PeggyO said:

Mumio said:

PeggyO said:

Sorry, if this is off-topic, but as a woman I have sometimes wondered if most/many men look up to or respect men who date/have sex with multiple women?

I don't think it is a 'thing' for women to date multiple men?

Actually, this is the way dating went back in the 70's into the 80's, for women and men. No one was looking for a life-time hookup on a first date like people do now. Everybody knew what was what so there was no confusion. Since Prince was a teen in the 70's, I'm pretty sure he did the same as we all did, and that seemed to stay with him throughout his life....or at least it appeared that way.

I hear the term Playa, Pimp and it seems to be said with admiration.

I'm more interested in what men think about guys who have multiple women in their 40-50's?

Is that admired by most men?

onlyforaminute said:

PeggyO said:

Sorry, if this is off-topic, but as a woman I have sometimes wondered if most/many men look up to or respect men who date/have sex with multiple women?

I don't think it is a 'thing' for women to date multiple men?

Yes, its a badge of masculine virility to many even if they'd never admit it. Prince talked about all the girls his dad (who he greatly admired) had around him in interviews. It's an unspoken thing that goes way back. It's a thing for women having a bunch of men chasing after them while the woman constantly rejecting them, that's feminine desirability. You just woke up to the game? Never noticed these "special" magazine covers? [Edited 11/26/19 19:50pm]

I was asking the guys on this thread as it would seem to me that one would 'grow out of it'

It seems a bit adolescent to me after a certain age, that's all. (I'm a woman though)

PeggyO said:

PeggyO said:

onlyforaminute said:

PeggyO said: Yes, its a badge of masculine virility to many even if they'd never admit it. Prince talked about all the girls his dad (who he greatly admired) had around him in interviews. It's an unspoken thing that goes way back. It's a thing for women having a bunch of men chasing after them while the woman constantly rejecting them, that's feminine desirability. You just woke up to the game? Never noticed these "special" magazine covers? [Edited 11/26/19 19:50pm]

I was asking the guys on this thread as it would seem to me that one would 'grow out of it'

It seems a bit adolescent to me after a certain age, that's all. (I'm a woman though)

I think most people men and women are very juvenile when it comes to dating/sex/relationships still.
The thing most of us want to do, but in the dark. We cannot even say 'have sex etc' we still say 'go to bed'

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I think it is immature after a certain age. But it also depends. If people like sex and courting multiple relationships, as long as no one is being mislead, I have no problem with that.
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And I do know of women that have a few men for different needs. Sometimes it is people who are older that find these relationship more convienent for them. They don't want to get married, but they also don't want hardcore committment like in their 20s.

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People who are jet setters. For whatever reason spending time in multiple locations over the year. I can see how that is a workable situation.

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But being a 'player' is just juvenile to me. Game players. These are the people that end up in court.

But like onlyforaminute said, it is probably a very 'natural' things of desirability for men and for women. If we are not much different from animals, but we just have technology, then it sorta makes sense.

Mumio said:

PeggyO said:

Sorry, if this is off-topic, but as a woman I have sometimes wondered if most/many men look up to or respect men who date/have sex with multiple women?

I don't think it is a 'thing' for women to date multiple men?

Actually, this is the way dating went back in the 70's into the 80's, for women and men. No one was looking for a life-time hookup on a first date like people do now. Everybody knew what was what so there was no confusion. Since Prince was a teen in the 70's, I'm pretty sure he did the same as we all did, and that seemed to stay with him throughout his life....or at least it appeared that way.

And Prince was very much a 'bohemian' and like the Hippie culture. Uphoria Highway

Chapter 1 HOME

p 10-11

Prince's friend and surrogate brother, Andre Anderson, was also musically inclined, and the 2 began to jam together regularly in his mother's basement.

Upstairs, Prince shared a bedroom with Anderson. Despite being good friends, they were poor roommates; Anderson's side of the room was cluttered and disorganized, while Prince's was as meticulously ordered as a Marine barrack. Although he no longer lived with his father, Nelson's disciplined approach to life remained a significant influence on Prince, who sought greater order and privacy by moving into the basement...

Downstairs, he had much easier access to his instruments; already, Prince had started blending the distinction between home and musical workplace. Moreover, the basement became something of a private universe - a small slice of the world where he was in total control. A dark space with little natural light, it was nonetheless where he felt most comfortable, and it provided a prototype for the cloistered recording studios where he would spend the majority of his waking hours over the next thirty-plus years.

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The Anderson basement - Prince's bedroom and rehearsal space - also represented his first attempt to create an alternative community based around music and, perhaps, sex. Years later in interviews, Prince would recall it as a hedonistic wonderland where he and Anderson engaged in carnal acts with a variety of girlfriends.

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"My impression is that there were a lot of girls in that basement," said Howard Bloom, Prince's press agent during the 1980s. "He had grown up in the 1960's and the message was make love, not war. In the basement, he was going for liberation and entitlement to any sort of sexuality, pleasure, and enjoyment."

