lavendardrummachine said:

Wendy states that the video shoot was the first time she met him - not that she suddenly saw how a gay or straight woman could be attracted to him. She was in high school in the North East (lived with her Mother after parents divorced) so she would not have been able to visit Lisa regularly during that time. She and Susannah moved back to LA to live with their Dad after graduating in 1982.
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As I posted to “Choco Blocko” - the article had to have been a typo based on Wendy’s comment, or it would make no sense. They have all confirmed that Prince would stay at their place in early ‘83 while he began recording PR, and the new album for The Time. I don’t think Lisa was having open discussions with Prince about her sexual preference back in ‘81. However, no question that Prince used the mystery of W&L’s sexuality once he knew - a la Computer Blue.
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If you look at the lyrics to Strange Way - where Prince confesses to wanting Lisa sexually, but not wanting to ruin their friendship - it indicates that he did not know she was gay.

violetcrush said:

if you listen to the song Strange Way, which he wrote for her. He talks about wanting her sexually but that it might ruin their friendship.

Not really, he says he took her body and it's a song about dysfunction, but if you're going to read into it....

"Strange" and "happy", could be references to her sexuality. "I didn't like the way you where, so I had to make you mine" could be a reference to being drawn to seduce her because of her sexuality.

It's a song though, I think the only irrefutable interpretation is that it's about their dysfunction and games.

violetcrush said:

Wendy states that the video shoot was the first time she met him - not that she suddenly saw how a gay or straight woman could be attracted to him. She was in high school in the North East (lived with her Mother after parents divorced) so she would not have been able to visit Lisa regularly during that time. She and Susannah moved back to LA to live with their Dad after graduating in 1982. * As I posted to “Choco Blocko” - the article had to have been a typo based on Wendy’s comment, or it would make no sense. They have all confirmed that Prince would stay at their place in early ‘83 while he began recording PR, and the new album for The Time. I don’t think Lisa was having open discussions with Prince about her sexual preference back in ‘81. However, no question that Prince used the mystery of W&L’s sexuality once he knew - a la Computer Blue. * If you look at the lyrics to Strange Way - where Prince confesses to wanting Lisa sexually, but not wanting to ruin their friendship - it indicates that he did not know she was gay.

I mean, you're saying there's typos in articles to arrive at some story that also isn't in the article.

What is in the article is the time frame of W & L going steady, but you dispute their account.

We have no idea when Prince knew, but the implication is he was thoughtful and didn't stay alone with the band member he had a strange dynamic with, and her girlfriend. The context of the story is Prince doing thoughtful gestures like how he posed them for the PR material, just doing it without discussion.

Nothing in the lyrics of Strange Way indicates he doesn't know Lisa is Gay.

By her account, it sounds like he maybe possibly didn't know, or Lisa was still experimenting, when she first stayed with him initially, but the idea of seducing the hot lesbian very much fits too.

And there is really no debate if Lisa herself thinks the song could be about her.

She knows the timeline and doesn't have to envision typos in articles.

It means there would have to be a reason it could be about her. And the line "I don't care" is far more interesting if it's written about a Lisa's sexuality, rather than another Lisa's relationship status, which is why people lean towards that one.

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lavendardrummachine said:

violetcrush said:

Wendy states that the video shoot was the first time she met him - not that she suddenly saw how a gay or straight woman could be attracted to him. She was in high school in the North East (lived with her Mother after parents divorced) so she would not have been able to visit Lisa regularly during that time. She and Susannah moved back to LA to live with their Dad after graduating in 1982. * As I posted to “Choco Blocko” - the article had to have been a typo based on Wendy’s comment, or it would make no sense. They have all confirmed that Prince would stay at their place in early ‘83 while he began recording PR, and the new album for The Time. I don’t think Lisa was having open discussions with Prince about her sexual preference back in ‘81. However, no question that Prince used the mystery of W&L’s sexuality once he knew - a la Computer Blue. * If you look at the lyrics to Strange Way - where Prince confesses to wanting Lisa sexually, but not wanting to ruin their friendship - it indicates that he did not know she was gay.

I mean, you're saying there's typos in articles to arrive at some story that also isn't in the article.

What is in the article is the time frame of W & L going steady, but you dispute their account.

We have no idea when Prince knew, but the implication is he was thoughtful and didn't stay alone with the band member he had a strange dynamic with, and her girlfriend. The context of the story is Prince doing thoughtful gestures like how he posed them for the PR material, just doing it without discussion.

Nothing in the lyrics of Strange Way indicates he doesn't know Lisa is Gay.

By her account, it sounds like he maybe possibly didn't know, or Lisa was still experimenting, when she first stayed with him initially, but the idea of seducing the hot lesbian very much fits too.

And there is really no debate if Lisa herself thinks the song could be about her.

She knows the timeline and doesn't have to envision typos in articles.

It means there would have to be a reason it could be about her. And the line "I don't care" is far more interesting if it's written about a Lisa's sexuality, rather than another Lisa's relationship status, which is why people lean towards that one.

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lavendardrummachine said:

You are mixing up “Strange Relationship”, which he wrote about Vanity in 1982.
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The song for Lisa was written after she and Prince had had a fight, and he told her she needed to find another place to live. He had his engineer Don Batts find her and bring her back to the house where he then presented her with the song “Strange Way of Saying I Love You”. Here are the full lyrics to that song:
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Sometimes I wanna tell U, baby, exactly how I feel
But I get the strangest feeling, baby, U won't think I'm 4 real
Don't take me 4 granted, girl, I'm not some kind of fool
I just have a strange way of saying I love U
I love U
I love U

Sometimes I really want U, baby, I want U sexually
But I don't want our friendship relation 2 suffer, can't U see?
I don't expect 4 U 2 understand, sometimes it's hard 4 me 2
I just have a strange way of saying I love U
Honey, I love U
I love U

Ooh-wee, ooh-wee, ooh-wee, ooh-wee-ooh, ooh ooh ooh
Ooh-wee, ooh-wee, ooh-wee, ooh-wee-ooh, ooh ooh ooh

I don't expect 4 U 2 understand, sometimes it's hard 4 me 2
I just have a strange way of saying I love U
Honey, I love U
I really, really love U (I love U)

Ooh-wee, ooh-wee, ooh-wee, ooh-wee-ooh, ooh ooh ooh
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ChocolateBox3121 said:

WHAT THE F ARE YOU BABBLING ABOUT??!!

