Frankly, I find the entire Mani thing so distasteful, that I can barely to listen to "Call My Name" -- a fantastic ballad (a la older Prince tunes,) which otherwise would have been my new favorite spin were it not for the sheepish undercurrent of insincerity. There was a time when the hypocritical disparity between Prince's lyrics and the way he actually lived his life were nothing more than trivial incidentals for me. I mean, I did what he *said* not what he did, and pretty much predicated both my sexual and spiritual growth upon the Magic of Prince, enriching my life in so many foundational ways.


I've been following some of the recent posts about Mani and Mani vs. Mayte and now I feel compelled to speak my peace...

Really, there is not much more needed to be known about Mani than the basic scenario to make some founded assessments. She may very well be a perfectly nice girl (at least superficially) but the general facts do not speak very highly of her character. Ironically [to criticisms posted about Mayte] Mani seems to have molded herself entirely to suit the sole (and lofty!?) project of snagging Prince.

She was/represents something Prince himself has mocked and ridiculed for years -- the consummate FANATIC. She's the poster girl for the ultimate Prince stalker because her strategy was much more insidious and calculated than hiking up her dress to him at a club -- hers was a slow & psychological mission, and one that was presumably at the expense of an entire life she left behind. Don't get me wrong -- she obviously carried out every Prince Girl's *fantasy* -- but seriously, to make it one's life ambition, to sacrifice everything else not knowing the man anymore than the rest of us do through his music, is completely wack. I don't know one stable, emotionally healthy woman with a life and purpose that would give everything up to try, even in the strongest days of Prince-obsession (and trust me, we've all had "if only he knew *me*...I-understand-him-in-a-way-that-no-one-else-could" moments.) Not only is that really strange, but it is also very impractical. For starters, you'd have to be independently wealthy...and then have an over-inflated sense of self.

There is no comparison with the way in which his relationship developed with Mayte. She has said many times that she barely knew who he was when she was hired by him to dance -- what she was *trained* to do. Her mother wasn't a Prince fanatic, either, just a bit of an opportunist in that she saw a potential gig for her daughter due to the Middle Eastern influences of his music at the time (Theives In The Temple, I believe.) Any "(eager-to) pleasing" Mayte did over the course of her tenure with NPG has more to do with the fact that she was young, inexperienced and not really exposed to much else. Isolated and in love, she did as he insisted. That was Prince's game.

The fact of Mani's courting him while married to Mayte (and during the baby era) is an entirely other shady discourse. It is almost painful to me that Prince -- my hero -- would support at any level this kind of blatant disrespect. C'mon, Man. You're better than that...
Confirmed reports of her wearing Mayte's clothes, etc., is nothing if not completely FOUL, even if it was initiated by a twisted (read: jilted) Prince.

And finally, I find it unbelievable that anyone would think that Mani's acquisition was clever or meritous. It doesn't take Freud to see what needed to be done: Watch Prince sink into spiritual decline; note his inclination towards a particular Jehovah's mentor; honor his need for guidance and nurturance without relinquishing power; and casually dip into the readings, learning the religious principles for yourself to be used in intimate late night conversations about "GodLifeLoveHappinessWorldPeace". Remember that she not only had the advantage of waiting until he became emotionally vulnerable, but also of witnessing what went wrong between him & Mayte (where Mayte "failed.")

And wasn't Mani a pre/law student? In other words, she was trained in the art of persuasion and not necessarily Truth...

Somehow there's nothing pretty about that to me, but then I do see Beauty in a true strength of character, not a constructed one...
[This message was edited Wed May 12 17:51:20 2004 by ezinc]

Frankly, I find the entire Mani thing so distasteful, that I can barely to listen to "Call My Name" -- a fantastic ballad (a la older Prince tunes,) which otherwise would have been my new favorite spin were it not for the sheepish undercurrent of insincerity. There was a time when the hypocritical disparity between Prince's lyrics and the way he actually lived his life were nothing more than trivial incidentals for me. I mean, I did what he *said* not what he did, and pretty much predicated both my sexual and spiritual growth upon the Magic of Prince, enriching my life in so many foundational ways.


I've been following some of the recent posts about Mani and Mani vs. Mayte and now I feel compelled to speak my peace...

Really, there is not much more needed to be known about Mani than the basic scenario to make some founded assessments. She may very well be a perfectly nice girl (at least superficially) but the general facts do not speak very highly of her character. Ironically [to criticisms posted about Mayte] Mani seems to have molded herself entirely to suit the sole (and lofty!?) project of snagging Prince.

