Printable DavidEye said: Wow,what an interesting discussion.I'll just sit back and let y'all carry on...
I'm just gonna sit on the couch next to David...:LOL: "A Man Can't Ride Your Back Unless It's Bent" MLK 4/3/68 | |
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DAV123 said: DavidEye said: Wow,what an interesting discussion.I'll just sit back and let y'all carry on...
I'm just gonna sit on the couch next to David...:LOL: I'll start making some popcorn  | |
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AlexHahn said: I had to respond to this, because I love Chuck D. and Public Enemy. Although his comment was critical, I'm still pleased that he mentioned my book. I hope he reads it. The book esteems him highly, and credits Public Enemy with being at the forefront of the movement that made rap into a vital musical force.
I think if Chuck reads even parts of the book, he'll see that in arguing Prince has "fallen," in a manner of speaking, I'm certainly not comparing him to Rod Stewart or even Mick Jagger. I'm holding him to the standard of Miles Davis, Duke Ellington, John Lennon, and Jimi Hendrix, because his talent is that sphere. The title of the book is what it is, but the book itself (I hope) conveys more subtlety and nuance than the phrase that makes up the title. Also, I think Chuck might agree somewhat with the point that Prince was not successful in integrating rap into his own music in the early 1990s, and that he did so primarily for commercial, not artistic reasons. As discussed in the book, Prince didn't even like rap music and began incorporating it mainly to sell records. And he chose weak-ass rappers. If Prince had worked with Chuck D., rather than T.C. Ellis and Tony Mosley in the early 1990s, I would have been delighted. Instead, Prince waited until Rave to work with Chuck D. I remember getting goosebumps the first time I heard "Fight the Power" and especially the line about Elvis. Rock on, Chuck! Well I bought your book. I read it all. And I've got to say I could hardly read more than 4 pages every night before falling asleep. It's a shame I can't sue you to get my money back for your piece of crap. Not only you have no talent as a writer, but I put your book at the same level as tabloids work. The only people you managed to find to talk about Prince are not relevant and/or have nothing interesting to say. You do not explore Prince music whatsoever but choose to pick stories here and there told by the cousin of the sister of the brother of the driver who once worked for Prince. Moreover how come you ignore the ONA tour which was a fantastic success artistically speaking as well as the Rainbow Children cd that is one of his best cds to date. For having been again one yard away from the man at the Bataclan back in october, let me tell you something...if you call that a fall then what must be a rise for you. Prince was simply at his best. I know there has been shitty stuff along the way about Prince music (I'm talking music here since I don't think I have the right to judge someone else lifestyle or believes...I never hear of Prince smashing a hotel bedroom or screwing 13 years old in the back of his car btw) but who can stay at the same level for more than 20 years. At least now he is back to his best and sorry I don't give a damn if his music is not played by radio stations. Now Chuck D's racial comment is really stupid and has nothing to do with what is said in the book since I don't believe you are racist. Again please do not buy this book. It's a complete uninteresting lame piece of mierda. [This message was edited Mon May 12 15:03:12 PDT 2003 by VINCENT] | |
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Oh my, Abrazo, you are back.
All I can say is this
Wait one moment, I got one more thing to say. I think Prince really wants to do AND go where his artistic journey takes him, AND God, etc. etc. etc. 
YOU KNOW THAT'S WHAT TRUE ARTISTS DO! and that's what makes them unique. MUCH LOVE, JOY AND PEACE [This message was edited Mon May 12 15:27:51 PDT 2003 by naturegirl] | |
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Tom said: Thats the thing..when its done its mostly unconscious. assuming that i unconciously and uncontrollably hate and discriminate "blacks' is a bit harsh now isnt it?
The response was in general to the point that folks dont intend to do bad things or do them consciously because you brought it up about yourself. And I replied that while you say you do not consciously discriminate or what have you, that nmany times when people do, they dont realize they are doing it etc. are you exempt from this?
