ThatWhiteDude said:

alphastreet said:

TrivialPursuit said: I think she really cared about him and probably has some regrets. I have a soft spot for her cause my cousin who’s a drummer worked with her recently and they keep in touch. It’s definitely not easy to get recognition in the industry as a female drummer, so I think she deserves a documentary

If she really cared about him, then why didn't she talk to the cops, we know that Kirk called her the night prince died. What was the call about? She literally stated in an interview after he died that she's gonna find out what happened, cried her eyes out. And it turns out she already knew something. Plus the sh*t she pulled with this symbol.

First, let me address alphastreet's comment, " It’s definitely not easy to get recognition in the industry as a female drummer, so I think she deserves a documentary." Being a female drummer doesn't make someone "deserve" a documentary. It's a thin argument that could be made about anyone or anything. She's not the only female drummer or percussionist. Prince has had what, 2 or 3 other female drummers in his bands over time? Female guitarists, bass players, keyboardists... do they all "deserve a documentary?" Nope. If someone wanted to do a doc about females in the music industry, that'd be something she could have a 10 minute spot in maybe.

To the other point: she's snakey like Kirk was about all this. It's one thing to try and protect Prince's legacy, but when you're dead on pills in a fucking elevator, you're - unfortunately - just another dead rock star strung out on drugs. Prince was a drug user, and Sheila and Kirk and anyone else tried to hide that. The truth is out, so Sheila's words about finding out what happened is bullshit. She walked into that funeral at Paisley Park like she was leading her entourage in a queen's court.

Maybe she didn't know because she wasn't around the last five or six years of his life. He shut her ass out for whatever reason. She made that big announcement on Twitter about never playing with Prince again, too.
At the end of April she was "what an emotional show!" "God is so wonderful." "Last night's show with Prince was unbeliveable." (She said the same in March.)

May 29, she said she wouldn't be performing with Prince that night or the next.

May 30, 2011: "I will not be performing with prince anymore. i thank u 4 ur support. blessings 2 u all."

Even in December 2010, she was saying she has no more scheduled shows with Prince. The shows "are done for now."

She has since deleted the tweets after years of it being up. But I have the screen shots!

The thing is, Sheila thinks way more about herself than most do at this point. She's an opportunist who has jumped on and appropriated every Prince element to make it her own, especially with that symbol bullshit. Even this doc is named "Girl Meets Boy," which is clearly a take on "U Got The Look"'s opening line, and a setup as some love affair above anything else. It's like she wanted to be Vanity, when Vanity & Prince used to talk about how they were each other's twin, etc. I never thought I'd have this attitude toward her, but she's dug this hole, no one else.

Sheila!

Yeah!

Have the quoir hit a long note...

Yeah any fans that are OK with this it's a huge double standard, because you trashed those REELZ documentaries and the Autopsy thing they did, but if you are ok with this how is that not BS. Would you be OK if Mayte did a story on the marriage and did a whole film with a look a like and phony NPG members acting in it, no we'd burn her at the stake most likely, look at all the shit Mayte got for truthful things she shares. I personally hate biopics sorry, I just do, when I hear they were doing one on prince they kept talking about who was doing it, personally they could get the best direction and production it's still going to half assed and cheesy, as good as people think things like Bohemain Rhapsody were and Rocketman, they both were not even close to being truthful. I'd prefer honest documents like Mystify the Michael Hutchence story, total honesty, The Bee Gees documentary one of the best ones ever done, my only complaint it should have been three hours but I get it tv does not want three hour shows. But sorry any biopic on Prince file it under crap.

SPYZFAN1 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

If she really cared about him, then why didn't she talk to the cops, we know that Kirk called her the night prince died. What was the call about? She literally stated in an interview after he died that she's gonna find out what happened, cried her eyes out. And it turns out she already knew something. Plus the sh*t she pulled with this symbol.

First, let me address alphastreet's comment, " It’s definitely not easy to get recognition in the industry as a female drummer, so I think she deserves a documentary." Being a female drummer doesn't make someone "deserve" a documentary. It's a thin argument that could be made about anyone or anything. She's not the only female drummer or percussionist. Prince has had what, 2 or 3 other female drummers in his bands over time? Female guitarists, bass players, keyboardists... do they all "deserve a documentary?" Nope. If someone wanted to do a doc about females in the music industry, that'd be something she could have a 10 minute spot in maybe.

To the other point: she's snakey like Kirk was about all this. It's one thing to try and protect Prince's legacy, but when you're dead on pills in a fucking elevator, you're - unfortunately - just another dead rock star strung out on drugs. Prince was a drug user, and Sheila and Kirk and anyone else tried to hide that. The truth is out, so Sheila's words about finding out what happened is bullshit. She walked into that funeral at Paisley Park like she was leading her entourage in a queen's court.

