RJOrion said:

Wendy & Lisa's music was trash...some of BrownMark's music is good, he just cant sing...but yeah, Andre' Cymone is the only one with good solo lp's, and his production work with Jody Watley was REALLY good ("Still A Thrill" especially)...

W&L's albums were really good - Eroica is amazing.
Their Girl Brothers records were also very strong, probably just not your taste since you liked Marks albums.

Zannaloaf said:

RJOrion said:

Wendy & Lisa's music was trash...some of BrownMark's music is good, he just cant sing...but yeah, Andre' Cymone is the only one with good solo lp's, and his production work with Jody Watley was REALLY good ("Still A Thrill" especially)...

W&L's albums were really good - Eroica is amazing.
Their Girl Brothers records were also very strong, probably just not your taste since you liked Marks albums.

Yes those albums area really good.

SoulAlive said:

Vannormal said:

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Well, in the beginning though ... ;

Chaka Kahn - I Feel For You

Bangles - Manic Monday

Sheila E - A Love Bizarre

Sinead O'connor - Nothing Compares 2 U

Sheena Easton - Sugar Walls

These were good songs and most of them did well.

...

To me, after the Jill Jones album,

somewhere in 1987, most protegées (basically all) went all downhill.

Because of the songs he gave them, and the bad mangement(s) I believe.

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I’ve noticed that,after the mid-80s or so,most of those female Prince protégés had a hard time getting airplay and success.Taja Sevelle,Jill Jones,Ingrid Chavez,Carmen Elektra,even Sheila E.It’s as if radio became bored with playing music from Prince’s women.It was kinda unfair.

No, I think it was a shift in style and genre. Prince himself struggled in the same vein.
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Taja Sevelle wasn't strongly known as a "Prince protege' I don't think she was in the same sense that Sheila E/Vanity 6 were. Prince did 2-3 songs on her album. But outside of that she wasn't connected to Prince's scene like Jill Jones was in 1982-1986

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Jill Jones struggled, because of timing placed on her album overall. Mia Bocca was a great song, if released in 1986 with Parade etc it might have been bigger (same with GSpot) She talked a lot about why she feels her album didn't go further. Mia Bocca also suffered from the Tipper Gore stain.
I think Jill Jones might have benefited more if she was connected to Prince's scene in 1987. As Prince wanted her to. But she turned that down.

Wendy & Lisa have been credited with 5 lps in their name...the last one released in 2008...the only single that ever appeared on a chart was "Waterfall" peaking at #56 from their debut lp in 1987...no other single or lp has appeared on any US charts since then, in America...and sales for their albums has been miniscule...so im obviously in the majority, when i say their music is and was, Trash...very disposable...the few people that bought their work, wouldve have never known who they were, if they werent Prince fans first and foremost..W&L have no musical identity of their own... they will always be known as "the two ladies from The Revolution"
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toots said:

Vannormal said:

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Wendy should do a solo record.

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Actually Lisa did do a solo record...if relaxing music with a bit of twist is ur genre then give it whirl otherwise dont listen to it if its not ur style..and yes i have it its very relaxing imho ...

Are you talking about Collage? I got that when it came out. It's one of my favorite albums to write to - although I'm not sure "album" is the best word to describe it. It's more a collection.

Genesia said:

toots said:

Vannormal said: Actually Lisa did do a solo record...if relaxing music with a bit of twist is ur genre then give it whirl otherwise dont listen to it if its not ur style..and yes i have it its very relaxing imho ...

Are you talking about Collage? I got that when it came out. It's one of my favorite albums to write to - although I'm not sure "album" is the best word to describe it. It's more a collection.

I love Collage.

Poplife88 said:

Genesia said:

Are you talking about Collage? I got that when it came out. It's one of my favorite albums to write to - although I'm not sure "album" is the best word to describe it. It's more a collection.

I love Collage.

It's Lisa noodling on the piano. Who wouldn't love that?

(That was a rhetorical question, by the way. Anyone who doesn't may feel free to fuck right off. I'm not talking to you, anyway.)

OldFriends4Sale said:

I agree that Jill’s album suffered from timing.It should have came out in early 1985,so that she could have benefitted from the Purple Rain hype.Her album was delayed too long and truthfully,songs like “G-Spot” and “All Day,All Night” sounded kinda dated by 1987.

Genesia said:

Yes i am talking about her album Collage.. i actually like listening to the piano and the "noodling" she does ..😊

toots said:

Genesia said:

Are you talking about Collage? I got that when it came out. It's one of my favorite albums to write to - although I'm not sure "album" is the best word to describe it. It's more a collection.

Yes i am talking about her album Collage.. i actually like listening to the piano and the "noodling" she does ..😊

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I just love her new album.

It's an album she should've done decades ago.

So happy she fiunally came to it.

Hope she keep on doing more solo music.

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I also like her online radio podcasts; musicLAB

She's got a very good taste of music :

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lisa-colemans-musiclab-podcast/id1497358816

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if Wendy & Lisa went on tour, the only people that would show up, are the 4 or 5 people that emotionally (and profanely) express their undying support for them.. .have they ever even toured their own music?...or are they just living off of "performing" Prince's catalog, after his death?

