JudasLChrist said:

GaryMF said:

JQuad said:

What if Apples is right? What does she really have to gain...... What book sales? If that's the case she could've cashed in a long time ago when the book industry was more profitable. Yet she's writing one now and conveniently added that on to the end of her rant. - Kinda like releasing your new song days b4 a tribute of said subject in your song

She and everybody knows she isn't on Shelia's talent level. She's never claimed to be. She's never tried to be. But what she will be is 4ever tied to Purple Rain. Like it or not. Puprle Rain the MOVIE. no one denies that. but Sheila was chosen to be on the tour and is even on the Grammy 1985 perofrmance with a special shout out by P. - So were the Revolution

Only people who are defending Shelia are the fans on here. But take a moment and get out of your feelings take a count of how many people who were around the purple camp at that time have come forward to defend Shelia and dispute Apples claims? Exactly.....none. Maybe because her claims are so ridiculous and border on slander that no one takes them seriously?

That speaks volumes. For the record I know insider from that period who stated to me 4yrs ago a similiar "he she" statement P made about Shelia. This person is a highly credible source. Whether P said it or not isn't the issue. It's the inappropriateness of her to repeat it. You're right I will agree there. But I don't think It was 2 mentioned demean. As much as it was to say your stock wasn't as high as you are telling people it was. In regards to ladies he choose to be with or had his eye. At least that's how it was delivered from the source I spoke with.

Her actions are making Apples claims have more validity. That tribute was a "Sheliabration" and not a Prince tribute. Camera angles to show her playing on everyone's set....release of the new song...press....etc. That's what being an md/bandleader is. It doesn't prove anything Kotero claimed. - Patrice Rushen is as a accomplished musician as there is. She has MD'd countless award, tribute shows, may not remember them because she made it about the music not about showcasing herself! That's what a Music Director does.

Initially the Revolution wasn't asked to perform(Jam & Lewis and Roy Bennett had to push 4 them) according to Kotero and Roy. - They aren't in the band so what gain would they get by lying?

yet 98% of the songs performed were the tunes and arrangements they helped bring to life.They still and will probably continue to tour doing those songs. They will always be connected to their era songs

NPG was totally excluded. Wonder why?! Maybe cuz the majority of people don't give a sh*t about them?? - That's a matter of opinion. I thought this was a Prince tribute? They are a part of the legacy,as is the post 87 catalog. They are a part of songs people love.

But like Prince said "It all comes out in the wash" . If what comes out exposes Shelia mE ..... some people on here are gonna really in their feelings.

purplethunder3121 said:

rednblue said:

Like, who wouldn't still be dazed?

and confused?

Yup.

Whatever all this ruckus is about, it's clearly not just about lemon cake.

I love the purple world, and I try to imagine what things would look like through a purple haze.

Sorry...couldn't resist. But since I comment about that world, I try for a moment to imagine what it's like in the shoes of these people. Quite a few have talked about getting themselves hurt by the love and fooling around part of it. Prince included. He tells about this in some of his songs.

And Love and Sex obviously wasn't the only place to find tough stuff. How about what was at the heart of the purple world?

These folks were part of a mindblowing creative machine. Prince, the genius at its center, took on the music industry. There were some really supportive people at WB, but Prince also came to clearly see the shameless exploitation in that industry. Some might say that Prince should just get past what happened all those years ago when he, as a very young man, signed on to that exploitive industry. Some might say he should just accept that he signed a contract, move on, and let go completely of what happened to young Prince. Personally, I'm grateful that he never stopped talking about that young man.

So for people wondering why folks don't just get over what happened all those years ago, fair enough. I just think it's good to stay in a little touch with the past, most especially the pain and the joy.

luv4u said:

My opinion is that it is wrong and unprofessional to call someone out in public on social media. Resolve differences in private.

Yes.

At the same time, isn't it human and understandable for people to react imperfectly, given what a wonderful yet fraught world connects them?

Bullying is always horrible.

