violetcrush said:

Cat said nothing else negative about Sheila, and only discussed the “non-engagement” because she was specifically asked about it. If not asked it would not have been mentioned at all.

Are we talking about the same interview linked in this thread?

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lavendardrummachine said:

violetcrush said:

Cat said nothing else negative about Sheila, and only discussed the “non-engagement” because she was specifically asked about it. If not asked it would not have been mentioned at all.

Are we talking about the same interview linked in this thread?

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The recent interview Cat did with Prince Podcast is the one I am referencing. It was a long interview, so she may have mentioned other things inolving working with Sheila, but I recall her mainly discussing how she met Prince, how she began working with him, stories about David Bowie and Michael Jackson, her friendship with Ingrid and Bonnie Boyer, the story about Susannah and Prince, and her life after leaving the Prince camp.

lavendardrummachine said:

violetcrush said:

Cat said nothing else negative about Sheila, and only discussed the “non-engagement” because she was specifically asked about it. If not asked it would not have been mentioned at all.

Are we talking about the same interview linked in this thread?

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https://prince.org/msg/5/...?&pg=1 yeah reply 9


The Appollonia - Sheila E situation is what this thread is all about. But folks tend to get off kilter and side track with other banter that has nothing to do with the topic. All they do is gossip about folks they don't know on a personal level.

Thread will get the soon. Getting off topic.

GaryMF said:

RJOrion said:

GaryMF said: what lyric(s) in Condition Of The Heart is about Wendy?

There was a woman from the ghetto
Who made funny faces just like
Clara Bow, how was I to know
That she would wear the same
Cologne as you and giggle the same
Giggle that you do?

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Wendy was known to make faces at P and try to crack him up. Susannah, as her twin, would have the same laugh as Wendy.

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it's a bit subtle, but it fits. i remember thinking that myself and then years later reading somewhere the same interpretation.

The song is about his love for Susannah. Prince told Wendy she reminded him of Clara Bow with her facial expressions and personality (think Kiss video opening), which is possibly why he had Wendy on the cover of ATWIAD dressed like Clara Bow. Susannah is the girl in the ballet slippers playing the Violin - I'm sure y'all know this already, but the song is definitely about Prince's feelings for Susannah.

luv4u said:

lavendardrummachine said:

Are we talking about the same interview linked in this thread?

[Edited 4/26/20 15:32pm]

https://prince.org/msg/5/...?&pg=1 yeah reply 9


The Appollonia - Sheila E situation is what this thread is all about. But folks tend to get off kilter and side track with other banter that has nothing to do with the topic. All they do is gossip about folks they don't know on a personal level.

Thread will get the soon. Getting off topic.

I get that, however, there end up being "side bar" conversations as a result of discussing another associate who was directly involved with the subject of the post (ie: Sheila working with Cat and any comments Cat has made about Sheila) - so at certain points the dialogue morphs into other connected areas. The "heshe" comment progressed into the sexuality discussion, which moved into the "engagement" dicusssion, which side barred into other relationships of Prince's during that time. All indirectly related to Sheila and some of the things Appollonia stated.

violetcrush said:

RJOrion said:

violetcrush said:

lavendardrummachine said:

Are we talking about the same interview linked in this thread?

[Edited 4/26/20 15:32pm]

The recent interview Cat did with Prince Podcast is the one I am referencing. It was a long interview, so she may have mentioned other things inolving working with Sheila, but I recall her mainly discussing how she met Prince, how she began working with him, stories about David Bowie and Michael Jackson, her friendship with Ingrid and Bonnie Boyer, the story about Susannah and Prince, and her life after leaving the Prince camp.

Yeah I'm not sure we're talking about the same interview. This one is mainly replyng to the Lemon Cake talk.

Reposting from reply #237 https://www.youtube.com/w...OQYsdZM7eI

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violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

Ya'll tripping. Gimme a sec. Lemme go find where SUSAN ROGERS talked about how Prince called and told Susannah that he didn't wanna be in a committed relationship with her no more and told her she had to leave his house because he didn't wanna be in a committed relationship with anyone. Then moved her out to a rented apartment where he continued to see her on HIS TERMS, until she got fed up and left.

This is old news. It's on page 196 in DMSR (pdf). Told by Susan Rogers. So what if he continued to mess around with her for a while longer? He did that with a few of the other ladies he dated back then. He'd already told her he didn't wanna be in a committed relationship, calling off the engagement. That's on her if she wanted to continue to let him play her. Why would she still continue to see him after he moved her out and told her he didn't wanna be in a committed relationship?

