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Reply #30 posted 04/20/19 8:14am

Un2TheJoyFanta
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Apollonia knew him well, clearly she believes what she wrote, and must have a reason for writing it. We will just have to wait to hear what she tells everyone when the times comes.

But let's face it, most people don't think for themselves in todays world, instead letting the latest audio snippet or headline do the thinking for them without a second thought........"oh another rock star dead of an overdose? Ok sure, that makes sense......I wonder what's on Netflix tonight"?

All one needs to do is simple math to understand that things are not what they seem to be.

The toxicology report numbers below in this article, a mainstream article from a well known reputable outlet, paint a differnet story. And these numbers are accurate, you can find them on every article on the tox report that is out there. I highly suggest you see this article for yourself and look at the 3 numbers delivered before reading this post further.

https://bit.ly/2DcA926

The stomach number for the drug was FOURTEEN THOUSAND MG! Not microgams....milligrams! 2mg is deadly! The blood and liver numbers, although deadly, paled significantly in comparison to the gastric numbers. The liver was naturally the next highest at 435mg and blood naturally being the next lowest of the three at 69mg. Prince died long before his body could process the amount of the drug in his stomach, the liver and blood numbers show this. Given ingestion as the entry point, the highest amount remained in his stomach, which was enough to kill someone Prince's size over 10,000 times.



What does this mean?



The drug was ingested - again, we know this because of the GIANT amount in his stomach, the liver and blood numbers show he was gone long before his body could even process a percentage of what hit his stomach. We know it was not injected because his blood levels would have shown the giant dose and not his stomach if that was the case. The autopsy report also confirmed it was not injection.

The dose was NOT delivered by pills. Why? Because to have that many milligrams in your stomach, it means Prince would have had to have 'accidentally' eaten either 6800+ counterfeit pills at around 2mg, or, 560,000 regular pills at a .025microgram dose (normal dose for these pills), in under a minute. Does it make any sense to you that anyone could accidentally overdose on that many pills? Of course it doesn't. Does it make any sense that it was Prince's intent to ingest thousands of these pills? Of course it doesn't. It is just not humanly possible to get that amount in your stomach in pill form......you would be long dead after only a handful of pills.

The does was ingested, but it was NOT in pill form. What other forms of the drug are there? I don't know, but it certaintly was not pills based on the amount in his stomach. However the dose got there though, it was most definitely swallowed.



Why did the investigation continue to focus on pills pills pills pills pills, when they saw these numbers too, and surely had to come to the same conclusion. An answer we will likely never know, but there is literally no scenerio using pills that could get 14,000 milligrams in ones stomach.


Knowing the above, it is then natural to speculate even further on things, but I am just sticking to the math, which is indisuputable. The intent is not to point fingers with this post (because I really wouldn't know who to point them at), or to speculate on what other form of the drug he could have ingested. it is merely to bring to light that the numbers involved make the pill overdose narrative just not possible.



[Edited 4/20/19 8:39am]

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Reply #31 posted 04/20/19 8:33am

coldcoffeeandc
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Un2TheJoyFantastic said:

Apollonia knew him well, clearly she believes what she wrote, and must have a reason for writing it. We will just have to wait to hear what she tells everyone when the times comes.


But let's face it, most people don't think for themselves in todays world, instead letting the latest audio snippet or headline do the thinking for them without a second thought....."oh another rock star dead of an overdose? Ok sure, that makes sense.....I wonder what's on Netflix tonight"?




All one needs to do is simple math to understand that things are not what they seem to be.



The toxicology report numbers below in this article, a mainstream article from a well known reputable outlet, paint a differnet story. And these numbers are accurate, you can find them on every article on the tox report that is out there. I highly suggest you see this article for yourself and look at the 3 numbers delivered before reading this post further.


https://bit.ly/2DcA926

The stomach number for the drug was FOURTEEN THOUSAND MG! Not microgams....milligrams! 2mg is deadly! The blood and liver numbers, although deadly, paled significantly in comparison to the gastric numbers. The liver was naturally the next highest at 435mg and blood naturally being the next lowest of the three at 69mg. Prince died long before his body could process the amount of the drug in his stomach, the liver and blood numbers show this. Given ingestion as the entry point, the highest amount remained in his stomach, which was enough to kill someone Prince's size over 10,000 times.





What does this mean?





The drug was ingested - again, we know this because of the GIANT amount in his stomach, the liver and blood numbers show he was gone long before his body could even process a percentage of what hit his stomach. We know it was not injected because his blood levels would have shown the giant dose and not his stomach if that was the case. The autopsy report also confirmed it was not injection.

The dose was NOT delivered by pills. Why? Because to have that many milligrams in your stomach, it means Prince would have had to have 'accidentally' eaten either 6800+ counterfeit pills at around 2mg, or, 560,000 regular pills at a .025microgram dose (normal dose for these pills), in under a minute. Does it make any sense to you that anyone could accidentally overdose on that many pills? Of course it doesn't. Does it make any sense that it was Prince's intent to ingest thousands of these pills? Of course it doesn't. It is just not humanly possible to get that amount in your stomach in pill form.....you would be long dead after only a handful of pills.


The does was ingested, but it was NOT in pill form. What other forms of the drug are there? I don't know, but it certaintly was not pills based on the amount in his stomach. However the dose got there though, it was most definitely swallowed.





Why did the investigation continue to focus on pills pills pills pills pills, when they saw these numbers too, and surely had to come to the same conclusion. An answer we will likely never know, but there is literally no scenerio using pills that could get 14,000 milligrams in ones stomach.



Knowing the above, it is then natural to speculate even further on things, but I am just sticking to the math, which is indisuputable. The intent is not to point fingers with this email (because I really wouldn't know who to point them at), or to speculate on what other form of the drug he could have ingested. it is merely to bring to light that the numbers involved make the pill overdose narrative just not possible.





[Edited 4/20/19 8:21am]



I’ve always felt it was dodgy and this is a very interesting post indeed. The lightning fast cremation (can’t believe I’m writing this, even now about him) always struck me as suspicious but I get they didn’t want morbid photos circulating. If they are focusing on pills and you are I am guessing a layman am intelligent layman but a layman then it seems to me they don’t want to find anything real at all. Hmmm.
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Reply #32 posted 04/22/19 9:46am

ladygirl99

I wished she would worded her claims differently if she believes Prince was being taken advantage of because he was dealing with health issues instead of continue to holler he was murdered. I think that he had people around took advantage of him to the end because he was sick imo.

Now if he was murdered then I wish she explained her theory or opinion, and the fans can even might help her filled the blanks, otherwise she should stop saying it as people are already still grieving (I am sure she is too) and the last thing is continue to fueling the fire with baseless allergations. Geez this like the third or fourth time she is saying this without any facts or even a theory.

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Reply #33 posted 04/22/19 4:37pm

violetcrush

Un2TheJoyFantastic said:

Apollonia knew him well, clearly she believes what she wrote, and must have a reason for writing it. We will just have to wait to hear what she tells everyone when the times comes.