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lastdecember said:

icecreamcastle777 said:

lastdecember said: The part highlighted in what you said about being sick and done with Apollonia, Sheila, Jill Jones, Susannah Melvoin (and I would throw in Mayte) is exactly how I feel. These women don't give a crap about Prince or any of the fans. Their ultimate goal is to try to shine through Prince death, saying and doing anything to big themselves up to act like Prince loved them the most, and in the end making them more MONEY. That's all it comes down to in the end, no matter what they say. [Edited 4/17/20 10:46am]

The thing though and now I see Cat getting into the mix too, and I'm like Cat? Are u serious. But with Mayte she was married to him had one child and also had a miscarriage too, and covered him in his lies and stayed silent for a long time, she could have easily written a book in 2000. None of these women were married to him I get they were close and dated and probably slept with him and some claim they were going to be married to him but mayte was as was Manuela, who also by the way didn't write a book but for some reason has bonded with Mayte and no one from the early days. The trouble is all in that era, I mean when I have ever heard Andy Allo talk trash about Judith Hill or vice versa, I mean it's petty.

Have you watched any of the "Hollywood Exes" shows Mayte did back in 2013?? Have you seen any of her old tweets that contain "Priince bashing" remarks/jokes?? Do you know that she attempted to sell may of Prince's personal items (clothing, jewelry, etc) prior to his death? She also had her book all but finished when he died, which is why it was the first released after his death. She would not have even tried to release her book in 2000. as Prince would have had his legal team put a stop to it. Yeah nah, she is far from innocent in the "market your connection to Prince" realm.

JQuad said:

What if Apples is right? What does she really have to gain...... What book sales? If that's the case she could've cashed in a long time ago when the book industry was more profitable. Yet she's writing one now and conveniently added that on to the end of her rant.

She and everybody knows she isn't on Shelia's talent level. She's never claimed to be. She's never tried to be. But what she will be is 4ever tied to Purple Rain. Like it or not. Puprle Rain the MOVIE. no one denies that. but Sheila was chosen to be on the tour and is even on the Grammy 1985 perofrmance with a special shout out by P.

Only people who are defending Shelia are the fans on here. But take a moment and get out of your feelings take a count of how many people who were around the purple camp at that time have come forward to defend Shelia and dispute Apples claims? Exactly.....none. Maybe because her claims are so ridiculous and border on slander that no one takes them seriously?

That speaks volumes. For the record I know insider from that period who stated to me 4yrs ago a similiar "he she" statement P made about Shelia. This person is a highly credible source. Whether P said it or not isn't the issue. It's the inappropriateness of her to repeat it.

Her actions are making Apples claims have more validity. That tribute was a "Sheliabration" and not a Prince tribute. Camera angles to show her playing on everyone's set....release of the new song...press....etc. That's what being an md/bandleader is. It doesn't prove anything Kotero claimed.

Initially the Revolution wasn't asked to perform(Jam & Lewis and Roy Bennett had to push 4 them) according to Kotero and Roy.

yet 98% of the songs performed were the tunes and arrangements they helped bring to life.They still and will probably continue to tour doing those songs. They will always be connected to their era songs

NPG was totally excluded. Wonder why?! Maybe cuz the majority of people don't give a sh*t about them??

But like Prince said "It all comes out in the wash" . If what comes out exposes Shelia mE ..... some people on here are gonna really in their feelings.

Just a couple of interestnig thoughts which may or may not have anything to do with the "he she" label Prince allegedly used to describe Sheila:

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Prince had Doug Henders paint a mustache on Sheila's character's image on the ATWIAD cover. Hmmm...

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Also, in the 1985 video for Sheila's song "Sister Fate", a flash of Prince's face appears during the lyric:

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"There's an awful story that's in the news
People say that I'm, I'm in love with U
If they knew the real truth, they'd probably die
I could never do nothin' 2 live up 2 those lies"

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During that time the press was constantly writing that Sheila was a love interest of Prince's, and that they were in a relationship. Hmmm.....