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LISA MET AND LIVED WITH PRINCE AT HIS HOUSE IN MN FROM SOME POINT IN 1980 TO OCTOBER OF ‘81 BEFORE WENDY EVEN MET HIM. PRINCE WROTE LISA AND STRANGE WAY OF SAYING I LOVE U WHILE LIVING WITH LISA. WEBDY WAS STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL AND LIVING WITH HER MOTHER IN NEW ENGLAND. WENDY IS FOUR YEARS YOUNGER THAN LISA.
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WENDY, LISA AND SUSANNAH HAVE ALL STATED NUMEROUS TIMES THAT PRINCE WAS STAYING AT THEIR LA HOUSE A LOT WHEN HE WAS THERE RECORDING IN EARJY ‘83. SO AGAIN, THE PHRASE “HE WOULDN’T STAY AT OUR HOUSE” MAKES NO SENSE, AS HE ACTUALLY DID STAY AT THEIR HOUSE WHEN WENDY FIRST JOINED THE BAND.
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SO, PLEASE TAKE A BIG FAT SEAT

violetcrush said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

WHAT THE F ARE YOU BABBLING ABOUT??!! * LISA MET AND LIVED WITH PRINCE AT HIS HOUSE IN MN FROM SOME POINT IN 1980 TO OCTOBER OF ‘81 BEFORE WENDY EVEN MET HIM. PRINCE WROTE LISA AND STRANGE WAY OF SAYING I LOVE U WHILE LIVING WITH LISA. WEBDY WAS STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL AND LIVING WITH HER MOTHER IN NEW ENGLAND. WENDY IS FOUR YEARS YOUNGER THAN LISA. * WENDY, LISA AND SUSANNAH HAVE ALL STATED NUMEROUS TIMES THAT PRINCE WAS STAYING AT THEIR LA HOUSE A LOT WHEN HE WAS THERE RECORDING IN EARJY ‘83. SO AGAIN, THE PHRASE “HE WOULDN’T STAY AT OUR HOUSE” MAKES NO SENSE, AS HE ACTUALLY DID STAY AT THEIR HOUSE WHEN WENDY FIRST JOINED THE BAND. * SO, PLEASE TAKE A BIG FAT SEAT

Here ya go Choco-off-your-rocko....here are Susannah Melvoin's EXACT words detailing when, where and how Prince would stay with them in LA:

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After explaining how she first met Prince at La Dome at the WB Christmas party and then going with Wendy to watch the band filming of LRC and 1999 in late 82/early '83:
"It was within a few weeks that he was back in town, and calling Lisa and Wendy, and we were picking him up at the airport. Wendy and Lisa would start first. Lisa had a car this great car we used to call Betty Flounder, it was this peach beautiful thing - anyway - drive to the airport, pick him up and take him back to our place."

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Toure: "So, how did it progress to more?"

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Susannah: "Well that particular period of time he was coming to CA a lot (remembering the chain of events) So, he was shooting the 1999 video and LRC after the Christmas party, so I went with my sister to the set, so I suppoe he was out here for that - maybe they were even shooting that Rolling Stone cover, Vanity and he - it may have been that they were shooting it at that time, and he was doing the 1999 video and LRC , and so I'd gone to the set and I'd seen this whole life and what Lisa was doing, and it was just really exciting, and I was so proud of Lisa, and the following day I went right back to work - right back to Geffen records, answering the phones, and they all left back to MN. And that's when Prince started coming back. And he started flying in, and it was then they were just finishing up touring - so he was coiming to CA a lot, and he started wanting to stay with Lisa and Wendy, and I was there.

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Susannah describing Prince staying at their house:

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(Describes how tiny the house was) "But he would come and stay with us. And he would stay on our couch, and we had many funny nights where I'd be in my room, which was right off the living room, and there's the couch five feet from my bed, and we had two persian cats and they would jump on him in the middle of the night. And you would hear "Lisa, Wendy, can you come get the cats?"

*

So, um, yeah - Prince was absolutely STAYING AT THEIR HOUSE off and on from January '83 through May/June '83, before he went back to MN to begin PR rehearsals in July.

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violetcrush said:

So, um, yeah - Prince was absolutely STAYING AT THEIR HOUSE off and on from January '83 through May/June '83, before he went back to MN to begin PR rehearsals in July.

You keep quoting things that don't support what you're saying, reaching conclusions not in the words being printed, which is fine but you're making conclusive statements.

The problem is...

You don't know if the Wendy and Lisa home they talk about in Out is referencing a house they shared with Susannah.

And Wendy and Lisa were "budding lesbians" from the time Wendy was 16...

And Susannah has said she met Prince when she was 17, or 19, depending on the version of the story.


Nobody, not even Lisa, is ruling out who Lisa is about. So again, what is the point of this?

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

ChocolateBox3121 said: WHAT THE F ARE YOU BABBLING ABOUT??!! * LISA MET AND LIVED WITH PRINCE AT HIS HOUSE IN MN FROM SOME POINT IN 1980 TO OCTOBER OF ‘81 BEFORE WENDY EVEN MET HIM. PRINCE WROTE LISA AND STRANGE WAY OF SAYING I LOVE U WHILE LIVING WITH LISA. WEBDY WAS STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL AND LIVING WITH HER MOTHER IN NEW ENGLAND. WENDY IS FOUR YEARS YOUNGER THAN LISA. * WENDY, LISA AND SUSANNAH HAVE ALL STATED NUMEROUS TIMES THAT PRINCE WAS STAYING AT THEIR LA HOUSE A LOT WHEN HE WAS THERE RECORDING IN EARJY ‘83. SO AGAIN, THE PHRASE “HE WOULDN’T STAY AT OUR HOUSE” MAKES NO SENSE, AS HE ACTUALLY DID STAY AT THEIR HOUSE WHEN WENDY FIRST JOINED THE BAND. * SO, PLEASE TAKE A BIG FAT SEAT

Here ya go Choco-off-your-rocko....here are Susannah Melvoin's EXACT words detailing when, where and how Prince would stay with them in LA:

*

After explaining how she first met Prince at La Dome at the WB Christmas party and then going with Wendy to watch the band filming of LRC and 1999 in late 82/early '83:
"It was within a few weeks that he was back in town, and calling Lisa and Wendy, and we were picking him up at the airport. Wendy and Lisa would start first. Lisa had a car this great car we used to call Betty Flounder, it was this peach beautiful thing - anyway - drive to the airport, pick him up and take him back to our place."