But let's face it, most people don't think for themselves in todays world, instead letting the latest audio snippet or headline do the thinking for them without a second thought........"oh another rock star dead of an overdose? Ok sure, that makes sense......I wonder what's on Netflix tonight"?

All one needs to do is simple math to understand that things are not what they seem to be.

The toxicology report numbers below in this article, a mainstream article from a well known reputable outlet, paint a differnet story. And these numbers are accurate, you can find them on every article on the tox report that is out there. I highly suggest you see this article for yourself and look at the 3 numbers delivered before reading this post further.

https://bit.ly/2DcA926

The stomach number for the drug was FOURTEEN THOUSAND MG! Not microgams....milligrams! 2mg is deadly! The blood and liver numbers, although deadly, paled significantly in comparison to the gastric numbers. The liver was naturally the next highest at 435mg and blood naturally being the next lowest of the three at 69mg. Prince died long before his body could process the amount of the drug in his stomach, the liver and blood numbers show this. Given ingestion as the entry point, the highest amount remained in his stomach, which was enough to kill someone Prince's size over 10,000 times.



What does this mean?



The drug was ingested - again, we know this because of the GIANT amount in his stomach, the liver and blood numbers show he was gone long before his body could even process a percentage of what hit his stomach. We know it was not injected because his blood levels would have shown the giant dose and not his stomach if that was the case. The autopsy report also confirmed it was not injection.

The dose was NOT delivered by pills. Why? Because to have that many milligrams in your stomach, it means Prince would have had to have 'accidentally' eaten either 6800+ counterfeit pills at around 2mg, or, 560,000 regular pills at a .025microgram dose (normal dose for these pills), in under a minute. Does it make any sense to you that anyone could accidentally overdose on that many pills? Of course it doesn't. Does it make any sense that it was Prince's intent to ingest thousands of these pills? Of course it doesn't. It is just not humanly possible to get that amount in your stomach in pill form......you would be long dead after only a handful of pills.

The does was ingested, but it was NOT in pill form. What other forms of the drug are there? I don't know, but it certaintly was not pills based on the amount in his stomach. However the dose got there though, it was most definitely swallowed.



Why did the investigation continue to focus on pills pills pills pills pills, when they saw these numbers too, and surely had to come to the same conclusion. An answer we will likely never know, but there is literally no scenerio using pills that could get 14,000 milligrams in ones stomach.


Knowing the above, it is then natural to speculate even further on things, but I am just sticking to the math, which is indisuputable. The intent is not to point fingers with this post (because I really wouldn't know who to point them at), or to speculate on what other form of the drug he could have ingested. it is merely to bring to light that the numbers involved make the pill overdose narrative just not possible.



[Edited 4/20/19 8:39am]

Hmmmm. Interesting information. So, it would seem the only other explanation is that the larger quantity of the drug was put into something he ate or drank?? Not sure how else he would have swallowed that high quantity.

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Reply #34 posted 04/22/19 6:39pm

coldcoffeeandc
ocacola

violetcrush said:



Un2TheJoyFantastic said:


Apollonia knew him well, clearly she believes what she wrote, and must have a reason for writing it. We will just have to wait to hear what she tells everyone when the times comes.


But let's face it, most people don't think for themselves in todays world, instead letting the latest audio snippet or headline do the thinking for them without a second thought....."oh another rock star dead of an overdose? Ok sure, that makes sense.....I wonder what's on Netflix tonight"?




All one needs to do is simple math to understand that things are not what they seem to be.



The toxicology report numbers below in this article, a mainstream article from a well known reputable outlet, paint a differnet story. And these numbers are accurate, you can find them on every article on the tox report that is out there. I highly suggest you see this article for yourself and look at the 3 numbers delivered before reading this post further.


https://bit.ly/2DcA926

The stomach number for the drug was FOURTEEN THOUSAND MG! Not microgams....milligrams! 2mg is deadly! The blood and liver numbers, although deadly, paled significantly in comparison to the gastric numbers. The liver was naturally the next highest at 435mg and blood naturally being the next lowest of the three at 69mg. Prince died long before his body could process the amount of the drug in his stomach, the liver and blood numbers show this. Given ingestion as the entry point, the highest amount remained in his stomach, which was enough to kill someone Prince's size over 10,000 times.





What does this mean?





The drug was ingested - again, we know this because of the GIANT amount in his stomach, the liver and blood numbers show he was gone long before his body could even process a percentage of what hit his stomach. We know it was not injected because his blood levels would have shown the giant dose and not his stomach if that was the case. The autopsy report also confirmed it was not injection.

The dose was NOT delivered by pills. Why? Because to have that many milligrams in your stomach, it means Prince would have had to have 'accidentally' eaten either 6800+ counterfeit pills at around 2mg, or, 560,000 regular pills at a .025microgram dose (normal dose for these pills), in under a minute. Does it make any sense to you that anyone could accidentally overdose on that many pills? Of course it doesn't. Does it make any sense that it was Prince's intent to ingest thousands of these pills? Of course it doesn't. It is just not humanly possible to get that amount in your stomach in pill form.....you would be long dead after only a handful of pills.


The does was ingested, but it was NOT in pill form. What other forms of the drug are there? I don't know, but it certaintly was not pills based on the amount in his stomach. However the dose got there though, it was most definitely swallowed.





Why did the investigation continue to focus on pills pills pills pills pills, when they saw these numbers too, and surely had to come to the same conclusion. An answer we will likely never know, but there is literally no scenerio using pills that could get 14,000 milligrams in ones stomach.



Knowing the above, it is then natural to speculate even further on things, but I am just sticking to the math, which is indisuputable. The intent is not to point fingers with this post (because I really wouldn't know who to point them at), or to speculate on what other form of the drug he could have ingested. it is merely to bring to light that the numbers involved make the pill overdose narrative just not possible.






[Edited 4/20/19 8:39am]




Hmmmm. Interesting information. So, it would seem the only other explanation is that the larger quantity of the drug was put into something he ate or drank?? Not sure how else he would have swallowed that high quantity.



Or topically? In a lotion or something? Or a nasal spray or is all of this stuff movie stuff? In which case ingested via food or drink sounds likely im the scenario. It’s all so horrible.
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Reply #35 posted 04/22/19 6:45pm

coldcoffeeandc
ocacola

coldcoffeeandcocacola said:

violetcrush said:



Un2TheJoyFantastic said:


Apollonia knew him well, clearly she believes what she wrote, and must have a reason for writing it. We will just have to wait to hear what she tells everyone when the times comes.


But let's face it, most people don't think for themselves in todays world, instead letting the latest audio snippet or headline do the thinking for them without a second thought....."oh another rock star dead of an overdose? Ok sure, that makes sense.....I wonder what's on Netflix tonight"?




All one needs to do is simple math to understand that things are not what they seem to be.