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Just some fun food for thought....

rednblue said:

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violetcrush said:

lastdecember said:

The thing though and now I see Cat getting into the mix too, and I'm like Cat? Are u serious. But with Mayte she was married to him had one child and also had a miscarriage too, and covered him in his lies and stayed silent for a long time, she could have easily written a book in 2000. None of these women were married to him I get they were close and dated and probably slept with him and some claim they were going to be married to him but mayte was as was Manuela, who also by the way didn't write a book but for some reason has bonded with Mayte and no one from the early days. The trouble is all in that era, I mean when I have ever heard Andy Allo talk trash about Judith Hill or vice versa, I mean it's petty.

Have you watched any of the "Hollywood Exes" shows Mayte did back in 2013?? Have you seen any of her old tweets that contain "Priince bashing" remarks/jokes?? Do you know that she attempted to sell may of Prince's personal items (clothing, jewelry, etc) prior to his death? She also had her book all but finished when he died, which is why it was the first released after his death. She would not have even tried to release her book in 2000. as Prince would have had his legal team put a stop to it. Yeah nah, she is far from innocent in the "market your connection to Prince" realm.

Mayte's book is really great. He completely fucked her on money. She had her busness and was doing really well before she ever met Prince. Prince kind of ruined her financially. She was 16 when they met, and he pulled her out of his life, and installed her in his at a lower pay grade. He should have had her set up for life after they split.

I could make a longer post about this, but I find it irksome this idea that Prince associates, particularly bandmembers, are not supposed to make money. These are people that gave their entire lives to Prince's work 24/7 for years on end. He was inspired by them and used their ideas, and when they left they were forever associated with him whether they wanted to be or not. They have some owenership of Prince's legacy.

It's not like taking on a musical director gig, or writing a book, or upending one's life to go on tour with the surving members of your old band is making anyone rich. I think some fans (and former non-musician associates) need to cool out.

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

All I can say it that it musta been a magic d*ck for all these peeps to be acting like such fools.

JudasLChrist said:

violetcrush said:

Have you watched any of the "Hollywood Exes" shows Mayte did back in 2013?? Have you seen any of her old tweets that contain "Priince bashing" remarks/jokes?? Do you know that she attempted to sell may of Prince's personal items (clothing, jewelry, etc) prior to his death? She also had her book all but finished when he died, which is why it was the first released after his death. She would not have even tried to release her book in 2000. as Prince would have had his legal team put a stop to it. Yeah nah, she is far from innocent in the "market your connection to Prince" realm.

Mayte's book is really great. He completely fucked her on money. She had her busness and was doing really well before she ever met Prince. Prince kind of ruined her financially. She was 16 when they met, and he pulled her out of his life, and installed her in his at a lower pay grade. He should have had her set up for life after they split.

I could make a longer post about this, but I find it irksome this idea that Prince associates, particularly bandmembers, are not supposed to make money. These are people that gave their entire lives to Prince's work 24/7 for years on end. He was inspired by them and used their ideas, and when they left they were forever associated with him whether they wanted to be or not. They have some owenership of Prince's legacy.

It's not like taking on a musical director gig, or writing a book, or upending one's life to go on tour with the surving members of your old band is making anyone rich. I think some fans (and former non-musician associates) need to cool out.

[Edited 4/23/20 11:38am]

You're kidding, right??!, So, you think Mayte would have somehow become more successful with her belly dancing stint than what she became in the Prince realm?? Come On! There's a reason why her Momma shipped her off to PP post haste at 17. Mayte could have left that scene at any time prior to becoming pregnant. She no doubt loved the perks and celebrity that came with being an associate and in a relationship with Prince. She was also still very young when Prince divorced her - 26/27 yrs old. She could and should have been able to take the things she was taught by Prince and create some kind of career for herself - in or out of the music business.

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Yes, past associates of Prince do always have that permanent connection to him, but most also would not have been known at all without it. Many have been able to use it to their advantage - whether or not they consider it a hinderance. I think the "in-fighting" between the associates has more to do with frustration when one or more embellish or fabricate stories related to their Prince connection in order to garner focused attention on themselves. I get it. I would be frustrated too. Very hard to prove the falsifications though.