*

*

Toure: "So, how did it progress to more?"

*

Susannah: "Well that particular period of time he was coming to CA a lot (remembering the chain of events) So, he was shooting the 1999 video and LRC after the Christmas party, so I went with my sister to the set, so I suppoe he was out here for that - maybe they were even shooting that Rolling Stone cover, Vanity and he - it may have been that they were shooting it at that time, and he was doing the 1999 video and LRC , and so I'd gone to the set and I'd seen this whole life and what Lisa was doing, and it was just really exciting, and I was so proud of Lisa, and the following day I went right back to work - right back to Geffen records, answering the phones, and they all left back to MN. And that's when Prince started coming back. And he started flying in, and it was then they were just finishing up touring - so he was coiming to CA a lot, and he started wanting to stay with Lisa and Wendy, and I was there.

*

Susannah describing Prince staying at their house:

*

(Describes how tiny the house was) "But he would come and stay with us. And he would stay on our couch, and we had many funny nights where I'd be in my room, which was right off the living room, and there's the couch five feet from my bed, and we had two persian cats and they would jump on him in the middle of the night. And you would hear "Lisa, Wendy, can you come get the cats?"

*

So, um, yeah - Prince was absolutely STAYING AT THEIR HOUSE off and on from January '83 through May/June '83, before he went back to MN to begin PR rehearsals in July.

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I really don't understand WHY U keep QUOTING interviews that I've ALREADY read and have personally attended in person with Susannah going on & on(although it was VERY interesting) for over HALF the sitdown conference of EVERYTHING U just quoted. Like I said earlier to Lavendardrummachine.

I think U are suffering from early signs of something VERY serious.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

violetcrush said:

Here ya go Choco-off-your-rocko....here are Susannah Melvoin's EXACT words detailing when, where and how Prince would stay with them in LA:

*

After explaining how she first met Prince at La Dome at the WB Christmas party and then going with Wendy to watch the band filming of LRC and 1999 in late 82/early '83:
"It was within a few weeks that he was back in town, and calling Lisa and Wendy, and we were picking him up at the airport. Wendy and Lisa would start first. Lisa had a car this great car we used to call Betty Flounder, it was this peach beautiful thing - anyway - drive to the airport, pick him up and take him back to our place."

*

*

Toure: "So, how did it progress to more?"

*

Susannah: "Well that particular period of time he was coming to CA a lot (remembering the chain of events) So, he was shooting the 1999 video and LRC after the Christmas party, so I went with my sister to the set, so I suppoe he was out here for that - maybe they were even shooting that Rolling Stone cover, Vanity and he - it may have been that they were shooting it at that time, and he was doing the 1999 video and LRC , and so I'd gone to the set and I'd seen this whole life and what Lisa was doing, and it was just really exciting, and I was so proud of Lisa, and the following day I went right back to work - right back to Geffen records, answering the phones, and they all left back to MN. And that's when Prince started coming back. And he started flying in, and it was then they were just finishing up touring - so he was coiming to CA a lot, and he started wanting to stay with Lisa and Wendy, and I was there.

*

Susannah describing Prince staying at their house:

*

(Describes how tiny the house was) "But he would come and stay with us. And he would stay on our couch, and we had many funny nights where I'd be in my room, which was right off the living room, and there's the couch five feet from my bed, and we had two persian cats and they would jump on him in the middle of the night. And you would hear "Lisa, Wendy, can you come get the cats?"

*

So, um, yeah - Prince was absolutely STAYING AT THEIR HOUSE off and on from January '83 through May/June '83, before he went back to MN to begin PR rehearsals in July.

[Edited 4/29/20 14:29pm]

I really don't understand WHY U keep QUOTING interviews that I've ALREADY read and have personally attended in person with Susannah going on & on(although it was VERY interesting) for over HALF the sitdown conference of EVERYTHING U just quoted. Like I said earlier to Lavendardrummachine.

I think U are suffering from early signs of something VERY serious.

Or, is it that YOU seem to be suffering from some type of dimentia As well as, a bad case of "I Was There" syndrome - you know, where you put yourself at every one of Prince's shows, interviews, press conferences, after parties, and now associate interviews, Pretty sure there were only two people at the interview that I quoted above, and one of them sure wasn't you

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I'll just leave it here one more time for you, and then we'll "let it go, let it go, turn away and slam the door..." YOU continue to insist that the OUT article could not have been a typo. I"M stating that yes, in fact it could, and most likely WAS a typo, because - and big drumroll here...........

Wendy, Lisa, AND Susannah have stated MULTIPLE times that Prince was staying at their LA house in early '83, just before and during the time Wendy was asked to join the band.

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All done now ???

lavendardrummachine said:

violetcrush said:

So, um, yeah - Prince was absolutely STAYING AT THEIR HOUSE off and on from January '83 through May/June '83, before he went back to MN to begin PR rehearsals in July.

You keep quoting things that don't support what you're saying, reaching conclusions not in the words being printed, which is fine but you're making conclusive statements.

The problem is...

You don't know if the Wendy and Lisa home they talk about in Out is referencing a house they shared with Susannah.

And Wendy and Lisa were "budding lesbians" from the time Wendy was 16...

And Susannah has said she met Prince when she was 17, or 19, depending on the version of the story.


