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Tony M wasnt that bad I listened to Diamonds and Pearls all the way through for the first time in a while and I was actually taken with how well Tony M's raps fit those songs. Typically I was annoyed by any rap being forcibly inserted into a good pop song for the sake of being trendy.
Most any Prince song is better without the rap but if he had to stick it in there, it actually doesnt hurt this particular album. And Tony does have some skills on wax - the live performance is suspect at best. | |
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 Im afraid I beg to differ,Tony M was terrible
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I think if you took the words "utterly craptastic" and replaced them with "wasn't that bad" without changing the original meaning, then I would agree that Tony M. wasn't that bad. | |
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Tony M sucked ass. His appearances were, perhaps, some of the most embarrassing in Prince history. The only moment I can think of that was worse was Malcolm Jamal Warner. | |
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I couldn't understand a word of his rapping during the concerts. Maybe that's what they meant when they said "don't come to the concerts".
'COS TONY M WILL BE RAPPING! | |
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ConsciousContact said: I couldn't understand a word of his rapping during the concerts. Maybe that's what they meant when they said "don't come to the concerts".
'COS TONY M WILL BE RAPPING! I can't understand almost any rapper live except maybe Ice T... -------------------------------------------------
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I never hated Tony M and am so surprised how many people say he sucked. I thought he fit in real well back then and understood when his time w/ the band was up. When I watch my concert vids (NUDE etc.) I dig the dance routines and think they were coreographed well. I give him and the rest of the band back them a lot of credit for their well rehearsed performances! -------------------------------------------------
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Tony stepping up from the dancer position as a rapper in Prince's band, marked the moment when Prince began to follow rather than lead. | |
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He was truly Beyond Bad.He Hurt my Eardrums with His Flow. mistermaxxx | |
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in all seriousness, yes, he was
only thing worse was TC ELLIS | |
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LaMont said: I listened to Diamonds and Pearls all the way through for the first time in a while and I was actually taken with how well Tony M's raps fit those songs. Typically I was annoyed by any rap being forcibly inserted into a good pop song for the sake of being trendy.
Most any Prince song is better without the rap but if he had to stick it in there, it actually doesnt hurt this particular album. And Tony does have some skills on wax - the live performance is suspect at best. I agree! Unlike many other Prince fans on this site,I never really had any problem with Tony M.I dig his contributions to the 'D&P' and 'Love Symbol' CDs.No,he wasn't the *greatest* rapper,and in a live setting,it was hard to hear what he was saying.But,he was cool. | |
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DavidEye said: LaMont said: I listened to Diamonds and Pearls all the way through for the first time in a while and I was actually taken with how well Tony M's raps fit those songs. Typically I was annoyed by any rap being forcibly inserted into a good pop song for the sake of being trendy.
Most any Prince song is better without the rap but if he had to stick it in there, it actually doesnt hurt this particular album. And Tony does have some skills on wax - the live performance is suspect at best. I agree! Unlike many other Prince fans on this site,I never really had any problem with Tony M.I dig his contributions to the 'D&P' and 'Love Symbol' CDs.No,he wasn't the *greatest* rapper,and in a live setting,it was hard to hear what he was saying.But,he was cool. Some clear rational analysis without the mindless adherence to the status quo...most refreshing | |
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I had no real problem with Tony M. I just didn't think Prince needed to interject rap into the mix PERIOD. Tony's voice is more suited for rap than Prince's is, but why rap when you can sing? It was a bad move on Prince's part, in my opinion. Glad its over. | |
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Tony M was weak & unnecessary...   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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LaMont said: I listened to Diamonds and Pearls all the way through for the first time in a while and I was actually taken with how well Tony M's raps fit those songs. Typically I was annoyed by any rap being forcibly inserted into a good pop song for the sake of being trendy.
Most any Prince song is better without the rap but if he had to stick it in there, it actually doesnt hurt this particular album. And Tony does have some skills on wax - the live performance is suspect at best. I know Tony M. wasn't that bad and all of his raps arent that bad except for my name is prince i couldnt understand 1 fucking word he said in that rap | |
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CHAOSMAN87 said: I know Tony M. wasn't that bad and all of his raps arent that bad except for my name is prince i couldnt understand 1 fucking word he said in that rap
 I mean, like, where is the sun? | |
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In his defence (bearing in mind I think he was shite) rap is a very difficult medium to be in good because it takes so little skill.
There are so many bad rappers clogging their charts with the backwards bile and underclass diatribes, that they make Tony M. look like some kinda superstar. For a real true talent to shine through is very hard, Tony M. was not one, but he was no worse than half the Top 40 today. [This message was edited Sun May 25 14:45:20 PDT 2003 by VelvetSplash] | |
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VelvetSplash said: ...rap is a very difficult medium to be in good because it takes so little skill.
That's kind of a bold statement. Considering the fact that cats like Chuck D., Ice Cube, 2Pac, Biggie Smalls and Talieb Kweli have excelled at it while the likes of Prince, T.C. Ellis, and others have failed miserably at it, I'd hardly say that's the case. Good rap takes a combination of lyrical skill and DELIVERY with a twist of street. Prince wrote raps like he wrote his regular song lyrics. Hip hop heads have no tolerance for indirect double-entenders. They want the uncut funk; direct and in-your-face delivered with cleverness. The reason I kinda agreed that Tony wasn't that bad is because he has the voice suited for delivery; he just lacked the lyrics and the flow. His flow was corny. Lyrically, he had a couple of good lines in him, though - but that's not enough to carry yourself in the rap game. Tony could go the L.L. route and make "girl-friendly" rap and probably do alright IF he had lyrics behind him. Flow is less important that way and all he would have to do is focus on being "sexy". Still, he was better than Prince as a rapper in my opinion. Prince is way too detatched from the streets to drop rhymes and expect ANY kind of respect in that genre. Besides, he doesn't need it. He can SING and PLAY. Who needs rap when you've got TRUE skillz? | |
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Pochacco said: Im afraid I beg to differ,Tony M was terrible
Much love PochaccoTony M is a better rapper than TC Ellis  | |
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pimpdoutt said: in all seriousness, yes, he was
only thing worse was TC ELLIS Whoops! Ya beat me to it  | |
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BlaqueKnight said: VelvetSplash said: ...rap is a very difficult medium to be in good because it takes so little skill.
[color=blue:a9d87a1c89:4e381c4788]That's kind of a bold statement. Considering the fact that cats like Chuck D., Ice Cube, 2Pac, Biggie Smalls and Talieb Kweli have excelled at it while the likes of Prince, T.C. Ellis, and others have failed miserably at it, I'd hardly say that's the case. Good rap takes a combination of lyrical skill and DELIVERY with a twist of street. Prince wrote raps like he wrote his regular song lyrics. Hip hop heads have no tolerance for indirect double-entenders. They want the uncut funk; direct and in-your-face delivered with cleverness. The reason I kinda agreed that Tony wasn't that bad is because he has the voice suited for delivery; he just lacked the lyrics and the flow. His flow was corny. Lyrically, he had a couple of good lines in him, though - but that's not enough to carry yourself in the rap game. Tony could go the L.L. route and make "girl-friendly" rap and probably do alright IF he had lyrics behind him. Flow is less important that way and all he would have to do is focus on being "sexy". Still, he was better than Prince as a rapper in my opinion. Prince is way too detatched from the streets to drop rhymes and expect ANY kind of respect in that genre. Besides, he doesn't need it. He can SING and PLAY. Who needs rap when you've got TRUE skillz? Hey BlaqueKnight,I love your posts!!! You always put the right words together and say the right things.Much props to you. | |
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