SoulAlive said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No, I think it was a shift in style and genre. Prince himself struggled in the same vein.
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Taja Sevelle wasn't strongly known as a "Prince protege' I don't think she was in the same sense that Sheila E/Vanity 6 were. Prince did 2-3 songs on her album. But outside of that she wasn't connected to Prince's scene like Jill Jones was in 1982-1986

.

Jill Jones struggled, because of timing placed on her album overall. Mia Bocca was a great song, if released in 1986 with Parade etc it might have been bigger (same with GSpot) She talked a lot about why she feels her album didn't go further. Mia Bocca also suffered from the Tipper Gore stain.
I think Jill Jones might have benefited more if she was connected to Prince's scene in 1987. As Prince wanted her to. But she turned that down.

I agree that Jill’s album suffered from timing.It should have came out in early 1985,so that she could have benefitted from the Purple Rain hype.Her album was delayed too long and truthfully,songs like “G-Spot” and “All Day,All Night” sounded kinda dated by 1987.

Yes, it is interesting how, G-SPOT released in 84/85 would have been electric cranking etc and still feel like that with continued listen in 86 87 88 -. But released outside of the time zone and it then sounds 'dated' almost. Still good, but

Vannormal said:

They used to have a radio show on the net too i was a part of we asked questions in chat and they would answer on the mic it was so cool ..this was about before the Winter Chimney album ..they would also talk about their tours when their first album came out while touring Germany ..sometimes they would also IM people in chat as well...Lisa had very encouraging words as well as Wendy when i was just cleared of cancer ( this was about the time she learned her mom was diagnosed sadly with cancer as well)

OldFriends4Sale said:

Exactly and in fact,the whole G-spot phenomenon was happening in 1983 when the song was recorded by 1987,it was already old news,lol

as for André Cymone....his 1985 ‘A/C’ album is excellent.It is mostly remembered for the Prince-written hit “The Dance Electric”,but I like the other songs too,especially “Pretty Wild Girl”,”Book Of Love” and my favorite, “Neon Pussycat” (which really should have been a single).

SoulAlive said:

as for André Cymone....his 1985 ‘A/C’ album is excellent.It is mostly remembered for the Prince-written hit “The Dance Electric”,but I like the other songs too,especially “Pretty Wild Girl”,”Book Of Love” and my favorite, “Neon Pussycat” (which really should have been a single).

Andre wasn't playing when he came out of the gate.

RJOrion said:

if Wendy & Lisa went on tour, the only people that would show up, are the 4 or 5 people that emotionally (and profanely) express their undying support for them.. .have they ever even toured their own music?...or are they just living off of "performing" Prince's catalog, after his death?

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Here we go again. Belittling artists you (personally) don't know or like.

sigh.

I've seen them several times live and i wish they toured more.

They just are the most wonderful people. Accessable and open.

Either you're too young to know, or to ignorant to understand how appreciated these two girls are in the music business. Still. Look it up.

No it's not a question of hate or love, but of appreciation.

Like, I don't like Celine Dion's music at all for example, but i don't hate her, or belittle her therefor.

Peace though.

Another thing, the music of Pirnce they perform likve as The Revolution is their own right.

They were a big part of the creation of the tunes of their era.

If you don't like it, that's ok. It's better to put your energy in something you like.

Again, peace.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

SoulAlive said:

Vannormal said: I’ve noticed that,after the mid-80s or so,most of those female Prince protégés had a hard time getting airplay and success.Taja Sevelle,Jill Jones,Ingrid Chavez,Carmen Elektra,even Sheila E.It’s as if radio became bored with playing music from Prince’s women.It was kinda unfair.

No, I think it was a shift in style and genre. Prince himself struggled in the same vein.
.
Taja Sevelle wasn't strongly known as a "Prince protege' I don't think she was in the same sense that Sheila E/Vanity 6 were. Prince did 2-3 songs on her album. But outside of that she wasn't connected to Prince's scene like Jill Jones was in 1982-1986

.

Jill Jones struggled, because of timing placed on her album overall. Mia Bocca was a great song, if released in 1986 with Parade etc it might have been bigger (same with GSpot) She talked a lot about why she feels her album didn't go further. Mia Bocca also suffered from the Tipper Gore stain.
I think Jill Jones might have benefited more if she was connected to Prince's scene in 1987. As Prince wanted her to. But she turned that down.

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I completely agree with you.

Personaly I think her album didn't suffer enough from the Tipper Gore stain, meaning, it would've gathered more attention imho.

She indeed turned down the connection with Prince later on.

Though she might've been locked in the Prince camp for another long time, with less or no results.

Prince's songwriting for his proteges at the time was mediocre to poor, like i said.

The songs recorded for her never finished second album for PP were not that memorable at all imho.

She did a short tour as opening act for Jody Whatley, but somehow it's sad that Paisley Park didn't do more to promote these great choice of singles from that fantastic first album.

Her first album should've been released through WB. Anyways.