Maybe she didn't know because she wasn't around the last five or six years of his life. He shut her ass out for whatever reason. She made that big announcement on Twitter about never playing with Prince again, too.
At the end of April she was "what an emotional show!" "God is so wonderful." "Last night's show with Prince was unbeliveable." (She said the same in March.)

May 29, she said she wouldn't be performing with Prince that night or the next.

May 30, 2011: "I will not be performing with prince anymore. i thank u 4 ur support. blessings 2 u all."

Even in December 2010, she was saying she has no more scheduled shows with Prince. The shows "are done for now."

She has since deleted the tweets after years of it being up. But I have the screen shots!

The thing is, Sheila thinks way more about herself than most do at this point. She's an opportunist who has jumped on and appropriated every Prince element to make it her own, especially with that symbol bullshit. Even this doc is named "Girl Meets Boy," which is clearly a take on "U Got The Look"'s opening line, and a setup as some love affair above anything else. It's like she wanted to be Vanity, when Vanity & Prince used to talk about how they were each other's twin, etc. I never thought I'd have this attitude toward her, but she's dug this hole, no one else.

Well said.

Let's not forget how she tried to influence Judith Hill to stay quiet and they could 'lawyer' her up if needed.

^That's something that I'll never forget or forgive her for....for those doubters who don't believe it, it's all in the police reports.

Most of these biopics are superficial and leave out anything controversial.

I think it's a bad idea, mostly beacause the recent-ish movie biopics that have come out have been cheesy, shallow, and lame. Giving Prince "the Hollywood treatment" would kind of suck because it wouldn't do him justice.

As far as Shelia not being trustworthy or whatever, I think there are a lot of people who are really harsh on the women that Prince collaborated with most closely. I think Shelia sees things a certain way, and she has every right to communicate that. Shelia's life was intertwined with Prince's more than most of his bandmates and lovers even. And even if she didn't want it, people will always associate her with him. That story is hers to tell, and if people have a problem with it. So what.

TrivialPursuit said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

If she really cared about him, then why didn't she talk to the cops, we know that Kirk called her the night prince died. What was the call about? She literally stated in an interview after he died that she's gonna find out what happened, cried her eyes out. And it turns out she already knew something. Plus the sh*t she pulled with this symbol.

First, let me address alphastreet's comment, " It’s definitely not easy to get recognition in the industry as a female drummer, so I think she deserves a documentary." Being a female drummer doesn't make someone "deserve" a documentary. It's a thin argument that could be made about anyone or anything. She's not the only female drummer or percussionist. Prince has had what, 2 or 3 other female drummers in his bands over time? Female guitarists, bass players, keyboardists... do they all "deserve a documentary?" Nope. If someone wanted to do a doc about females in the music industry, that'd be something she could have a 10 minute spot in maybe.

To the other point: she's snakey like Kirk was about all this. It's one thing to try and protect Prince's legacy, but when you're dead on pills in a fucking elevator, you're - unfortunately - just another dead rock star strung out on drugs. Prince was a drug user, and Sheila and Kirk and anyone else tried to hide that. The truth is out, so Sheila's words about finding out what happened is bullshit. She walked into that funeral at Paisley Park like she was leading her entourage in a queen's court.

Maybe she didn't know because she wasn't around the last five or six years of his life. He shut her ass out for whatever reason. She made that big announcement on Twitter about never playing with Prince again, too.
At the end of April she was "what an emotional show!" "God is so wonderful." "Last night's show with Prince was unbeliveable." (She said the same in March.)

May 29, she said she wouldn't be performing with Prince that night or the next.

May 30, 2011: "I will not be performing with prince anymore. i thank u 4 ur support. blessings 2 u all."

Even in December 2010, she was saying she has no more scheduled shows with Prince. The shows "are done for now."

She has since deleted the tweets after years of it being up. But I have the screen shots!

The thing is, Sheila thinks way more about herself than most do at this point. She's an opportunist who has jumped on and appropriated every Prince element to make it her own, especially with that symbol bullshit. Even this doc is named "Girl Meets Boy," which is clearly a take on "U Got The Look"'s opening line, and a setup as some love affair above anything else. It's like she wanted to be Vanity, when Vanity & Prince used to talk about how they were each other's twin, etc. I never thought I'd have this attitude toward her, but she's dug this hole, no one else.

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Some friend told me it's the drama of a latino woman. He also said that if they don't get what they want, they can get pretty tight in a barrel of contradictions. My friend is a latino.

(And no, i'm not targetting latino's, it is not my opinion. For years i've had a relationship with one, so don't bashme for that.)

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Whatever happened, she remains a great drummer !

Certainly for what she all brought to the camp in 1987-1988, and also before that.

