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Thread started 03/16/03 2:02pm

BartVanHemelen

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All available information on Possessed: The Rise And Fall Of Prince by Alex Hahn

I've decided to compile all available information on Alex Hahn's upcoming book "Possessed: The Rise And Fall Of Prince" on a page on my website, including links to online retailers and much, much more.
http://pr1nc3.com/news/bo...sessed.asp
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Reply #1 posted 03/17/03 1:13pm

GrecianGoddess

Yay I can't wait
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Reply #2 posted 03/17/03 2:50pm

bkw

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love that lego!
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.
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Reply #3 posted 03/17/03 8:30pm

herb4

Wonder what Prince would have to say about ths book? I'm guessing something less than favorable.
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Reply #4 posted 03/18/03 1:05am

DavidEye

I knew that Bart would be really interested in this book wink
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Reply #5 posted 03/18/03 1:24am

shockadelica

hang on, it says something about the most detailed appendix of song and recording information? How much are they talking about? I don't know about you guys but these appendices are not something i spend my time reading. It better not be too big!
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Reply #6 posted 03/18/03 6:51am

Billmenever

wonder what kind of reading this will make. Don't think I am to quick to purchase the book. "the rise and fall". Don't recall that Prince fell. Makes me wonder if this book actually belongs in the toilet Just my twocents the rest is free. peace
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Reply #7 posted 03/18/03 6:52am

lovemachine

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Where's Berry? She would really be interested because we all know how eagerly she is waiting this book.
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Reply #8 posted 03/18/03 6:55am

lovemachine

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Billmenever said:

wonder what kind of reading this will make. Don't think I am to quick to purchase the book. "the rise and fall". Don't recall that Prince fell. Makes me wonder if this book actually belongs in the toilet Just my twocents the rest is free. peace


If Prince hasn't fell how come he went from a man who sold millions of albums to a man who sells a couple of hundred thousand? Don't say it's because he is independent, because the fall started in the early to mid-nineties.

It's cool though because I don't really care about that kind of thing; but in the general public's eye Prince has fallen.

Could you imagine if there was a website like this in the Purple Rain era? There would be 10,000 people logged on at any given time.
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Reply #9 posted 03/18/03 7:18am

slm4m

Ha ha.. sounds like something from the pages of the taboliods. Bart never changes, love your comment about the org -- Just how often is the site down? The cover of that book looks like it was copied at Kinko's. You must be getting a cut of the profits. Even you should be above reading trash like that> Did you ghost write it?
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Reply #10 posted 03/18/03 8:09am

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I think we're all going to have to wait and see what the content is like. We shouldn't judge it on the title - which isn't that untrue - even if it could be applied to everyone in Pop Music of the period (with few exceptions - perhaps U2 & Madonna). Althought that said, his 'basic fact' announcement re: 80's Prince - v - 90's Prince is far from the truth. And this statement alone suggests Hahn might be way off target and/or be harbouring negativity to the little fellow. But only time will tell.

What the book does promise, and I would be eager to see if it can produce, is a musical critique of his work that goes beyond the usual 'too fast, too slow, too crap', etc. It's being touted, at least by the author who doesn't appear struck by modesty, as the Prince equivalent of Ian MacDonald's Beatles book, Revolution In The Head (which, as it happens, namechecked Prince as the only comparable 80's artist to the Fab Four).
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Reply #11 posted 03/18/03 9:18am

Berry

I'll be interested in hearing what some of you think about it.
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Reply #12 posted 03/18/03 10:52am

2the9s

I've preordered my copy! yay!
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Reply #13 posted 03/18/03 1:20pm

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2the9s said:

I've preordered my copy! yay!

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Me too. Barnes and Noble told me it would arrive first week of April. Cool.
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Reply #14 posted 03/18/03 7:00pm

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I have a very spotty knowledge on Prince's past, and his music. I have a feeling that even if this book is very critical it will only make me MORE interested in Prince, as I am still a novice and have not dried out the Prince mystère:)
Personally . I think we are all Boring with No Lives cause all we do is talk about Prince,Criticize and Gossip. I need a Horny Man is what I Need and probably so do most of yas. We are Sexually Frustrated what we R... Amen..!!! - zelaire
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Reply #15 posted 03/19/03 1:31pm

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lovemachine said:

Billmenever said:

wonder what kind of reading this will make. Don't think I am to quick to purchase the book. "the rise and fall". Don't recall that Prince fell. Makes me wonder if this book actually belongs in the toilet Just my twocents the rest is free. peace


If Prince hasn't fell how come he went from a man who sold millions of albums to a man who sells a couple of hundred thousand? Don't say it's because he is independent, because the fall started in the early to mid-nineties.

