PrimordialOoze said:

I like your style... there's a lot of logic and minimal gossip.

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metalorange said:

If Im not mistaken wasnt his last chart-topper "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World"??? Someone refresh my memory... Didnt Prince release that on indie Bellmark Records before WB shipped Gold Experience. Whatever the promotion was, it definitely worked and I always wondered why he didn't follow that single up with a similar marketing tactic.

npgmc U TELL US !!

PP said this is a rumor ... not true !!!

found1 said:

Here what the PPS website looked like back in '96, including rates:

http://www2.bitstream.net...index.html

Also gives you a nice overview of the available equipment, for all you tech heads

Regards,

Frank
[This message was edited Thu Jan 15 13:30:43 PST 2004 by Frank]

Frank said:

Thank for that link Fred.

Why wouldnt he open that studio to the public? He's got all that equipment.

Is that equipment now out of date? do you techy types know?

DredScott said:

Incorrect on so many levels. Prince could not use any WB company to market TMBGITW, which was a one-off independent release allowed by WB. TGE was released as part of a deal a year later, on NPG/WB.

DredScott said:

Part of the promotion was Prince buying up large quantities of the single to ensure it charted.

bkw said:

The problem is that he either needs to run PP as a real studio and thus needs to invest in material, personnel, promotion, etc. or keep it closed. You can't do this on and off, because it just wouldn't work.

And as anyone can see: Prince simply doesn't invest in his business, but instead relies on companies or people that will do the work for free or cheap (i.e. association with famous pop star). That's why the ONA DVD sucks, that's why NPGMC has been a clueless operation for three years runnign, that's why Prince essentially never has had a decent official website, etc.

And Bart thats why your corny ass is still coming to this sight everyday.What a dickwad you are.What kind of bussiness are you running. Thats what I thought.The bussiness of running your mouth.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion about Prince. It' called 'freedom of speech' until the government tries to wretch it away like they're slowly doing by letting Rosa Parks sue Outkast over lyrics in a song.

Image the day Prince decides he wants to sue some posters on Prince.org because of what they wrote about one of his songs not measuring up to the talent he exuded 20 years ago. Wasn't everyone on Prince's behind when he tried to shut down web sites and stop books being written about his bookkeeping tours? The day is coming so 'free speech it up, people.'

XxAxX said:

screw that, i know that cat is itchin for some extra money on the side from friday night stints!

(albert brown/m.c. gusto from cb4 voice)...he neeeds us, baby!!!

BartVanHemelen said:

Crap on Prince's spotty business practices all you want Bart, but you're a little overly-pessimistic on this one. I've never heard about "Prince buying up large quantities of the single to ensure it charted," and even if he did the song was a legitimate hit in its own right. If he went out and bought a lot of the singles it would have peaked quickly and disappeared quickly from the charts. Instead, it topped Radio & Records Pop Airplay chart for two weeks, a chart which doesn't factor in ANY kind of sales. On Billboard, it reached no.3 on the Hot 100 chart, and no.5 on the Hot 100 Airplay chart (which is factored into the overall Hot 100). It spent 26 weeks on Billboard's chart, and was certified gold. If Prince bought 100,000 copies himself the single still sold over 500,000 and was one of the top-rated songs at radio in 1994. Yes, it was promoted heavily, and he worked that song like he's worked few others. But he did the same thing for "Rave..." and it tanked. Despite Clear Channel's best efforts, you really can't MAKE the public like a song they just don't care for. For whatever reasons, "TMBGITW" clicked with the public and was unquestionably a major hit single. And to DredScott, I don't know if you remember, but Prince did try a follow-up with "Love Sign." Warner only agreed to the one-off single of "TMBGITW," and they pulled a cease-and-desist on "Love Sign" before the commercial single could be released. It reached no.72 on the pop airplay chart before promotion was stopped by WB. I don't think it would have been as big a hit as "TMBGITW," but it probably would've done alright on the charts. Warner Bros. was also gearing up for the release of "Letitgo" as the first single from 'Come," and likely didn't want a new Prince single competing with a vault track he refused to promote. Nonetheless, "Letitgo" reached no.31 on the pop chart and no.10 on the R&B survey, one of his last real "hits."

Oh, and I don't see why you said DredScott was "Incorrect on so many levels" in regards to his first statement.
DredScott said:

If Im not mistaken wasnt his last chart-topper "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World"??? Someone refresh my memory...

Yes, it WAS his last chart-topper. Not on Billboard, but it was his last no. 1 on R&R and it was, amazingly, his ONLY number one hit in Britain. I prefer Billboard as the "chart-authority," but it's certainly fair to call "TMBGITW" his "last chart-topper."

The second part:
Didnt Prince release that on indie Bellmark Records before WB shipped Gold Experience.


Prince DID release "TMBGITW" on indie Bellmark before WB shipped 'The Gold Experience.' "Beautiful Girl..." was issued on Bellmark in February, 1994. WB released 'Gold' in October of 1995. I don't know if you assumed DredScott was saying WB helped market "TMBGITW" as part of 'Gold,' but re-read his statement. There is nothing inaccurate about it.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

well, i miss that cat. i'm just afraid he got sick and tired of us or something. why else would he just . . . ... stop jammin?

Now I totally get it. On my copy of 'Musicology' Prince thanks Debora. It says on the thank u's: Deb, thank u 4 making me again.

Nothing but the fatness...

June 8, 2004

Come.

BartVanHemelen said:

Thanks Bart. I do believe you are right.

renfield said:

thanks for the details renfield...

oh, how i long for that GET WILD era.

Before anyone should believe or even discuss this as remotely true, I suggest you consider that this was posted by a 17 year old fan, and her first post at that.

Prince is so un-interesting these days who even knew the doors were closed?? Plus in the real world.. Prince has to figure out how to sell himself again before he can put any more puppets on the shelf. Still the idea of Prince locked in a studio with an 18 year old girl sounds alot more healthier than the post-mayte muppets he's around now.

Spanky said:

And 4 me on my copy of "Musicology" Prince no thanks Spanky.It says on the no thank u's:Spanky SH.T UP 4 not making me again!

NightGod said:

Bull said:

renfield said:

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Thanks Renfield. It is about time someone put Bart in is place. The whole Prince brought copies himself line is the biggest bunch of crap he has every posted on this site.

BartVanHemelen said:

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Perhaps he does not have the money to invest.

PrimordialOoze said:

it's debby, actually.

suomynona said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

doesn't it look like she signed it to PRN?

suomynona said:

ooh, it does...oh me oh my.

(ricky ricardo voice) princey, you gotta lotta 'splainin to do!!!

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

someone needs to edit that photo and put one of those lame moonwraps on her ear or something...

renfield said:

There's more than this single reason (promoting it via the Miss USA pageant also helped) but it wasn't really taken seriosuly until it "started to sell". Then suddenly radio took notice, etc. It's a great song, which I love, BTW.

renfield said:

Because it was crap.

renfield said:

That might have been a reason, but a more important one was that the release simply wasn't legit. I wouldn't be surprised if WB's execs had had enough of his crap and told their lawyers to send Prince a stern letter telling him to quit or face a multi-million dollar lawsuit.

renfield said:

Yes there is. The orginal comment made it seem the two releases were closely tied together, whereas they're almost EIGHTTEEN MONTHS APART. Those of you that weren't in a coma in 1994/95 might remember the "release date: never" announcements regarding TGE. Inbetween TMBGITW and TGE there are numerous Prince-related releases and plenty of interviews.