I still love Sheila for her enormous talent and skills.

For whatever she said afterwards, or did, I prefer to keep my opinion to myself.

There is no (real) need to bash any protégé in public, I believe.

(Again, my personlal opinion).

I guess not one of us was there to know all the facts for what actually was going on between both of them.

Regardless of what she said, claimed or or did later on.

It's simply not up to me to judge people i've never met or not know personally.

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Do I like this idea of a movie ? Not really, but I would want to see it if it gets released.

A documentary like some here say would be a much better idea.

A good documentary, with lots of unseen footage, info etc.

I'm sure she can be of some great help for that.

Then again, if she wants to do this, let us judge after it is made.

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[Edited 1/28/21 3:48am]

TrivialPursuit said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

If she really cared about him, then why didn't she talk to the cops, we know that Kirk called her the night prince died. What was the call about? She literally stated in an interview after he died that she's gonna find out what happened, cried her eyes out. And it turns out she already knew something. Plus the sh*t she pulled with this symbol.

First, let me address alphastreet's comment, " It’s definitely not easy to get recognition in the industry as a female drummer, so I think she deserves a documentary." Being a female drummer doesn't make someone "deserve" a documentary. It's a thin argument that could be made about anyone or anything. She's not the only female drummer or percussionist. Prince has had what, 2 or 3 other female drummers in his bands over time? Female guitarists, bass players, keyboardists... do they all "deserve a documentary?" Nope. If someone wanted to do a doc about females in the music industry, that'd be something she could have a 10 minute spot in maybe.

To the other point: she's snakey like Kirk was about all this. It's one thing to try and protect Prince's legacy, but when you're dead on pills in a fucking elevator, you're - unfortunately - just another dead rock star strung out on drugs. Prince was a drug user, and Sheila and Kirk and anyone else tried to hide that. The truth is out, so Sheila's words about finding out what happened is bullshit. She walked into that funeral at Paisley Park like she was leading her entourage in a queen's court.

Maybe she didn't know because she wasn't around the last five or six years of his life. He shut her ass out for whatever reason. She made that big announcement on Twitter about never playing with Prince again, too.
At the end of April she was "what an emotional show!" "God is so wonderful." "Last night's show with Prince was unbeliveable." (She said the same in March.)

May 29, she said she wouldn't be performing with Prince that night or the next.

May 30, 2011: "I will not be performing with prince anymore. i thank u 4 ur support. blessings 2 u all."

Even in December 2010, she was saying she has no more scheduled shows with Prince. The shows "are done for now."

She has since deleted the tweets after years of it being up. But I have the screen shots!

The thing is, Sheila thinks way more about herself than most do at this point. She's an opportunist who has jumped on and appropriated every Prince element to make it her own, especially with that symbol bullshit. Even this doc is named "Girl Meets Boy," which is clearly a take on "U Got The Look"'s opening line, and a setup as some love affair above anything else. It's like she wanted to be Vanity, when Vanity & Prince used to talk about how they were each other's twin, etc. I never thought I'd have this attitude toward her, but she's dug this hole, no one else.

Couldn't have said it any better.

alphastreet said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

If she really cared about him, then why didn't she talk to the cops, we know that Kirk called her the night prince died. What was the call about? She literally stated in an interview after he died that she's gonna find out what happened, cried her eyes out. And it turns out she already knew something. Plus the sh*t she pulled with this symbol.

Had no idea about that. So what did they suspect, foul play?

I don't think it was about foul play. It's just that sheila acted like she wasn't in the know, but one of the first people Kirky called was her. dude called a whole bunch of people before the medics were called. Plus, as penny stated, she told Judith Hill to lawyer up. Wouldn't have said that either if she truly wasn't in the know.

Sheila, IMO, thinks more highly of her place in musical pop culture than the general public does.

This biopic will come and go.

She has conducted herself poorly post-Prince's death; she seems so recognition-hungry.

Had it not been for Prince, Sheila would have spent her life as a session musician.

Genesia said:

Had it not been for Prince, Sheila would have spent her life as a session musician.

And would've been just as happy. By her own words, she never wanted to be a front woman, or a solo artist anyway. Now she seems to be eating up the frontman position more than ever.

Margot said:

Sheila, IMO, thinks more highly of her place in musical pop culture than the general public does.

This biopic will come and go.

She has conducted herself poorly post-Prince's death; she seems so recognition-hungry.

See, I think she deserves recognition. Her going after it is better than Prince's women bandmates and collaborators who are afraid to speak plainly beacuse they get browbeaten by the misogynist element of Prince's fanbase.

SPYZFAN1 said:

JudasLChrist said:

Margot said:

Sheila, IMO, thinks more highly of her place in musical pop culture than the general public does.

