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The fact that fans/fams are debating about whether he has fallen or not, and that he is getting this much attention proves he hasn't fallen from the realms of "attention" getters. I think that his musical journey will continue to stir us, and his legend will continue to grow.  | |
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Rod Stewart may still have "juice" because even his most recent album, a collection of standards that we've all heard more than enough interpretations of already, still sold enough copies to merit a follow-up in the eyes of both Stewart & his record company. In other words, he makes money. Does Prince? No, not in his fantasy of being number one at the bank...I mean, realistically...does he? Even with all of his self-promotion, I'm not so sure. [This message was edited Sun May 11 12:46:46 PDT 2003 by doomboogie] | |
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Chucks still got that racist issue..
fuck him and his stupid career. Couldnt rap worth a damn anyway | |
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and for those who think its NOT a race issue?
Remember what ol' chuck said, "Why do black artists get tagged with this and how the hell does ROD STEWART still have juice?" This is a direct comparison of a black artist having some kind of stupid rage again a white artist who's apparently found a way to have... "juice". It also goes to the fact that Chuck D hasnt had any juice in his ass since "Fight The Power" Which wasnt much... | |
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Hey Joshy84au, It is a fact that Elvis Presley is racist. He was quoted by the media as saying "The only thing a black man can do for me is shine my shoes and buy my records." Check it out if you don't believe it. | |
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Sdldawn said: Chucks still got that racist issue..
fuck him and his stupid career. Couldnt rap worth a damn anyway fuck you, that's a got damned lie | |
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FirstAvenue said:[quote] Sdldawn said: Chucks still got that racist issue..
fuck him and his stupid career. Couldnt rap worth a damn anyway fuck you, that's a got damned lie. i'm sick of honkeys gettin offended when black folks dare to tell the truth | |
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FirstAvenue said:[quote] FirstAvenue said: Sdldawn said: Chucks still got that racist issue..
fuck him and his stupid career. Couldnt rap worth a damn anyway fuck you, that's a got damned lie. i'm sick of honkeys gettin offended when black folks dare to tell the truth hahahahahahahahahahahaha, calm down son. Do you even have a point then to go and call someone a "honky"? Thats kindof rediculous, I could have been any color saying this, What it comes down to is I hate these artists (BLACK OR WHITE) that have these racial chips on their shoulders, and that goes for anyone, And reading your post, U got offended very easily also.you can easily call me a "honky" and not know me. 
And whats a lie? How can u call an opinion a lie anyway.. Nothing I've said is garunteed fact, All I said was that he cant rap worth a damn and his career sucks.. If ure calling what I said about him having a racial issue a lie, Can u not see where someone can view this as racist???? [This message was edited Sun May 11 14:01:08 PDT 2003 by Sdldawn] | |
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TheDeacon said: Hey Joshy84au, It is a fact that Elvis Presley is racist. He was quoted by the media as saying "The only thing a black man can do for me is shine my shoes and buy my records." Check it out if you don't believe it.
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Also, just because an artist doesn't sell millions of albums anymore does not mean he or she has "fallen". In the music business, when an artist comes out with an album that the mainstream audience likes, the artist is challenged with a major decision for the next album:do I put out the same thing so it will sell or do i put out somethhing different and run the risk of not selling as many albums. The one thing I have always liked about Prince is that he puts out the music he wants to; not the music that everyone else wanted him to. A TRUE artist does that. Now the REAL reason I believe Prince doesn't sell as many albums as before is because of ONE THING(and this one thing is what kept him from having consecutive success) and that is: HE DOESN'T MAKE BIG BUDGET VIDEOS! Let's face it, I don't care how good your album is, in today's time if it doesn't have a good video to go with it it will not sell. Not to take anything away from Micheal Jackson and Madonna, but I've often wondered if they didn't make big budget videos would they have maintained success as long as they have. Prince made it big off of his music alone and that says alot right there. | |
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This entire world is based and built on racism, not just music but with everything. Some see it and some choose not to. There is absolutely no way that The Rolling Stones, Paul MacCartney(?), and Cher marked the top selling concerts of last year. What was the last song they ever had? Everytime I turn on the t.v, there are the JaRule's, Jay-Z's, Ashanti's, and Jennifer Lopez's to name a few. So who's going to see any of those old rockers; can't be anybody young and they claim older people don't buy records or go to the concerts in record numbers. Confusing is it? No doubt Prince isn't selling albums like he did when was in his 20's-30's, but everybody has peeks and valleys, unless of course you're the Beatles, Pink Floyed, The Rolling Stones, Elvis, ...  | |
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Sdldawn said: Chucks still got that racist issue..
