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i was just wondering - whatever did happen with p's campaign, the one where he asked us all for bootlegs? is it possible that he was able to identify the source of said bootlegs as being somehow related to the site? in that case, it would seem a reasonable request that the site shut down and amend itself, if a known bootleg trader was surreptitiously advertising bootlegs or making the climate favorable for the trading of bootlegs. | |
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Bull said: Everlastingnow, What the hell does Brittany Spears have to do with this conversation? What a dumbass statement to make.When she puts 30 or 40 albums out then you come and talk to me, until then know what the hell your talking about.Those other artists haven't put out any music, and they haven't toured because know is interested. I'm not saying that I don't like them or their music, I'm just saying that there is not enough mainstream interest to get their careers moving again. Clintonmusic you are exactly correct in what you said.
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By the way, I couldn't help to notice that you are into lesbians. I have no problem with anyones sexual preference but I think that you need to open up your mind beyond someones sexual perference. Lesbians can't do any wrong in your mind. Just read your posts. Lesbians can make bad music also.Open your mind dude. What are you some womans flunky? | |
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Bull said: By the way, I couldn't help to notice that you are into lesbians. I have no problem with anyones sexual preference but I think that you need to open up your mind beyond someones sexual perference. Lesbians can't do any wrong in your mind. Just read your posts. Lesbians can make bad music also.Open your mind dude. What are you some womans flunky?
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Whatever flunky. | |
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Bull said: Whatever flunky.
Hmmm...likes to have the last word...reminds me of someone...  | |
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slm4m said: eleven said: slm4m said: SaintPauli said: seems like there is a legit complaint from prince about the site. although i do not agree with what he did. but it seems as though that site is set up for the sole purpose of bootleg trading, no?
YES -- your right, the site reads like its "telling" tht it does not know where the boots are. It is kind of assuming that most fans know where the boots are. Why would a site discuss boots and think they are not promoting the sale of illegal recordings, don't fool yourself they are promoting illegal material. That is just plain wrong. Aren't most boots just crappy audio anyway? Sheeet! What R U smoking??? If I were an artist and you stole recordings from me and then discussed them on a internet site -- I would be more than a little angry. It's illegal, no two ways about it. NO, Its not illegal to discuss ANYTHING! This website hasn't "stolen" anything. These recordings have been circulating for years, and all the website is doing is discussing what's in ciculation. That's like saying its illegal to discuss someone taping off a DVD. Technically speaking, it would be illegal to copy the content of the DVD, but that doesn't make it illegal to discuss the fact that it occurs. We don't live in Nazi Germany, so this site is free to discuss anything they want. 
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This whole thing is a real shame. For years, bootlegs just fueled my love for everything the man did. I would buy everything that came out officially, even if I already had a boot of it, so I never felt bad about it. In fact, many of his albums probably sold partially due to bootleg exposure (I remember a local DJ spinning songs from "The Gold Experience" in his club a full year before that album dropped, Everytime he played one of those songs people would ask him what album it was from, etc. Excitement was generated for an unreleased album by bootlegs.)
Hell, if it weren't for the whole "Black Album" thing, would "Lovesexy" gotten half the attention that it did? The publicity that generated for Prince was incredible. I wish P would realise that he only hurts himself with this. In fact, he should follow in the footsteps of The Grateful Dead, Phish and Dave Matthews and ENCOURAGE a fan trade system (all the aforementioned bands have shut down labels that profit from bootleg material, wanting their fans to have bootlegged material for free). I have no problem if P wants to shut down Sabotage or other bootleg labels, since they are 100% illegal, but instead he goes after fan sites. He's attacking the wrong people. Look, I haven't bought a boot in years, and everytime he has officially released previously bootlegged material I've snatched it up. I just think he's going after the wrong folks here, and ultimately he's further diminishing his fan base. By no means do I claim that I'll never buy a Prince album again (or any of that horse manure), but I am dissapointed that he is such a control freak he doesn't see he's only hurting those who have stuck with him all these years. _____ [This message was edited Tue Jan 20 5:34:20 PST 2004 by JediMaster]
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What gets me is this guy is going to sell all his Prince music on eBay.