This biopic will come and go.

She has conducted herself poorly post-Prince's death; she seems so recognition-hungry.

See, I think she deserves recognition. Her going after it is better than Prince's women bandmates and collaborators who are afraid to speak plainly beacuse they get browbeaten by the misogynist element of Prince's fanbase.

^^this

MendesCity said:

JudasLChrist said:

See, I think she deserves recognition. Her going after it is better than Prince's women bandmates and collaborators who are afraid to speak plainly beacuse they get browbeaten by the misogynist element of Prince's fanbase.

^^this

I feel she is talented but has used association w/Prince too much.I am a woman.

Never going to happen. Sorry folks, but no. I mean who is financing this? For TV? What network?

Not going to happen.

v10letblues said:

Never going to happen. Sorry folks, but no. I mean who is financing this? For TV? What network?

Not going to happen.

I wouldn't be surprised if it does happen. Not that I want it to. Sheila is pretty connected in Hollywood. My guess is that it will be low budget and air on some cable network like Lifetime or BET. Wendy Williams and Salt N Pepa TV movies just aired so I'm sure Sheila can sell a Prince biopic.

v10letblues said:

Never going to happen. Sorry folks, but no. I mean who is financing this? For TV? What network?

Not going to happen.

You don't know that. Lifetime, Hallmark, BET, TV One anyone could finance it. Sponsors of a network are part of these things, plus the money the network itself puts up, plus any executive producer procuring funds. Plus you have production companies that exist just for this sort of thing.

Not that I'm rooting her on or anything.

..Then there are music rights and royalties. Imagine a Lifetime movie without the actual music? And to get on Lifetime they would need to play up the melodrama to 11

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It may seem I do not like Sheila or the prospect of a great biopic, quite the contrary. I love Sheila and I love musical biopics, but even major biopics are few and far between becasue of how difficult they are to produce and how viable they are in the market even with the biggest and greatest of stars.

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I'll believe it when i see it.

jfenster said:

There should be one for all his women...call it .."If these sugar walls could talk"

THAT PART!!!!! Or maybe "Sex Shooter"

v10letblues said:

Margot said:

MendesCity said:

JudasLChrist said:

See, I think she deserves recognition. Her going after it is better than Prince's women bandmates and collaborators who are afraid to speak plainly beacuse they get browbeaten by the misogynist element of Prince's fanbase.

^^this

I feel she is talented but has used association w/Prince too much.I am a woman.

I'm not accusing you of anything, Margot. You are one of the more thoughtful posters on the.org. But women are some of the biggest culprits when it comes to the kind of browbeating I was referring to.

Muscians need to hustle. Especially since Spotify and all the corporate platforms have stolen all the money from artists, and there really isn't much of an industry anymore. I don't agree that Shelia has overused her association. What I think is that, based on the intense labor that she has given to Prince's work, is that she has a right to make those associations. I believe that is the case for other bandmates, and close collaborators as well. Fammy fams could be more forgiving, give people the benefit of the doubt, etc...

Things that bother me are when the estate opens up Paisley for tours in the middle of pandemic. Not when bandmates try and tell their stories, or get jobs as musical directors.

alphastreet said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

If she really cared about him, then why didn't she talk to the cops, we know that Kirk called her the night prince died. What was the call about? She literally stated in an interview after he died that she's gonna find out what happened, cried her eyes out. And it turns out she already knew something. Plus the sh*t she pulled with this symbol.

Had no idea about that. So what did they suspect, foul play?

All of the inner circle, including Sheila, knows what went on.

JudasLChrist said:

Margot said:

I feel she is talented but has used association w/Prince too much.I am a woman.

I'm not accusing you of anything, Margot. You are one of the more thoughtful posters on the.org. But women are some of the biggest culprits when it comes to the kind of browbeating I was referring to.

Muscians need to hustle. Especially since Spotify and all the corporate platforms have stolen all the money from artists, and there really isn't much of an industry anymore. I don't agree that Shelia has overused her association. What I think is that, based on the intense labor that she has given to Prince's work, is that she has a right to make those associations. I believe that is the case for other bandmates, and close collaborators as well. Fammy fams could be more forgiving, give people the benefit of the doubt, etc...

Things that bother me are when the estate opens up Paisley for tours in the middle of pandemic. Not when bandmates try and tell their stories, or get jobs as musical directors.

I see your point.

Just stop, Prince would not have approved and you know this Sheila. Have some self respect

MendesCity said:

tab32792 said:

Most of all these 80's associates present alternative facts and yet nobody says anything. Sheila E or Mayte do something, and this so called fan community is ready to burn them at the stake.

naww, most people where the same with Sheila. She just pushes so much since 2016

Lemon Cake anyone

and Prince would not want any of these unrleased songs coming out