pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said: Yes, he had highlights for awhile in the late 90's. I guess by then they figured out a way to lighten it without making it fall out Although, itcseebs he was trying to go full blonde back in '85. I don't think hair coloring products were very good back then - probably straight bleach

Yes,Kim Berry talked about how he was constantly wanting to try new highlights and colors back then. I wonder what made him want to bleach it in '85? I noticed he mentions blond hair in the song 'Coco Boys.'

1985 his protege leads:Sheila E(along with Juan and Steph B) and St Paul, were both blonde highlights, so somehow that connects

OldFriends4Sale said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes,Kim Berry talked about how he was constantly wanting to try new highlights and colors back then. I wonder what made him want to bleach it in '85? I noticed he mentions blond hair in the song 'Coco Boys.'

1985 his protege leads:Sheila E(along with Juan and Steph B) and St Paul, were both blonde highlights, so somehow that connects

Yeah that's what I was thinking.

OldFriends4Sale said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes,Kim Berry talked about how he was constantly wanting to try new highlights and colors back then. I wonder what made him want to bleach it in '85? I noticed he mentions blond hair in the song 'Coco Boys.'

1985 his protege leads:Sheila E(along with Juan and Steph B) and St Paul, were both blonde highlights, so somehow that connects

I think Prince and/or his sytlists may have orchestrated the haircuts/color changes for Sheila and her band's looks. I had read that when Sheila first arrived in MN to join the camp she was wearing a sports jersey, jeans and sneakers I think Prince "svengalied" her like he did with Jill Jones's look.

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

1985 his protege leads:Sheila E(along with Juan and Steph B) and St Paul, were both blonde highlights, so somehow that connects

I think Prince and/or his sytlists may have orchestrated the haircuts/color changes for Sheila and her band's looks. I had read that when Sheila first arrived in MN to join the camp she was wearing a sports jersey, jeans and sneakers I think Prince "svengalied" her like he did with Jill Jones's look.

Most likely. The costumes for 'Romance 1600' as well.

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

1985 his protege leads:Sheila E(along with Juan and Steph B) and St Paul, were both blonde highlights, so somehow that connects

I think Prince and/or his sytlists may have orchestrated the haircuts/color changes for Sheila and her band's looks. I had read that when Sheila first arrived in MN to join the camp she was wearing a sports jersey, jeans and sneakers I think Prince "svengalied" her like he did with Jill Jones's look.

That's what I'm saying. His proteges were styled with that blonde highlights, so it was most likely reflective of what Prince was going for.

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side note: Sheila E's sporty look I strongly believe was something that a lot of sexual assault victims do to look less attractive/feminine etc to ward off any other attention by people who might sexually assault them. Most either go the cover up route or the expose more route.

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

I think Prince and/or his sytlists may have orchestrated the haircuts/color changes for Sheila and her band's looks. I had read that when Sheila first arrived in MN to join the camp she was wearing a sports jersey, jeans and sneakers I think Prince "svengalied" her like he did with Jill Jones's look.

Most likely. The costumes for 'Romance 1600' as well.

Sheila E talked about the costume styles in her book. I believe she/they had a hand in the designing of the outfits, of course prince probably worked with her/them, but it came out of her 'budget'.

OldFriends4Sale said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Most likely. The costumes for 'Romance 1600' as well.

Sheila E talked about the costume styles in her book. I believe she/they had a hand in the designing of the outfits, of course prince probably worked with her/them, but it came out of her 'budget'.

Oh ok. They reminded me of some of the looks Prince had for the Purple Rain tour. I've read comments from some fans who thought Sheila was copying his style.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Nah, I'm not sure about that. Sheila stated during her interview with Questlove that she was always a "tomboy" growing up - very into sports and she was a top soccer player. She said she would have pursued professional sports had she not gotten into a music career.

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That's what I'm saying. His proteges were styled with that blonde highlights, so it was most likely reflective of what Prince was going for.

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side note: Sheila E's sporty look I strongly believe was something that a lot of sexual assault victims do to look less attractive/feminine etc to ward off any other attention by people who might sexually assault them. Most either go the cover up route or the expose more route.

Nah, I'm not sure about that. Sheila stated during her interview with Questlove that she was always a "tomboy" growing up - very into sports and she was a top soccer player. She said she would have pursued professional sports had she not gotten into a music career.

She did seem tomboyish. She was dressing very provacatively onstage for some of the concerts back then. I remember she said in interviews that she ended up regretting that.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes, Prince really went full on sexual with the outfits on the SOTT and LoveSexy tours. Very impresdive how she was able to wear the really skimpy outfits, high heels, plus dance and do all of the drumming too. I have no doubt she would have preferred to just stay behind the drums

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

She did seem tomboyish. She was dressing very provacatively onstage for some of the concerts back then. I remember she said in interviews that she ended up regretting that.