Why yes..of course I am
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Bart Van Dork said:
"LOL. Eminem's latest had a mere TWO tracks by Dre. Hell, Eminem WROTE some of Dre's raps in the past." Read about it b4 U B about it, homie. Of course Em's latest album had more imput than his 1st because he had 2 prove 2 be a hitmaker. Dre's production on his 1st album put him on the map. Hell, Dre signing Em 2 his Aftermath label says my point exactly. Real Hip Hop artists and producers are keeping the art form "black" as opposed 2 what happened 2 Rock and Roll. Dre knew that signing a talented white rapper would be a goldmine if Dre called the shots. It is a proven fact that close to 80 percent of Hip Hop is bought by white suburban kids. U think Dre did not know this? Sounds like the roles R being reversed since them days of Rock and Roll when the white suits were making money off of Elvis and the Beatles. Black artists helped build their career in the beginning. Oh ya, they grew out of it and did their own thing later, but early white Rock and Roll artists owe their careers 2 James Brown, Sam Cooke, Little Richard and others. Hip Hop can't be stolen, but it can be controled and marketed, which is the frustrating thing. Which is why artists like Prince need 2 control their own thing. Bart Van Dork also said: "Prince has courted major labels for years after becoming independent. Emancipation? On EMI. NPS/GCS2000/Chaka's album? ALL on BMG. Rave? Arista/BMG (after shopping it around to all labels). He was shopping High around to major labels. He'd been talking with WB to release a 2-CD Greatest Hits. And if he wasn't doing that, he was licensing his stuff to stupid labels that released his stuff with extra tracks on them by lame gangsta rappers." These were distribution deals, not full fledged major label deals. The only thing they handled is getting the albums 2 the retailers. AlexHahn writes: "I think Chuck might agree somewhat with the point that Prince was not successful in integrating rap into his own music in the early 1990s, and that he did so primarily for commercial, not artistic reasons. As discussed in the book, Prince didn't even like rap music and began incorporating it mainly to sell records. And he chose weak-ass rappers. If Prince had worked with Chuck D., rather than T.C. Ellis and Tony Mosley in the early 1990s, I would have been delighted. Instead, Prince waited until Rave to work with Chuck D." Even the author acknowleged that Prince's incorporation of rap and even sampling in2 his music was an attempt 2 show that this type of music was not just a passing fad, but in fact revolutionary. Whether it was being a control freak, or being isolated in Minneapolis kept him from using real rappers, but we still love "Gett Off"! And by the way, Bart, The Family was way more funky than Duran Duran. Not a calculated move at all, homie. Funk cannot be sold. GEMINEYE | |
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Tom said: laurarichardson said: Tom said: NPGFlav said: In his latest (May 01) somewhat monthly "TERRORDOME" writings at PUBLIC ENEMY´S official site, CHUCK D amongst other things comments on books he recently bought. Amongst the latest is Alex Hahn´s "POSSESSED; The Rise And Fall Of Prince"
Apparently, just as myself he doesn´t quite agree with the subtitle. This is what he has to say: "4. POSSESSED; The Rise And Fall Of Prince..I don’t understand the stupid sub-title and I still don’t see how Prince fell when he calls his own shots on creativity. Why do black artists get tagged with this and how the hell does ROD STEWART still have juice?" Check out the TERRORDOME at http://www.publicenemy.co...ordome.php Extremely interesting reading on the hip-hop community, music and politics. PEACE David, Sweden Oh come on. Prince has fallen out of the limelight and the interest of people. Noone is stopping any one of you from going down to the stores and buying his albums. We're not drones at the mercy of a big record label. We all know who Prince is. There doesn't need to be some big mega advertising campaign in order to get people to like his music. Thats for no-talent stars like miss Spears. The music should speak for itself and attract the attention of listeners. Shit like NewPowerSoul, Chaos & Disorder, etc, did nothing to garner any merit or attention. PEOPLE, just like you and me, lost interest in his music. And you can't really blame them because quite a bit of it just flat out sucked ass over the past 10 years. Prince HAS fallen out of the superstar status he once had. Who knows, he may be more than happy with that. But if someone wants to comment on his career and write a book, so be it. What he is saying in the book isn't any worse than the BS gossip that goes on here, so why throw stones? I grew up on Public Enemy and love Chuck D. But sometimes he can be the kind of person that would boycott Breyers because theres no chocolate in their vanilla ice cream. [This message was edited Sun May 11 10:41:00 PDT 2003 by Tom] Well I hate to tell you this Tom but, most people are drones.Do you have any idea how much money the music industry spends on paying radio stations to play music. Do you have any idea how much they spend buying awards. Most people are not adventous enought to go out and find the good music that is out there. They just accept the crap the music industry shoves down their thoarts. If you really think everything Prince has done over the last few years is crap then you must not like RnB music. Because some of it was better than a lot of the crap on the radio. 