https://www.musictech.net...ty-prince/

They do give Prince credit for teaching them some stuff...technical stuff mostly. Still no credit for any musical or cultural influence from him. But oh well. It's actually a good thoughtful article though.

I'm starting to lose respect for them. Seriously I'm waiting for the day they claim that they created Prince. All their interviews are so self centered, it's ridiculous.

It IS a Wendy & Lisa Interview!! And from what I've read, they give all the Props in the World to Prince (like "Going to College") and what They've learned by working w/Him. I thought it was a cool read. It really WASN'T a "get some dirt on the Prince Years" Piece. It was a Wendy & Lisa in THESE dayz & timez Piece!!!

My mind has changed a bit on them...before, I felt they were trying hard to insert themselves into greater prominence in the Prince orbit. Now, I do understand that they would feel 'broken hearted' when they saw a mere 'thanks' on the SOTT album. I know they put more work into it all and kept mainly quiet for the last 30 years. That was out of respect for Prince. Now, I see them trying a little harder to ensure we know that they had more influence then most would believe. I don't doubt their influence on a young Prince...no way. The albums ATWIAD, Parade and SOTT are amazing and different when compared to his entire catalogue. I believe Prince was a musical chameleon...he changed with what ever environment he was in and made something unique and amazing within it. I really think that if was open to playing or working closely with someone like Herbie Hancock or Miles Davis, we would have seen something totally unique come of it b/c Prince was so unique.

If that is not enough, I would just point to Wendy and Lisa's albums themselves. Fruit at the BOttom is easily their most fantastic....you know why???? It is simple, it has the greatest Prince influence. I LOVED Eroica but all these years later, I have to say, Fruit was the best.

Now, I can reel off many many many great Prince albums all absent of any W&L involvement. My point, Prince was the gold...not the other way around.

The ladies deserve credit and they are getting some. If it were fair and the estate did not focus on jus tthis one brief period of his career, people like Sonny T/Michael B would get a lot of credit as they were hugely influential on his sound from the 90s forward. Rhonda Smith too....what about Eric Leeds??!?!?!? Many were in his orbit, made an impact and moved on. Prince absorbed it (like the Borg) and kept going. This dude was a genius...nothing more to say.

Shannon319 said:

https://www.musictech.net...ty-prince/

They do give Prince credit for teaching them some stuff...technical stuff mostly. Still no credit for any musical or cultural influence from him. But oh well. It's actually a good thoughtful article though.

If they talked about his musical or cultural influence but not the technical stuff you'd be complaining about that.

JoeyCococo said:

My mind has changed a bit on them...before, I felt they were trying hard to insert themselves into greater prominence in the Prince orbit. Now, I do understand that they would feel 'broken hearted' when they saw a mere 'thanks' on the SOTT album. I know they put more work into it all and kept mainly quiet for the last 30 years. That was out of respect for Prince. Now, I see them trying a little harder to ensure we know that they had more influence then most would believe. I don't doubt their influence on a young Prince...no way. The albums ATWIAD, Parade and SOTT are amazing and different when compared to his entire catalogue. I believe Prince was a musical chameleon...he changed with what ever environment he was in and made something unique and amazing within it. I really think that if was open to playing or working closely with someone like Herbie Hancock or Miles Davis, we would have seen something totally unique come of it b/c Prince was so unique.

If that is not enough, I would just point to Wendy and Lisa's albums themselves. Fruit at the BOttom is easily their most fantastic....you know why???? It is simple, it has the greatest Prince influence. I LOVED Eroica but all these years later, I have to say, Fruit was the best.

Now, I can reel off many many many great Prince albums all absent of any W&L involvement. My point, Prince was the gold...not the other way around.

The ladies deserve credit and they are getting some. If it were fair and the estate did not focus on jus tthis one brief period of his career, people like Sonny T/Michael B would get a lot of credit as they were hugely influential on his sound from the 90s forward. Rhonda Smith too....what about Eric Leeds??!?!?!? Many were in his orbit, made an impact and moved on. Prince absorbed it (like the Borg) and kept going. This dude was a genius...nothing more to say.

I have always reserved some level of skepticm about Wendy and Lisa ever since they leveraged their fictional big screen depictions in the Purple Rain film to build the narrative of them being some kind of indispensable gurus for Prince. (so I must call bullshit on the theory that they downplayed some great contribution to SOTT for 30 years - they let people think they actually co wrote Purple Rain like their characters in the movie). It has been plain since they left Prince that Wendy and Lisa - or most pointedly, Wendy - have aggressively inserted themselves with an exaggerated and heightened sense of relevance in the Prince universe. It has always irritated me because the media runs to Wendy, Lisa, and now it seems Peggy as the white woman coalition that is most responsible for his most brilliant career peaks of the 80s - moreso than people who knew and worked with him longer and in more substantial roles. Look at the first 3 episodes of the SOTT podcast - they are Wendy and Lisa shows.

Wendy and Lisa post-Prince work is good but is not indicative of what they claim they meant to Prince's work. I like the examples of Sonny T and Michael B an Eric Leeds that you cited - I believe Dez DIckerson gets far too underplayed and Morris Hayes is more important than all of them just based on longevity alone.

But as you said, it has been proven time and again that when it is all said and done, PRINCE was the gold. Period.

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it's funny that in a thread about an interview about Wendy & Lisa's music career after Prince, where they first go out of their way to give props to Prince and then talk about everything that came after, where Prince did not take any active part, that there are still the same moans whenever the ladies are mentioned.

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I guess it's hard to understand that Prince's creativity was always on and always got as much out of the people around him as he could. Wendy, Lisa, Eric and later Levi and very, very few others stand out as being allowed to co-create with him *in the studio*. He'd jam with bands and record, but he'd be there. With some, he gave them something that he didn't have quite finished or took ideas they were working on to work independently on music. I don't understand how mentioning that these few people stand out in Prince's career is so controversial that some people always need to put their contributions down. It's not like it makes Prince better if he never trusted anyone else musically. (see what happened to his music when he closed himself off... still great, he's still Prince, but less magical)

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Anyway, Lisa and Wendy are amazing, although I wish they'd be more focused on songs and their own albums.