RJOrion said:

when Cat Glover, or Chazz Smith, or Kim Berry give their interviews they should be dismissed as "crazy" or non "intellectual", or bitter and delusional...while the accounts of people like Susan Rogers, and Duane Tudahl, and Wendy & Lisa are surely the annointed Gospel Of Prince Rogers Nelson... its so predictable.

I mean, you're picking on a few names that I guess you question the credibility of? The difference is in the delivery. Maybe their memories are being tested and there are some inaccuracies but it's not like Susan Rogers goes on ranty rants when someone contradicts her. Wendy and Lisa aren't throwing tantrums about who owned what car and yadda yadda. They seem credible and fans can pick the versions of things that resonate. Same way they do when someone like Morris Hayes talks. He sounds measured and you think "why would he make it up?". History is told by the people who tell it. Cat's stories are contradictory and she sounds kinda loopy, but she's kind of like Jill in that they share details nobody is is sharing, and they don't always have a filter.

lavendardrummachine said:

Cat's interview is woah.

Forget that she comes off like a live wire.....here she slips and changes the story on how she met Prince, admits she had a physical relationship with him after the work relationship stopped, and refers to Appollonia as having a relationship with him. She also addresses the secret lovechild story.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??

malbena said:

Sheila E. looks amazing in the tribute. Powerful, talented, and so loved.

Agreed! LOVED the purple sequin outfit. The band under her direction was really great.

lavendardrummachine said:

Cat's interview is woah.

Forget that she comes off like a live wire.....here she slips and changes the story on how she met Prince

.

She's always had a dozen stories on how that happened. Go read her interviews from when she was promoting her solo record: each one is different.

RJOrion said:

JudasLChrist said:

Cat Glover spouts at the mouth, and she seems borderline to me. Which is fine. People with mental health issues need love and support. No judgement, but she's on this podcast critiquing Shelia's song. When's the last time she wrote a song? It's just dumb.

i get it now...according to the "majority" on this site, when Cat Glover, or Chazz Smith, or Kim Berry give their interviews they should be dismissed as "crazy" or non "intellectual", or bitter and delusional...while the accounts of people like Susan Rogers, and Duane Tudahl, and Wendy & Lisa are surely the annointed Gospel Of Prince Rogers Nelson... its so predictable.

BartVanHemelen said:

lavendardrummachine said:

Cat's interview is woah.

Forget that she comes off like a live wire.....here she slips and changes the story on how she met Prince

.

She's always had a dozen stories on how that happened. Go read her interviews from when she was promoting her solo record: each one is different.

Ah, I'm most familiar with the dancing in the club version, granted there are different versions of that too.

lavendardrummachine said:

Ottensen said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

All I can say it that it musta been a magic d*ck for all these peeps to be acting like such fools.

Magic. Supreme. Otherworldly. Like these broads must've thought The Rapture was upon us every time they...oh, nevermind.

YES!

It's a little judgy in here with the idea that some of these folks could ever be expected to move on...easy to see how that level of pleasure and pain could lead to decades of feuding. This is just the lemon cake skirmish. More to come, no doubt.

After all, they were haremized by the magic D!

RJOrion said:

lavendardrummachine said:

I mean, you're picking on a few names that I guess you question the credibility of? The difference is in the delivery. Maybe their memories are being tested and there are some inaccuracies but it's not like Susan Rogers goes on ranty rants when someone contradicts her. Wendy and Lisa aren't throwing tantrums about who owned what car and yadda yadda. They seem credible and fans can pick the versions of things that resonate. Same way they do when someone like Morris Hayes talks. He sounds measured and you think "why would he make it up?". History is told by the people who tell it. Cat's stories are contradictory and she sounds kinda loopy, but she's kind of like Jill in that they share details nobody is is sharing, and they don't always have a filter.

i do not question the credibility of anyone you named... i question the comments from people that dismiss Chazz, Cat, Jill's stories as folly, and automatically assume that the words of people like Susan, Duane and Wendy and Lisa are the gospel

So is it your opinion that all of these folks have plenty to say that is valuable and informative?

That's my opinion, FWIW.

What do you think?

Phase3 said:

mechanicalemotion17 said:

Honestly I heard Prince HATED lemon cake and only pretended to like it not to hurt their feelings, then would spit it out into one of those airplane barf bags that he always carried around with him (custom made in purple) the moment they weren't looking. What Prince really enjoyed was 7up cake [Edited 4/20/20 4:51am]

7up cake and a cup of 6 razor blades was one of his favorites [Edited 4/20/20 6:02am]

with a side of fruit cocktail

9to5People said:

Maybe, just maybe, more than one person baked him a cake... It's a stretch, but possible. laytonian said:

Only about the damned cake. It's a ridiculous food fight.

Susan Rogers made him cakes.
Big Chick's wife made him cakes.
LeRoy Bennett made him cakes.
Sheila E made him cakes.
I'll bet almost everyone made cakes for him.