fuck him and his stupid career. Couldnt rap worth a damn anyway That's just stupid. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: Sdldawn said: Chucks still got that racist issue..
fuck him and his stupid career. Couldnt rap worth a damn anyway That's just stupid. Yeah thats real stupid eh, Chuck D's comment isnt? Hell, in my opinion he was wrong about everything he said in his comment, I think he was really wrong about the comment about prince, Prince is at the bottom of the barrel to me..... and bravo on your two cents supernova. [This message was edited Sun May 11 14:12:11 PDT 2003 by Sdldawn] | |
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Race isn't the issue here. The media consists of people who are and were rock fans. Prince doesn't fit snugly into that little world and thus he's not one of theirs. They only credit non-rock musicians who create a buzz-- which will be primarily new artists-- and industry-made products. Anything else they don't bother with.
Having said that who cares what they think. Who cares what Elvis thought? Hell who cares what Chuck D and Prince think? Just play the damn music. |
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Sdldawn said: Supernova said: Sdldawn said: Chucks still got that racist issue..
fuck him and his stupid career. Couldnt rap worth a damn anyway That's just stupid. Yeah thats real stupid eh, Chuck D's comment isnt?{SNIPPED for being stupid} Yes, your pov of "Chuck still got that racist issue" is absolutely STUPID. If you're naive enough to believe race isn't an issue in the music industry then you'll forever continue to be naive, as will no doubt be with your very next post... This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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whodknee said: Race isn't the issue here. The media consists of people who are and were rock fans. Prince doesn't fit snugly into that little world and thus he's not one of theirs. They only credit non-rock musicians who create a buzz-- which will be primarily new artists-- and industry-made products. Anything else they don't bother with.
Having said that who cares what they think. Who cares what Elvis thought? Hell who cares what Chuck D and Prince think? Just play the damn music. Honestly, I totally agree with u with everything you just said. The only thing that makes me sick about people like Chuck D, instead of elaborating on the whole thing, without a reference of color, he puts a tidbit of information that could easily been read as, "Black artists suffer because their black, Rod stewart is getting his cake and eating it too, because he's white." I just think its nonsense to argue about someones career choices and stature by color. I doesnt make sense? He could have easily brought this to everyones attention without the "anger" in his words about black artists not getting their fair share. U know as much as these artists who are against the whole scene popularity of pop and such (PRINCE)and despise that part of the industry, they sure do bitch about themselves not being in that fantasty. And BTW, What the heck is chuck d reading or finding about rod stewart? I think he's career has gone to sh*t... | |
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Supernova said: Sdldawn said: Supernova said: Sdldawn said: Chucks still got that racist issue..
fuck him and his stupid career. Couldnt rap worth a damn anyway That's just stupid. Yeah thats real stupid eh, Chuck D's comment isnt?{SNIPPED for being stupid} Yes, your pov of "Chuck still got that racist issue" is absolutely STUPID. If you're naive enough to believe race isn't an issue in the music industry then you'll forever continue to be naive, as will no doubt be with your very next post... I know race is an issue in the music industry, This is a clear example of it. Hate to look at the other side of things? [This message was edited Sun May 11 14:59:06 PDT 2003 by Sdldawn] | |
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it's gettin hot in herr | |
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7IS4ME said: it's gettin hot in herr
so take off all your clothes... | |
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my man Chuck D. well said, well said. that's like sayin' Public Enemy "Fell Off". Prince's name describes him as what he is: a Prince.