Though overhere in Europe she did well with that record.

If you've never heard it, she did the vocals for a Ryuichi Sakamoto track ''You Do Me'', and that is absolutly great (as are the remixes)

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Vannormal said:

RJOrion said:

if Wendy & Lisa went on tour, the only people that would show up, are the 4 or 5 people that emotionally (and profanely) express their undying support for them.. .have they ever even toured their own music?...or are they just living off of "performing" Prince's catalog, after his death?

-

Here we go again. Belittling artists you (personally) don't know or like.

sigh.

I've seen them several times live and i wish they toured more.

They just are the most wonderful people. Accessable and open.

Either you're too young to know, or to ignorant to understand how appreciated these two girls are in the music business. Still. Look it up.

No it's not a question of hate or love, but of appreciation.

Like, I don't like Celine Dion's music at all for example, but i don't hate her, or belittle her therefor.

Peace though.

Another thing, the music of Pirnce they perform likve as The Revolution is their own right.

They were a big part of the creation of the tunes of their era.

If you don't like it, that's ok. It's better to put your energy in something you like.

Again, peace.

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U gotta ignore that stuff, there is something behind it

no reason to reason it

SoulAlive said:

as for André Cymone....his 1985 ‘A/C’ album is excellent.It is mostly remembered for the Prince-written hit “The Dance Electric”,but I like the other songs too,especially “Pretty Wild Girl”,”Book Of Love” and my favorite, “Neon Pussycat” (which really should have been a single).

Do you think Andre's album and Dance Electric mixed?

I still wish Prince & the Revolution released that one

maybe a stand alone release with 4 the Tears In Your Eyes on one side and Dance Electric on the other

OldFriends4Sale said:

SoulAlive said:

as for André Cymone....his 1985 ‘A/C’ album is excellent.It is mostly remembered for the Prince-written hit “The Dance Electric”,but I like the other songs too,especially “Pretty Wild Girl”,”Book Of Love” and my favorite, “Neon Pussycat” (which really should have been a single).

Do you think Andre's album and Dance Electric mixed?

I still wish Prince & the Revolution released that one

maybe a stand alone release with 4 the Tears In Your Eyes on one side and Dance Electric on the other

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Exactly !!!

I've been thinking that for years !

The song doesn't match the album to my likes either.

It's such a stunning pumpin' great Prince song.

It certainly has that thunderous driving funk speed, that only belongs to Prince, and The Revolution.

I can see Brownmark already slammin' the bass.

And indeed ''4 The Tears In Your Eyes'' would be a great B-side.

Always thought that too.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

yep...youre right...there is something behind it...its called "my opinion"...LOL...it takes a special kind of insecurity to think that because someone doesnt like something, or doesnt agree with something, that there has to be "something behind it"...i guess everyone is supposed to think like you do, or like what you like, huh?

L

Vannormal said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Do you think Andre's album and Dance Electric mixed?

I still wish Prince & the Revolution released that one

maybe a stand alone release with 4 the Tears In Your Eyes on one side and Dance Electric on the other

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Exactly !!!

I've been thinking that for years !

The song doesn't match the album to my likes either.

It's such a stunning pumpin' great Prince song.

It certainly has that thunderous driving funk speed, that only belongs to Prince, and The Revolution.

I can see Brownmark already slammin' the bass.

And indeed ''4 The Tears In Your Eyes'' would be a great B-side.

Always thought that too.

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We are talking the We Are the World event in the PMM forum, and it would have been a Rude Boy move for him to have released 4 the Tears In Your Eyes/Dance Electric seperately(along with it being on the WRTW album.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vannormal said:

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Exactly !!!

I've been thinking that for years !

The song doesn't match the album to my likes either.

It's such a stunning pumpin' great Prince song.

It certainly has that thunderous driving funk speed, that only belongs to Prince, and The Revolution.

I can see Brownmark already slammin' the bass.

And indeed ''4 The Tears In Your Eyes'' would be a great B-side.

Always thought that too.

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We are talking the We Are the World event in the PMM forum, and it would have been a Rude Boy move for him to have released 4 the Tears In Your Eyes/Dance Electric seperately(along with it being on the WRTW album.

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PMM forum ?

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RJOrion said:

Wendy & Lisa have been credited with 5 lps in their name...the last one released in 2008...the only single that ever appeared on a chart was "Waterfall" peaking at #56 from their debut lp in 1987...no other single or lp has appeared on any US charts since then, in America...and sales for their albums has been miniscule...so im obviously in the majority, when i say their music is and was, Trash...very disposable...the few people that bought their work, wouldve have never known who they were, if they werent Prince fans first and foremost..W&L have no musical identity of their own... they will always be known as "the two ladies from The Revolution" [Edited 4/28/21 7:56am]

Wow, I didn't even have to finish reading your entire post before you discredited yourself with inaccuracies. Thanks for doing that.

Wowugotit said:

here is what is accurate...their music is trash to my ears, eyes and brain...and theyve never had a hit record on their own...100%

RJOrion said:

Saw this movie this morning.
Prince facial expressions throughout the movie are priceless.
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