OF4S, people don't know what they missed growing up in those days. I wouldn't trade any of that for anything, it was a great time to be young and open to most anything. I'm not gonna even go into the music we had then, so much talent seen and heard. There's been nothing like it since imo and I don't think we're gonna ever see that again except on a very small scale

Mumio said:

OF4S, people don't know what they missed growing up in those days. I wouldn't trade any of that for anything, it was a great time to be young and open to most anything. I'm not gonna even go into the music we had then, so much talent seen and heard. There's been nothing like it since imo and I don't think we're gonna ever see that again except on a very small scale

I was awake enough to have experienced it, even if 2nd hand lol my parents and their parties lol

My mom kept a disco ball up in the house until the mid 1990s lol and her love beads lol

60s 70s 80s never anything like it again.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Mumio said:

OF4S, people don't know what they missed growing up in those days. I wouldn't trade any of that for anything, it was a great time to be young and open to most anything. I'm not gonna even go into the music we had then, so much talent seen and heard. There's been nothing like it since imo and I don't think we're gonna ever see that again except on a very small scale

I was awake enough to have experienced it, even if 2nd hand lol my parents and their parties lol

My mom kept a disco ball up in the house until the mid 1990s lol and her love beads lol

60s 70s 80s never anything like it again.

Thanks, guys, for responding. I guess the pimp/playa life would best suited to a single guy with no kids.

Kids can really take away your "game".

Love the Disco Ball!

Unless you just want to be a baby daddy (S)

[Edited 11/27/19 12:26pm]

OldFriends4Sale said:

PeggyO said:

onlyforaminute said:

PeggyO said: Yes, its a badge of masculine virility to many even if they'd never admit it. Prince talked about all the girls his dad (who he greatly admired) had around him in interviews. It's an unspoken thing that goes way back. It's a thing for women having a bunch of men chasing after them while the woman constantly rejecting them, that's feminine desirability. You just woke up to the game? Never noticed these "special" magazine covers? [Edited 11/26/19 19:50pm]

I was asking the guys on this thread as it would seem to me that one would 'grow out of it'

It seems a bit adolescent to me after a certain age, that's all. (I'm a woman though)

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It doesn't get boring to have sex with new attractive women until your libido drops significantly. Men are dogs, but obviously made that way by evolution.

violetcrush said:

Okay, regarding the use of the “pimp” label - I just watched the December 15th ONA Live Show in Vegas. Prince recruits Maceo Parker to bring up some women to dance onstage. While Maceo is choosing the women Prince jokingly says, “come on you old pimp!!”. * So there’s some confirmation that it was not a derogatory term for that generation.

there is a generation that says the N word is not derogatory as well...

PimP is still Pimp, people (even Prince) in a moment forget what 'Pimp' is...

PeggyO said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I was awake enough to have experienced it, even if 2nd hand lol my parents and their parties lol

My mom kept a disco ball up in the house until the mid 1990s lol and her love beads lol

60s 70s 80s never anything like it again.

Thanks, guys, for responding. I guess the pimp/playa life would best suited to a single guy with no kids.

Kids can really take away your "game".

Love the Disco Ball!

Unless you just want to be a baby daddy (S)

[Edited 11/27/19 12:26pm]

there are a lot of single guys with no kids who want nothing to do with a pimp/playa lifestyle. It's basically using women. It is one thing for adults to have honest relationships(multiple) that is not being a player or pimp.

And I know too many married me, trying to hold onto being a playa.

and sadly too many women will to play the part of the 'hoe'

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

there is a generation that says the N word is not derogatory as well...

PimP is still Pimp, people (even Prince) in a moment forget what 'Pimp' is...

But again, it seems that Prince and the guys of his generation used it in a fun and/or positive way - in that it meant a guy who could get many women. * Prince also jokingly used the N word a lot up until his JW period.

Here is an article on the history of the word "pimp": https://slate.com/human-i...-pimp.html


But the word has seen a renaissance of sorts, with a strong increase in use in recent years. Media attention to (and glamorization of) the stereotype of the inner-city pimp brought such terms as pimpmobile and pimp walk—an ostentatious swagger affected chiefly by African-American men—to public attention in the 1970s. More recently, we’ve seen the advent of a range of benign figurative uses. We can now pimp our possessions, making them flashily decorated or customized, a use mainstreamed by MTV’s car-detailing show, Pimp My Ride. An attractive or appealing man may be called a pimp, and this is viewed as a positive description. To describe something using the accolade pimping is to mark it as wonderful or exciting. Jay-Z’s 2001 hit “Big Pimpin’” used the term as shorthand for a livin’-large lifestyle.

With the Pimp game, I think there is a level of deceit and 'mind' control that I don't care for.

It is different than having multiple relationships where all parties are aware of their status.

I have felt, though at times on this forum, that there is secret admiration of the Pimp game by some of the guys. It likely signals dominance/status.

