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The Time 40th Anniversary Deluxe release

The Time’s first album is to get a 40th anniversary re-release.

Tracklisting:

LP 1

Side A:

  1. “Get It Up”
  2. “Girl”
  3. “After Hi School”

Side B:

  1. “Cool”
  2. “Oh, Baby”
  3. “The Stick”

LP 2

Side A:

  1. “Get It Up (Single Edit)”
  2. “Girl (Edit)”
  3. “Cool (Part 1)”

Side B:

  1. “Cool (Part II)”
  2. “After Hi School (Single Edit)”
  3. “The Stick (Single Edit)”

https://www.classicpopmag...niversary/

https://www.rhino.com/pro...olor-vinyl

Pre-order here: https://store.rhino.com/a...-time.html

[Edited 7/3/21 14:27pm]

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Reply #1 posted 07/03/21 5:40pm

Sydney

As Morris said this is a "wasted opportunity". Can you imagine how great it would be to get expanded, SD versions of these incredible Time records with the buy-in and assistance of the band & Prince Estate. I really can't undertsand why there is such a delay on Deluxe packages around the Time, Sheila E and other significant associate records. Are these releases really that costly to assemble? All the tracks are effectively cut (bar re-mastering) and the content is probably all just sitting in the Vault. if I worked at Warner this back catalogue would be ALL re-issued while the ageing fanbase who would be most interested in it are still alive!

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Reply #2 posted 07/03/21 6:39pm

SoulAlive

THE TIME, THE TIME (1981)

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Reply #3 posted 07/04/21 3:46am

MusicFan20Ten

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Even with Morris Day now backing the release, I think it's still kinda disappointing. I saw the tracklist prior to him speaking out about it, and hoped with him now on board the content on disc two would change. I would much rather it be a live album or demos rather than the same album songs but shorter. Personally I don't see a point to it, but £26 for two coloured vinyls, there can be worse things. Plus we've got an upscaled version of the Cool music video now. Hopefully in future we'll get a SDE version of this, but it'll do for now I guess. Fingers crossed!!

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Reply #4 posted 07/04/21 2:35pm

SoulAlive

It looks like a nice reissue,but those single edits are pointless.

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Reply #5 posted 07/04/21 11:02pm

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According to the press release the digital version will be remastered: "In celebration of the album's 40th anniversary, Rhino will release an Expanded Edition created from the original analog tapes and is available as a 2- LP red and white set (PRICE) and features several alternate takes of the six main album tracks. The digital version was remastered under the supervision of Morris Day. Both will be available July 16 and are available for pre-order now."

Cool Part 1 (2021 Remaster) is up on streaming platforms now. Here's the press release https://www.prweb.com/rel...033465.htm
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Reply #6 posted 07/04/21 11:19pm

SoulAlive

The Time - Cool (Official... - YouTube

now in HD....looks great!

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Reply #7 posted 07/06/21 4:08pm

PurpleCreme

Cecy said:

According to the press release the digital version will be remastered

Great news, no need to pick up the vinyl now. Thanks. Guessing they're using the same master for both versions, hopefully the vinyl isn't just a digital transfer onto wax.

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Reply #8 posted 07/07/21 2:39pm

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I'm happy there is a digital version.

I hope we can expect Vanity 6 next year, and on CD.

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Reply #9 posted 07/08/21 2:27pm

SoulAlive

yeah,I think I'm just gonna get the digital version,since it's remastered.

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Reply #10 posted 07/13/21 5:39pm

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It's time the public tells these companies what 2 do with the single edits............

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Reply #11 posted 07/16/21 7:55am

PurpleCreme

Just listened to "The Stick" from the remastered digital version. All sounding good so far, mostly like the original vinyl master, Prince's BGVs sound louder to me.

[Edited 7/16/21 7:58am]

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Reply #12 posted 07/16/21 8:44am

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Reply #13 posted 07/16/21 3:27pm

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Hi everyone. So I’ve done a few tests and here’s my review.

In answer to the Persian’s question, I do have an Edirol DAC plugged into my Windows PC. Unfortunately the headphone socket is dead and it’s a bit late to be playing music loud through my monitors.

As, such I’ve opted to use my favourite pair of Sony headphones and my PC’s internal sound card. This won’t matter so much as I decided to download a CD quality copy of the new remaster so I can compare all three versions at the same bitrate.

So for this comparison I’m using 16-bit, 44.1khz FLACs of…
* The original issue album
* The 2015 Japanese remaster
* The new 2021 remaster


Test 1: Wave forms.