If I was mad at Prince I would take a hammer to the cd's, tapes and albums. Now that would make me feel better. This only shows all this guy wants is to make some fast money. He know there are people out there that will pay alot of money for Prince stuff. He's not mad at Prince. He only wants to make some fast money. He knows that most of what he is going to sell on eBay will bring more then what he paid for it. I feel this guy was never a fan of Prince. He only wants to make some fast money off of the people that will buy anything about Prince. He know we will pay top dollar for Prince music. He is using us to make some fast money by claiming he is mad at Prince and his attorneys. Some people only want to make money. | |
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Bull said: You damn right
Thought so | |
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Abrazo said: chiltonmusic said: Okay this is what I do not understand. A few months ago Prince asked for all those who owned bootlegs to return them to him. Many of you (if not all) said hell no called him an asshole (much like today) etc. What I don't understand is if you all feel justified in those feeling about music that you purchased and did not create why would you think the creator of that music; who has every right to own and control the distribution of that music should feel any differently?
I mean does that make sense to the many of you who keep calling him an asshole for doing this? If Prince has a bug up his ass about WBR (the company that made him) over sharing ownership and making much money on the music. What makes you think that he would not go after any site that has to do with bootlegging? I know that his boots are legendary I really do. I also feel if he released some of this shit himself he would be swimming in the money. I just don't agree with the overall feeling people have that they are somehow being cheated because Prince is fighting for what is his by rights!! As I stated in the start of my response if you feel that the boots you own are yours then you have no leg to stand on being angry with Prince for wanting sole control and ownership of his music. Peace What you probably don't understand is that the facts seem to indicate that this site does not sell, distribute the music. It talks about it and provides information on what is out there, but not where and how to get it. This may be "encouragement" of buying bootlegs, but even if they encourage to buy bootlegs it is not copyright infrigement and therefore has got very little to do with infringing on Prince's intellectual property rights. Yes I understand that but I think that the fine line between talking and reviewing bootlegs and selling them is pretty small and if you are reviewing and talking about them you really are fueling the market for them and that is why Prince has gone after them. See to me it is about ownership if Prince created this music why is that we feel we (and by that I mean anyone of us have participated in the business of bootlegging) have a right to make money off it and not Prince? Also there is the fact that Prince is independent where as when he was with Warners he was not fitting the bill for everything and thus less obsessed with money matters and such. That is my theory anyway. I mean I think that at the end of the day people are more mad about the boot shutdown and that would naturally include sites that talk about bootlegging. This does not effect my feeling towards Prince at all. I do feel as I stated earlier that he should release this stuff himself and then his life would be much better (or at least mine would) Peace THE CARDINAL HAS SPOKEN!!! | |
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chiltonmusic said: Abrazo said: What you probably don't understand is that the facts seem to indicate that this site does not sell, distribute the music. It talks about it and provides information on what is out there, but not where and how to get it. This may be "encouragement" of buying bootlegs, but even if they encourage to buy bootlegs it is not copyright infrigement and therefore has got very little to do with infringing on Prince's intellectual property rights. Yes I understand that but I think that the fine line between talking and reviewing bootlegs and selling them is pretty small and if you are reviewing and talking about them you really are fueling the market for them and that is why Prince has gone after them. See to me it is about ownership if Prince created this music why is that we feel we (and by that I mean anyone of us have participated in the business of bootlegging) have a right to make money off it and not Prince? I don't think there is anyone saying here that they have "a right to make money off Prince's music"... So I don't see what you mean. And I don't see why Prince or anyone would assume such a thing when there are no facts pointing to it. It only looks as prejudice when you do so. So for Prince this may all be about ownership and the line between talking about bootlegs and selling them may be fine, but in the end it's simply not the same. Talking about something illegal doesn't make the talking illegal. That's logical and reasonable and bad luck for Prince if he simply doesn't like it. I do feel as I stated earlier that he should release this stuff himself and then his life would be much better (or at least mine would)
Peace His life would to. And there wouldn't be a need for all this destructive behaviour. You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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Everybody else seems to be directly aiming their comments at Prince (as if he's reading???), so i'll jump on the band wagon and do the same,(just for SHITS and GIGGLES!).
