Printable Sorry gypsyfire but the artists u mention here i personally dont consider as "so good", as u say
(except for Mr. Hendrix of course, maybe also Zappa - but the rest of your list - please, come on! Please Dont even mention them in comparsion to Mr. P. i personally think that the commercial succesfull albums in the 80`s are Princes best works - not the "super-trouper-independent releases" from the 90´s like Kamasutra, The Truth, etc...[/quote] >>> ummm, excuse me but why would Prince 1) write the name "Joni" on the cover of Controversy, 2) Cover her song " A Case of You" like a million times, and 3) Ask if he could write a song for her ( at which she replied "no thanks")...if she wasn't great! Her album "Blue" is one of my top 3 favorite albums of ALL TIME, and I'm not into folk music! | |
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Its a shame when a 45 year old musical genius(or close to it) still feels the need to "go commercial". How about having some integrity.Thank God Joni Mitchell doesn't think that way. You still got that trashy npgmc, don't you? I am not an npgmc member,what  I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos | |
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NPD313 said: WHO CARES!!! If he's 45 or 68...If Prince wants a shot at the commercial world , he's got the RIGHT to do so...after all he was commercial from 1982 til 1994 and 1996 again!
SO LEAVE HIM THE BLEEP ALONE! Mainstream Prince is what everyone knows him for anyways! Wrong...if Parade,SOTT & Lovesexy were so commercial,they would have sold more copies when they were first released,a lot of people who were ga-ga with P in 1984(PR period) had already deserted him by the time Parade came out. I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos | |
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Soulstar77A said: gypsyfire said: cloud9mission said: muirdo said: 
it says Prince is going to try and go commercial again. I hope so...one last stab at least!!!  it looks like it Its a shame when a 45 year old musical genius(or close to it) still feels the need to "go commercial". How about having some integrity.Thank God Joni Mitchell doesn't think that way. I know this is going to make me sound like a music snob,but I'm going to guess the reason you want P to go commercial,is because you only listen to what's popular,and if that's the case,then you are going to miss some mind-blowing,thought-provoking music by only liking popular,commercial,made for the masses music. These following artists weren't or aren't interested in being "commercial" and that's probably why they're so good. Steely Dan Tim Buckley Frank Zappa Laura Nyro Rickie Lee Jones Kate Bush Tori Amos Joni Mitchell Most jazz musicians Jimi Hendrix(I don't think a guy who would make an album like Electric Ladyland is all about trying to be Mr.Popularity) And there's a lot more... You want your favorite musicians putting all their focus on being commercial or would you rather they be true to themselves and create some ART that will stand the test of time,& challenge you either musically or lyrically(or both)? Sorry gypsyfire but the artists u mention here i personally dont consider as "so good", as u say (except for Mr. Hendrix of course, maybe also Zappa - but the rest of your list - please, come on! Please Dont even mention them in comparsion to Mr. P. i personally think that the commercial succesfull albums in the 80`s are Princes best works - not the "super-trouper-independent releases" from the 90´s like Kamasutra, The Truth, etc... Just because you haven't bothered to listen to certain artists,doesn't mean they're not good. And that list wasn't about comparisons,it was about showing you that there are musicians who have the courage to do the music they want and not what they think the masses want them to do. I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos | |
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As usual,you missed my point entirely.
The point is when you guys say things like I hope P does go commercial,its seems to me as if you're suggesting that anything that ISN'T commercial is not worth listening to and that anything that's a little too sophisicated is too intimdiating for you to handle. And therefore everything should be radio-friendly,and considering the kind of stuff that's played on the radio these days,that's not a good thing. I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos | |
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When I wish Prince to go commercial, I don't wish for him to sellout. I think what we'd all like to see is him push an album commercially. I'd like to see him make a CD his way, with the music he wants, but shoot videos, promotional tour, hit leno, Letterman, BET, MTV, etc... Don't change the music to sell records, but try to make sure people at least know you released a record. MAKE A RECORD AND SELL IT. To me, there is nothing wrong with that.