The toxicology report numbers below in this article, a mainstream article from a well known reputable outlet, paint a differnet story. And these numbers are accurate, you can find them on every article on the tox report that is out there. I highly suggest you see this article for yourself and look at the 3 numbers delivered before reading this post further.


https://bit.ly/2DcA926

The stomach number for the drug was FOURTEEN THOUSAND MG! Not microgams....milligrams! 2mg is deadly! The blood and liver numbers, although deadly, paled significantly in comparison to the gastric numbers. The liver was naturally the next highest at 435mg and blood naturally being the next lowest of the three at 69mg. Prince died long before his body could process the amount of the drug in his stomach, the liver and blood numbers show this. Given ingestion as the entry point, the highest amount remained in his stomach, which was enough to kill someone Prince's size over 10,000 times.





What does this mean?





The drug was ingested - again, we know this because of the GIANT amount in his stomach, the liver and blood numbers show he was gone long before his body could even process a percentage of what hit his stomach. We know it was not injected because his blood levels would have shown the giant dose and not his stomach if that was the case. The autopsy report also confirmed it was not injection.

The dose was NOT delivered by pills. Why? Because to have that many milligrams in your stomach, it means Prince would have had to have 'accidentally' eaten either 6800+ counterfeit pills at around 2mg, or, 560,000 regular pills at a .025microgram dose (normal dose for these pills), in under a minute. Does it make any sense to you that anyone could accidentally overdose on that many pills? Of course it doesn't. Does it make any sense that it was Prince's intent to ingest thousands of these pills? Of course it doesn't. It is just not humanly possible to get that amount in your stomach in pill form.....you would be long dead after only a handful of pills.


The does was ingested, but it was NOT in pill form. What other forms of the drug are there? I don't know, but it certaintly was not pills based on the amount in his stomach. However the dose got there though, it was most definitely swallowed.





Why did the investigation continue to focus on pills pills pills pills pills, when they saw these numbers too, and surely had to come to the same conclusion. An answer we will likely never know, but there is literally no scenerio using pills that could get 14,000 milligrams in ones stomach.



Knowing the above, it is then natural to speculate even further on things, but I am just sticking to the math, which is indisuputable. The intent is not to point fingers with this post (because I really wouldn't know who to point them at), or to speculate on what other form of the drug he could have ingested. it is merely to bring to light that the numbers involved make the pill overdose narrative just not possible.






[Edited 4/20/19 8:39am]




Hmmmm. Interesting information. So, it would seem the only other explanation is that the larger quantity of the drug was put into something he ate or drank?? Not sure how else he would have swallowed that high quantity.



Or topically? In a lotion or something? Or a nasal spray or is all of this stuff movie stuff? In which case ingested via food or drink sounds likely im the scenario. It’s all so horrible.


Or injected
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Reply #36 posted 04/22/19 7:46pm

violetcrush

coldcoffeeandcocacola said:

coldcoffeeandcocacola said:



Or topically? In a lotion or something? Or a nasal spray or is all of this stuff movie stuff? In which case ingested via food or drink sounds likely im the scenario. It’s all so horrible.


Or injected

I believe they confirmed ingested based on the much higher level found in his stomach.
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Reply #37 posted 04/22/19 8:28pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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coldcoffeeandcocacola said:

coldcoffeeandcocacola said:
Or topically? In a lotion or something? Or a nasal spray or is all of this stuff movie stuff? In which case ingested via food or drink sounds likely im the scenario. It’s all so horrible.
Or injected



If it was injected they would have found puncture wounds.

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Reply #38 posted 04/22/19 9:11pm

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Apples is 3 French Fries short of a Happy Meal.

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Reply #39 posted 04/23/19 7:59am

Genesia

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coldcoffeeandcocacola said:

violetcrush said:

Hmmmm. Interesting information. So, it would seem the only other explanation is that the larger quantity of the drug was put into something he ate or drank?? Not sure how else he would have swallowed that high quantity.

Or topically? In a lotion or something? Or a nasal spray or is all of this stuff movie stuff? In which case ingested via food or drink sounds likely im the scenario. It’s all so horrible.


If it was topically administered, how would it get into his stomach?

Honestly, people - THINK.

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Reply #40 posted 04/23/19 8:53am

Genesia

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Un2TheJoyFantastic said:

Apollonia knew him well, clearly she believes what she wrote, and must have a reason for writing it. We will just have to wait to hear what she tells everyone when the times comes.

But let's face it, most people don't think for themselves in todays world, instead letting the latest audio snippet or headline do the thinking for them without a second thought........"oh another rock star dead of an overdose? Ok sure, that makes sense......I wonder what's on Netflix tonight"?

All one needs to do is simple math to understand that things are not what they seem to be.

The toxicology report numbers below in this article, a mainstream article from a well known reputable outlet, paint a differnet story. And these numbers are accurate, you can find them on every article on the tox report that is out there. I highly suggest you see this article for yourself and look at the 3 numbers delivered before reading this post further.

https://bit.ly/2DcA926

The stomach number for the drug was FOURTEEN THOUSAND MG! Not microgams....milligrams! 2mg is deadly! The blood and liver numbers, although deadly, paled significantly in comparison to the gastric numbers. The liver was naturally the next highest at 435mg and blood naturally being the next lowest of the three at 69mg. Prince died long before his body could process the amount of the drug in his stomach, the liver and blood numbers show this. Given ingestion as the entry point, the highest amount remained in his stomach, which was enough to kill someone Prince's size over 10,000 times.


The Star Tribune article you link to is inaccurate. The levels of fentanyl found in Prince's body were not measured in milligrams. They were micrograms. And milligrams were not cited in "every article on the tox report that is out there." This article from the AP has the drug amount in the correct units of measure - which, again, is micrograms - not milligrams.

https://apnews.com/f80bf6952ecf4d02a675b9fac69d7dc6?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

For the record, 14000 micrograms equals 0.014 milligrams. That means there could easily be 14000 micrograms of fentanyl in one counterfeit opioid pill - which are made by cutting fentanyl with filler compounds. The problem is that you can't cut fentanyl. In order to get it mixed evenly, you have to create a liquid solution with the filler and then re-evaporate it. If you just try to mix fentanyl powder with a powdered filler and then use a pill press, you are absolutely going to what are called "hot spots" - parts of the mixture that have fentanyl far in excess of the lethal dose. And drug dealers do not make the effort to liquify their fentanyl - it'd eat into their profit margin.

I think we all know that Prince's pills were not legitimately obtained.

Please stop spreading this misinformation and/or twisting the truth to fit your own narrative. Prince died unintentionally - but by his own hand.

[Edited 4/23/19 9:18am]

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Reply #41 posted 04/23/19 9:46am

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Genesia said:

Un2TheJoyFantastic said:

Apollonia knew him well, clearly she believes what she wrote, and must have a reason for writing it. We will just have to wait to hear what she tells everyone when the times comes.