1.) Prince isn't just an R&B artist, he just gets shevlved there in the record stores and in some peoples minds. 2.) Because I don't like his output from the past 10 years as a whole, exluding some tracks here and there, please don't make a hasty generalization that I hate R&B because you're wrong. --- Well most of the stuff he has done has been RnB over the last ten years. You did say you did not like any of it. | |
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Why doesn't Alex Hahn acknowledge his title is uninspired as well as lacking in scope? If Prince is to be compared to Duke Ellington, then the author should realize it's short-sighted to pick a title that appears to bury the career of a genius in his 40s. [This message was edited Mon May 12 16:10:23 PDT 2003 by Aerogram] | |
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divo02 said: laurarichardson said: Joshy84au said: divo02 said: laurarichardson said: divo02 said: Isn't the author, in part, talking about Prince's fall from fame & mainstream radio? If so, that isn't really debatable.
I'm sure I'll get a lecture from some orger, but I think it's stupid for Chuck to make a racial issue out of this...especially when Prince is well-off financially. BTW, please educate me on how Rod Stewart still has juice.  Forgive me for not having done a google search on him lately.--- He is not making it a racial issue. It is a racial issue. Rod Stewart, Elton John, and about a dozen other white rock groups do not sell a lot of records these days or get on the radio. Yet they always have a recording contract and know one in the press every claims they have fallen. No one in the history of popular music has continued to sell records and stay on top for 20 or 30 years but, when Prince does not reach this ridiculous goal he has fallen. The only good thing is that he still has money as a lot of other black stars usually live in poverty after their fame has gone. You so conveniently forget to mention that Prince alienated the record industry by writing "slave" on his face only years after having mainstream appeal. Prince has nobody to blame but Prince himself for falling out of the graces of mainstream radio. And before you say he doesn't care...don't forget his attempt at a comeback with Rave. Prince cares. But whatever makes you feel better I guess.  --- I think everyone on the org knows that Prince alienated the industry. So what. It is a f-ked industry that needed to have someone speak out. The industry as gotten over the slave comments and the industry will get over the decline in record sells that the industry caused and life will go on. In addition, while the slave thing hurt Prince. I will repeat this little fact that you ignored. No one in the history of popular music has every maintain a 20 year history of selling millions of records continually. All artist see a drop in sales as time goes on. Prince is not any different then anyone else in the industry. Please realize that because you do not agree with my theory it does not make my theory untrue. I also would like to point out that when Clive Davis gave Prince a big fat advance for RAVE I think Clive was expecting a commercially viable recording. Prince was doing what he was paid to do for once. I do not understand why you or anyone else would have a problem with that. We all have jobs and are paid a salary with the expectation that we will be productive. I never said I thought artists could be popular forever. Your right...whether your black or white...no artist can maintain that level. (With few exceptions). I never disputed that. Also, I have no problem with Prince doing what he was paid for. My point is just that Prince will act like he doesn't want commercial appeal and bash the industry but then attempt to make a commercially viable recording. Which is it then? Then of course he blames the record company for not promoting it correctly. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't care if Prince NEVER tried to get mainstream attention again. Keep on putting on TRC type records (even with it's racial undertones that Chuck D. doesn't point out) and don't fuck with radio. Hopefully, he's at that point. --- I think he was bashing Warner Brothers more so than the entire industry. He was just pissed at Warners and was venting. I think he would like to be on a major label but, he wants to do what he wants and that is going to be next to impossible to pull off with industry in the shape that it is in now. | |
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BartVanHemelen said: NPGFlav said: In his latest (May 01) somewhat monthly "TERRORDOME" writings at PUBLIC ENEMY´S official site, CHUCK D amongst other things comments on books he recently bought.