Prince could never FALL! Peace ... & Stay Funky ...
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moderatorSdldawn said: I know race is an issue in the music industry u dumbass, This is a clear example of it.
This is how I know you don't have confidence in the bullshit you're spewing; you have to resort to idiotic namecalling after your silly statement. Grow up, child. And bring some rational logic to the table, or don't pull up a chair. Hate to look at the other side of things?
[This message was edited Sun May 11 14:47:43 PDT 2003 by Sdldawn] Ask yourself that question. You quite clearly don't know what the "other side" is. æ [This message was edited Sun May 11 15:03:35 PDT 2003 by Supernova] This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said:[quote] Sdldawn said: I know race is an issue in the music industry u dumbass, This is a clear example of it.
This is how I know you don't have confidence in the bullshit you're spewing; you have to resort to idiotic namecalling after your silly statement. Grow up, child. And bring some rational logic to the table, or don't pull up a chair. Actually, I decided to edit the dumbass remark, I had no right to say that. Sorry. Hate to look at the other side of things?
[This message was edited Sun May 11 14:47:43 PDT 2003 by Sdldawn] Ask yourself that question. You quite clearly don't know what the "other side" is. ?? Actually I have looked at both sides, and I'm quite confident where I stand on Chuck D's statements. And realized that this is an ongoing debate that leads to nothing. You have your opinion, and I have mine. You think your "opinions" are right, and I think mine holds water. The truth of the matter stands, That I dont like Chuck D, nor his music. And that being said isnt the reason I responded to his comments, I saw the direct response to a racial comment, and It doesnt matter if u can or cant see it. I see it, regardless of what gets said. [This message was edited Sun May 11 15:12:21 PDT 2003 by Sdldawn] | |
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lovemachine said: laurarichardson said: realm said: I do not think its so much a racial issue. It is one hell of a stupid title for a book, the author is definetly selling drama.
To a Rolling Stones fan the music is fresh as it was years ago, they are still on top. Same goes for a Bowie or Elton fan. Same goes for the core Michael Jackson fans, if Elton would have changed his name to a symbol and his sales dwindled people would have bagged on his shit. When music lives with you in your heart these artists never fall..Prince is a legend, just like Bruce, the Police, etc.. --- Yes, Prince is a legend but the media and the industry does not treat him like a legend. The Rolling Stones are a perfect example of what I am trying to say. They sell-out stadiums all over the world but, they have not had a hit song in over a decade but, they keep obtaining recording contracts and putting out records. Racism plays a small roll in this type of nosense. So what are these records that they KEEP putting out? Prince has released more new material in the last 3 years then the Stones have in the last 15. -- Mick Jagger put out a solo recording last year. I think their are some new songs on that last Rolling Stones Best of set. With the exception of RAVE and Emancipation all Prince's work was put out independently. | |
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Tom said: NPGFlav said: In his latest (May 01) somewhat monthly "TERRORDOME" writings at PUBLIC ENEMY´S official site, CHUCK D amongst other things comments on books he recently bought. Amongst the latest is Alex Hahn´s "POSSESSED; The Rise And Fall Of Prince"
Apparently, just as myself he doesn´t quite agree with the subtitle. This is what he has to say: "4. POSSESSED; The Rise And Fall Of Prince..I don’t understand the stupid sub-title and I still don’t see how Prince fell when he calls his own shots on creativity. Why do black artists get tagged with this and how the hell does ROD STEWART still have juice?" Check out the TERRORDOME at http://www.publicenemy.co...ordome.php Extremely interesting reading on the hip-hop community, music and politics. PEACE David, Sweden Oh come on. Prince has fallen out of the limelight and the interest of people. Noone is stopping any one of you from going down to the stores and buying his albums. We're not drones at the mercy of a big record label. We all know who Prince is. There doesn't need to be some big mega advertising campaign in order to get people to like his music. Thats for no-talent stars like miss Spears. The music should speak for itself and attract the