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Thread started 10/06/19 2:39pm

Morgaine

P's Relationships - Influences & Inspirations 1978-1990

Decided to start a thread with a slightly different angle on P's intimate relationships with women.
Instead of which woman was most important to him & it being some sort of bizarre, patriarchal fest of which woman was #1, how about we talk about how each positively influenced & inspired him?
I'll start with Denise who positively influenced & inspired him to create Purple Rain and if not for Purple Rain a great many of us would have never been so inspired by him.
Next? wink

ETA - I decided to break it down into 3 eras, this thread is for the years 1978-1990. If you wish to discuss people from either 1991-2000 or 2001-2016 please post in those threads.
I also would love it if we could discuss males who influenced him as well - the more the merrier!!
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Reply #1 posted 10/06/19 5:35pm

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I have a soft spot for Jill Jones. I think not only had a great voice but had a sexy presence on such videos as Automatic and 1999 (to name 2).

She was one of the first women to perform with Prince and was talented. I think she may feel over-looked.

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Reply #2 posted 10/06/19 6:12pm

Morgaine

PeggyO said:

I have a soft spot for Jill Jones. I think not only had a great voice but had a sexy presence on such videos as Automatic and 1999 (to name 2).


She was one of the first women to perform with Prince and was talented. I think she may feel over-looked.


Yes she was very talented & generally doesn't seem to get the kudos she deserves. I think she was overlooked a lot at times.
I also think she was someone who told him the truth, which is a definite positive influence on him though I think he didn't like that a lot either. It seems he had issues with his girlfriends agreeing with him & often would cut people off if they disagreed which is not a healthy way to live. Unfortunately, I think ties attitude coupled with the isolation of fame was a factor in his death.
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Reply #3 posted 10/06/19 8:03pm

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I like this idea. I’ll add my comments later. But let’s please be gentle with one another. He would want that, right? We all collectively love and miss Prince.
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Reply #4 posted 10/07/19 5:34am

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PeggyO said:

I have a soft spot for Jill Jones. I think not only had a great voice but had a sexy presence on such videos as Automatic and 1999 (to name 2).

She was one of the first women to perform with Prince and was talented. I think she may feel over-looked.

Gayle Chapman, then Lisa Coleman were the first (not sexual)-well the story still abounds of Prince & Lisa when she first came to Minni. Gayles performances on stage with Prince during the Prince touring and Fire It Up openings were very saucy.

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Her feeling overlooked had more to do with her choice to avoid being associated with Prince for a long time. She even talked about bartending, and someone asked if she was Jill Jones from Purple Rain and she started speaking French and pretending she was not. As well as no connection with Prince after 1990 until Denise's funeral. I remember her talking about some kind of agreement of sorts that she had with Prince where crediting was concerne...

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Prince was able to explore racial fluidity with Jill Jones(as well as a few others) but that being a large part of is expression. I believe it helped him to be able to move through his musical expressions racially and gender more easily. Prince obviously felt a cool contrasts connection with her and was able to think things through with her. She was an innocently worldly lady.

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Reply #5 posted 10/07/19 5:40am

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Morgaine said:

Decided to start a thread with a slightly different angle on P's intimate relationships with women. Instead of which woman was most important to him & it being some sort of bizarre, patriarchal fest of which woman was #1, how about we talk about how each positively influenced & inspired him? I'll start with Denise who positively influenced & inspired him to create Purple Rain and if not for Purple Rain a great many of us would have never been so inspired by him. Next? wink

Yes she did, but the idea of Purple Rain started before he met Vanity as well. The 2nd Coming movie(the Hookers) morphed into Purple Rain. We should give a full expression of the inspiration for Purple Rain which was everyone in the camp actually. The 1999 tour with Prince & the noituloveR, The Time and Vanity 6 and they dynamics were pulled together by Al Magnoli after looking at what the 2nd Coming was and the direction Prince was thinking of. But Purple Rain was going to happen no matter what. I wish Prince would have amped up the $ for her for Purple Rain though

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But yes the energy of his tumultuous relationship with the muse Denise Matthews helped fuel a lot of Purple Rain. Her mixed heritage and gender expression Prince definately absorbed. Reading the lyrics to Vagina, Prince may have picked up her energy as male and female, and maybe fueled him to play more with that symbolism. The lyrics to the song are a bit weird for me, who tends to like the weird from Prince.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

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I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #6 posted 10/07/19 5:42am

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Can we include everyone outside of 'love relationships/females'? because a lot of songs were influenced and inspired by male friends/bandmembers/proteges, WB associates, family, employees too. I think these groups especially the men are always overlooked

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Reply #7 posted 10/07/19 9:39am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Can we include everyone outside of 'love relationships/females'? because a lot of songs were influenced and inspired by male friends/bandmembers/proteges, WB associates, family, employees too. I think these groups especially the men are always overlooked



Yes, yes, please talk about male inspirations!