Nobody, not even Lisa, is ruling out who Lisa is about. So again, what is the point of this?

Wrong info all around up there. Wendy and Lisa were absolutely referring to the house they shared iwth Susannah. Here is her Instagram post last year where she posted a pic of the front of the house along with her post:

*```

Susannah and Wendy were born in Jan, 1964. They were 18 in 1982, so Susannah would still have been 18 when she first met Prince. Wendy, however, would have been 16-17 when she first met Prince, as she was visting Lisa on some of the tour dates. Both of them were attending High School in New Hampshire from '80-'82, so they would not have been doing much traveling around.

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Again, the point of all this is that the song "Lisa" could absolutely have been inspired by Lisa Coleman, as we know Prince often wrote based on those who had a direct impact on his life at the time of the recording. You actually were arguing against the wrong song (Strange Relationship) when I was referring to they lyrics of Strange Way of Saying I Love U, (which Lisa has confirmed was for her), and the fact that they do imply that he had a "thing" for her. THEN, the debate with you and Choco about Wendy's statement in the OUT article, which doesn't make any sense based on the question, because Prince WOULD (NOT WOULDN'T)stay at their house during that time.

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And that pretty much brings us up to date....

violetcrush said:

Again, the point of all this is that the song "Lisa" could absolutely have been inspired by Lisa Coleman,

It's like you're looking for something to argue about when you agree...

You said "Wendy stated they never came out specifically to him, but she stated he knew because he was spending the nights at their house. This was early to mid 1983."



So let me guess, now you think they made a typo on twitter about the date, in addition to a typo in Out magazine?

See, what none of your quotes do is describe a story that negates the possibility that Prince wouldn't stay with them earlier before Susannah arrived.

But since you don't disagree about the song Lisa, none of this matters....

[Edited 4/30/20 1:32am]

lavendardrummachine said:

violetcrush said:

Again, the point of all this is that the song "Lisa" could absolutely have been inspired by Lisa Coleman,

It's like you're looking for something to argue about when you agree...

You said "Wendy stated they never came out specifically to him, but she stated he knew because he was spending the nights at their house. This was early to mid 1983."



So let me guess, now you think they made a typo on twitter about the date, in addition to a typo in Out magazine?

See, what none of your quotes do is describe a story that negates the possibility that Prince wouldn't stay with them earlier before Susannah arrived.

But since you don't disagree about the song Lisa, none of this matters....

[Edited 4/30/20 1:32am]

ChocolateBox3121 said:

lavendardrummachine said:

It's like you're looking for something to argue about when you agree...

You said "Wendy stated they never came out specifically to him, but she stated he knew because he was spending the nights at their house. This was early to mid 1983."



So let me guess, now you think they made a typo on twitter about the date, in addition to a typo in Out magazine?

See, what none of your quotes do is describe a story that negates the possibility that Prince wouldn't stay with them earlier before Susannah arrived.

But since you don't disagree about the song Lisa, none of this matters....

[Edited 4/30/20 1:32am]

Hey Choco.....I guess you missed my response to lavendar above. I'll just post it here again for ya....

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Wrong info all around up there. Wendy and Lisa were absolutely referring to the house they shared iwth Susannah. Here is her Instagram post last year where she posted a pic of the front of the house along with her post:

*```

Susannah and Wendy were born in Jan, 1964. They were 18 in 1982, so Susannah would still have been 18 when she first met Prince. Wendy, however, would have been 16-17 when she first met Prince, as she was visting Lisa on some of the tour dates. Both of them were attending High School in New Hampshire from '80-'82, so they would not have been doing much traveling around.

*

Again, the point of all this is that the song "Lisa" could absolutely have been inspired by Lisa Coleman, as we know Prince often wrote based on those who had a direct impact on his life at the time of the recording. You actually were arguing against the wrong song (Strange Relationship) when I was referring to they lyrics of Strange Way of Saying I Love U, (which Lisa has confirmed was for her), and the fact that they do imply that he had a "thing" for her. THEN, the debate with you and Choco about Wendy's statement in the OUT article, which doesn't make any sense based on the question, because Prince WOULD (NOT WOULDN'T)stay at their house during that time.

*

And that pretty much brings us up to date....

violetcrush said:

And that pretty much brings us up to date....

No, that just has you repeating yourself while ignoring replies trying to make sense on a jumble of confused dates and information with extrataneous quotes. Come back when any of it conclusively addresses when Prince first found out Lisa was Gay.

lavendardrummachine said:

violetcrush said:

And that pretty much brings us up to date....

No, that just has you repeating yourself while ignoring replies trying to make sense on a jumble of confused dates and information with extrataneous quotes. Come back when any of it conclusively addresses when Prince first found out Lisa was Gay.

lavendardrummachine said:

Pray tell, please enlighten us all with showing me the “jumbled dates” and information! Looks like I’m the only one here providing actual dates and detail for this debate. Not sure how much more “on record” we can get than an actual post between Susannah, Wendy, and Questlove, which not only confirms the time period of when Prince lived with them, but even includes an actual picture of their LA house.
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But ya know, y’all can keep up with tryin’ though
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violetcrush said:

lavendardrummachine said:

No, that just has you repeating yourself while ignoring replies trying to make sense on a jumble of confused dates and information with extrataneous quotes. Come back when any of it conclusively addresses when Prince first found out Lisa was Gay.

Pray tell, please enlighten us all with showing me the “jumbled dates” and information! Looks like I’m the only one here providing actual dates and detail for this debate. Not sure how much more “on record” we can get than an actual post between Susannah, Wendy, and Questlove, which not only confirms the time period of when Prince lived with them, but even includes an actual picture of their LA house. * But ya know, y’all can keep up with tryin’ though *

One more time... we don't know when Prince first found out Lisa as an individual is Queer. Absolutely nothing you provided addresses that question.

You've been pretending the question in the Out magazine article was "When did Prince find out you were Gay?", when it was actually "So Prince knew the full extent of your relationship?".

Same article identifies Lisa as falling in Lebian love by 1980, at the time she joined Prince.