That was my first thought. If one person made it, that doesn't mean that someone else didn't make it, too. So assuming a lie seems unreasonable.

On the other hand, IF you know the history of proper paisley pastry production, then you can dish all that luscious lemon history when you dish out the song.

What do you think?

[Edited 4/22/20 11:32am]

Childish and petty on Apple's part. If she had a problem with Sheila, she should've taken it to her privately, instead of airing it in public, but she's trying to plug an upcoming book, so go figure

macaylasdad said:

rednblue said:

YES!

It's a little judgy in here with the idea that some of these folks could ever be expected to move on...easy to see how that level of pleasure and pain could lead to decades of feuding. This is just the lemon cake skirmish. More to come, no doubt.

After all, they were haremized by the magic D!

Dicktimized

[Edited 4/22/20 12:12pm]

Rioub said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

rednblue said:

YES!

It's a little judgy in here with the idea that some of these folks could ever be expected to move on...easy to see how that level of pleasure and pain could lead to decades of feuding. This is just the lemon cake skirmish. More to come, no doubt.

After all, they were haremized by the magic D!

Dicktimized

[Edited 4/22/20 12:12pm]

Like, who wouldn't still be dazed?

and confused?

rednblue said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Dicktimized

[Edited 4/22/20 12:12pm]

Like, who wouldn't still be dazed?

and confused?

looby said:

phunkdaddy said:

Ah Patty Kotero talking about someone Sheila trying to remain relevant. Hell she was only relevant for 2 years. Who else here checked for Patty since 1986? Sheila I'm sure as most of us know was an in demand drummer/percussionist before her association with Prince. I'm sure there are Prince crazies here that wanna talk about how she was nothing until the association but I'll leave them to bitch among themselves. I'm a Prince fan myself but I'm not obsessed or crazed with it. As for Patty doesn't she pop up every year around the same time to talk about how close she was to Prince. She couldn't sing a drop even with technology. Most Prince if not all fans loved Vanity 6 far better than the knockoff version. Sheila E's talent is far better than Appolonia ever was. Who the hell cares who made Prince a Lemon Cake? I'm just into the music.

Say what you want, but Patty Kotero will forever be known as Apollonia from Purple Rain, and as long as Purple Rain is remembered, so will Patty Kotero/Apollonia be as well. That role attached her to Prince forever!

I'll give you that particularly for those with nostalgia tied to the film but let's be honest most people

liked the film because of Prince and his music and the music of Morris and The Time. Does anyone outside of die hard Prince fans say let me cop that Appolonia 6 album?

My point is Sheila E has more clout than Patty but yet Patty want to throw shade at someone

for trying to remain relevant while it looks like she is doing just that.

[Edited 4/22/20 12:54pm]

RJOrion said:

RJOrion said:

mechanicalemotion17 said:

RJOrion said:

how people type in a comment box whether emotional or non-intellectual, has no bearing on the truth..so because people appear to sound and type smarter, they are therefore more credible than a person whom you deem less educated, or a person (you obviously dont know personally) who youve decided is "unstable"?... clearly you're a County Judge or an accredited Psychiatrist... or just something else. do tell

I love it! Hold these mofos to the fire

Hate to break it to you, but when trying to assess the validity of someone making a statement, their ability to communicate COHERENTLY, INTELLIGENTLY and SANELY will be factors that affect the listener's assessment.

So Im just going to keep it 100. I've been reading this thread and I see a lot of people thinking this is about cake, jealousy over Sheila's fame, clout, etc. This clearly is not about jealousy and certainly NOT OVER SOME DAMN CAKE. This is about Apples saying Sheila wasn't in Prince's life before he passed because he "cut her off" as she AND Cat has said. I also noticed that the ones keeping it 100 are the ones people want to say are crazy. Somebody mentioned Kim Berry and Cat (both Black women might I add) in that list of names. I believe them! I know they are just keeping it 100.

Now apples really has me curious as to what is really going on. I would actually like to see how this plays out because if you see that live Morris did on the NPG's Facebook live yesterday, he gave his little 2 cents but he clearly knows what is going on. Which has me believing others do as well.

GaryMF said:

What if Apples is right? What does she really have to gain...... What book sales? If that's the case she could've cashed in a long time ago when the book industry was more profitable. She and everybody knows she isn't on Shelia's talent level. She's never claimed to be. She's never tried to be. But what she will be is 4ever tied to Purple Rain. Like it or not.

Only people who are defending Shelia are the fans on here. But take a moment and get out of your feelings take a count of how many people who were around the purple camp at that time have come forward to defend Shelia and dispute Apples claims? Exactly.....none. That speaks volumes. For the record I know insider from that period who stated to me 4yrs ago a similiar "he she" statement P made about Shelia. This person is a highly credible source.

Her actions are making Apples claims have more validity. That tribute was a "Sheliabration" and not a Prince tribute. Camera angles to show her playing on everyone's set....release of the new song...press....etc.