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Reply #8 posted 10/07/19 9:46am

Morgaine

OldFriends4Sale said:



Morgaine said:


Decided to start a thread with a slightly different angle on P's intimate relationships with women. Instead of which woman was most important to him & it being some sort of bizarre, patriarchal fest of which woman was #1, how about we talk about how each positively influenced & inspired him? I'll start with Denise who positively influenced & inspired him to create Purple Rain and if not for Purple Rain a great many of us would have never been so inspired by him. Next? wink


Yes she did, but the idea of Purple Rain started before he met Vanity as well. The 2nd Coming movie(the Hookers) morphed into Purple Rain. We should give a full expression of the inspiration for Purple Rain which was everyone in the camp actually. The 1999 tour with Prince & the noituloveR, The Time and Vanity 6 and they dynamics were pulled together by Al Magnoli after looking at what the 2nd Coming was and the direction Prince was thinking of. But Purple Rain was going to happen no matter what. I wish Prince would have amped up the $ for her for Purple Rain though


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But yes the energy of his tumultuous relationship with the muse Denise Matthews helped fuel a lot of Purple Rain. Her mixed heritage and gender expression Prince definately absorbed. Reading the lyrics to Vagina, Prince may have picked up her energy as male and female, and maybe fueled him to play more with that symbolism. The lyrics to the song are a bit weird for me, who tends to like the weird from Prince.






Yes, I wish she had been in movie, too. I also agree that the influences & inspiration for PR was much more than Denise & that those around at the time also inspired P a great deal.
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Reply #9 posted 10/07/19 9:46am

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Can we include everyone outside of 'love relationships/females'? because a lot of songs were influenced and inspired by male friends/bandmembers/proteges, WB associates, family, employees too. I think these groups especially the men are always overlooked



Of course! A great idea!!!
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Reply #10 posted 10/07/19 6:48pm

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Morgaine said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes she did, but the idea of Purple Rain started before he met Vanity as well. The 2nd Coming movie(the Hookers) morphed into Purple Rain. We should give a full expression of the inspiration for Purple Rain which was everyone in the camp actually. The 1999 tour with Prince & the noituloveR, The Time and Vanity 6 and they dynamics were pulled together by Al Magnoli after looking at what the 2nd Coming was and the direction Prince was thinking of. But Purple Rain was going to happen no matter what. I wish Prince would have amped up the $ for her for Purple Rain though

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SpeedyLinearBlackmamba-max-1mb.gif

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But yes the energy of his tumultuous relationship with the muse Denise Matthews helped fuel a lot of Purple Rain. Her mixed heritage and gender expression Prince definately absorbed. Reading the lyrics to Vagina, Prince may have picked up her energy as male and female, and maybe fueled him to play more with that symbolism. The lyrics to the song are a bit weird for me, who tends to like the weird from Prince.

The words to Vagina struck me as well. Don't wish to derail but this song may need it's own thread.

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Reply #11 posted 10/07/19 7:04pm

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PeggyO said:



Morgaine said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



Yes she did, but the idea of Purple Rain started before he met Vanity as well. The 2nd Coming movie(the Hookers) morphed into Purple Rain. We should give a full expression of the inspiration for Purple Rain which was everyone in the camp actually. The 1999 tour with Prince & the noituloveR, The Time and Vanity 6 and they dynamics were pulled together by Al Magnoli after looking at what the 2nd Coming was and the direction Prince was thinking of. But Purple Rain was going to happen no matter what. I wish Prince would have amped up the $ for her for Purple Rain though


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But yes the energy of his tumultuous relationship with the muse Denise Matthews helped fuel a lot of Purple Rain. Her mixed heritage and gender expression Prince definately absorbed. Reading the lyrics to Vagina, Prince may have picked up her energy as male and female, and maybe fueled him to play more with that symbolism. The lyrics to the song are a bit weird for me, who tends to like the weird from Prince.








The words to Vagina struck me as well. Don't wish to derail but this song may need it's own thread.




Prince seemed to look for mirror images of himself in women and use that inspiration to influence not only the music but also clothing, behavior, etc.
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Reply #12 posted 10/17/19 9:36am

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I always felt Morris Day was the inspiration for the Dream Factory outtake Movie Star

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Is poverty bringing U down?
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Reply #13 posted 10/17/19 1:09pm

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Morgaine said:

PeggyO said:

The words to Vagina struck me as well. Don't wish to derail but this song may need it's own thread.

Prince seemed to look for mirror images of himself in women and use that inspiration to influence not only the music but also clothing, behavior, etc.

That's something that struck me, too, throughout the years...

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Reply #14 posted 10/17/19 2:07pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:

I always felt Morris Day was the inspiration for the Dream Factory outtake Movie Star

I mean, that is a pretty common observation given it is in the Crystal Ball liner notes. razz

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