If you can't see how that, and imagining typos, or quotes about 1982 don't support your claim of mid 1983, or why that's a jumble, then.....

[Edited 4/30/20 13:06pm]

violetcrush said:

lavendardrummachine said:

You keep quoting things that don't support what you're saying, reaching conclusions not in the words being printed, which is fine but you're making conclusive statements.

The problem is...

You don't know if the Wendy and Lisa home they talk about in Out is referencing a house they shared with Susannah.

And Wendy and Lisa were "budding lesbians" from the time Wendy was 16...

And Susannah has said she met Prince when she was 17, or 19, depending on the version of the story.


Nobody, not even Lisa, is ruling out who Lisa is about. So again, what is the point of this?

Wrong info all around up there. Wendy and Lisa were absolutely referring to the house they shared iwth Susannah. Here is her Instagram post last year where she posted a pic of the front of the house along with her post:

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susannahmelvoin

Where it all began with Wendy & Lisa Susannah And Prince.. our little home where we’d go get him at the airport and he’d come to stay.. Sunset Sound was minutes from our home ..so many stories !so many great beginnings! History in this little house in West Hollywood.. more to come !
Love and kindness ,
Susannah

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....and Wendy's (wigmusic) response after Questlove commented:

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questlove

Verified

So he wouldn’t ever stay at hotels back in 82?

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susannahmelvoin

@questlove no need .. we lived in Los Angeles ..

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butterfliesnsunshine_67

@susannahmelvoin Okay fess up .. he stayed there because U were there 😁💜

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wigmusic (Wendy)

@questlove he loved spending the night with us..

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So, yeah. There ya go. Prince did not live in any other place at any other time with the three of them, other than staying at their place in LA off and on in 1983 during the time that he was recording Purple Rain at Sunset Sound.

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Susannah and Wendy were born in Jan, 1964. They were 18 in 1982, so Susannah would still have been 18 when she first met Prince. Wendy, however, would have been 16-17 when she first met Prince, as she was visting Lisa on some of the tour dates. Both of them were attending High School in New Hampshire from '80-'82, so they would not have been doing much traveling around.

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Again, the point of all this is that the song "Lisa" could absolutely have been inspired by Lisa Coleman, as we know Prince often wrote based on those who had a direct impact on his life at the time of the recording. You actually were arguing against the wrong song (Strange Relationship) when I was referring to they lyrics of Strange Way of Saying I Love U, (which Lisa has confirmed was for her), and the fact that they do imply that he had a "thing" for her. THEN, the debate with you and Choco about Wendy's statement in the OUT article, which doesn't make any sense based on the question, because Prince WOULD (NOT WOULDN'T)stay at their house during that time.

*

And that pretty much brings us up to date....

Am SO excited to be able to see a photo of the house. Yet I am lazy.

The link takes me to Susannah's instagram. Do you by any chance know the approximate date of the post? It would help, as there's a sea of photos on the account.

Love stories I've heard about the house. Want to see those saloon-style bathroom doors!

lavendardrummachine said:

violetcrush said:

lavendardrummachine said: Pray tell, please enlighten us all with showing me the “jumbled dates” and information! Looks like I’m the only one here providing actual dates and detail for this debate. Not sure how much more “on record” we can get than an actual post between Susannah, Wendy, and Questlove, which not only confirms the time period of when Prince lived with them, but even includes an actual picture of their LA house. * But ya know, y’all can keep up with tryin’ though *

One more time... we don't know when Prince first found out Lisa as an individual is Queer. Absolutely nothing you provided addresses that question.

You've been pretending the question in the Out magazine article was "When did Prince find out you were Gay?", when it was actually "So Prince knew the full extent of your relationship?".

Same article identifies Lisa as falling in Lebian love by 1980, at the time she joined Prince.

If you can't see how that, and imagining typos, or quotes about 1982 don't support your claim of mid 1983, or why that's a jumble, then.....

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And....one more time on my end as well.....

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Absolutely nothing you've provided proves that Prince knew anything about Lisa's sexuality when they first met. However, here is what we DO know:

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Prince (during his first 2016 P&M show): "When I first met Lisa she wouldn't look me in the eye. I think, you'll have to ask her why.."

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1981: Prince records "Strange Way" (NOT Strange Relationship) for Lisa which includes lyrics about how he sometimes wants her sexually: "Lisa Coleman mentioned the track during a 2004 interview, admitting that the song was written about her. She was living with Prince in 1981; they had an argument when he suggested she finds her own place; she left and drove around for a few hours; when she returned, Prince had written and recorded this song for her, with the lyric "I guess I have a strange way of saying I love you". In 2017, she repeated the story for Vulture.com, but said she had been out at the only bar in Chanhassen following their conversation, and Prince's technician Don Batts came in to say that Prince wanted to talk to her, and felt bad."

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No one, especially teens and young adults - was coming out publicly about being gay, and in most cases not even to their families. Lisa had just met and started working with Prince. I have no doubt that Lisa would have referred to Wendy as a "good friend" during that time period.

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Lavendardrummachine said: You've been pretending the question in the Out magazine article was "When did Prince find out you were Gay?", when it was actually "So Prince knew the full extent of your relationship?".

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^^^ Wow, so "he knew the full extent of your relationship?" means something other than asking if he knew they were a gay couple?? Okay, sure. You're kidding, right?? The entire interview was about their history with Prince, their career, and hiding/coming out with regard to their sexuality. Nice try though.

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Lavendardrummachine said: Same article identifies Lisa as falling in Lebian love by 1980, at the time she joined Prince.

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Again, as I stated above - you are making the HUGE assumption that Prince knew about Wendy at all, let alone that Lisa opened up to him about her sexualilty - especially now that Prince stated Lisa would not even look him in the eye when they met. So yeah, no. They weren't sitting around tellinlg each other their deepest secrets.

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Lavendardrummachine said: If you can't see how that, and imagining typos, or quotes about 1982 don't support your claim of mid 1983, or why that's a jumble, then.....