But let's face it, most people don't think for themselves in todays world, instead letting the latest audio snippet or headline do the thinking for them without a second thought........"oh another rock star dead of an overdose? Ok sure, that makes sense......I wonder what's on Netflix tonight"?

All one needs to do is simple math to understand that things are not what they seem to be.

The toxicology report numbers below in this article, a mainstream article from a well known reputable outlet, paint a differnet story. And these numbers are accurate, you can find them on every article on the tox report that is out there. I highly suggest you see this article for yourself and look at the 3 numbers delivered before reading this post further.

https://bit.ly/2DcA926

The stomach number for the drug was FOURTEEN THOUSAND MG! Not microgams....milligrams! 2mg is deadly! The blood and liver numbers, although deadly, paled significantly in comparison to the gastric numbers. The liver was naturally the next highest at 435mg and blood naturally being the next lowest of the three at 69mg. Prince died long before his body could process the amount of the drug in his stomach, the liver and blood numbers show this. Given ingestion as the entry point, the highest amount remained in his stomach, which was enough to kill someone Prince's size over 10,000 times.


The Star Tribune article you link to is inaccurate. The levels of fentanyl found in Prince's body were not measured in milligrams. They were micrograms. And milligrams were not cited in "every article on the tox report that is out there." This article from the AP has the drug amount in the correct units of measure - which, again, is micrograms - not milligrams.

https://apnews.com/f80bf6952ecf4d02a675b9fac69d7dc6?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

For the record, 14000 micrograms equals 0.014 milligrams. That means there could easily be 14000 micrograms of fentanyl in one counterfeit opioid pill - which are made by cutting fentanyl with filler compounds. The problem is that you can't cut fentanyl. In order to get it mixed evenly, you have to create a liquid solution with the filler and then re-evaporate it. If you just try to mix fentanyl powder with a powdered filler and then use a pill press, you are absolutely going to what are called "hot spots" - parts of the mixture that have fentanyl far in excess of the lethal dose. And drug dealers do not make the effort to liquify their fentanyl - it'd eat into their profit margin.

I think we all know that Prince's pills were not legitimately obtained.

Please stop spreading this misinformation and/or twisting the truth to fit your own narrative. Prince died unintentionally - but by his own hand.

[Edited 4/23/19 9:18am]

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I don't see the 14,000µg mentioned on the page you've linked. 14,000mg does seem to be a mistake, but is there a document out there that clearly states how much was in his stomach?
Thanks.
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Btw, 14,000µg equals 14mg or 0.014g, not 0.014mg.

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[Edited 4/23/19 9:51am]

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Reply #42 posted 04/23/19 10:59am

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Kares said:

Genesia said:


The Star Tribune article you link to is inaccurate. The levels of fentanyl found in Prince's body were not measured in milligrams. They were micrograms. And milligrams were not cited in "every article on the tox report that is out there." This article from the AP has the drug amount in the correct units of measure - which, again, is micrograms - not milligrams.

https://apnews.com/f80bf6952ecf4d02a675b9fac69d7dc6?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

For the record, 14000 micrograms equals 0.014 milligrams. That means there could easily be 14000 micrograms of fentanyl in one counterfeit opioid pill - which are made by cutting fentanyl with filler compounds. The problem is that you can't cut fentanyl. In order to get it mixed evenly, you have to create a liquid solution with the filler and then re-evaporate it. If you just try to mix fentanyl powder with a powdered filler and then use a pill press, you are absolutely going to what are called "hot spots" - parts of the mixture that have fentanyl far in excess of the lethal dose. And drug dealers do not make the effort to liquify their fentanyl - it'd eat into their profit margin.

I think we all know that Prince's pills were not legitimately obtained.

Please stop spreading this misinformation and/or twisting the truth to fit your own narrative. Prince died unintentionally - but by his own hand.

[Edited 4/23/19 9:18am]

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I don't see the 14,000µg mentioned on the page you've linked. 14,000mg does seem to be a mistake, but is there a document out there that clearly states how much was in his stomach?
Thanks.
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Btw, 14,000µg equals 14mg or 0.014g, not 0.014mg.

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It isn't. But the other two measurements Un2 mentioned (450 liver and 67.8 blood) are on that page and they're in micrograms, so you do the math. There is no way the blood/liver measurements would be 67.8 micrograms per liter (blood) and 450 mcg/liter (liver) - and then be in milligrams in the stomach.

Not sure how the converter I used did that calculation, but I stand corrected at 14000 mcg being 14 mg. You can still fit 14 mg of fentanyl in a phony Watson 853, however.



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Reply #43 posted 04/23/19 11:14am

Kares

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Genesia said:

Kares said:

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I don't see the 14,000µg mentioned on the page you've linked. 14,000mg does seem to be a mistake, but is there a document out there that clearly states how much was in his stomach?
Thanks.
.
Btw, 14,000µg equals 14mg or 0.014g, not 0.014mg.

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It isn't. But the other two measurements Un2 mentioned (450 liver and 67.8 blood) are on that page and they're in micrograms, so you do the math. There is no way the blood/liver measurements would be 67.8 micrograms per liter (blood) and 450 mcg/liter (liver) - and then be in milligrams in the stomach

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Not sure how I'm supposed to do the math when I don't even see the 14000 number on the page you linked. Where did that come from? And I guess it is not impossible to have a ridiculously high amount in the stomach without the liver and blood results being too high if the person passed away before the large amount could get into the blood and liver. I'm not saying that was the case with Prince, I don't know of course, just saying it's theoretically possible.

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Genesia said:


It isn't. But the other two measurements Un2 mentioned (450 liver and 67.8 blood) are on that page and they're in micrograms, so you do the math. There is no way the blood/liver measurements would be 67.8 micrograms per liter (blood) and 450 mcg/liter (liver) - and then be in milligrams in the stomach

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Not sure how I'm supposed to do the math when I don't even see the 14000 number on the page you linked. Where did that come from? And I guess it is not impossible to have a ridiculously high amount in the stomach without the liver and blood results being too high if the person passed away before the large amount could get into the blood and liver. I'm not saying that was the case with Prince, I don't know of course, just saying it's theoretically possible.


14000 mg came from the Star Tribune article Un2TheJoyFantastic quoted. The other levels (blood and liver) were identical in both the Star Tribune and AP articles, but the S-T had milligrams and AP had micrograms.

I was refuting Un2's assertion that every publication said the levels were in milligrams. They weren't.

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Reply #45 posted 04/23/19 1:36pm

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Genesia said:

Kares said:

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Not sure how I'm supposed to do the math when I don't even see the 14000 number on the page you linked. Where did that come from? And I guess it is not impossible to have a ridiculously high amount in the stomach without the liver and blood results being too high if the person passed away before the large amount could get into the blood and liver. I'm not saying that was the case with Prince, I don't know of course, just saying it's theoretically possible.


14000 mg came from the Star Tribune article Un2TheJoyFantastic quoted. The other levels (blood and liver) were identical in both the Star Tribune and AP articles, but the S-T had milligrams and AP had micrograms.