She was/represents something Prince himself has mocked and ridiculed for years -- the consummate FANATIC. She's the poster girl for the ultimate Prince stalker because her strategy was much more insidious and calculated than hiking up her dress to him at a club -- hers was a slow & psychological mission, and one that was presumably at the expense of an entire life she left behind. Don't get me wrong -- she obviously carried out every Prince Girl's *fantasy* -- but seriously, to make it one's life ambition, to sacrifice everything else not knowing the man anymore than the rest of us do through his music, is completely wack. I don't know one stable, emotionally healthy woman with a life and purpose that would give everything up to try, even in the strongest days of Prince-obsession (and trust me, we've all had "if only he knew *me*...I-understand-him-in-a-way-that-no-one-else-could" moments.) Not only is that really strange, but it is also very impractical. For starters, you'd have to be independently wealthy...and then have an over-inflated sense of self.

There is no comparison with the way in which his relationship developed with Mayte. She has said many times that she barely knew who he was when she was hired by him to dance -- what she was *trained* to do. Her mother wasn't a Prince fanatic, either, just a bit of an opportunist in that she saw a potential gig for her daughter due to the Middle Eastern influences of his music at the time (Theives In The Temple, I believe.) Any "(eager-to) pleasing" Mayte did over the course of her tenure with NPG has more to do with the fact that she was young, inexperienced and not really exposed to much else. Isolated and in love, she did as he insisted. That was Prince's game.

The fact of Mani's courting him while married to Mayte (and during the baby era) is an entirely other shady discourse. It is almost painful to me that Prince -- my hero -- would support at any level this kind of blatant disrespect. C'mon, Man. You're better than that...
Confirmed reports of her wearing Mayte's clothes, etc., is nothing if not completely FOUL, even if it was initiated by a twisted (read: jilted) Prince.

And finally, I find it unbelievable that anyone would think that Mani's acquisition was clever or meritous. It doesn't take Freud to see what needed to be done: Watch Prince sink into spiritual decline; note his inclination towards a particular Jehovah's mentor; honor his need for guidance and nurturance without relinquishing power; and casually dip into the readings, learning the religious principles for yourself to be used in intimate late night conversations about "GodLifeLoveHappinessWorldPeace". Remember that she not only had the advantage of waiting until he became emotionally vulnerable, but also of witnessing what went wrong between him & Mayte (where Mayte "failed.")

And wasn't Mani a pre/law student? In other words, she was trained in the art of persuasion and not necessarily Truth...

Somehow there's nothing pretty about that to me, but then I do see Beauty in a true strength of character, not a constructed one...
[This message was edited Wed May 12 17:51:20 2004 by ezinc]

u couldnt be more wrong about mani.... but thats all im saying
so many of u r way off,
but this kind of talk is bound to happen..
she is a beautiful person in and out, if u really knew her








Dan

Mayte still looks better than mani's "innocent" ass.

Frankly, I find the entire Mani thing so distasteful, that I can barely to listen to "Call My Name" -- a fantastic ballad (a la older Prince tunes,) which otherwise would have been my new favorite spin were it not for the sheepish undercurrent of insincerity (and tinge of vindictiveness?) There was a time when the hypocritical disparity between Prince's lyrics and the way he actually lived his life were nothing more than trivial incidentals for me. I mean, I did what he *said* not what he did, and pretty much predicated both my sexual and spiritual growth upon the Magic of Prince, enriching my life in so many foundational ways.


I've been following some of the recent posts about Mani and Mani vs. Mayte and now I feel compelled to speak my peace...

Really, there is not much more needed to be known about Mani than the basic scenario to make some founded assessments. She may very well be a perfectly nice girl (at least superficially) but the general facts do not speak very highly of her character. Ironically [to criticisms posted about Mayte] Mani seems to have molded herself entirely to suit the sole (and lofty!?) project of snagging Prince.

She was/represents something Prince himself has mocked and ridiculed for years -- the consummate FANATIC. She's the poster girl for the ultimate Prince stalker because her strategy was much more insidious and calculated than hiking up her dress to him at a club -- hers was a slow & psychological mission, and one that was presumably at the expense of an entire life she left behind. Don't get me wrong -- she obviously carried out every Prince Girl's *fantasy* -- but seriously, to make it one's life ambition, to sacrifice everything else not knowing the man anymore than the rest of us do through his music, is completely wack. I don't know one stable, emotionally healthy woman with a life and purpose that would give everything up to try, even in the strongest days of Prince-obsession (and trust me, we've all had "if only he knew *me*...I-understand-him-in-a-way-that-no-one-else-could" moments.) Not only is that really strange, but it is also very impractical. For starters, you'd have to be independently wealthy...and then have an over-inflated sense of self.