"4. POSSESSED; The Rise And Fall Of Prince..I don’t understand the stupid sub-title and I still don’t see how Prince fell when he calls his own shots on creativity. Why do black artists get tagged with this and how the hell does ROD STEWART still have juice?" Prince called his own shots on Rave? Sure, Chuck, whatever gets you through the day. As for Rod: why don't you ask the hugely overrated Clive Davis, who signed him to his label? Oh, and if a tree falls in the forest and there is nobody around, does it make a sound? Let's see how Prince likes being an independent artist in five years time when the money really runs out, when his fanbase shrinks even more, when his records don't even get mentioned in the press, etc. --- Prince produced the CD and wrote the songs so he called some shots. Clive could have had producers and songwriters brought in. | |
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Aerogram said: Why doesn't Alex Hahn acknowledge his title is uninspired as well as lacking in scope?
Because he is a lawyer. "Climb in my fur." | |
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BartVanHemelen said: gemineye69 said: Prince hated rap music when it was making moves back in the mid 80's because of it's lack of medley and musicianship, but even he knew that the power and rawness of it would take over the industry.
Utter BS. gemineye69 said: The only exception is Hip Hop can't be "white-washed" like what Elvis, the Rolling Stones and the Beatles did. All of these groups have taken from the originals of Rock and Roll, and have even acknowledged this. Now you have Eminem, but the roles are reversed. Dre calls the shots and keeps it raw, and this is the reason why he's one of the only white rappers with longevity.
LOL. Eminem's latest had a mere TWO tracks by Dre. Hell, Eminem WROTE some of Dre's raps in the past. gemineye69 said: Prince gave Clive Davis the opportunity 2 promote "Rave" as a test, 2 see if the record business can work for Prince. The test failed. That album is just as good as any out there 2day, but it was obviously not a priority for Arista. Why couldn't the have put out "So Far So Pleased" with Gwen? That is a song screaming 4 radio airplay and MTV rotation.
How dumb can people be? Why would Arista bother promoting an album they didn't care about, especially since there was no guarantee that Prince's next album would be on their label if this one was a success? Arista/BMG knew perfectly well Rave would bomb, and they were not gonna wast too much money and time on an ungrateful f*ck of an artist who spent the best part fo the 1990s backstabbing the most artist-friendly major label there was after they'd bankrolled his career for years and had allowed him to waste millions of their money of ridiculous stuff like Carmen Electra. gemineye69 said: If "The Rainbow Children" had the same promotional team and recording deal as Bruce Springsteen's latest album, I'll bet U it would have sold around the same and garnered as much attention.
No it wouldn't. gemineye69 said: Prince predicted the state of recording industry as we know it now, which is in a bad shape.
BS. Prince has courted major labels for years after becoming independent. Emancipation? On EMI. NPS/GCS2000/Chaka's album? ALL on BMG. Rave? Arista/BMG (after shopping it around to all labels). He was shopping High around to major labels. He'd been talking with WB to release a 2-CD Greatest Hits. And if he wasn't doing that, he was licensing his stuff to stupid labels that released his stuff with extra tracks on them by lame gangsta rappers. gemineye69 said: They don't breed artists, they breed "hit makers" that lose appeal after the same formula has grown tired and the public moves on 2 something new.