When he went out to LA to allegedly chase after her for two months, did he try to win her back by telling her he was ready to get married now so she should come back to MN with him??? Hell no. No marriage happened. As you pointed out, he just continued to see her on his terms until it fizzled without having to commit and marry her. Bottom line, dude didn't wanna marry her.
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Susannah herself, during her second detailed interview with Toure, explained that PRINCE told her he wasn’t ready to live with someone, so Susannah moved to the round Apt building (as described in his song Big Tall Wall about her) however she stated she continued to have the SAME relationship with him - just not living in the house with him.
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Susannah also confirmed that Prince absolutely tried to convince her to move back to MN with him - detailing one of his many attempts where he parked in front of her house, had Gilbert go in to bring her out, and would not leave until she talked to him. I’d say that was a concerted effort by a guy who often went through women like he went through outfits.
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It does not matter whether or not Prince was telling her he wanted to resume their engagement - although I’m sure he was pulling out any promise that would change her mind - Susannah WAS NOT getting back into a serious relationship with him. She stated she was done. She couldn’t do it anymore whether she still loved him or not. However, the fact that Prince - within a few months - was flying her to Europe to be with him - clearly demonstrates that he wanted her with him. All you have to do is understand the songs - FIML, Wally, Come Home and more to get his feelings for her. His songs did not lie.
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Sorry, but it seems very plausible that Prince DID NOT propose to Sheila. We have Cat’s very clear statement plus now 5 other prior associates who are speaking out about Sheila’s fabrications and takeover of all things Prince related. Cat said nothing else negative about Sheila, and only discussed the “non-engagement” because she was specifically asked about it. If not asked it would not have been mentioned at all. So, any negative feelings had nothing to do with that information.
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Hopefully, there will be some type of record that comes out to confirm or deny the story.

icecreamcastle777 said:

TurnItUp said:

purplethunder3121 said:

GaryMF said:

violetcrush said:

rogifan said:

Ottensen said:

TurnItUp said:

rogifan said:

So people like Cat just because she spills tea?

I don't after what I heard on podcastjuice.net. I wish Cat would go back into hiding. We hadn't heard from her in years. Now when she speaks, she talks too damn much! She wants to overtalk you and that interview, she has a foul mouth!

I cannot lie. After hearing Cat's podcast interviews I was equally horrified, tickled, delighted, and turned off. Her personality is so big she just inspires all of those feelings simultaneously

Ottensen said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

violetcrush said:

You do realize that Prince buying Susannah a 6 carat ring and organizing a Paris proposal but then saying he was “not serious” about marrying her are completely contradictory, right?? In general, for any man, it stands to reason that they will not spend thousands (in this case hundreds of thousands) on a ring and extravagant proposal unless they are seriously contemplating marriage.
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Regardless of whether or not Prince changed his mind about being ready for marriage he must certainly had the intention when he gave Susannah the ring and proposed to her.
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And yes, I absolutely co-signed on the post about Susannah leaving Prince - because she DID LEAVE HIM. They were still in a relationship several months after she moved out of Galpin, and also when she finally left MN. Listen to his song Come Home. It tells the story. All of his songs do.
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Not sure why any of this is so hard for you to accept.

Since my point was that Prince was the one who called off the engagement with her, not sure why you keep bringing up how long they continued messing around with each other, or how he proposed, and the price of the ring, yada yada yada (which I highly doubt was hundreds of thousands of dollars, since 6 Carat ranges from anywhere between 10k and 150k.) But ok...

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

Since my point was that Prince was the one who called off the engagement with her, not sure why you keep bringing up how long they continued messing around with each other, or how he proposed, and the price of the ring, yada yada yada (which I highly doubt was hundreds of thousands of dollars, since 6 Carat ranges from anywhere between 10k and 150k.) But ok...

Actually, you’ve been consistent in stating that Prince “never intended to marry Susannah.” Completely illogical statement based on the fact that he bought her the ring, and planned a Paris proposal.
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So, let’s play this out your way:
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Prince: “Eh, I really dig Susannah, but I know I’m never gonna marry her. Aw, what the heck, I’ll go ahead and set up the surprise ring appt at Vancleef and Arpel , fly her to NY to buy her a SIX carat white diamond, then off to Paris for a week alone together where I propose to her on the balcony of our hotel. And you know, while I’m at it, I’ll go ahead and plan and decorate my permanent MN residence with her where we’ll live together.”


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Yeah sure, that makes total sense.
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Oh, and the diamond price for a decent stone in the mid 1980’s was about $11,000 PER CARAT, so that would put Susannah’s diamond in at least $70K range for an average stone. Considering Prince NEVER accepted “average” for anything he did - and the fact that Susannah stated he spent a “shit-ton” of money - I would say the price was well above that for a high end stone from a high end jewelry store in Manhattan. He didn’t take her to Jared’s for cripe’s sake.