I was refuting Un2's assertion that every publication said the levels were in milligrams. They weren't.


Checking a bit further, not only did the AP have this, but it would appear that the S-T was in the minority in getting wrong. The Chicago Trib, USA Today, NPR, the Guardian, and other publications all quoted the AP wire story accurately. Micrograms - not milligrams.

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Reply #46 posted 04/23/19 2:03pm

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Un2TheJoyFantastic said:


Apollonia knew him well, clearly she believes what she wrote, and must have a reason for writing it. We will just have to wait to hear what she tells everyone when the times comes.


But let's face it, most people don't think for themselves in todays world, instead letting the latest audio snippet or headline do the thinking for them without a second thought....."oh another rock star dead of an overdose? Ok sure, that makes sense.....I wonder what's on Netflix tonight"?




All one needs to do is simple math to understand that things are not what they seem to be.



The toxicology report numbers below in this article, a mainstream article from a well known reputable outlet, paint a differnet story. And these numbers are accurate, you can find them on every article on the tox report that is out there. I highly suggest you see this article for yourself and look at the 3 numbers delivered before reading this post further.


https://bit.ly/2DcA926

The stomach number for the drug was FOURTEEN THOUSAND MG! Not microgams....milligrams! 2mg is deadly! The blood and liver numbers, although deadly, paled significantly in comparison to the gastric numbers. The liver was naturally the next highest at 435mg and blood naturally being the next lowest of the three at 69mg. Prince died long before his body could process the amount of the drug in his stomach, the liver and blood numbers show this. Given ingestion as the entry point, the highest amount remained in his stomach, which was enough to kill someone Prince's size over 10,000 times.






The Star Tribune article you link to is inaccurate. The levels of fentanyl found in Prince's body were not measured in milligrams. They were micrograms. And milligrams were not cited in "every article on the tox report that is out there." This article from the AP has the drug amount in the correct units of measure - which, again, is micrograms - not milligrams.

https://apnews.com/f80bf6952ecf4d02a675b9fac69d7dc6?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

For the record, 14000 micrograms equals 0.014 milligrams. That means there could easily be 14000 micrograms of fentanyl in one counterfeit opioid pill - which are made by cutting fentanyl with filler compounds. The problem is that you can't cut fentanyl. In order to get it mixed evenly, you have to create a liquid solution with the filler and then re-evaporate it. If you just try to mix fentanyl powder with a powdered filler and then use a pill press, you are absolutely going to what are called "hot spots" - parts of the mixture that have fentanyl far in excess of the lethal dose. And drug dealers do not make the effort to liquify their fentanyl - it'd eat into their profit margin.

I think we all know that Prince's pills were not legitimately obtained.

Please stop spreading this misinformation and/or twisting the truth to fit your own narrative. Prince died unintentionally - but by his own hand.

[Edited 4/23/19 9:18am]



Thank you - at last someone with a clear mind! 🙄
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Reply #47 posted 04/23/19 2:18pm

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nicolette said:

Genesia said:


The Star Tribune article you link to is inaccurate. The levels of fentanyl found in Prince's body were not measured in milligrams. They were micrograms. And milligrams were not cited in "every article on the tox report that is out there." This article from the AP has the drug amount in the correct units of measure - which, again, is micrograms - not milligrams.

https://apnews.com/f80bf6952ecf4d02a675b9fac69d7dc6?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

For the record, 14000 micrograms equals 0.014 milligrams. That means there could easily be 14000 micrograms of fentanyl in one counterfeit opioid pill - which are made by cutting fentanyl with filler compounds. The problem is that you can't cut fentanyl. In order to get it mixed evenly, you have to create a liquid solution with the filler and then re-evaporate it. If you just try to mix fentanyl powder with a powdered filler and then use a pill press, you are absolutely going to what are called "hot spots" - parts of the mixture that have fentanyl far in excess of the lethal dose. And drug dealers do not make the effort to liquify their fentanyl - it'd eat into their profit margin.

I think we all know that Prince's pills were not legitimately obtained.

Please stop spreading this misinformation and/or twisting the truth to fit your own narrative. Prince died unintentionally - but by his own hand.

[Edited 4/23/19 9:18am]

Thank you - at last someone with a clear mind! 🙄

Yes, thanks for the measurement conversions, and the information on the counterfeit pills. I do recall reading about how the dealers manufacture their pills and why they are so deadly.

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



Apples is 3 French Fries short of a Happy Meal.

LMAO !! falloff

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Reply #49 posted 04/23/19 9:27pm

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Thank You Genesia.

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Apples is 3 French Fries short of a Happy Meal.

LMAO !! falloff



For reals.


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Reply #51 posted 04/24/19 9:07am

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Thank You Genesia.


Just trying to help in my (very) small way. The only thing worse than Prince's death has been the people compounding the pain by insinuating - wrongly - that he was murdered. I don't know who they think they're helping with that BS.

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Reply #52 posted 04/24/19 2:04pm

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Genesia said:

Un2TheJoyFantastic said:

Apollonia knew him well, clearly she believes what she wrote, and must have a reason for writing it. We will just have to wait to hear what she tells everyone when the times comes.

But let's face it, most people don't think for themselves in todays world, instead letting the latest audio snippet or headline do the thinking for them without a second thought........"oh another rock star dead of an overdose? Ok sure, that makes sense......I wonder what's on Netflix tonight"?

All one needs to do is simple math to understand that things are not what they seem to be.

The toxicology report numbers below in this article, a mainstream article from a well known reputable outlet, paint a differnet story. And these numbers are accurate, you can find them on every article on the tox report that is out there. I highly suggest you see this article for yourself and look at the 3 numbers delivered before reading this post further.

https://bit.ly/2DcA926

Now why are you assuming it is micrograms? Every other number delivered was in milligrams in the abc news 5 article, why would they magically switch to micrograms for the stomach? Because it doesn't fit with your personal narrative? All I have provided and explored are the facts delivered to us.


BTW, your math is incorrect, 14,000 micrograms = 14milligrams, please stop spreading funky math to fit your own narrative, most orgers are smarter than you may think. (now i am only half serious with that last narrative comment, but it is just as silly as your narrative accusation above) we are all on the same team here and love Prince dearly.


You also stated I linked to a star tribune article? I did no such thing, my link is an abc channel 5 eyewitness news link.

The stomach number for the drug was FOURTEEN THOUSAND MG! Not microgams....milligrams! 2mg is deadly! The blood and liver numbers, although deadly, paled significantly in comparison to the gastric numbers. The liver was naturally the next highest at 435mg and blood naturally being the next lowest of the three at 69mg. Prince died long before his body could process the amount of the drug in his stomach, the liver and blood numbers show this. Given ingestion as the entry point, the highest amount remained in his stomach, which was enough to kill someone Prince's size over 10,000 times.