Initially the Revolution wasn't asked to perform(Jam & Lewis and Roy Bennett had to push 4 them) yet 98% of the songs performed were the tunes and arrangements they helped bring to life.They still and will probably continue to tour doing those songs. They will always be connected to their era songs

NPG was totally excluded. Wonder why?!

But like Prince said "It all comes out in the wash" . If what comes out exposes Shelia mE ..... some people on here are gonna really in their feelings.

JQuad said:

What if Apples is right? What does she really have to gain...... What book sales? If that's the case she could've cashed in a long time ago when the book industry was more profitable. Yet she's writing one now and conveniently added that on to the end of her rant.

She and everybody knows she isn't on Shelia's talent level. She's never claimed to be. She's never tried to be. But what she will be is 4ever tied to Purple Rain. Like it or not. Puprle Rain the MOVIE. no one denies that. but Sheila was chosen to be on the tour and is even on the Grammy 1985 perofrmance with a special shout out by P.

Only people who are defending Shelia are the fans on here. But take a moment and get out of your feelings take a count of how many people who were around the purple camp at that time have come forward to defend Shelia and dispute Apples claims? Exactly.....none. Maybe because her claims are so ridiculous and border on slander that no one takes them seriously?

That speaks volumes. For the record I know insider from that period who stated to me 4yrs ago a similiar "he she" statement P made about Shelia. This person is a highly credible source. Whether P said it or not isn't the issue. It's the inappropriateness of her to repeat it.

Her actions are making Apples claims have more validity. That tribute was a "Sheliabration" and not a Prince tribute. Camera angles to show her playing on everyone's set....release of the new song...press....etc. That's what being an md/bandleader is. It doesn't prove anything Kotero claimed.

Initially the Revolution wasn't asked to perform(Jam & Lewis and Roy Bennett had to push 4 them) according to Kotero and Roy.

yet 98% of the songs performed were the tunes and arrangements they helped bring to life.They still and will probably continue to tour doing those songs. They will always be connected to their era songs

NPG was totally excluded. Wonder why?! Maybe cuz the majority of people don't give a sh*t about them??

But like Prince said "It all comes out in the wash" . If what comes out exposes Shelia mE ..... some people on here are gonna really in their feelings.

These constant he/she comments by orgers make me want to


You know who you are.

JQuad said:

What if Apples is right? What does she really have to gain...... What book sales? If that's the case she could've cashed in a long time ago when the book industry was more profitable. She and everybody knows she isn't on Shelia's talent level. She's never claimed to be. She's never tried to be. But what she will be is 4ever tied to Purple Rain. Like it or not.

Only people who are defending Shelia are the fans on here. But take a moment and get out of your feelings take a count of how many people who were around the purple camp at that time have come forward to defend Shelia and dispute Apples claims? Exactly.....none. That speaks volumes. For the record I know insider from that period who stated to me 4yrs ago a similiar "he she" statement P made about Shelia. This person is a highly credible source.

Her actions are making Apples claims have more validity. That tribute was a "Sheliabration" and not a Prince tribute. Camera angles to show her playing on everyone's set....release of the new song...press....etc.

Initially the Revolution wasn't asked to perform(Jam & Lewis and Roy Bennett had to push 4 them) yet 98% of the songs performed were the tunes and arrangements they helped bring to life.They still and will probably continue to tour doing those songs. They will always be connected to their era songs

NPG was totally excluded. Wonder why?!

But like Prince said "It all comes out in the wash" . If what comes out exposes Shelia mE ..... some people on here are gonna really in their feelings.

Agree 100%. It was annoying seeing Sheila make the tribute all about her. I get that she was assigned the musical director (should have been Jimmy Jam) but did she really need to be in all these performances? She was even faking the guitar on one of the numbers! I thought her plan was to not include the Revolution because she wanted to give more time to other band members over the years, but besides Eddie M, Morris and Kat Dyson, they were all unrelated to Prince. I'm glad the Revolution were included in the end but they should have been the backing band for the majority of these songs. In the end, with the exception of SOTT, they were all Revolution era tributes.

RanishaRayon said:

So Im just going to keep it 100. I've been reading this thread and I see a lot of people thinking this is about cake, jealousy over Sheila's fame, clout, etc. This clearly is not about jealousy and certainly NOT OVER SOME DAMN CAKE. This is about Apples saying Sheila wasn't in Prince's life before he passed because he "cut her off" as she AND Cat has said. I also noticed that the ones keeping it 100 are the ones people want to say are crazy. Somebody mentioned Kim Berry and Cat (both Black women might I add) in that list of names. I believe them! I know they are just keeping it 100.

Now apples really has me curious as to what is really going on. I would actually like to see how this plays out because if you see that live Morris did on the NPG's Facebook live yesterday, he gave his little 2 cents but he clearly knows what is going on. Which has me believing others do as well.

Naw. It's about petty jealously.