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The hypocrisy always amazes me on these threads. Accusations of "assumptions" made after a myriad of responses with nothing but assumptions to attempt to support an opposing view.

You did it again. Here's a perfect example....

You say: "Prince (during his first 2016 P&M show): "When I first met Lisa she wouldn't look me in the eye. I think, you'll have to ask her why.."

The above has nothing to do with anything. Why post it? It's trivial clutter that doesn't prove your point.

I read that quote and wonder how you could think it's relevant. If you think it's innuendo, that again doesn't support your argument, because he's talking about when he first met Lisa.

Then it only gets more tedious and worrisome from there.

You say "Wow, so "he knew the full extent of your relationship?" means something other than asking if he knew they were a gay couple?? Okay, sure. You're kidding, right??"

That's in response to me pointing out that "When did he know you were a Gay couple" is NOT the same question as "When did he find out you're Gay". It's not. The questions are not equivalent. You've totally lost track of the discussion and somehow decided Prince couldn't know about Lisa's sexuality until she's with Wendy. Who says? You assumed and made that up.


You're showing a total break down in logic, and inability to compehend then reply to what I'm saying here. It's impossible to follow what the hell the point is, because you don't even seem to know. Are you over arguing about "mid-1983"??? Apparently.

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lavendardrummachine said:

You did it again. Here's a perfect example....

You say: "Prince (during his first 2016 P&M show): "When I first met Lisa she wouldn't look me in the eye. I think, you'll have to ask her why.."

The above has nothing to do with anything. Why post it? It's trivial clutter that doesn't prove your point.

I read that quote and wonder how you could think it's relevant. If you think it's innuendo, that again doesn't support your argument, because he's talking about when he first met Lisa.

Then it only gets more tedious and worrisome from there.

You say "Wow, so "he knew the full extent of your relationship?" means something other than asking if he knew they were a gay couple?? Okay, sure. You're kidding, right??"

That's in response to me pointing out that "When did he know you were a Gay couple" is NOT the same question as "When did he find out you're Gay". It's not. The questions are not equivalent. You've totally lost track of the discussion and somehow decided Prince couldn't know about Lisa's sexuality until she's with Wendy. Who says? You assumed and made that up.


You're showing a total break down in logic, and inability to compehend then reply to what I'm saying here. It's impossible to follow what the hell the point is, because you don't even seem to know. Are you over arguing about "mid-1983"??? Apparently.

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Nope, no losing track here. I've been returning yours and Choco's weak passes one after the other - although Choco's have mainly been Emoji "high fives" to yours.

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My point with the Prince quote was A. Lisa and Prince were complete strangers when they met, and not comfortable. B. Lisa and Prince are both extremely shy people who were not going to divulge information about their private lives to a person with whom they just met. C. Wendy first met Prince at the shoot for the Sexuality video, which was almost 2 years after Lisa started working with Prince. I've just provided ample and logical reasons why it is more likely that Prince DID NOT know about Lisa's sexual orientation during the 1980-1982 period. You stating they are "illogical" does not make it so. Please point me to where you have provided ANY reasonable information to prove your point, which is that Prince DID most likely know about Lisa being gay. You see, it does not work when you oppose my views - which actually include a basis for belief, but then provide no basis for your own viewpoint except to state that mine is illogical. Round and round we go on that spinning wheel.

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Let's go back yet again to the OUT interview.....

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OUT: So Prince knew the full extent of your relationship? (not sure what else you think the interviewer means here, other than "did he know you were gay")

Wendy: He wouldnt (typo, because as I've proven Wendy has confirmed Prince WOULD spend the night) spend the night at our house. He was very much aware of it.

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Think about Wendy's response for a second. If the word "wouldn't" was not a typed error, then why would Wendy's next sentence be "he was very much aware of it." You see how that makes no sense, correct? Had Prince NOT spent the night with them then her next words would have been "he was not aware of it."

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If you cannot, at the very least, concede my point on the interview question, and Wendy's intended response then we have nothing further to discuss. And for the record, this ridiculously extended "back and forth" began when you negated my view that the song "Lisa" may very well have been written about Lisa Coleman. Every one of my responses has supported that iniitial viewpoint using both logical and documented information. You've provided nothing but opposition using the typical "you're just rambling and illogical" counter with no concrete rebuttal of your own. Typical....

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negated my view that the song "Lisa" may very well have been written about Lisa Coleman.

This is bizarre and I'm not going to insult you, but thre's something up, whether it's reading comprehension or something else, I'm not even going to bother guessing. I'm going to go in a circle one last time out of actual concern for you.

Why would you think I negated your "view" on something I keep pointing out we're in agreement on.

Seriously, like I said, it's concerning.

Next, when Lisa met Prince, and some quote about eye contact that you gave yourself license to assume you have an understanding of what this meant, and don't have to ask Lisa about, despite Prince literally saying you'd have to "ask Lisa" - that's another odd one. When they first met doesn't equate every moment until Prince met Wendy. It doesnt' tell you Lisa would never let Prince know her sexuality, and it also doesn't jive with Lisa's own interview where she talks about the song Lisa, and also says their relationship was full of dramatic arguments.

You then jump to another event in timeline for when he met Wendy, and use that to argue something else it doesn't prove. You continue to ignore explaining how the date when Prince knew about Wendy and the question of when Prince met Wendy can be used to answer the question of when Princee first knew Lisa was Gay. I've said this how many times? You can't answer if Prince knew before meeting Wendy, because you're not Prince, and the quotes you keep bringing up don't address that time period.

It's laughable that you can't drop this.


Nobody is going to concede you were correct in compusively talking about a typo in a quote that isn't a typo,and nobody is going to concede the was any rational reason to arbitrarily argue about mid-1983, or why you're still arguing now that your own posts shot down mid-1983.

But for the final time... we both agree Lisa could be about Lisa Coleman. You apparently will need the last word so have fun...

lavendardrummachine said:

violetcrush said:

negated my view that the song "Lisa" may very well have been written about Lisa Coleman.