The Star Tribune article you link to is inaccurate. The levels of fentanyl found in Prince's body were not measured in milligrams. They were micrograms. And milligrams were not cited in "every article on the tox report that is out there." This article from the AP has the drug amount in the correct units of measure - which, again, is micrograms - not milligrams.

https://apnews.com/f80bf6952ecf4d02a675b9fac69d7dc6?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

For the record, 14000 micrograms equals 0.014 milligrams. That means there could easily be 14000 micrograms of fentanyl in one counterfeit opioid pill - which are made by cutting fentanyl with filler compounds. The problem is that you can't cut fentanyl. In order to get it mixed evenly, you have to create a liquid solution with the filler and then re-evaporate it. If you just try to mix fentanyl powder with a powdered filler and then use a pill press, you are absolutely going to what are called "hot spots" - parts of the mixture that have fentanyl far in excess of the lethal dose. And drug dealers do not make the effort to liquify their fentanyl - it'd eat into their profit margin.

I think we all know that Prince's pills were not legitimately obtained.

Please stop spreading this misinformation and/or twisting the truth to fit your own narrative. Prince died unintentionally - but by his own hand.

[Edited 4/23/19 9:18am]



Genesia said:"Please stop spreading this misinformation and/or twisting the truth to fit your own narrative. Prince died unintentionally - but by his own hand."


That comment by you above is hilarious, I won't go into why, you already know.

Also, I never said Prince didn't die by his own hand, I only stated due to the amount, it could not have been pills that casued his overdose. That was something you extrapolated on your own. What I personally believe is irrelevant as it would only be speculation.


Anyway, here is what the ABC news 5 article stated. "Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources."


Now why are you assuming it is micrograms? Every other number delivered was in milligrams in the abc news 5 article, why would they magically switch to micrograms for the stomach? All I have provided and explored are the facts delivered to us.


BTW, your math is incorrect, 14,000 micrograms = 14milligrams, please stop spreading funky math to fit your own narrative, most orgers are smarter than you may think. (now i am only half serious with that last narrative comment, but it is just as silly as your narrative accusation above) we are all on the same team here and love Prince dearly.


You also stated I linked a star tribune article, I did no such thing, my link is an abc channel 5 eyewitness news link.


Each of those numbers is milligrams, and if you want to believe the gastric number is micrograms, that is ok, you can do that, but they would have listed it as 14mg in this abc news 5 article if that was the case, which it is not.


Now lets say the abc news 5 link i posted is incorrect, and it is actually micrograms, making it 67.8 micrograms in the blood, and 450 micrograms for the liver. 67.8 micrograms is 0.0678 milligrams, nowhere near the 2-3mg dose that doctors say would be fatal, nor does it mean the pills were counterfeit at this point because 1 counterfeit pill has 1.5-2.5mg of fentanyl. The liver number of 450 micrograms, would be equal to 0.45 milligrams, still nowhere near an amount to kill someone. So the ABC news 5 link has it correct, as milligrams, where all those other outlets just fed off one another and copied the verbage that someone falsely listed as micrograms, not really knowing one way or another what it meant, folks get mg and mcg confused all the time. They see/hear micrograms and think milligrams, and vice versa.


If you want to stick with your story of micrograms, then there is no way Prince could have overdosed in that scenario, becuase in your scenario, he had 14,000 micrograms in his stomach, which equals 14milligrams of fentanyl, indeed still a deadly amount, but, and pay close attention here, that is unprocessed fentanyl, that would have been processed by Prince's liver even further, and circulated through his bloodstream, if he was still alive. But that didn't happen, in the microgram scenario, Prince died before the amount in his liver or blood got even close to a lethal dose. if it was micrograms, the amount in his liver and blood would have had to have been much higher, his body would have continued to process the drug until it reached a level in his liver and blood that was fatal, which it did not if you use micrograms as the measurement,because the numbers are just too low. The only way Prince could have died is if the numbers are milligrams, because those are absolutely fatal amounts, leaving the 14,000mg still in his stomach unprocessed.


PS I want bring light again to this point, because I see another post where you wonder how there could be micrograms in the liver and blood, and milligrams in the stomach (even though all numbers are milligrams), but whether you are talking MG or MCG, this happens because it was ingested, the entire quantity hits the stomach first, then the liver and blood begin to process it, and in the case of this drug, only a very small portion can be processed before a fatal amount is reached, that is why the numbers are much smaller in the blood and liver....hope that helps.

[Edited 4/24/19 14:09pm]

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Reply #53 posted 04/24/19 2:28pm

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Un2TheJoyFantastic said:

Genesia said:


The Star Tribune article you link to is inaccurate. The levels of fentanyl found in Prince's body were not measured in milligrams. They were micrograms. And milligrams were not cited in "every article on the tox report that is out there." This article from the AP has the drug amount in the correct units of measure - which, again, is micrograms - not milligrams.

https://apnews.com/f80bf6952ecf4d02a675b9fac69d7dc6?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

For the record, 14000 micrograms equals 0.014 milligrams. That means there could easily be 14000 micrograms of fentanyl in one counterfeit opioid pill - which are made by cutting fentanyl with filler compounds. The problem is that you can't cut fentanyl. In order to get it mixed evenly, you have to create a liquid solution with the filler and then re-evaporate it. If you just try to mix fentanyl powder with a powdered filler and then use a pill press, you are absolutely going to what are called "hot spots" - parts of the mixture that have fentanyl far in excess of the lethal dose. And drug dealers do not make the effort to liquify their fentanyl - it'd eat into their profit margin.

I think we all know that Prince's pills were not legitimately obtained.

Please stop spreading this misinformation and/or twisting the truth to fit your own narrative. Prince died unintentionally - but by his own hand.

[Edited 4/23/19 9:18am]



Genesia said:"Please stop spreading this misinformation and/or twisting the truth to fit your own narrative. Prince died unintentionally - but by his own hand."


That comment by you above is hilarious, I won't go into why, you already know.

Also, I never said Prince didn't die by his own hand, I only stated due to the amount, it could not have been pills that casued his overdose. That was something you extrapolated on your own. What I personally believe is irrelevant as it would only be speculation.


Anyway, here is what the ABC news 5 article stated. "Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources."


Now why are you assuming it is micrograms? Every other number delivered was in milligrams in the abc news 5 article, why would they magically switch to micrograms for the stomach? All I have provided and explored are the facts delivered to us.


BTW, your math is incorrect, 14,000 micrograms = 14milligrams, please stop spreading funky math to fit your own narrative, most orgers are smarter than you may think. (now i am only half serious with that last narrative comment, but it is just as silly as your narrative accusation above) we are all on the same team here and love Prince dearly.


You also stated I linked a star tribune article, I did no such thing, my link is an abc channel 5 eyewitness news link.


Each of those numbers is milligrams, and if you want to believe the gastric number is micrograms, that is ok, you can do that, but they would have listed it as 14mg in this abc news 5 article if that was the case, which it is not.