He's still the badest MUTHA to ever sing a note, or write a verse. As long as he keeps singing,writing and ESPECIALLY keeps touring (until last year, i waited 11 years to see him live,im now 21) who gives a damn what he does. Let the man be who he is, who are we to tell him how to handle his shit, after the hours of musical bliss he's given me, i'd have no RIGHT to judge. Let the man be, his given us so much, and im sure there's a hell of alot more to come. Let him exercise his freedom, his music is his do with as he pleases, i'm just greatfull to have had the chance to know it. And on the flip side of things, there are a damn lotta ya that need to check ure plus signs, too much negativity goin round Housequake_7@hotmail.com | |
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JonathanJazz said: Everybody else seems to be directly aiming their comments at Prince (as if he's reading???), so i'll jump on the band wagon and do the same,(just for SHITS and GIGGLES!).
He's still the badest MUTHA to ever sing a note, or write a verse. As long as he keeps singing,writing and ESPECIALLY keeps touring (until last year, i waited 11 years to see him live,im now 21) who gives a damn what he does. Let the man be who he is, who are we to tell him how to handle his shit, after the hours of musical bliss he's given me, i'd have no RIGHT to judge. Let the man be, his given us so much, and im sure there's a hell of alot more to come. Let him exercise his freedom, his music is his do with as he pleases, i'm just greatfull to have had the chance to know it. And on the flip side of things, there are a damn lotta ya that need to check ure plus signs, too much negativity goin round Housequake_7@hotmail.com Well said brutha!! That's what I'M talkin bout!! I said plenty in the "another boot site closed" section. Many ppl here on this site say they r "diehard fans"?? So how old are you all really? Close to Prince's age or older? As Jonathon said, he is 21; well I'm 22 and female...I'm sure a lot of u claimin to be diehard fans think that us young folk don't give a shit about Prince and only care about today's "pop music". Well u r soo wrong! Most of us young ppl seem to have MORE RESPECT and APPRECIATION for what PRINCE has done/does than those of you around my mother's age. That includes the young ppl in the music biz too, they know he is the reason for a lot of the music they do. You have become bitter and don't care anymore. Just b/c u can't have WHAT U WANT?! (Hmm, & "you're" the very ones sayin that's what Prince's problem is). He's not the one with the problem. He just wants to live his life; he's given u most of it already. Stop bein greedy! You just continue to take and want more from him, no wonder he tries to get away. I most certainly DON'T see Prince as "old man" as some of u say! He is so sexy! Prince is definitely one of the greatest there is, regardless whether u guys like "Rave.." or "Emancipation"; u name these albums several times throughout this site as though they r no good, i love them!What r u comparin them to?~Prince circa 1982?? WHY r u comparin at ALL? I happen to LOVE all the music he has done/does, which makes me a RARITY on this fan site it seems. He has an album for every one of my moods. That's one of my favorite things about his music. Even my 12 yr old sister likes Prince thanks to me. AND YES, I like N.E.W.S., i have it & it's my chill music, very relaxin or just when i wanna hear an instrumental. Stop bashin him and go do somethin with urselves, it's gotten old already! U do this EVERYDAY~COMPLAIN! And u'll do it again tomorrow, what a shame. Let's all celebrate Prince on this "fan community" like we r u should be doin!!! (I went to the club the other nite and told the dj "please play ANYTHING by Prince!" Then he put on EROTIC CITY!! I can't wait til YOU (Prince) come to Houston, TX~we love u.) "I LOVE U PRINCE!!" ~*~*~ | |
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Abrazo said: chiltonmusic said: Abrazo said: What you probably don't understand is that the facts seem to indicate that this site does not sell, distribute the music. It talks about it and provides information on what is out there, but not where and how to get it. This may be "encouragement" of buying bootlegs, but even if they encourage to buy bootlegs it is not copyright infrigement and therefore has got very little to do with infringing on Prince's intellectual property rights. Yes I understand that but I think that the fine line between talking and reviewing bootlegs and selling them is pretty small and if you are reviewing and talking about them you really are fueling the market for them and that is why Prince has gone after them. See to me it is about ownership if Prince created this music why is that we feel we (and by that I mean anyone of us have participated in the business of bootlegging) have a right to make money off it and not Prince? I don't think there is anyone saying here that they have "a right to make money off Prince's music"... So I don't see what you mean. And I don't see why Prince or anyone would assume such a thing when there are no facts pointing to it. It only looks as prejudice when you do so. So for Prince this may all be about ownership and the line between talking about bootlegs and selling them may be fine, but in the end it's simply not the same. Talking about something illegal doesn't make the talking illegal. That's logical and reasonable and bad luck for Prince if he simply doesn't like it. I do feel as I stated earlier that he should release this stuff himself and then his life would be much better (or at least mine would)