In the early 1990s, that's EXACTLY what Prince was trying to do. Ask Jill Jones about what happened to her second album, look at Carmen Electra, etc. "The Family" was a great album, but don't forget that it was a calculated attempt at going after "the Duran Duran money". --- "How dumb can people be? Why would Arista bother promoting an album they didn't care about, especially since there was no guarantee that Prince's next album would be on their label if this one was a success? Arista/BMG knew perfectly well Rave would bomb, and they were not gonna wast too much money and time on an ungrateful f*ck of an artist who spent the best part fo the 1990s backstabbing the most artist-friendly major label there was after they'd bankrolled his career for years and had allowed him to waste millions of their money of ridiculous stuff like Carmen Electra.' --- Clive Davis was fired from his job while he was promoting RAVE that is the reason the record was a bomb. I by no means think the record would have sold 10 million copies but he could have sold a few million. You keep calling Warner Brothers the great artist friendly label. They were artist friendly until the Time/Warner merger. Then the company was not so friendly anymore. If Arista knew that RAVE would bomb why on God's green earth would they give Prince 11 million dollar advance. By the why the key to the Carmen Electra mess is the word "let" Someone at WB let Prince spend that money he did't steal it. | |
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I totally agree with something laurarichardson said. It wasn't until Warner Bros. merged with TIME when things seems to take a turn for Prince. When Mo Ostin was president of Warner Bros Records(I'm not sure if i spelled his last name right) he and Prince had a good relationship. But as with all mergers, new people take over and want to change everything around. I'm not saying Prince's "fall" from the mainstream is totally the music industry's fault,but it is part of the reason. Let's be honest; Prince has ALWAYS struggled and fought to have his music accepted and played by radio stations and video stations. MTV has NEVER been a fan of Prince. I used to always say to other Prince fans: "why does MTV rarely play Prince videos?" When Prince had a hit song or album it was because people liked the music and requested it to be played on radio stations. MOST of the artists now have successful CD sales due to the fact that their videos are good; not their music. You take the same song and play it on the radio but it doesn't have a good video to go with it, the CD won't be a success. Prince made it popular off of his music alone and that is a major accomplishment in today's times. | |
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i just wanted to say that i find it kinda shocking that chuck d's collab with prince on "undisputed" is (imo) one of the worst raps ever set to prince music - and yes, i'm including tony m. No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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AlexHahn said: Also, I think Chuck might agree somewhat with the point thatPrince was not successful in integrating rap into his own music in the early 1990s, and that he did so primarily for commercial, not artistic reasons. How can this statement be true ?It is a fact that Diamonds And Pearls was one of Prince's biggest sellers.The motivation behind it and whether or not people enjoyed it boils down to individual opinions. "...all you need ...is justa touch...of mojo hand....." | |
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I read the book, and enjoyed it for what it was. It seems pretty clear that the 'fall' the author is alluding to is a fall in popularity and album sales, not artistic integrity.
As for the suggeston that this has anything to do with race, I think that's absurd. In case anyone's REALLY worried about it, Prince's 'legend' status is as etched in stone as Bowie's, Rod Stewart's, Elton John's or any other 'white' recording artist you could mention in the same breath. If you're looking for a real paralell there, Elton's is probably the closest one. If you added good business decicions into it, Prince would be the 'black' David Bowie. From where I sit and the things I hear, Bowie's nor Elton's 'legend' is any more concrete than Prince's. Frankly, I really don't care, but the race angle got me fired up. What do you care where VH1 puts Prince in their 'Top 100 Whatever' show? It's rediculous. Aretha Franklin Sly Stone James Brown Jimi Hendrix Al Green Luther Vandross Micheal Jackson Whitney Houston Rick James Sam Cooke Otis Redding Stevie Wonder Issac Hayes Curtis Mayfield RUN DMC Herbie Hancock BB King George Clinton The Ohio Players Earth Win and Fire Janet Jackson Prince... Now I'm making like 'the Love Daddy', but my point is you could mention any of these artists in the same breath as any of those 'white' artists you mentioned, and the legend remains. | |
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theblueangel said: i just wanted to say that i find it kinda shocking that chuck d's collab with prince on "undisputed" is (imo) one of the worst raps ever set to prince music - and yes, i'm including tony m.