Now lets say the abc news 5 link i posted is incorrect, and it is actually micrograms, making it 67.8 micrograms in the blood, and 450 micrograms for the liver. 67.8 micrograms is 0.0678 milligrams, nowhere near the 2-3mg dose that doctors say would be fatal, nor does it mean the pills were counterfeit at this point because 1 counterfeit pill has 1.5-2.5mg of fentanyl. The liver number of 450 micrograms, would be equal to 0.45 milligrams, still nowhere near an amount to kill someone. So the ABC news 5 link has it correct, as milligrams, where all those other outlets just fed off one another and copied the verbage that someone falsely listed as micrograms, not really knowing one way or another what it meant, folks get mg and mcg confused all the time. They see/hear micrograms and think milligrams, and vice versa.


If you want to stick with your story of micrograms, then there is no way Prince could have overdosed in that scenario, becuase in your scenario, he had 14,000 micrograms in his stomach, which equals 14milligrams of fentanyl, indeed still a deadly amount, but, and pay close attention here, that is unprocessed fentanyl, that would have been processed by Prince's liver even further, and circulated through his bloodstream, if he was still alive. But that didn't happen, in the microgram scenario, Prince died before the amount in his liver or blood got even close to a lethal dose. if it was micrograms, the amount in his liver and blood would have had to have been much higher, his body would have continued to process the drug until it reached a level in his liver and blood that was fatal, which it did not if you use micrograms as the measurement,because the numbers are just too low. The only way Prince could have died is if the numbers are milligrams, because those are absolutely fatal amounts, leaving the 14,000mg still in his stomach unprocessed.


PS I want bring light again to this point, because I see another post where you wonder how there could be micrograms in the liver and blood, and milligrams in the stomach (even though all numbers are milligrams), but whether you are talking MG or MCG, this happens because it was ingested, the entire quantity hits the stomach first, then the liver and blood begin to process it, and in the case of this drug, only a very small portion can be processed before a fatal amount is reached, that is why the numbers are much smaller in the blood and liver....hope that helps.

[Edited 4/24/19 14:09pm]


You didn't even read what I wrote, did you? No. You are still sticking to that one news story - which is incorrect. Look at the Associated Press - the wire story service on which all the other stories are based. They have it in micrograms - which is the correct concentration picked up by the New York Times, the Chicago Tribune, NPR and any number of other reputable publications.

You are also wrong about the amount that would have had to be in his blood for him to have died. The concentration of fentanyl in Prince's blood was 67.8 micrograms per liter. People have died from as little as 3 mcg/l. He did not need to have some gargantuan amount left in his stomach - and the blood concentration does not have to be in milligrams. The micrograms are plenty - especially for someone of Prince's body weight.

I don't need you to explain to me how a drug moves from the stomach to the blood. I know. My point (which didn't make it through your thick skull, apparently) is that it makes no sense for the blood and liver concentrations to be in micrograms (which, again, is the correct concentration) and the amount in the stomach to be milligrams. Unless, of course, you are only interested in one incorrect source that fits your narrative of the Illuminati (or whichever shadowy outfit you prefer) having murdered Prince.

Just stop it. You are wrong. I don't know which re-user you are, but the fact that you only joined on April 12 of this year tells me you are here with one purpose only: to get attention by pressing your wild conspiracy theories. I am guessing you have been banned before and are back for more.

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Reply #54 posted 04/24/19 2:35pm

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I'm not getting into the debate about drug levels in his system, but here is something to ponder:

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On April 14, 2016 - one week prior to his death - Prince overdosed on an airplane and had to be revived by Narcan shot (I think two doses if I'm not mistaken) after an emergency landing.

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I think it's logical to believe that had Prince's associates and the pilots not acted quickly enough to get him the overdose treatment he would have passed away on the plane or soon after landing.

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So, for me, it's not at all suspect or surprising that the same scenario would occur again, only without the quick assistance needed to revive him, which resulted in his death.

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Reply #55 posted 04/24/19 2:57pm

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I'm not getting into the debate about drug levels in his system, but here is something to ponder:

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On April 14, 2016 - one week prior to his death - Prince overdosed on an airplane and had to be revived by Narcan shot (I think two doses if I'm not mistaken) after an emergency landing.

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I think it's logical to believe that had Prince's associates and the pilots not acted quickly enough to get him the overdose treatment he would have passed away on the plane or soon after landing.

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So, for me, it's not at all suspect or surprising that the same scenario would occur again, only without the quick assistance needed to revive him, which resulted in his death.


Absolutely. And I think that in the throes of withdrawal, he simply forgot which bottle "those" pills were in (hell, they could have been in several - it sounds like he had many, many bottles scattered around Paisley Park, each with a jumble of pills inside) and took whatever he grabbed first. Horrible and tragic - but undeniably self inflicted.

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Reply #56 posted 04/24/19 3:05pm

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Genesia said:

violetcrush said:

I'm not getting into the debate about drug levels in his system, but here is something to ponder:

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On April 14, 2016 - one week prior to his death - Prince overdosed on an airplane and had to be revived by Narcan shot (I think two doses if I'm not mistaken) after an emergency landing.

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I think it's logical to believe that had Prince's associates and the pilots not acted quickly enough to get him the overdose treatment he would have passed away on the plane or soon after landing.

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So, for me, it's not at all suspect or surprising that the same scenario would occur again, only without the quick assistance needed to revive him, which resulted in his death.


Absolutely. And I think that in the throes of withdrawal, he simply forgot which bottle "those" pills were in (hell, they could have been in several - it sounds like he had many, many bottles scattered around Paisley Park, each with a jumble of pills inside) and took whatever he grabbed first. Horrible and tragic - but undeniably self inflicted.

Yes, from what I have read Opioid addiction is so terrible and so deadly, because even though your body is becoming weaker due to lack of food/nutrition resulting significant weight loss, the addiction creates the need for stronger and more frequent dosing. At a certain point, the body just cannot handle the level of drug being ingested.

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The researchers asked the respondents to describe what happened during a suspected fentanyl overdose. The most common characteristic, described in 20 percent of the cases, was that the person's lips immediately turned blue, followed by gurgling sounds with breathing (16 percent of the cases), stiffening of the body or seizure-like activity (13 percent), foaming at the mouth (6 percent) and confusion or strange behavior before the person became unresponsive (6 percent), according to the report.

Fentanyl overdoses can be reversed with the same antidote that is used to treat other opioid overdoses — a drug called naloxone, which is sold under the brand name Narcan.

In the report, in 83 percent of the cases when naloxone was used, one dose was not sufficient. Instead, the respondents said that two or more doses of the antidote were needed to revive the person who had overdosed, according to the report.

Indeed, some opioid users are aware of the dangers of both fentanyl and heroin: According to the report, 30 percent of the respondents said that, in order to help protect themselves against a deadly overdose, they don't use the drugs when they are alone.

