Pepe had it coming

laurarichardson said:

what's the address for Pepe's site?

laurarichardson said:

Eh ? Maybe you could come up with reasons why CJ & Pepe are "bottom feeders" but how can you judge Alex Hahn without reading a single piece of his work ?

You were putting together a reasonable argument until you blew your temper with this last piece.

Ever heard the phrase "never judge a book by its cover" ? Well congratulations, you did just that !

freakyfeet said:

because she is just like face.

prince HAS to notify folks who abuse his name/image. in fact he did the dude a favor by calling and putting him on notice personally, rather than letting his attorneys handle it.

Abrazo said:

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No, I am just like Laura. I just happen to agree with face this time.

I included Alex Hahn because of the title of his book.
"Prince the rise and fall" is a tabloid title.
Mr. Hahn and his publishers knew exactly what they were doing when they put that title on the book. Therefore, I am lumping Mr. Hahn in with C.J.

Doesn't it seem less severe and extreme now that some NPGMC members considered legal action against Prince and his club?

What the fuck is Prince worried about anyhow? Does he think the '94 East' recordings are going to dominate the charts? Well, it might outsell TRC...

For those of you who keep referring to 94 East's new CD as being the same old tunes they keep re-releasing -- the tunes on this new CD are ALL new -- they have never been released before. For some reason, some of you keep saying they are all still the same tunes. Get it through your thick heads, NONE OF THESE TUNES OR THE PRINCE GUITAR TRACKS ON 10:15 AND FORTUNE TELLER HAVE EVER BEEN RELEASED BEFORE.

thank you Pepe.

XxAxX said:

Since when does Prince HAVE to notify anyone ?

Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing.

herb4 said:

I don't think he's "worried" in any way. He simply feels betrayed when someone release songs with him without his permission. You know, the control freak he seems to be, it's either completely his or it's not going to be released at all.

Trinity3 said:

So what? Pepe adds one or two "new" tracks,but all the other songs are the same tracks that appear on numerous other 94 East compilations.I just did a search at Amazon and I found several different 94 East CDs,and they all have the same songs.The only thing that changes is the front cover.Fans should just save their money and download "10:15" and "Fortune Teller" elesewhere.

Another thing...why would Prince fans wanna spend all this money just to hear his guitar playing on weak songs that aren't even HIS own compositions?

This is a bit confusing.

If artists get-to-gether, and they make a CD, a recording,
like "94 East", and the musicians names are clearly noted on credits, why then can't you use anyone of the names, they were all involved with the project?

Maybe, he was only contacting his friend Pepe, to warn him
of the possibly WAY he might use his name, and that the
lawyers might be after him then!

MYNAMEISFACE said:

There are children dying in the street.
There are rich men liquidating Arabs for gasoline.
Your concern is Princes artistic integrity?
Stop.
Think.
Does is really matter?
This is capitalism, Pepe has a product that he has a right to whore out however he sees fit.
Get over it.

The point you all seem to be missing is that if Prince is riding up Pepe's ass about this, (Pepe who was his brother in law, previously. Pepe who still goes to visit Prince's mother even though he don't.) then Prince.org will probably be serviced with papers soon. There will also be the issue of those of you who have Prince related web pages with his name and image on them... etc... it's going to affect you soon enough. Don't go protecting the guy now. He's on a binge to scrape up every scrap of $$ that his now famously bank-rupt social image has left to offer. He doesn't treat anyone with respect when it comes to money. If you haven't figured that out ya'll, you aren't paying attention. nuff said.

DavidEye said:

Has anyone besides me ever met this guy? Fuck off about it!
"If that was your father tell me would you dog him then?" Who are you to judge? How do you make your money? This is America. Go get a proper definition of capitalism, and free-enterprise before you start baggin on a guy with a residual income.

creepycornerman said:

I've met Pepe and he was cool; and if he uses Prince to get HIS music to the masses and make some money I think it's great. God knows that Prince uses people.