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VINCENT said: Not only you have no talent as a writer, but I put your book at the same level as tabloids work. The only people you managed to find to talk about Prince are not relevant and/or have nothing interesting to say.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. VINCENT said: You do not explore Prince music whatsoever but choose to pick stories here and there told by the cousin of the sister of the brother of the driver who once worked for Prince.
LIE. If what you claim was true, you should EASILY find CONCRETE examples. You can't, and that's why you make stuff up. © Bart Van Hemelen
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Sdldawn said: theblueangel said: i just wanted to say that i find it kinda shocking that chuck d's collab with prince on "undisputed" is (imo) one of the worst raps ever set to prince music - and yes, i'm including tony m.
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gemineye69 said: Bart Van Dork said:
"LOL. Eminem's latest had a mere TWO tracks by Dre. Hell, Eminem WROTE some of Dre's raps in the past." Read about it b4 U B about it, homie. Of course Em's latest album had more imput than his 1st because he had 2 prove 2 be a hitmaker. Dre's production on his 1st album put him on the map. BS. It were the LYRICS. Oh, and much of that first album is also available on an EP which Dre didn't have anything to do with, because it was released long before it. There's a reason why it was deleted as soon as Dre started work on that first album. gemineye69 said: Real Hip Hop artists and producers are keeping the art form "black" as opposed 2 what happened 2 Rock and Roll.
You are not talking about Dre, surely? Try Def Jux if you want REAL hip hop -- and notice how they are colorblind. gemineye69 said: Bart Van Dork also said:
"Prince has courted major labels for years after becoming independent. Emancipation? On EMI. NPS/GCS2000/Chaka's album? ALL on BMG. Rave? Arista/BMG (after shopping it around to all labels). He was shopping High around to major labels. He'd been talking with WB to release a 2-CD Greatest Hits. And if he wasn't doing that, he was licensing his stuff to stupid labels that released his stuff with extra tracks on them by lame gangsta rappers." These were distribution deals, not full fledged major label deals. The only thing they handled is getting the albums 2 the retailers. So why go to majors? There's plenty of ways to get an album to stores via INDEPENDENT distribution. Oh, and they weren't mere distribution deals. gemineye69 said: And by the way, Bart, The Family was way more funky than Duran Duran. Not a calculated move at all, homie. Funk cannot be sold.
Irrelevant. The FACT is that Prince designed the band to get some of the money from the new Romantics movement. © Bart Van Hemelen
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Hey Bart I dig your opinion on the hitnrun.. enjoyed reading it. Thanx | |
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laurarichardson said: Prince produced the CD and wrote the songs so he called some shots. Clive could have had producers and songwriters brought in.
BS. Prince added r&b songs on the advice of Clive, and some of the guests seem to be "suggested" by Clive. © Bart Van Hemelen
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rdhull said: Sdldawn said: theblueangel said: i just wanted to say that i find it kinda shocking that chuck d's collab with prince on "undisputed" is (imo) one of the worst raps ever set to prince music - and yes, i'm including tony m.
Must be that "juice" he is reffering to..Oh Steven, behave.  Go sit in the corner for mispelling my name.   | |
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laurarichardson said: Clive Davis was fired from his job while he was promoting RAVE that is the reason the record was a bomb.
BS. The exact timeline has been documented in an Uptown article and in Possessed. Come up with concrete dates to events that contradict that, if you have them. FACT is that you don't. Prince was fighting with Clive in NOVEMBER 1999 and publicly dissing him on his site in early 2000. Now WHEN was Clive sacked? laurarichardson said: You keep calling Warner Brothers the great artist friendly label. They were artist friendly until the Time/Warner merger. Then the company was not so friendly anymore.