This is bizarre and I'm not going to insult you, but thre's something up, whether it's reading comprehension or something else, I'm not even going to bother guessing. I'm going to go in a circle one last time out of actual concern for you.

Why would you think I negated your "view" on something I keep pointing out we're in agreement on.

Seriously, like I said, it's concerning.

Next, when Lisa met Prince, and some quote about eye contact that you gave yourself license to assume you have an understanding of what this meant, and don't have to ask Lisa about, despite Prince literally saying you'd have to "ask Lisa" - that's another odd one. When they first met doesn't equate every moment until Prince met Wendy. It doesnt' tell you Lisa would never let Prince know her sexuality, and it also doesn't jive with Lisa's own interview where she talks about the song Lisa, and also says their relationship was full of dramatic arguments.

You then jump to another event in timeline for when he met Wendy, and use that to argue something else it doesn't prove. You continue to ignore explaining how the date when Prince knew about Wendy and the question of when Prince met Wendy can be used to answer the question of when Princee first knew Lisa was Gay. I've said this how many times? You can't answer if Prince knew before meeting Wendy, because you're not Prince, and the quotes you keep bringing up don't address that time period.

It's laughable that you can't drop this.


Nobody is going to concede you were correct in compusively talking about a typo in a quote that isn't a typo,and nobody is going to concede the was any rational reason to arbitrarily argue about mid-1983, or why you're still arguing now that your own posts shot down mid-1983.

But for the final time... we both agree Lisa could be about Lisa Coleman. You apparently will need the last word so have fun...

Warning:

Waste of time! That person NEVER admits to being wrong and will argue U down in three more threads until the mods step in & snip or delete the thread. Even if U attended events with the associates ,band members, ex wives, etc U are arguing about, it DOES NOT matter.

This person can't admit to EVER being wrong!

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Oh ChocoBlocko, delusion is a tough state of mind

lavendardrummachine said:

violetcrush said:

negated my view that the song "Lisa" may very well have been written about Lisa Coleman.

This is bizarre and I'm not going to insult you, but thre's something up, whether it's reading comprehension or something else, I'm not even going to bother guessing. I'm going to go in a circle one last time out of actual concern for you.

Why would you think I negated your "view" on something I keep pointing out we're in agreement on.

Seriously, like I said, it's concerning.

Next, when Lisa met Prince, and some quote about eye contact that you gave yourself license to assume you have an understanding of what this meant, and don't have to ask Lisa about, despite Prince literally saying you'd have to "ask Lisa" - that's another odd one. When they first met doesn't equate every moment until Prince met Wendy. It doesnt' tell you Lisa would never let Prince know her sexuality, and it also doesn't jive with Lisa's own interview where she talks about the song Lisa, and also says their relationship was full of dramatic arguments.

You then jump to another event in timeline for when he met Wendy, and use that to argue something else it doesn't prove. You continue to ignore explaining how the date when Prince knew about Wendy and the question of when Prince met Wendy can be used to answer the question of when Princee first knew Lisa was Gay. I've said this how many times? You can't answer if Prince knew before meeting Wendy, because you're not Prince, and the quotes you keep bringing up don't address that time period.

It's laughable that you can't drop this.


Nobody is going to concede you were correct in compusively talking about a typo in a quote that isn't a typo,and nobody is going to concede the was any rational reason to arbitrarily argue about mid-1983, or why you're still arguing now that your own posts shot down mid-1983.

But for the final time... we both agree Lisa could be about Lisa Coleman. You apparently will need the last word so have fun...

What has been bizarre and concerning - if you look back and follow this thread, is the fact that you have negated every post of mine - I guess in order to create an opposing view? - and often by using incorrect information......

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First, when you confused the Sexuality video with the Automatic video (your reply #16) to support your idea that Prince probably would have known Lisa was a lesbian, because he had her in the 'tough punky" role doing BDSM with Jill Jones.

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Second, when you confused Prince's song Strange Relationship, which he wrote for Vanity, with Strange Way, which is the song about Lisa that I was referencing to support the view that Prince did have a "thing" for Lisa:

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violetcrush said:

if you listen to the song Strange Way, which he wrote for her. He talks about wanting her sexually but that it might ruin their friendship.

Lavendardrummmachine said:
Not really, he says he took her body and it's a song about dysfunction, but if you're going to read into it....

"Strange" and "happy", could be references to her sexuality. "I didn't like the way you where, so I had to make you mine" could be a reference to being drawn to seduce her because of her sexuality.

It's a song though, I think the only irrefutable interpretation is that it's about their dysfunction and games.

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I corrected your post above in reply #34. Meanwhile....ChocoBlocko gets into the fray with the usual "I know everything that happened because I was there! " BS....so, no question on the sidetracking there.

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Next, your opposition turned from the song "Lisa" possibly having been inspired by Lisa Coleman (which, yes - we both agree on this) to arguing that Prince probably did know Lisa was gay in the 1980-82 period, however, you gave no basis for that reasoning other than him putting her in the BDSM role for the video Automatic.

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Further still, you began opposing my statement about the typed error in OUT interview and Wendy's statement that Prince "would" - not "wouldn't" stay at their house. A simple error which changes the entire meaning of Wendy's statement, especially when you read the next sentence. Then ChocoBlocko gets back in the mix with the ridiculous "that magazine would never have a typo..." or some such drivel. Meanwhile, just about every publication has had to retract and/or correct written errors, but...okay.

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Next, I copied and pasted Susannah Melvoins Instagram post from last year which specifically addressed Prince staying at her, Wendy, and Lisa's little LA house - of which she also verbally detailed and confirmed the time frame in her TWO interviews with Toure - a chunck of which I posted here as a reply to Choco. My post #39:

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After explaining how she first met Prince at La Dome at the WB Christmas party and then going with Wendy to watch the band filming of LRC and 1999 in late 82/early '83:
"It was within a few weeks that he was back in town, and calling Lisa and Wendy, and we were picking him up at the airport. Wendy and Lisa would start first. Lisa had a car this great car we used to call Betty Flounder, it was this peach beautiful thing - anyway - drive to the airport, pick him up and take him back to our place."