RJOrion said:

Too bad P isnt here to see this shit... he got these chickenheads fighting over who made him some damn cake...thats big pimpin right there.

So...gonna go but just want to leave you with that, IMO, thread topic goes to both laugh and cry. It's a really funny lemon cake war. IMO, it's also sad that both Prince and the "chickenheads," as you call the women, often got themselves into a situation where they couldn't control things the way they hoped. Both Prince and the women got themselves hurt by (unauthorized) affairs.

By the way, what's the word for the female-servicing counterpart of a chickenhead?

Thanks for noting the recent Micheal Dean podcast. Glad to know of that interview. I appreciate hearing different points of view on the topic of this thread.

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rednblue said:

violetcrush said:

rednblue said:

So...gonna go but just want to leave you with that, IMO, thread topic goes to both laugh and cry. It's a really funny lemon cake war. IMO, it's also sad that both Prince and the "chickenheads," as you call the women, often got themselves into a situation where they couldn't control things the way they hoped. Both Prince and the women got themselves hurt by (unauthorized) affairs.

By the way, what's the word for the female-servicing counterpart of a chickenhead?

Thanks for noting the recent Micheal Dean podcast. Glad to know of that interview. I appreciate hearing different points of view on the topic of this thread.

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But again, as some have mentioned, the fighting is not really about “lemon cake”. It’s more a symbol of what seems to be the bigger issue or accusation of embellishment and/or fabrication of “Prince related” stories for the purpose of garnering public attention. Should be interesting to see how it all plays out 😁

Yup.

IMO, the publicizing of someone's sexuality when that someone hasn't publicly shared his or her sexuality is also important here. Very inappropriate independent of other issues.

rednblue said:

So people like Cat just because she spills tea?

violetcrush said:

rednblue said:

Yup.

IMO, the publicizing of someone's sexuality when that someone hasn't publicly shared his or her sexuality is also important here. Very inappropriate independent of other issues.

I would tend to agree with that, although I can understand one’s frustration with someone telling stories involving his or her sexuality which don’t align with what one (allegedly) knows to be contradictory to the truth. More simply put - if you are gay and don’t want to “come out” publicly, that’s fine, but then don’t create stories which support your sexuality as being heterosexual.

Well, gonna leave that one alone, especially as I told people I'd stop running my keyboard here. : )

Will make one simple, general statement about sexuality. Again, I just want to make clear that I'm not not commenting on anyone in particular, just saying that there is at least one other possibility in addition to what (I think-correct me if I'm wrong) you're describing above.

The general statement is that some people are bisexual.

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rednblue said:

The general statement is that some people are bisexual.

[Edited 4/23/20 15:07pm]

Exactly!

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And gay/str8/bi or any of the more "au current" terms.....it's no one's business (the exception would be politicians who are closeted and then specifically vote against LGBT rights....that's hypocritical). But I digress.

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The "Lemon Cake Wars" are not about sexuality and no one used the Lemon Cake to asssert any form of sexuality. It was about "Yo I made him a cake" and has already been pointed out, mulitple people clearly could have made him cakes.

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To whomever said "you don't see the Revolution coming out and backing Sheila," I think Eric Leeds---who was not only a part of the Revoluton starting with the PR Tour but also a longtime Prince collaborator post The Revolution.......

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Eric Leeds' funny satire about the Lemon Cake basically shows how ridiculous these "accusations" are.

rogifan said:

So people like Cat just because she spills tea?

I hear you (re: podcast title). I really do.

But what can people talk about on this thread that isn't tea?

GaryMF said:

rednblue said:

The general statement is that some people are bisexual.

[Edited 4/23/20 15:07pm]

Exactly!

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And gay/str8/bi or any of the more "au current" terms.....it's no one's business (the exception would be politicians who are closeted and then specifically vote against LGBT rights....that's hypocritical). But I digress.