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[This message was edited Tue Jan 28 19:34:18 PST 2003 by lovemachine]

DavidEye said:

I'm only gonna' tell you this one more time. Here are 2 links for you: www.pepemusic.com and www.electricfetus.com. Read the track listing for the CD titled, 94 East featuring 10:15 and Fortune Teller Remix with Prince on Guitar. Unless you went to either of these two sites and looked at the track listing for THIS CD, you would not see that ALL the songs are new. If you can't see this, get an eye checkup. If you can't understand it, get an IQ test -- you may need Spec Ed classes. Heck, why don't you just order this CD and listen to it and you will HEAR that none of these songs are the same as previous 94 East CDs!!!

lovemachine said:

Thank you lovemachine. Pepe is a very cool guy. Not to mention all the bootleggers that made $ off him because of Princes version of 'If you see me". What goes around...

herb4 said:

laurarichardson said:

There is no need to act like it is a crime to have such a title for a book. Now if was outright offending Prince, it would be different. But you didn't even read it, so what do you know? Nothing, right?
Whatever your personal opinion on "rise and fall" is, it is your opinion. An opinion on a title does not justify to lump the writer in with CJ. I don't see why you people are always defending princw when there is nothing to defend. But keep on acting as if Prince is being done wrong all the time and we might get some where...


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Trinity3 said:

I went to that site and this is what is says..."In addition to "10:15" and "Fortune Teller",there are 10 very hot,very fresh,very new tracks by 94 East".Supposedly,this is a "new" 94 East album,yet Prince's name is prominently displayed on the cover.So,fans would be shelling out their money just to hear only TWO songs with Prince involvement,and a bunch of weak new tracks by a band that never made it to the big time?? Like I said before,fans should just download "Fortune Teller" and "10:15" elsewhere.


And so what if THIS particular CD is "new"? That still doesn't explain why there are numerous other 94 East compilations that have the same songs on every CD.


Edit my ass...
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naturegirl said:

Copyrightlaws in many countries explicitly state the right of authors and performing artists to make their work public with proper credit, even when the copyright has been transferred . In the US authors don't have this statutory right however. (altho' the US is internationally obligated to change its laws, it doesn't)
It could be that the license Pepe had, has 'expired'. Pepe argues tho' that he holds the rights he needs for

these releases:

If he has all the rights he needs and credits the artists properly he should have no worries.


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freakyfeet said:

in order to protect his trademark/copyright interest.
the way i understand it, if prince/paisley park has knowledge of an entity infringing on his copyrighted/trademarked material, they are required to notify that individual of the infringement. FAILURE to do so could cost prince his right to challenge the transgression.

XxAxX said:

This is why Uptown claims that he really didn't have a trademark on the symbol. Because legally in order to protect your trakemark you need to use the trademark symbol each and everytime that you publish it. By handing out the computer font and other indiscretions Prince lost his trademark on the symbol. I presume they must of have had a case being as Prince dropped the suit.

As Prince said on one of those songs on 1999 "Take A Bath Pepe"

Somebody cue up the music to "Are You Gonna Go Way" Let me clear my throat... "But what I really wanna know is...Who's got the unreleased Sheryl Crow CD?"

Yes, after she depressed the Tuesday Night Music Club guys (Some didn't recover...R.I.P Kevin.) She made a dance CD before she reinvented herself as a really rockin' chick who is Soaking Up The Sun.

Sheryl's birthday is around this time of the year along with The lovely and talented Melvoin Sisters and Edward Van Halen.Talent aplenty.

I'm not ragging on Sheryl, if you look on rec.audio.pro in the newsgroups they had a interesting turn of events in The Tuesday Night Music Club and it gives all of us a lesson on how deep the music business really is.

lovemachine said:

oh dear. i wasn't aware he had done that. big ooops! thanks for setting me straight lovemachine

i can understand both sides of the argument...

however there r 2 very simple q's that clearly illustr8 the truth.

Q1 - Why do these recordings keep surfacing time&time again?!?
A: Perhaps its cuz r hero plays in it.

Q2- Has Prince gone through enough personal and spiritual growth
to put this behind him?!?
A: I thought he did...

I see y P gets cheezed off, he's trying 2 be successful in his own
ways and some ppl r trying 2 take a ride on his hard work.

I hope Prince puts his energy to his music, and not these pointtless
arguments.

In other words get your ass in a plane and tour Australia.

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XxAxX said:

Yes that's right for trademarked / copyrighted information but the point is that abusing someones "name/image" is not an infringement of trademark but is within your legal rights.

Even if Pepe had "abused his name/image" (which incidentally I seriously doubt) then there's nothing legally Prince can do about it.