It's cool though because I don't really care about that kind of thing; but in the general public's eye Prince has fallen.

Could you imagine if there was a website like this in the Purple Rain era? There would be 10,000 people logged on at any given time.



Prince hasnt fallen. It takes some thinking to know that records sales numbers do not determine if an artist has fallen. Try it before stupidly following the so called fall of Prince. His greatest art came AFTER the 80s. THe Rainbow Children adn the ONA live set are not the work of an fallen artist. Those that know, know - those that dont, run their mouths
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Reply #16 posted 03/20/03 4:40pm

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Actually, the ONA live set is totally the work of a fallen artist. A bunch of (half-length) live versions of old hits, strung together with a gaggle of new songs (no one wants to hear), with pakaging designed by an 8th grader, priced at $20 per disc. That's totally the work of a fallen artist. Those in denial should get out before the crocadiles cleopatra your ass.
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Reply #17 posted 03/20/03 5:20pm

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LaMont said:

His greatest art came AFTER the 80s


Utter, utter bollocks.
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Reply #18 posted 03/21/03 3:29am

freakyfeet

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His greatest art came AFTER the 80s. THe Rainbow Children adn the ONA live set are not the work of an fallen artist. Those that know, know - those that dont, run their mouths



Right - who gave Larry Graham a sign-on name ?

Hands up !
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Reply #19 posted 03/21/03 4:31am

justin10

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Billmenever said:

wonder what kind of reading this will make. Don't think I am to quick to purchase the book. "the rise and fall". Don't recall that Prince fell. Makes me wonder if this book actually belongs in the toilet Just my twocents the rest is free. peace


If Prince hasn't fell how come he went from a man who sold millions of albums to a man who sells a couple of hundred thousand? Don't say it's because he is independent, because the fall started in the early to mid-nineties.

It's cool though because I don't really care about that kind of thing; but in the general public's eye Prince has fallen.

Could you imagine if there was a website like this in the Purple Rain era? There would be 10,000 people logged on at any given time.


I do not think this is true-not because I am obsessed. In Europe in the early nineties Prince was probably never more popular-entering the top five all the time. It really was when he broke from Warners. Markewting is so important-even madonna without advertising would not sell the volumes she does. Mass market purchasing is not driven by massive fan bases but people buying in passing who are probably quite indifferent to most of what will concern people here.
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Reply #20 posted 03/21/03 4:43am

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Yep, you could definitely make a case for Prince's popularity in Europe reaching its peak AFTER the 1980's.

In Britain alone... he won four of his five 'Brit' awards for Best International Solo Artist in the 90's (the first of those not coming until 1992). He had his first ever British Number #1 in the mid-90's, and as a concert force enjoyed the most popularity between 1991-1992.
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Reply #21 posted 03/21/03 11:37am

poetbear68

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Billmenever said:

wonder what kind of reading this will make. Don't think I am to quick to purchase the book. "the rise and fall". Don't recall that Prince fell. Makes me wonder if this book actually belongs in the toilet Just my twocents the rest is free. peace


If Prince hasn't fell how come he went from a man who sold millions of albums to a man who sells a couple of hundred thousand? Don't say it's because he is independent, because the fall started in the early to mid-nineties.

It's cool though because I don't really care about that kind of thing; but in the general public's eye Prince has fallen.

Could you imagine if there was a website like this in the Purple Rain era? There would be 10,000 people logged on at any given time.