And if you think it's bad if he "tries to make a commercial album", you should think about how he does make a living: exploiting his way-too-loyal fanbase. We'd buy anything he put out, and he knows it. We allow him to keep doing whatever he wants. I'd love it if someone else supported him for awhile! | |
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great point bombpop. u hit the nail on the head. | |
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chaz said: Sorry gypsyfire but the artists u mention here i personally dont consider as "so good", as u say
(except for Mr. Hendrix of course, maybe also Zappa - but the rest of your list - please, come on! Please Dont even mention them in comparsion to Mr. P. - MAYBE also Zappa??? Zappa was a true genius, versatile composer, great guitar player and very prolific. If he is not ´so good´ who is? i personally think that the commercial succesfull albums in the 80`s are Princes best works - not the "super-trouper-independent releases" from the 90´s like Kamasutra, The Truth, etc... - Well, in the 80s Prince´s music was fresh, because he was always experimenting new sounds. The commercial success was just a consequence of it. Today, it is much harder for him to get this success. First, because record companies wouldnt be interested in promoting someone who could break the CONtract some years later. Second: age matters! Please dont mention Santana...he is just a sidekick of the special guests. I saw a video where he is in the middle of several kids in a park...embarassing to see him as a sidekick of someone who doesnt have 1/3 of his talent. Other artists like Whitney Houston and Madonna are very successful commercially because they hire powerful DJs to help them...something that Prince wouldn´t probably do. I have nothing against commercial Prince (Gett Off put him in the top of charts, and I love this song) as long as he doesn´t make his music worse. |
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bombpop said: When I wish Prince to go commercial, I don't wish for him to sellout. I think what we'd all like to see is him push an album commercially. I'd like to see him make a CD his way, with the music he wants, but shoot videos, promotional tour, hit leno, Letterman, BET, MTV, etc... Don't change the music to sell records, but try to make sure people at least know you released a record. MAKE A RECORD AND SELL IT. To me, there is nothing wrong with that.
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GustavoRibas said: bombpop said: When I wish Prince to go commercial, I don't wish for him to sellout. I think what we'd all like to see is him push an album commercially. I'd like to see him make a CD his way, with the music he wants, but shoot videos, promotional tour, hit leno, Letterman, BET, MTV, etc... Don't change the music to sell records, but try to make sure people at least know you released a record. MAKE A RECORD AND SELL IT. To me, there is nothing wrong with that.
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Soulstar77A said: gypsyfire said: cloud9mission said: muirdo said:
it says Prince is going to try and go commercial again. I hope so...one last stab at least!!! it looks like it Its a shame when a 45 year old musical genius(or close to it) still feels the need to "go commercial". How about having some integrity.Thank God Joni Mitchell doesn't think that way. I know this is going to make me sound like a music snob,but I'm going to guess the reason you want P to go commercial,is because you only listen to what's popular,and if that's the case,then you are going to miss some mind-blowing,thought-provoking music by only liking popular,commercial,made for the masses music. These following artists weren't or aren't interested in being "commercial" and that's probably why they're so good. Steely Dan Tim Buckley Frank Zappa Laura Nyro Rickie Lee Jones Kate Bush Tori Amos Joni Mitchell Most jazz musicians Jimi Hendrix(I don't think a guy who would make an album like Electric Ladyland is all about trying to be Mr.Popularity) And there's a lot more... You want your favorite musicians putting all their focus on being commercial or would you rather they be true to themselves and create some ART that will stand the test of time,& challenge you either musically or lyrically(or both)? Sorry gypsyfire but the artists u mention here i personally dont consider as "so good", as u say (except for Mr. Hendrix of course, maybe also Zappa - but the rest of your list - please, come on! Please Dont even mention them in comparsion to Mr. P. i personally think that the commercial succesfull albums in the 80`s are Princes best works - not the "super-trouper-independent releases" from the 90´s like Kamasutra, The Truth, etc... "please don't even mention them in comparison to Mr.P"?What!???Sorry,but I couldn't let this go,cause I hope you're not trying to suggest that some other people on this list aren't as good as P...obviously,you've never listened to them.Steely Dan have made some of the best music EVER,the fact that they're not as prolific as P shouldn't matter..music existed before P got a record deal,you know,and these guys were making EXTRAORDINARY records before anybody heard of Prince.Matter of fact,they never made a mediocre record,which is more than I can say for some people. And Laura Nyro was making records in the 60s,that were just as good as any of P's best records...groundbreaking,innovative,lyrically,harmonically, and rhythmically complex masterpieces that influenced Todd Rundgren,Joni,and sooo many artists that have come AFTER her. http://www.lauranyro.net I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos | |
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