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As you can see, the original issue CD is the quietest by quite a long way. The 2015 version is the loudest, as a result a lot of the fine detail has been shaved off of the top. The 2021 version seems to get the balance right with better volume that the original and none of the clipping.


Test 2: Spectral.

TXscBlM.jpg

As you can see both the original issue CD and 2015 remaster cap at the 20KH mark, however on the 2021 remaster the data appears to stretch to the limit on the CD quality version and to about 45KH on the on the HD FLAC.



Test 3: Listening

I normalised the volume across all the versions as best I could and listened to samples of all three versions. The original CD didn’t sound awful at first, but it was a little flat and the clarity in the vocals wasn’t the best. Sounded a tad muffled in the mid section.

I then tried the 2015 remaster and was far more impressed. Much brighter, the music had more punch to it and the vocals were a lot clearer. Better bass and mid section. Despite the visible clipping I really liked the sound of this version.

I then tried the 2021 which has a lot of the qualities I liked in the 2015 remaster. It was clear, vibrant, the vocals sounded great, the bass was there, but I didn’t think there was a lot it.

Clearly the original issue was lacking, so I set that aside and compared the 2015 and 2021 remasters more closely. I kept going back and forth and there were times I was convinced the 2021 version was better, then I’d convince myself they were too close to separate.

That was until I noticed a key difference. The drums in the 2021 version had far more snap to them. I could particularly hear it in the kick drum. I reckon the clipping in the 2015 version has dulled the beat of the drums, whereas in the 2021 remaster they still sound nice and sharp.

After spending time with all three, the 2021 version is my favourite. Perfect volume balance, no clipping, plenty or snap in the drums, clearer vocals. The 2015 version isn’t bad by any means and has served me well for years, but the 2021 version is my go to copy now.


Edit: Sorry. About a dozen spelling errors.

[Edited 7/16/21 15:54pm]

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Reply #14 posted 07/16/21 4:19pm

JoeyCococo

Excellent!! I am sold and excited.
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Reply #15 posted 07/16/21 7:52pm

JoeyCococo

Oh man...wow. I just got it from HDTracks and I haven't even played it on my stereo (Benchmark DAC2, B&W CM10ss2, Classe SIgma AMP2, B&W DB4S Sub) but know full well this kicks the sh** out of the original cd. That original now seems like a heavy comforter is covering my speakers. To think how many more amazing remasters are coming....so excited!

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Reply #16 posted 07/16/21 8:20pm

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JoeyCococo said:

Oh man...wow. I just got it from HDTracks and I haven't even played it on my stereo (Benchmark DAC2, B&W CM10ss2, Classe SIgma AMP2, B&W DB4S Sub) but know full well this kicks the sh** out of the original cd. That original now seems like a heavy comforter is covering my speakers. To think how many more amazing remasters are coming....so excited!

Sonically a lot of early cd's were TRASH.

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Reply #17 posted 07/16/21 9:00pm

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Graycap23 said:

It's time the public tells these companies what 2 do with the single edits............

Yes, tell them to keep including them because they are an important part of the history of the albums.

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Reply #18 posted 07/16/21 9:08pm

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embmmusic said:

Graycap23 said:

It's time the public tells these companies what 2 do with the single edits............

Yes, tell them to keep including them because they are an important part of the history of the albums.

From where I'm stting, they are taking up space 2 make $$ rather than releasing new or unknown material.

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Reply #19 posted 07/17/21 2:35am

ThePersian

Bless you, VaultCurator. Thanks very much for this.

Much of what you have shown and said rings true of the audio profile for the mastering of those 1980-83 releases. Looks like a better job than was done on the SOTT remaster.

Hope you manage to get your headphone socket fixed!

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Reply #20 posted 07/17/21 3:07am

ElectricThighs

Graycap23 said:

embmmusic said:

Yes, tell them to keep including them because they are an important part of the history of the albums.

From where I'm stting, they are taking up space 2 make $$ rather than releasing new or unknown material.


I disagree that they're taking up space. They're added as an extra, and you're still getting everything else that you would have gotten had they not been included. On SOTT Super Deluxe, we got Vault Tracks I, II and III. If they hadn't included the single edits, do you really think a fourth set of vault tracks would have been included?

This is the third Time coloued vinyl reissue from the last few years. What Time is It? (I paid £20.18) and Ice Cream Castle (£24.99) contained just the album. This new reissue has a second disc of single edits and is selling for £21.26.



If we convince the record companies to stop giving us single edits, you know what they'll replace them with? Nothing. And for the same price. Some of us really do want them, so please can we stop complaining about the presence of the single edits and just ignore them if they're of no interest to you.