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Toure: "So, how did it progress to more?"

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Susannah: "Well that particular period of time he was coming to CA a lot (remembering the chain of events) So, he was shooting the 1999 video and LRC after the Christmas party, so I went with my sister to the set, so I suppoe he was out here for that - maybe they were even shooting that Rolling Stone cover, Vanity and he - it may have been that they were shooting it at that time, and he was doing the 1999 video and LRC , and so I'd gone to the set and I'd seen this whole life and what Lisa was doing, and it was just really exciting, and I was so proud of Lisa, and the following day I went right back to work - right back to Geffen records, answering the phones, and they all left back to MN. And that's when Prince started coming back. And he started flying in, and it was then they were just finishing up touring - so he was coiming to CA a lot, and he started wanting to stay with Lisa and Wendy, and I was there.

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Susannah describing Prince staying at their house:

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(Describes how tiny the house was) "But he would come and stay with us. And he would stay on our couch, and we had many funny nights where I'd be in my room, which was right off the living room, and there's the couch five feet from my bed, and we had two persian cats and they would jump on him in the middle of the night. And you would hear "Lisa, Wendy, can you come get the cats?"

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You then respond with post #47 : "If you can't see how that, and imagining typos, or quotes about 1982 don't support your claim of mid 1983, or why that's a jumble, then....."

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Problem with this response is that my quoted information was NOT from 1982. Susannah met Prince at the WB Christmas party which would have been December 1982. She stated it was within a few weeks that he began calling Lisa and asking if he could stay with them, and he would stay with them off and on from January '83 through May/June '83 - which is actually "early", not mid '83. So, AGAIN no, I was not, and am not getting my dates, videos, or quotes confused here. However, you have confused many things in your attempt to oppose my statements and/or claims that "there must be something wrong with you". This is gaslighting at it's best. But, gaslighting is tough to accomplish when we have a written record of statements.

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So, here's a nutshell recap of where we are in this arduous debate:

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1. We both agree that the song "Lisa" may very well have been inspired by Lisa Coleman.

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2. We do not agree on when Prince may have known that Lisa was gay. You are stating he most likely knew before he met Wendy or stayed at their house. I am stating that he confirmed it when he began staying at their LA house, based on the song Strange Way, and because I do not think he and Lisa would have had those discussions.

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3. You do not think that the OUT magazine has a typed error on Wendy's statement about Prince staying at their house. I do think it is an error based on Wendy's full statement, as well as, several written and verbal interviews which confirm that Prince WAS staying at their house during that time period - just before and then after Wendy joined the band.

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Have I missed anything??

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violetcrush said:

Everyone has had a crush on Lisa, including Prince

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And the winner is....

Lisa IS sexy as hell(eyes, smile... ) And she appears to be nice as well.

Lisa, Brenda, Gayle and me.

JoeyC said:

violetcrush said:

Everyone has had a crush on Lisa, including Prince

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And the winner is....

Lisa IS sexy as hell(eyes, smile... ) And she appears to be nice as well.

Lisa, Brenda, Gayle and me.

rednblue said:

violetcrush said:

Wrong info all around up there. Wendy and Lisa were absolutely referring to the house they shared iwth Susannah. Here is her Instagram post last year where she posted a pic of the front of the house along with her post:

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susannahmelvoin

Where it all began with Wendy & Lisa Susannah And Prince.. our little home where we’d go get him at the airport and he’d come to stay.. Sunset Sound was minutes from our home ..so many stories !so many great beginnings! History in this little house in West Hollywood.. more to come !
Love and kindness ,
Susannah

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....and Wendy's (wigmusic) response after Questlove commented:

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questlove

Verified

So he wouldn’t ever stay at hotels back in 82?

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susannahmelvoin

@questlove no need .. we lived in Los Angeles ..

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butterfliesnsunshine_67

@susannahmelvoin Okay fess up .. he stayed there because U were there 😁💜

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wigmusic (Wendy)

@questlove he loved spending the night with us..

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So, yeah. There ya go. Prince did not live in any other place at any other time with the three of them, other than staying at their place in LA off and on in 1983 during the time that he was recording Purple Rain at Sunset Sound.

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Susannah and Wendy were born in Jan, 1964. They were 18 in 1982, so Susannah would still have been 18 when she first met Prince. Wendy, however, would have been 16-17 when she first met Prince, as she was visting Lisa on some of the tour dates. Both of them were attending High School in New Hampshire from '80-'82, so they would not have been doing much traveling around.

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Again, the point of all this is that the song "Lisa" could absolutely have been inspired by Lisa Coleman, as we know Prince often wrote based on those who had a direct impact on his life at the time of the recording. You actually were arguing against the wrong song (Strange Relationship) when I was referring to they lyrics of Strange Way of Saying I Love U, (which Lisa has confirmed was for her), and the fact that they do imply that he had a "thing" for her. THEN, the debate with you and Choco about Wendy's statement in the OUT article, which doesn't make any sense based on the question, because Prince WOULD (NOT WOULDN'T)stay at their house during that time.

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And that pretty much brings us up to date....

Am SO excited to be able to see a photo of the house. Yet I am lazy.

The link takes me to Susannah's instagram. Do you by any chance know the approximate date of the post? It would help, as there's a sea of photos on the account.

Love stories I've heard about the house. Want to see those saloon-style bathroom doors!

Crap!! Sorry Rednblue - just seeing this post today. Too many "debating" posts flying around, and I missed this one.

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Here is the link to Susannah's post about the "litte house" in LA where she, Wendy, and Lisa lived, and where Prince would spend the night. It's just a pic of the front of the house, as I'm sure it's occupied. Would be great if the current residents would let her in to take pics, although, I would think the "saloon" doors would have been converted to "real" doors by now

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https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx_cktklqqe/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

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Original date posted was May 27, 2019

jrrttwalter said:

Am I the only person who had a crush on lovely Lisa?❤️

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NO YOU ARE NOT..

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that shot of Lisa in the "mountains" video.. where uses her lips to blow her hair upwards.. towards the end of that video.....