---why do you assume that because an artist doesn't move as many records as he used to that he has fallen. That's now how I measure success. What if he's only selling a fraction of what he used to sell, but he's happy with the music he's been putting out? What if he can live with himself and be free to write and record whatever he wants? What if success is not seen by how much money a person makes? All this and more. A work of art is successful by virtue of its creation - does that sound familiar?
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Reply #22 posted 03/21/03 11:37am

poetbear68

lovemachine said:

Billmenever said:

wonder what kind of reading this will make. Don't think I am to quick to purchase the book. "the rise and fall". Don't recall that Prince fell. Makes me wonder if this book actually belongs in the toilet Just my twocents the rest is free. peace


If Prince hasn't fell how come he went from a man who sold millions of albums to a man who sells a couple of hundred thousand? Don't say it's because he is independent, because the fall started in the early to mid-nineties.

It's cool though because I don't really care about that kind of thing; but in the general public's eye Prince has fallen.

Could you imagine if there was a website like this in the Purple Rain era? There would be 10,000 people logged on at any given time.
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Reply #23 posted 03/21/03 4:14pm

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poetbear68 said:

lovemachine said:

Billmenever said:

wonder what kind of reading this will make. Don't think I am to quick to purchase the book. "the rise and fall". Don't recall that Prince fell. Makes me wonder if this book actually belongs in the toilet Just my twocents the rest is free. peace


If Prince hasn't fell how come he went from a man who sold millions of albums to a man who sells a couple of hundred thousand? Don't say it's because he is independent, because the fall started in the early to mid-nineties.

It's cool though because I don't really care about that kind of thing; but in the general public's eye Prince has fallen.

Could you imagine if there was a website like this in the Purple Rain era? There would be 10,000 people logged on at any given time.

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All artist see a decrease in record sales as they go along in there career. The music business is youth oriented as artist get older record companies and radio stations do not spend the same time and money to promote them as they do the younger artist.

In the general public eyes Prince has fallen because they do not hear him on the radio. The radio is were most people tune in to hear new music. The general public is never going to hear him on the radio as long as he is a independent artist and as long as he continues to age.

The odd thing is no one seems to care if Bruce Springsteens or the Rolling Stones are no longer selling millions of records. Only Prince fans seem worried about Prince's record sales(LOL)
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Reply #24 posted 03/21/03 5:00pm

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laurarichardson said:

All artist see a decrease in record sales as they go along in there career. The music business is youth oriented as artist get older record companies and radio stations do not spend the same time and money to promote them as they do the younger artist.


Bollocks. Prince's fanbase dropped from "easily selling 5 millions worldwide per album" in the late 1980s/early 1990s to "scraping by to reach 150,000 worldwide". That's not a dip, that's a massive drop, that's a whole lot of people who used to buy a new Prince album without listening to it, who've stopped doing so. And that audience fell away at the same time his records became crap and not worth the money. You could easily notice it when record shop suddenly started to drop the prices of his records mere weeks after the release because they were stuck with so many unsold copies. I remember seeing Come for less than midprice only a couple of months after it was released and there were plenty of copies to chose from.

laurarichardson said:

In the general public eyes Prince has fallen because they do not hear him on the radio. The radio is were most people tune in to hear new music. The general public is never going to hear him on the radio as long as he is a independent artist and as long as he continues to age.


FACT: Prince scored a massive hit with TMBGITW, released independently.

FACT: Emancipation saw a massive promotional effort by Prince, so did rave. Both were supported by major labels. Both of them failed completely.

laurarichardson said:

The odd thing is no one seems to care if Bruce Springsteens or the Rolling Stones are no longer selling millions of records.


That's because they still sell significant volumes of records.
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Reply #25 posted 03/22/03 2:30am

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BartVanHemelen said:


laurarichardson said:

The odd thing is no one seems to care if Bruce Springsteens or the Rolling Stones are no longer selling millions of records.


That's because they still sell significant volumes of records.


Have either sold more copies of new albums in total since 1994? Doubt it.
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Reply #26 posted 03/23/03 12:13pm

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laurarichardson said:


All artist see a decrease in record sales as they go along in there career. The music business is youth oriented as artist get older record companies and radio stations do not spend the same time and money to promote them as they do the younger artist.

In the general public eyes Prince has fallen because they do not hear him on the radio. The radio is were most people tune in to hear new music. The general public is never going to hear him on the radio as long as he is a independent artist and as long as he continues to age.

The odd thing is no one seems to care if Bruce Springsteens or the Rolling Stones are no longer selling millions of records. Only Prince fans seem worried about Prince's record sales(LOL)

Each one, teach one.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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