Ottensen said:

. Patty can slice it and dice it any way she wants, but she so-called "outed" Sheila with a homophobic/transphobic label meant as a pejorative and intended to damage. That is flat out foul, and says more about her core than it does about whatever Sheila has chosen to do in her bedroom as a consenting adult.

Yeah things take a strange turn there. Considering the statements Prince was making about sexuality during the 80's, and how he used things like bisexuality, or gender, it's particularly strange to nonsensical. It's like clowning Prince and te era they're all still eating off of.

luv4u said:

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Eric Leeds

1tSlu3p mounusaisonsiredfg ·

I've been reading with interest the "conversations" regarding my dear friends Sheila E. and LeRoy Bennett and their baking of Prince's favorite desert, lemon cake. It's little known that ALL of us were required, back in the day, to be able to make this confection for him. Page 13, paragraph four, subsection 2B of my employment agreement with PRN, from the late 80's, reads " Pursuant to this agreement, the party known as the Employee, shall be required to be familiar with the recipe for the confection known as lemon cake, and be able to make such cake at the request of the party known as the Employer
(i.e. Prince Rogers Nelson)."

Prince asked me only once to make the lemon cake for him.
By happenstance it was the week of Passover, either 1987 or 88, if I remember. So I decided it might be nice to have the cakes blessed by a rabbi for the occasion, after which I proudly presented Prince with my Lemon Kosher Cakes.
As it turns out, he liked them so much that for awhile, he actually considered converting to Judaism. As a result, somewhere in the infamous "vault" is a remake of his famous song "The Cross" (from Sign O' The Times) with somewhat altered lyrics and re-titled ...... "The Nosh".........

I'm only on page 6 of reading this fascinating thread but I just couldn't get past this without

icecreamcastle777 said:

violetcrush said:

Actually, you’ve been consistent in stating that Prince “never intended to marry Susannah.” Completely illogical statement based on the fact that he bought her the ring, and planned a Paris proposal. * So, let’s play this out your way: * Prince: “Eh, I really dig Susannah, but I know I’m never gonna marry her. Aw, what the heck, I’ll go ahead and set up the surprise ring appt at Vancleef and Arpel , fly her to NY to buy her a SIX carat white diamond, then off to Paris for a week alone together where I propose to her on the balcony of our hotel. And you know, while I’m at it, I’ll go ahead and plan and decorate my permanent MN residence with her where we’ll live together.” * Yeah sure, that makes total sense. * Oh, and the diamond price for a decent stone in the mid 1980’s was about $11,000 PER CARAT, so that would put Susannah’s diamond in at least $70K range for an average stone. Considering Prince NEVER accepted “average” for anything he did - and the fact that Susannah stated he spent a “shit-ton” of money - I would say the price was well above that for a high end stone from a high end jewelry store in Manhattan. He didn’t take her to Jared’s for cripe’s sake.

Girl Plueeze. You doing too much. She was supposedly his "cherished fiancé", and a rich dude like that, all he was willing to pay her was $200 a week to be in The Family, but yet you trying to convince people he bought her an engagement ring for hundreds and thousands of dollars?? You need to have several seats with that. If girl had a ring for hundreds of thousands of dollars on hand she wouldn't of been desperately begging Prince for money on Facebook. Girl would a been straight... [Edited 4/27/20 12:52pm]

Um, you don't seem to realize the etiquette that is typically followed when an engagement ends. You don't keep the ring - if you're a decent person. Susannah did not keep the ring. She gave it back to him.

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Even if she had kept the ring, do you really think 100-200K would last 40+ years?? Maybe if she were a savvy investor, however, musicians are typically not finance wizzes. That amount of money can easily be spent in one year's time.

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So you think that's all Susannah got is $200 per week? Yep, that was the standard paycheck for PP employees, however, Susannah also enjoyed all of the perks that went along with being on Prince's arm - nice clothes, trips, limos, recording credits, meeting Joni Mitchell ( a bday gift from Prince for her and Wendy), award shows, lavish parties, and no doubt his credit card whenever she desired. It's been well documented that Prince spoiled his woman with the material things when they were with him, and he had the millions to do it.

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And "Girl Pleeeeze" - you sure love doing the "fake news" bits when it comes to Susannah. SHE did not post the GoFundMe page on FB. A good friend of hers posted it on her behalf. PRINCE contacted Bobby to get her phone number. SHE never contacted him. PRINCE arranged to loan her the money she needed when she was not receiving the child support from her ex. So, now you my dear, need to take several seats....