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Reply #21 posted 07/17/21 5:26am

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I'm loving how the new red & white vinyl sounds! Thanks RHINO for releasing this. And also happy that the remastered version is available on Spotify.

I hope that they release PANDEMONIUM next! I just discovered that they have the "Jerk Out" video on their YouTube https://www.youtube.com/w...givTqOZntc

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Reply #22 posted 07/17/21 7:56am

JoeyCococo

Does anyone understand how WB is able to release these remasters with little to no estate involvement? Would this conflict with the Estate focusing on the same albums?

I am all for WB continuing to re touch these old albums.
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Reply #23 posted 07/17/21 10:31am

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JoeyCococo said:

Does anyone understand how WB is able to release these remasters with little to no estate involvement?

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Because Prince was a bad business man who didn't get his shit in order.

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Reply #24 posted 07/17/21 4:46pm

JoeyCococo

Thanks Bart.

Does anyone understand a bit more? I am encouraged....if WB does remastes like this, I am ready with wallet open
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Reply #25 posted 07/18/21 6:13am

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ElectricThighs said:



Graycap23 said:




embmmusic said:



Yes, tell them to keep including them because they are an important part of the history of the albums.



From where I'm stting, they are taking up space 2 make $$ rather than releasing new or unknown material.




I disagree that they're taking up space. They're added as an extra, and you're still getting everything else that you would have gotten had they not been included. On SOTT Super Deluxe, we got Vault Tracks I, II and III. If they hadn't included the single edits, do you really think a fourth set of vault tracks would have been included?


This is the third Time coloued vinyl reissue from the last few years. What Time is It? (I paid £20.18) and Ice Cream Castle (£24.99) contained just the album. This new reissue has a second disc of single edits and is selling for £21.26.





If we convince the record companies to stop giving us single edits, you know what they'll replace them with? Nothing. And for the same price. Some of us really do want them, so please can we stop complaining about the presence of the single edits and just ignore them if they're of no interest to you.



Agreed - I’d certainly hope for example that if ATWIAD or Come ever get the deluxe vinyl reissue treatment, they don’t miss out the various maxi single versions from those. Haven’t given my reissue of this The Time debut a spin yet, but the dweeby-completist me is happy to have the extras.
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Reply #26 posted 07/18/21 6:58am

SoulAlive

I’ve been listening to it on Spotify.Sounds great!
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Reply #27 posted 07/18/21 10:55am

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ElectricThighs said:

Graycap23 said:

From where I'm stting, they are taking up space 2 make $$ rather than releasing new or unknown material.


I disagree that they're taking up space. They're added as an extra, and you're still getting everything else that you would have gotten had they not been included. On SOTT Super Deluxe, we got Vault Tracks I, II and III. If they hadn't included the single edits, do you really think a fourth set of vault tracks would have been included?

This is the third Time coloued vinyl reissue from the last few years. What Time is It? (I paid £20.18) and Ice Cream Castle (£24.99) contained just the album. This new reissue has a second disc of single edits and is selling for £21.26.



If we convince the record companies to stop giving us single edits, you know what they'll replace them with? Nothing. And for the same price. Some of us really do want them, so please can we stop complaining about the presence of the single edits and just ignore them if they're of no interest to you.

yeahthat

I agree. Some collectors (like me) are completists so we like to hear or own all the official stuff. Doesn't mean I'm going to listen to them regularly but I'm glad I've got them if I want to. It's quite obvious there are very few if any Time outtakes, if there were they would have leaked by now like the Vanity 6 second album ones. As far as new material, why would they add it to this release? Honestly... people complaining about the delxue editions not fitting on their record shelves or getting extra material on a re-release... whatever next???

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Reply #28 posted 07/19/21 4:56am

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Single edits are good for playlisting on streaming when you don't want all 8-10 minutes of a song on there, i'll never buy single edits on vinyl outside of the original single though.

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Reply #29 posted 07/19/21 5:17am

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Some people seem to forget that this wasn't planned as some super deluxe release. This was a "let's do something for Black Music Month; oh look, it's also the 30th of The Time, let's spend very little effort and add a bonus disc of edits" release.

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WBR also only have access to those edits, not to outtakes (if those even exist) or live recordings.

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That we're getting a remastered release on digital platforms was possibly never planned. The Sheila E re-release from a while back only got us this: https://www.youtube.com/w...HxpP5hRSDg ; same with Tevin Camplbell: https://www.youtube.com/w...1ixm3c7MM4 . Now at least we got a Hi-Res remaster, plus a HD version of the "Cool" video: https://www.youtube.com/w...5RwQ6d35wA.

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