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The "Lemon Cake Wars" are not about sexuality and no one used the Lemon Cake to asssert any form of sexuality. It was about "Yo I made him a cake" and has already been pointed out, mulitple people clearly could have made him cakes.

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To whomever said "you don't see the Revolution coming out and backing Sheila," I think Eric Leeds---who was not only a part of the Revoluton starting with the PR Tour but also a longtime Prince collaborator post The Revolution.......

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Eric Leeds' funny satire about the Lemon Cake basically shows how ridiculous these "accusations" are.

Eric's satire is so funny. It was RJOrion who connected the lemon cake competition (in a literal or figurative way) to a sex act. See his statement above. Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought his statement suggests that long ago P was "pimpin" these "chickenhead" women to such an extent that their jealous, competitive nature is now spilling over into a lemon cake war, all these years later.

There's been tons of discussion in this thread about lemon cake stories dating from long ago. There has been tons of discussion in this thread of posts and comments from Apples and others who worked with Prince.

A mod recently said that discussion here needs to be limited to Appolonia and Sheila E. It was one of Appolonia's Facebook posts that talked about "HeSHe." The (copy that I saw) of that post didn't have Appolonia talking about people making lemon cake. It was in a subsequent post that she talked about Mr. Bennett making lemon cake. Is this what you were trying to get me to understand?

rogifan said:

So people like Cat just because she spills tea?

I don't have strong feelings either way but I think people like her because she doesn't have a filter, which is fun. She also comes off as loyal. That and she hasn't made a career as a friend of Prince, and a lot of people don't know she was supposed to get a protege album, or released music without him.

It's not lemon cake, but I'm a little worried what hell will break loose if Cornbread Rappers ever gets released.

rednblue said:

RJOrion said:

RJOrion said:

rednblue said:

Eric's satire is so funny. It was RJOrion who connected the lemon cake competition (in a literal or figurative way) to a sex act. See his statement above. Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought his statement suggests that long ago P was "pimpin" these "chickenhead" women to such an extent that their jealous, competitive nature is now spilling over into a lemon cake war, all these years later.

There's been tons of discussion in this thread about lemon cake stories dating from long ago. There has been tons of discussion in this thread of posts and comments from Apples and others who worked with Prince.

A mod recently said that discussion here needs to be limited to Appolonia and Sheila E. It was one of Appolonia's Facebook posts that talked about "HeSHe." The (copy that I saw) of that post didn't have Appolonia talking about people making lemon cake. It was in a subsequent post that she talked about Mr. Bennett making lemon cake. Is this what you were trying to get me to understand?

huh?...i never connected the lemoncake competition to a sex act... youre taking my comment way too literal and serious, when i clearly said the comment was said somewhat in jest...and maybe there's some kind of cultural divide here in regards to the slang terminology i used when i said "pimpin" and "chickenheads"... in street terms pimpin isnt always applied to actual sexual exchanges for money where a 3rd party collects the proceeds...the term pimpin can be applied to a man simply having a "player" mentality and a gift for manipulating the female mind, body, spirit, and emotions...and "chickenhead" is/was an east coast street term for a loud, superficial and often dimwitted woman [Edited 4/23/20 17:38pm]

Thank you! I know where my savvy isn't. : ) I'm a naive suburban person, so my reaction to your post was due to looking up the phrase you used for these women on urban dictionary. I'm really sorry if that wasn't the best way to educate myself. My reaction to your post was based on on the definition I found. This definition made it sound like you were cheering on P's "pimpin" and hareming of these women which resulted in lingering silly wild competition and fighting among them even decades later. I apologize if the urban dictionary definition is not what you meant. If I'm in a situation like this again, I'll ask the writer (in this case, you) what the word means. To all, please understand. I'm not trying to piss anyone off by showing this definition. The mod snipped it before, but I don't know how to explain how I came to my conclusion other than post it here. I'm just trying to explain why I thought that your statement meant that Prince would love to be here now to see these women still competing that had formerly competed with lewd acts or akin behavior.

There were more definitions, including "easy" groupies, but I already fear I'm posting too much.

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