There is no comparison with the way in which his relationship developed with Mayte. She has said many times that she barely knew who he was when she was hired by him to dance -- what she was *trained* to do. Her mother wasn't a Prince fanatic, either, just a bit of an opportunist in that she saw a potential gig for her daughter due to the Middle Eastern influences of his music at the time (Theives In The Temple, I believe.) Any "(eager-to) pleasing" Mayte did over the course of her tenure with NPG has more to do with the fact that she was young, inexperienced and not really exposed to much else. Isolated and in love, she did as he insisted. That was Prince's game.

The fact of Mani's courting him while married to Mayte (and during the baby era) is an entirely other shady discourse. It is almost painful to me that Prince -- my hero -- would support at any level this kind of blatant disrespect. C'mon, Man. You're better than that...
Confirmed reports of her wearing Mayte's clothes, etc., is nothing if not completely FOUL, even if it was initiated by a twisted (read: jilted, vengeful) Prince.

And finally, I find it unbelievable that anyone would think that Mani's acquisition was clever or meritous. It doesn't take Freud to see what needed to be done: Watch Prince sink into spiritual decline; note his inclination towards a particular Jehovah's mentor; honor his need for guidance and nurturance without relinquishing power; and casually dip into the readings, learning the religious principles for yourself to be used in intimate late night conversations about "GodLifeLoveHappinessWorldPeace". Remember that she not only had the advantage of waiting until he became emotionally vulnerable, but also of witnessing what went wrong between him & Mayte (where Mayte "failed.")

And wasn't Mani a pre/law student? In other words, she was trained in the art of persuasion and not necessarily Truth...

Somehow there's nothing pretty about that to me, but then I do see Beauty in a true strength of character, not a constructed one...
[This message was edited Wed May 12 20:59:24 2004 by ezinc]

u couldnt be more wrong about mani.... but thats all im saying
so many of u r way off,
but this kind of talk is bound to happen..
she is a beautiful person in and out, if u really knew her








Dan

Hey PM - skank remark was not aimed at Mayte - it was at my boyf other woman. At the end of the day it's time to move on already with the whole mayte/prince/manuella - I'm sure that they are all happy with their lives now - and probably couldn't care less and these threads anyway

Isn't it all about the music really ---

u couldnt be more wrong about mani.... but thats all im saying
so many of u r way off,
but this kind of talk is bound to happen..
she is a beautiful person in and out, if u really knew her








Dan

Mayte still looks better than mani's "innocent" ass.

Dan1 said:

There's other ways to be fake than just the physical, if you know what I mean

missfee said:

Totally agree.

I still like what another orger once said, that pictures of Mani reminds them of a lioness protecting its kill. Dead on analogy, imo.

I agree wholeheartedly with ezinc.

I have friends close to Paisley and Mayte - and friends from Paisley told me about Mani's conquests towards Prince. WHILE HE WAS MARRIED she stayed at Chanhassen hotels going to Paisley parties until Prince noticed her, she became a teeshirt seller at shows, then an assistant. She was the last straw for MAYTE TO LEAVE PRINCE.

Basically a crazy Fanatic Homewrecker.

What is funny to me is that y'all who bash Mayte - who is trained in the Art of Dance... "love" Mani who has done what? Nothing but getting with a married man and eventually marrying him. What does anyone know of this woman?

To each his own I guess.....

Frankly, I find the entire Mani thing so distasteful, that I can barely to listen to "Call My Name" -- a fantastic ballad (a la older Prince tunes,) which otherwise would have been my new favorite spin were it not for the sheepish undercurrent of insincerity (and tinge of vindictiveness?) There was a time when the hypocritical disparity between Prince's lyrics and the way he actually lived his life were nothing more than trivial incidentals for me. I mean, I did what he *said* not what he did, and pretty much predicated both my sexual and spiritual growth upon the Magic of Prince, enriching my life in so many foundational ways.


I've been following some of the recent posts about Mani and Mani vs. Mayte and now I feel compelled to speak my peace...