Yet both Metallica and REM negociated deals that were far more lucrative than Prince's and at the same time gave them more control. laurarichardson said: If Arista knew that RAVE would bomb why on God's green earth would they give Prince 11 million dollar advance.
[Snipped. Ian] CLIVE DAVIS gave him that money without even consulting with his bosses at BMG. © Bart Van Hemelen
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Sdldawn said: rdhull said: Sdldawn said: theblueangel said: i just wanted to say that i find it kinda shocking that chuck d's collab with prince on "undisputed" is (imo) one of the worst raps ever set to prince music - and yes, i'm including tony m.
Must be that "juice" he is reffering to..Oh Steven, behave. Go sit in the corner for mispelling my name. Steven, Stephen, or Steve..regardless...behave yourself. You are trippin' "Climb in my fur." | |
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TheDeacon said: I totally agree with something laurarichardson said. It wasn't until Warner Bros. merged with TIME when things seems to take a turn for Prince. When Mo Ostin was president of Warner Bros Records(I'm not sure if i spelled his last name right) he and Prince had a good relationship. But as with all mergers, new people take over and want to change everything around.
BS. Prince got pissed with WB when the  album didn't get to number 1. The merger crap etc. happened DURING their fight and didn't help things, but it's largely irrelevant. The FACT is that Prince at one time made a deal with a WB boss at one time to not talk about WB anymore (and in exchange WB would release Exodus and have it count towards his remaining albums under his contract) and broke that deal mere weeks later by talking to Esquire, badmouthing WB and claiming that he was recording a 5-album record called Emancipation. WB of course got pissed off, not just because of the badmouthing but also because the article made clear that Prince was keeping the "good stuff" until eh was free and was giving crap to WB. Then the deal was off. NOTHING to do with the executive revolving door, EVERYTHING to do with Prince being a total ass.© Bart Van Hemelen
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rdhull said: Sdldawn said: rdhull said: Sdldawn said: theblueangel said: i just wanted to say that i find it kinda shocking that chuck d's collab with prince on "undisputed" is (imo) one of the worst raps ever set to prince music - and yes, i'm including tony m.
Must be that "juice" he is reffering to..Oh Steven, behave. Go sit in the corner for mispelling my name. Steven, Stephen, or Steve..regardless...behave yourself. You are trippin'  Nope 
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Sdldawn said: rdhull said: Sdldawn said: rdhull said: Sdldawn said: theblueangel said: i just wanted to say that i find it kinda shocking that chuck d's collab with prince on "undisputed" is (imo) one of the worst raps ever set to prince music - and yes, i'm including tony m.
Must be that "juice" he is reffering to..Oh Steven, behave. Go sit in the corner for mispelling my name. Steven, Stephen, or Steve..regardless...behave yourself. You are trippin' Nope
U and me RD
[This message was edited Mon May 12 23:57:53 PDT 2003 by Sdldawn] brang it muthafucka!!! "Climb in my fur." | |
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BartVanHemelen said: VINCENT said: Not only you have no talent as a writer, but I put your book at the same level as tabloids work. The only people you managed to find to talk about Prince are not relevant and/or have nothing interesting to say.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. VINCENT said: You do not explore Prince music whatsoever but choose to pick stories here and there told by the cousin of the sister of the brother of the driver who once worked for Prince.
LIE. If what you claim was true, you should EASILY find CONCRETE examples. You can't, and that's why you make stuff up. Make stuff up ? I've got all the books about Prince along the years and yes "Possessed" is at the bottom of the list. The prose is really poor. It's a pure tabloids work. sorry I'm into music not Prince vomit. And now do you consider the comments made by Rosie as interesting ? Btw stop using capital letters to make a point. It makes you look so childish. | |
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