Peace His life would to. And there wouldn't be a need for all this destructive behaviour. THE CARDINAL HAS SPOKEN!!! | |
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Abrazo said: chiltonmusic said: Abrazo said: What you probably don't understand is that the facts seem to indicate that this site does not sell, distribute the music. It talks about it and provides information on what is out there, but not where and how to get it. This may be "encouragement" of buying bootlegs, but even if they encourage to buy bootlegs it is not copyright infrigement and therefore has got very little to do with infringing on Prince's intellectual property rights. Yes I understand that but I think that the fine line between talking and reviewing bootlegs and selling them is pretty small and if you are reviewing and talking about them you really are fueling the market for them and that is why Prince has gone after them. See to me it is about ownership if Prince created this music why is that we feel we (and by that I mean anyone of us have participated in the business of bootlegging) have a right to make money off it and not Prince? I don't think there is anyone saying here that they have "a right to make money off Prince's music"... So I don't see what you mean. And I don't see why Prince or anyone would assume such a thing when there are no facts pointing to it. It only looks as prejudice when you do so. So for Prince this may all be about ownership and the line between talking about bootlegs and selling them may be fine, but in the end it's simply not the same. Talking about something illegal doesn't make the talking illegal. That's logical and reasonable and bad luck for Prince if he simply doesn't like it. I do feel as I stated earlier that he should release this stuff himself and then his life would be much better (or at least mine would)
Peace His life would to. And there wouldn't be a need for all this destructive behaviour. THE CARDINAL HAS SPOKEN!!! | |
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Abrazo said: chiltonmusic said: Abrazo said: What you probably don't understand is that the facts seem to indicate that this site does not sell, distribute the music. It talks about it and provides information on what is out there, but not where and how to get it. This may be "encouragement" of buying bootlegs, but even if they encourage to buy bootlegs it is not copyright infrigement and therefore has got very little to do with infringing on Prince's intellectual property rights. Yes I understand that but I think that the fine line between talking and reviewing bootlegs and selling them is pretty small and if you are reviewing and talking about them you really are fueling the market for them and that is why Prince has gone after them. See to me it is about ownership if Prince created this music why is that we feel we (and by that I mean anyone of us have participated in the business of bootlegging) have a right to make money off it and not Prince? I don't think there is anyone saying here that they have "a right to make money off Prince's music"... So I don't see what you mean. And I don't see why Prince or anyone would assume such a thing when there are no facts pointing to it. It only looks as prejudice when you do so. So for Prince this may all be about ownership and the line between talking about bootlegs and selling them may be fine, but in the end it's simply not the same. Talking about something illegal doesn't make the talking illegal. That's logical and reasonable and bad luck for Prince if he simply doesn't like it. Yes but by defending the bootsites or the boot review sites you are saying that someone has a right to illeagaly make money on Prince music. There is nothing prejudiced about that even remotely it is just a fact. I mean do you really not see that? Sure this site did not sell bootlegs but it did participate in the discussion and that in and of it self pointed people in that direction or else Prince would not have a leg to stand on as far as the legal action is concerned Peace I do feel as I stated earlier that he should release this stuff himself and then his life would be much better (or at least mine would)
Peace His life would to. And there wouldn't be a need for all this destructive behaviour. THE CARDINAL HAS SPOKEN!!! | |
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It doesn't matter that what the site was doing was legal. I don't care about the freedom of speech rant. Reviewing bootlegs is promoting the sale and trade of them. I don't believe he is punishing anyone. Bootlegging is not an act of appreciation and it isn't a prove that someone is a true fan. It is profiting from someone's artistic work. | |
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mochalox said: bkw said: I must admit that i laugh when people claim this is the last straw and they will not even see a Prince concert if he comes to their town. What a croc of shit! You'll be there and you know it.
When he comes to your town you will be there. Dont fucking kid yourselves!! cosign "Pedro offers you his protection." | |
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