attention of listeners. Shit like NewPowerSoul, Chaos & Disorder, etc, did nothing to garner any merit or attention. PEOPLE, just like you and me, lost interest in his music. And you can't really blame them because quite a bit of it just flat out sucked ass over the past 10 years. Prince HAS fallen out of the superstar status he once had. Who knows, he may be more than happy with that. But if someone wants to comment on his career and write a book, so be it. What he is saying in the book isn't any worse than the BS gossip that goes on here, so why throw stones? I grew up on Public Enemy and love Chuck D. But sometimes he can be the kind of person that would boycott Breyers because theres no chocolate in their vanilla ice cream. [This message was edited Sun May 11 10:41:00 PDT 2003 by Tom] Well I hate to tell you this Tom but, most people are drones.Do you have any idea how much money the music industry spends on paying radio stations to play music. Do you have any idea how much they spend buying awards. Most people are not adventous enought to go out and find the good music that is out there. They just accept the crap the music industry shoves down their thoarts. If you really think everything Prince has done over the last few years is crap then you must not like RnB music. Because some of it was better than a lot of the crap on the radio. | |
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Sdldawn said: Chucks still got that racist issue..
fuck him and his stupid career. Couldnt rap worth a damn anyway You gotta be kidding me. Put the crack pipe down. Immediately. "Climb in my fur." | |
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Sdldawn said: Chucks still got that racist issue..
fuck him and his stupid career. Couldnt rap worth a damn anyway Oh btw PE opened for U2 in 1991. I dont think he would have if he had racist issues that stemmed from "him" "Climb in my fur." | |
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Sdldawn said:[quote] Supernova said: Sdldawn said: I know race is an issue in the music industry u dumbass, This is a clear example of it.
This is how I know you don't have confidence in the bullshit you're spewing; you have to resort to idiotic namecalling after your silly statement. Grow up, child. And bring some rational logic to the table, or don't pull up a chair. Actually, I decided to edit the dumbass remark, I had no right to say that. Sorry. Hate to look at the other side of things?
[This message was edited Sun May 11 14:47:43 PDT 2003 by Sdldawn] Ask yourself that question. You quite clearly don't know what the "other side" is. ?? Actually I have looked at both sides, and I'm quite confident where I stand on Chuck D's statements. And realized that this is an ongoing debate that leads to nothing. You have your opinion, and I have mine. You think your "opinions" are right, and I think mine holds water. The truth of the matter stands, That I dont like Chuck D, nor his music. And that being said isnt the reason I responded to his comments, I saw the direct response to a racial comment, and It doesnt matter if u can or cant see it. I see it, regardless of what gets said. [This message was edited Sun May 11 15:12:21 PDT 2003 by Sdldawn] --- You lost everybody with your Chuck D can't rap comment. If you think a Nelly, or Ja Rule can rap you do not know much about Hip Hop. Public Enemy had a consious message in their music. The big five record companies are making sure that never returns to rap music. I think that proves that their is racism in the industry and do not fool yourself into believing that racism in the industry is having this horrible effect on poor old Rod Stewart or anyone of his kind. Rod will be recording music when he is ninety because some racist ass in the industry will continue to give him the chance. Chuck D will continue to put out music on his own because he is not a sell-out performing minstral man rap or a white guy who sings bad covers. | |
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Sdldawn said: ?? Actually I have looked at both sides, and I'm quite confident where I stand on Chuck D's statements. And realized that this is an ongoing debate that leads to nothing. You have your opinion, and I have mine. You think your "opinions" are right, and I think mine holds water.
The truth of the matter stands, That I dont like Chuck D, nor his music. Which is the whole thing in a nutshell. Your objectivity wasn't there from the get-go. æ [This message was edited Sun May 11 23:54:27 PDT 2003 by Supernova] This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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