Really, there is not much more needed to be known about Mani than the basic scenario to make some founded assessments. She may very well be a perfectly nice girl (at least superficially) but the general facts do not speak very highly of her character. Ironically [to criticisms posted about Mayte] Mani seems to have molded herself entirely to suit the sole (and lofty!?) project of snagging Prince.

She was/represents something Prince himself has mocked and ridiculed for years -- the consummate FANATIC. She's the poster girl for the ultimate Prince stalker because her strategy was much more insidious and calculated than hiking up her dress to him at a club -- hers was a slow & psychological mission, and one that was presumably at the expense of an entire life she left behind. Don't get me wrong -- she obviously carried out every Prince Girl's *fantasy* -- but seriously, to make it one's life ambition, to sacrifice everything else not knowing the man anymore than the rest of us do through his music, is completely wack. I don't know one stable, emotionally healthy woman with a life and purpose that would give everything up to try, even in the strongest days of Prince-obsession (and trust me, we've all had "if only he knew *me*...I-understand-him-in-a-way-that-no-one-else-could" moments.) Not only is that really strange, but it is also very impractical. For starters, you'd have to be independently wealthy...and then have an over-inflated sense of self.

There is no comparison with the way in which his relationship developed with Mayte. She has said many times that she barely knew who he was when she was hired by him to dance -- what she was *trained* to do. Her mother wasn't a Prince fanatic, either, just a bit of an opportunist in that she saw a potential gig for her daughter due to the Middle Eastern influences of his music at the time (Theives In The Temple, I believe.) Any "(eager-to) pleasing" Mayte did over the course of her tenure with NPG has more to do with the fact that she was young, inexperienced and not really exposed to much else. Isolated and in love, she did as he insisted. That was Prince's game.

The fact of Mani's courting him while married to Mayte (and during the baby era) is an entirely other shady discourse. It is almost painful to me that Prince -- my hero -- would support at any level this kind of blatant disrespect. C'mon, Man. You're better than that...
Confirmed reports of her wearing Mayte's clothes, etc., is nothing if not completely FOUL, even if it was initiated by a twisted (read: jilted, vengeful) Prince.

And finally, I find it unbelievable that anyone would think that Mani's acquisition was clever or meritous. It doesn't take Freud to see what needed to be done: Watch Prince sink into spiritual decline; note his inclination towards a particular Jehovah's mentor; honor his need for guidance and nurturance without relinquishing power; and casually dip into the readings, learning the religious principles for yourself to be used in intimate late night conversations about "GodLifeLoveHappinessWorldPeace". Remember that she not only had the advantage of waiting until he became emotionally vulnerable, but also of witnessing what went wrong between him & Mayte (where Mayte "failed.")

And wasn't Mani a pre/law student? In other words, she was trained in the art of persuasion and not necessarily Truth...

Somehow there's nothing pretty about that to me, but then I do see Beauty in a true strength of character, not a constructed one...
[This message was edited Wed May 12 20:59:24 2004 by ezinc]

I agree wholeheartedly with ezinc.

I have friends close to Paisley and Mayte - and friends from Paisley told me about Mani's conquests towards Prince. WHILE HE WAS MARRIED she stayed at Chanhassen hotels going to Paisley parties until Prince noticed her, she became a teeshirt seller at shows, then an assistant. She was the last straw for MAYTE TO LEAVE PRINCE.

Basically a crazy Fanatic Homewrecker.

What is funny to me is that y'all who bash Mayte - who is trained in the Art of Dance... "love" Mani who has done what? Nothing but getting with a married man and eventually marrying him. What does anyone know of this woman?

To each his own I guess.....

It trully gets tiresome to visit the org and see all the uncalled for negativity against Mayte. I can totally understand that some people do not care for her, even though they probably do not know her personally. But all of the blatantly rude remarks (skank, gold digger, etc.) are just ridiculous and juvenile. I usually just ignore them and try not to comment, but I have to agree 100% with ezinc. Girl, you just hit the nail on the head! I don't think there is anything else that I can add to that.

Xandra said:

Hey Xandra!

I wasn't referring to your "skank" remark, in the past she has been called skank and MANY other useless names.

PrimordialOoze said:

You know i love ya, but explain exactly what do you mean??? I know that we've all heard a lot of good and not so good things about Mani; I know you've been in her presence a couple of times, but I really would like to know what you know, mean....

PrimordialOoze said:

innocent ass or slutty ass?? To my sons, bring home the innocent ass anyday....