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violetcrush

I thought this was a great explanation of the physiological effects of the drug and what exactly takes place during an overdose:

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Despite the alarming increase in US opioid overdoses, most of us would be hard pressed to describe exactly what happens in the body during one. Here's a step-by-step explainer.

While there's no one circumstance that will push a body over the edge from a high to an overdose, there are certain things that appear to put a person at greater risk: Having been in detox and then returning to the drugs, mixing opioids with other sedatives (like alcohol or benzos), and in some cases, using them in high doses (thanks to the existence of super-powerful opioids like fentanyl and carfentanil, this can happen unbeknownst to the user).

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A person on the verge of an overdose rarely realizes what is happening to them, but there are easily recognizable signs that other people might spot, including extreme drowsiness, cold hands, cloudy thinking, nausea and/or vomiting, and especially slowed breathing (fewer than ten breaths per minute).

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First, the drug spreads throughout your body. When you take an opioid, whether a pill or an injectable, the drug enters the body and travels through your synapses, through the heart and into your lungs, where the blood gets flushed with oxygen before getting drawn back into the heart once again. With the next pump of your heart, your now opioid-rich blood is pushed out to the rest of the body, where it plugs into the system of opioid receptors all over your body.

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When it hits the brain, you get happy. Once the opioid molecules are ferried across the blood-brain barrier, they enter a section of the brain at the center of your reward circuitry called the nucleus accumbens, where the happiness hormone dopamine is produced. There, the drug latches onto GABAergic neurons.

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Imagine GABA as a dam: They make sure our dopamine doesn't overflow, which can cause agitation and paranoia. Opioid molecules blow that dam open, and let dopamine spill over into the bloodstream, creating a feeling of bliss, way beyond what our GABA cells would normally allow us to experience.

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Soon the high evens out, and even before the rush is over, you might start to nod off, head dipping and jerking as you drift between waking and sleeping.

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Your breath starts to slow. The opioid works on the systems that control both sleep and breathing: At the base of your brain lies a respiratory control center that drives your breathing, reacting to the level of carbon dioxide and oxygen in your blood to spur you to breathe. During an overdose, the slowed breathing that occurs with opioid ingestion of any kind becomes dangerously slow, leading to a complete stop.

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Then your heart. Your heart rate slows as the opioid suppresses neurological signals. The oxygen level falls low enough that the heart starts having abnormal rhythms; the heart is not beating properly. At this point some overdose patients have sudden cardiac arrest.

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Things begin to shut down. Because there is an overwhelming amount of opioid in your brain, your body stops receiving the correct signals at all to breathe. Your lungs and heart are barely working.

With lungs and heart barely working, your brain begins to be damaged by lack of oxygen. The brain is highly sensitive to lack of oxygen; permanent brain damage sets in after four minutes of oxygen deprivation in most situations. Variables such as the temperature of the body can affect the damage to the brain—the colder the body, the more reduced the brain damage. If you're receiving CPR during this period, brain damage can be prevented or reduced.

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You foam at the mouth, or choke. Sometimes opioid overdose can include pulmonary edema (fluid leak into the airspaces of the lung). This is a noncardiogenic pulmonary edema, meaning it is not caused by fluid backup from a failing heart; doctors are still unsure of the exact mechanism behind this event. This manifests as foam coming out of your mouth.

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It is not uncommon for opioid overdose patients to experience aspiration. This is when your body's natural gag response is suppressed or eliminated by the opioid's effects on the respiratory control center of the brain. As you become increasingly less conscious, the natural secretions in the back of the throat are not ejected or swallowed. Opioid patients who vomit can also aspirate their vomit and die.

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Your brain gets permanently damaged. Opioid overdose can cause seizures from lack of oxygen to the brain. These seizures can further damage the brain. Brain damage–from mild to severe–is not often discussed with opioid overdose but is a real possibility. Overdose patients can end up paralyzed and unable to speak.

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Narcan can reverse the effects. Narcan, an anti-overdoes medication that is widely available, can usually reverse these effects. Sometimes overdose patients have to be given multiple treatments of Narcan, depending on the amount of opioids in their system. Narcan can always be attempted for revival if the patient is still alive. Given through an IV, Narcan works in seconds, given through a shot or with nasal spray, within minutes. Narcan moves into the receptors of the brain where the opioid is stuck, knocks the opioid molecules off the receptor, and replaces them. The opioid is then metabolized in the body. Narcan generally has no side effects.

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Reply #58 posted 04/24/19 9:53pm

nelcp777

Also Prince mixed the opioid with the legitimate Valium he already had in his system.




Genesia said:



violetcrush said:


I'm not getting into the debate about drug levels in his system, but here is something to ponder:


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On April 14, 2016 - one week prior to his death - Prince overdosed on an airplane and had to be revived by Narcan shot (I think two doses if I'm not mistaken) after an emergency landing.


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I think it's logical to believe that had Prince's associates and the pilots not acted quickly enough to get him the overdose treatment he would have passed away on the plane or soon after landing.


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So, for me, it's not at all suspect or surprising that the same scenario would occur again, only without the quick assistance needed to revive him, which resulted in his death.





Absolutely. And I think that in the throes of withdrawal, he simply forgot which bottle "those" pills were in (hell, they could have been in several - it sounds like he had many, many bottles scattered around Paisley Park, each with a jumble of pills inside) and took whatever he grabbed first. Horrible and tragic - but undeniably self inflicted.

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Reply #59 posted 04/25/19 3:23pm

Un2TheJoyFanta
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Genesia said:

violetcrush said:

I'm not getting into the debate about drug levels in his system, but here is something to ponder:

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On April 14, 2016 - one week prior to his death - Prince overdosed on an airplane and had to be revived by Narcan shot (I think two doses if I'm not mistaken) after an emergency landing.

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I think it's logical to believe that had Prince's associates and the pilots not acted quickly enough to get him the overdose treatment he would have passed away on the plane or soon after landing.

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So, for me, it's not at all suspect or surprising that the same scenario would occur again, only without the quick assistance needed to revive him, which resulted in his death.


Absolutely. And I think that in the throes of withdrawal, he simply forgot which bottle "those" pills were in (hell, they could have been in several - it sounds like he had many, many bottles scattered around Paisley Park, each with a jumble of pills inside) and took whatever he grabbed first. Horrible and tragic - but undeniably self inflicted.


What proof do you have that he "simply forgot which bottle" and everything else you posted above? You personally believe something to be true in the circumstances of his passing, something that makes you comfortable and fits with your personal framework, and in doing so, you are literally pulling anything and everything out of thin air to support that, throwing out scenarios as if they are undisputable facts. That is the difference between our approach, I have explored the facts and numbers provided, held off on speculation, and showed exactly why those numbers mean it had to be something other than pills. You want to start of with speculation and make it fact. That approach helps no-one but yourself.

Anyway, you will surely post a knee jerk response, and that is cool, I expect it, but I have said my piece, and folks can make of it what they will. I hold no animosity towards you nor anyone else that may disagree in part or in whole with the post.

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