Yes, Prince really went full on sexual with the outfits on the SOTT and LoveSexy tours. Very impresdive how she was able to wear the really skimpy outfits, high heels, plus dance and do all of the drumming too. I have no doubt she would have preferred to just stay behind the drums

Yep! She looked amazing in those outfits though! Some of the ones that she wore in '84/'85 were kind of scanty too. I recall her saying in an interview that she began to feel bad about the message she was projecting to young girls.

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said: Yes, Prince really went full on sexual with the outfits on the SOTT and LoveSexy tours. Very impresdive how she was able to wear the really skimpy outfits, high heels, plus dance and do all of the drumming too. I have no doubt she would have preferred to just stay behind the drums

Yep! She looked amazing in those outfits though! Some of the ones that she wore in '84/'85 were kind of scanty too. I recall her saying in an interview that she began to feel bad about the message she was projecting to young girls.

the sanctimonious 'apology' of it is just that. It's not like she was the only woman in the industry showing sexy. Not to mention, she took more clothes off after she left the Prince camp

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That's what I'm saying. His proteges were styled with that blonde highlights, so it was most likely reflective of what Prince was going for.

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side note: Sheila E's sporty look I strongly believe was something that a lot of sexual assault victims do to look less attractive/feminine etc to ward off any other attention by people who might sexually assault them. Most either go the cover up route or the expose more route.

Nah, I'm not sure about that. Sheila stated during her interview with Questlove that she was always a "tomboy" growing up - very into sports and she was a top soccer player. She said she would have pursued professional sports had she not gotten into a music career.

But the sexual molestation started before that. Sheila E admitted she didn't start dealing with it until the time period coming up to her book.
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It is a very common coping mechanism to make oneself look less feminine/girly. A lot of girls/women cut their hair, wear baggy boyish clothes, less/no make up etc so as to not 'attract' any sexual attention.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I know that can happen with girls, but I don't think that is why she dressed "sporty" when not performing. She talked a lot to Questlove about growing up and that she was huge into playing sports. She said she won awards and always best out the competition. I know she went through abuse but it also seems that she was a tomboy during her adolescent and teen years.

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But the sexual molestation started before that. Sheila E admitted she didn't start dealing with it until the time period coming up to her book.
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It is a very common coping mechanism to make oneself look less feminine/girly. A lot of girls/women cut their hair, wear baggy boyish clothes, less/no make up etc so as to not 'attract' any sexual attention.

I know that can happen with girls, but I don't think that is why she dressed "sporty" when not performing. She talked a lot to Questlove about growing up and that she was huge into playing sports. She said she won awards and always best out the competition. I know she went through abuse but it also seems that she was a tomboy during her adolescent and teen years.

It is possible she just didn't go into it deep. It was in her book and maybe she just was not bringing it up anymore. I mean she only started dealing with what happened to her in the last 10 yrs of her life.

OldFriends4Sale said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yep! She looked amazing in those outfits though! Some of the ones that she wore in '84/'85 were kind of scanty too. I recall her saying in an interview that she began to feel bad about the message she was projecting to young girls.

the sanctimonious 'apology' of it is just that. It's not like she was the only woman in the industry showing sexy. Not to mention, she took more clothes off after she left the Prince camp

That's true. It seemed some of her regret was due to religious conviction as well from what she has said.

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

But the sexual molestation started before that. Sheila E admitted she didn't start dealing with it until the time period coming up to her book.
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It is a very common coping mechanism to make oneself look less feminine/girly. A lot of girls/women cut their hair, wear baggy boyish clothes, less/no make up etc so as to not 'attract' any sexual attention.

I know that can happen with girls, but I don't think that is why she dressed "sporty" when not performing. She talked a lot to Questlove about growing up and that she was huge into playing sports. She said she won awards and always best out the competition. I know she went through abuse but it also seems that she was a tomboy during her adolescent and teen years.

Truth is we don't know. Truth is she was molested as a child and children especially are very creative in creating personas to deal with the violence of what happened to them.

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said: I know that can happen with girls, but I don't think that is why she dressed "sporty" when not performing. She talked a lot to Questlove about growing up and that she was huge into playing sports. She said she won awards and always best out the competition. I know she went through abuse but it also seems that she was a tomboy during her adolescent and teen years.

Truth is we don't know. Truth is she was molested as a child and children especially are very creative in creating personas to deal with the violence of what happened to them.

Right, it's always possible that Sheila went for sports and the "tomboy" look in order to prevent male attention. I do agree that some girls will do that, but the way she talked about it with Queslove was in a very matter-of-fact style, and she seemed to be proud of her athletic abilities in her youth.