PeggyO said:

benni said:

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

there is a generation that says the N word is not derogatory as well...

PimP is still Pimp, people (even Prince) in a moment forget what 'Pimp' is...

But again, it seems that Prince and the guys of his generation used it in a fun and/or positive way - in that it meant a guy who could get many women. * Prince also jokingly used the N word a lot up until his JW period.

Yep, Im familiar with the term. It's not just his generation. Anyone who lived in the 70s and 80s would be familiar with it.

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There are places that still have 'Player Balls' where basically pimps and guys who want to emulate them show up in their flash with their 'bitches and hoes'

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I'm seen women prostituted. section of NYC where the women were bare naked except for jewlery heels and maybe a coat depending on the weather. I knew of an Irish girl who was being pimped out by her boyfriend to make ends meet.

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I will never find 'humor' or respect in the term PIMP

benni said:

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said: But again, it seems that Prince and the guys of his generation used it in a fun and/or positive way - in that it meant a guy who could get many women. * Prince also jokingly used the N word a lot up until his JW period.

Here is an article on the history of the word "pimp": https://slate.com/human-i...-pimp.html


But the word has seen a renaissance of sorts, with a strong increase in use in recent years. Media attention to (and glamorization of) the stereotype of the inner-city pimp brought such terms as pimpmobile and pimp walk—an ostentatious swagger affected chiefly by African-American men—to public attention in the 1970s. More recently, we’ve seen the advent of a range of benign figurative uses. We can now pimp our possessions, making them flashily decorated or customized, a use mainstreamed by MTV’s car-detailing show, Pimp My Ride. An attractive or appealing man may be called a pimp, and this is viewed as a positive description. To describe something using the accolade pimping is to mark it as wonderful or exciting. Jay-Z’s 2001 hit “Big Pimpin’” used the term as shorthand for a livin’-large lifestyle.

Yeah I remember that stuff. I've never used that term. I cannot.

"Hey big pimpin'..." said to me like a good thing. I always corrected it when said to me.

Pimpin is usually living large based on using women (or men)

but what DOES the "I" in pimp stand for???

I don't think that Wally understood the 'music' and the senergy of what each era and project was to express. I still believe the Parade era could have been on a whole different level of artistry, if it wasn't for certain things happening.
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I still would like to know more information about how the Family was to present the vision, seeing all the extended band members, including Wally & Gregory

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't think that Wally understood the 'music' and the senergy of what each era and project was to express. I still believe the Parade era could have been on a whole different level of artistry, if it wasn't for certain things happening.
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I still would like to know more information about how the Family was to present the vision, seeing all the extended band members, including Wally & Gregory

I know. I think Paul leaving the camp really changed the trajectory of the Parade era. Although, if Prince would still have disbanded The Revolution Susannah would most likely still have left with Wendy and Lisa, and that would have ended The Family - unless they had opened for The Revolution on the Parade tour and gained popularity. Then she may have stayed on awhile longer. * So hard to speculate how things would have played out. Prince should have toured the US too. I think it would have done well and helped with album sales too. The original Crystal Ball would have been so great.

Yes, I think by adding the dancers, it defocused, I think, from more musical expression on the tour vs Hitting and Running

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It might be hard to speculate, but it is fun lol

I always thought it would have been cool to have David Coleman, Novi Novog and Suzi Katayama on the tour and Eddie Me(which I always love him with Sheila E)

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes, I think by adding the dancers, it defocused, I think, from more musical expression on the tour vs Hitting and Running

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It might be hard to speculate, but it is fun lol

I always thought it would have been cool to have David Coleman, Novi Novog and Suzi Katayama on the tour and Eddie Me(which I always love him with Sheila E)

Yes, all of those extras would have been fantastic - better than just the dancers. It would actually have resembled his ONA and Musicology shows. I guess he wasn’t ready for that at the time.

Depends, on what the Parade tours show would have looked like prior to the Family breakup(the stage set up is almost identical to how the Family band was set

KoolEaze said:

Revolution81 said:

Has its cover changed now or is it still the same ? I read that they wanted to change it for the release. I ´ve always liked that Purple Rain era picture of Prince and Wally at an airport. Wally doesn´t look very big in that picture, especially walking next to Prince. He always looked much taller to me in the SOTT movie.

I am reading Wally's book now, he states that he is 5'10".

Corrie Dana is writing a book too she was the gorgeous girl in the Love For Another vh1 special, she talks all about making that special, on Prince being a slave, his hating of mtv and vh1, also she was hired to make Mayte jealous to force her into getting married, also she speaks on Prince making her learn all those dictionary references in the show, and how he gave her a gold dictionary with a symbol on it. It will be out October 9th 2020 the 25th anniversary of its filming date. Reserve your copies now, it's being released by whogiveafuck publishing , she will be singing every copy because they don't anticipate many sold and for a donation of $319 she will come to your house and reinact the special.

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