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

luv4u said:

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Eric Leeds

1tSlu3p mounusaisonsiredfg ·

I've been reading with interest the "conversations" regarding my dear friends Sheila E. and LeRoy Bennett and their baking of Prince's favorite desert, lemon cake. It's little known that ALL of us were required, back in the day, to be able to make this confection for him. Page 13, paragraph four, subsection 2B of my employment agreement with PRN, from the late 80's, reads " Pursuant to this agreement, the party known as the Employee, shall be required to be familiar with the recipe for the confection known as lemon cake, and be able to make such cake at the request of the party known as the Employer
(i.e. Prince Rogers Nelson)."

Prince asked me only once to make the lemon cake for him.
By happenstance it was the week of Passover, either 1987 or 88, if I remember. So I decided it might be nice to have the cakes blessed by a rabbi for the occasion, after which I proudly presented Prince with my Lemon Kosher Cakes.
As it turns out, he liked them so much that for awhile, he actually considered converting to Judaism. As a result, somewhere in the infamous "vault" is a remake of his famous song "The Cross" (from Sign O' The Times) with somewhat altered lyrics and re-titled ...... "The Nosh".........

I'm only on page 6 of reading this fascinating thread but I just couldn't get past this without

Eric is the best!!! LOVE this bit so much. His clever way of lightening the mood a bit while being quite facetious It's amazing, based on the comments on his FB page, how many actually think this anecdote is really true

violetcrush said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

violetcrush said:

Um, you don't seem to realize the etiquette that is typically followed when an engagement ends. You don't keep the ring - if you're a decent person. Susannah did not keep the ring. She gave it back to him.

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Even if she had kept the ring, do you really think 100-200K would last 40+ years?? Maybe if she were a savvy investor, however, musicians are typically not finance wizzes. That amount of money can easily be spent in one year's time.

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So you think that's all Susannah got is $200 per week? Yep, that was the standard paycheck for PP employees, however, Susannah also enjoyed all of the perks that went along with being on Prince's arm - nice clothes, trips, limos, recording credits, meeting Joni Mitchell ( a bday gift from Prince for her and Wendy), award shows, lavish parties, and no doubt his credit card whenever she desired. It's been well documented that Prince spoiled his woman with the material things when they were with him, and he had the millions to do it.

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And "Girl Pleeeeze" - you sure love doing the "fake news" bits when it comes to Susannah. SHE did not post the GoFundMe page on FB. A good friend of hers posted it on her behalf. PRINCE contacted Bobby to get her phone number. SHE never contacted him. PRINCE arranged to loan her the money she needed when she was not receiving the child support from her ex. So, now you my dear, need to take several seats....

Damn. Even worse than I thought. She had to fork back over the ring after all he put her through??? Um, who was talking about the Go-fund Me begging by her so called "friend?" Get it right. I'm talking about that one time she went posting about how Prince needed to pay her for her gig with The Family from 1985 since he didn't pay her zilch back then (big time fiancé that she was...) Girl still had that grudge coz she's no dummy. Years later she knew she got played... You're the real Fake News in this joint spewing lies about how Prince spent hundreds and thousands of dollars on an engagement ring for her... And that's all you got- bragging about all the perks she got hanging on his arm?? So did his nearest groupie... That ain't nothing to brag about my dear. She was a whole fiancé. Remember?

Not sure what world you come from, but you GIVE BACK the ring when the engagement breaks off. That is rule 101 of engagement. You don't keep the ring, and if you do, you're an asshole. Why would she keep the ring?? And who said she HAD to give back the ring?? Oh, right...you did. You have no idea how the ring was returned. However, based on the fact that Susannah seems like a cool and respectful person, I"m sure she initiated the give-back without Prince asking for it back.

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Okay, let's break this down again. Did Prince's "nearest groupies" get the ring? Did they live with him? Did they get songs like NC2U, FIML, IIWYG, Adore, Come Home, Wally?? Did Prince turn their childhood story into a much beloved song which he played until the end? Yeah, nah. Apparently, they did get throw away songs like Bedtime Story and Palomino Pleasure Ride though. Winner winner chicken dinner

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Prince and Susannah were publicly fighting between 2011-2014, because Prince would not let her and the band continue to use The Family name. Same situation with The Time - hence "The Original 7". There were many feuds going on during that period - with Sheila E too. MANY associates were finally speaking out about the crappy pay and control issues. So, don't even go there with that "spin". Clearly, Prince wanted to make amends with her or he would never have reached out to help her, AND also to record with her again just before he passed.

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So, again - please, enough with the ridiculous "spinning" to create the story that YOU prefer.

RJOrion said:

im'a need some popcorn for this thread

Oh yes....settle back in and relax with a BIG bucket. IceCream's usually in it for at least 12 rounds. She clearly can't stand Susannah....

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