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I do see how - as Pink commented earlier - she would have had conflicts with her skimpier outfits while in Prince's camp with regard to the message she was sending to young girls. I'm sure that was tough, because it took many years for female performers to not feel pressured to be a sex symbol in addition to being an artist.

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Truth is we don't know. Truth is she was molested as a child and children especially are very creative in creating personas to deal with the violence of what happened to them.

Right, it's always possible that Sheila went for sports and the "tomboy" look in order to prevent male attention. I do agree that some girls will do that, but the way she talked about it with Queslove was in a very matter-of-fact style, and she seemed to be proud of her athletic abilities in her youth.

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I do see how - as Pink commented earlier - she would have had conflicts with her skimpier outfits while in Prince's camp with regard to the message she was sending to young girls. I'm sure that was tough, because it took many years for female performers to not feel pressured to be a sex symbol in addition to being an artist.

I fell asleep listening to Sheila's interview with Questlove last night. Good interview! She was so funny and came across very real. I got to the part about working with Lionel and dropped off. I'll listen to the rest later.

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Right, it's always possible that Sheila went for sports and the "tomboy" look in order to prevent male attention. I do agree that some girls will do that, but the way she talked about it with Queslove was in a very matter-of-fact style, and she seemed to be proud of her athletic abilities in her youth.

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I do see how - as Pink commented earlier - she would have had conflicts with her skimpier outfits while in Prince's camp with regard to the message she was sending to young girls. I'm sure that was tough, because it took many years for female performers to not feel pressured to be a sex symbol in addition to being an artist.

I fell asleep listening to Sheila's interview with Questlove last night. Good interview! She was so funny and came across very real. I got to the part about working with Lionel and dropped off. I'll listen to the rest later.

Oh, you'll love the rest of the interview! It's really cute when they start talking about her working with Prince, and Questlove trying to get all of her drum programming secrets Really sweet. It's clear he's such a huge fan. I really enjoyed listening to her stories. I never knew she was the girl in Lionel Ritchie's Running With The Night video - went back and watched it on YT, and sure enough, there she is!! Too funny - I wore a dress exactly like the one she's wearing in the video to a wedding in 1984, except it was cream colored instead of dark red Those 80's styles really stand out when you look at them again!

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I fell asleep listening to Sheila's interview with Questlove last night. Good interview! She was so funny and came across very real. I got to the part about working with Lionel and dropped off. I'll listen to the rest later.

Oh, you'll love the rest of the interview! It's really cute when they start talking about her working with Prince, and Questlove trying to get all of her drum programming secrets Really sweet. It's clear he's such a huge fan. I really enjoyed listening to her stories. I never knew she was the girl in Lionel Ritchie's Running With The Night video - went back and watched it on YT, and sure enough, there she is!! Too funny - I wore a dress exactly like the one she's wearing in the video to a wedding in 1984, except it was cream colored instead of dark red Those 80's styles really stand out when you look at them again!

Sounds great! I loved her story about playing for Marvin Gaye and adding an extra beat to 'What's Goin On' at one of the shows then blaming it on her brother when Marvin got upset about it. Also loved her story about working for Dianna Ross. I vaguely remember seeing Sheila in the 'Running with The Night' video. Those styles do really stand out now. I don't remember what the dressed looked like she wore for the video. I'll have to look it up now lol. I finished the episode. Sheila didn't seem to want to share too much with Questlove on air about the drum techniques and equipment used on the recordings. Excellent interview though. A lot of fun too!

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violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

She did seem tomboyish. She was dressing very provacatively onstage for some of the concerts back then. I remember she said in interviews that she ended up regretting that.

Yes, Prince really went full on sexual with the outfits on the SOTT and LoveSexy tours. Very impresdive how she was able to wear the really skimpy outfits, high heels, plus dance and do all of the drumming too. I have no doubt she would have preferred to just stay behind the drums

Sheila looked very good back then. She also looked really pretty straight throughout the 2000s when she played with Prince. She looks good now too. I always laugh when I remember during a video last year I think it was when she commented on getting her hair or lashes done and she said ya gotta do the best you can with "whatever you've got left." I relate!

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said: Nah, I'm not sure about that. Sheila stated during her interview with Questlove that she was always a "tomboy" growing up - very into sports and she was a top soccer player. She said she would have pursued professional sports had she not gotten into a music career.

But the sexual molestation started before that. Sheila E admitted she didn't start dealing with it until the time period coming up to her book.
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It is a very common coping mechanism to make oneself look less feminine/girly. A lot of girls/women cut their hair, wear baggy boyish clothes, less/no make up etc so as to not 'attract' any sexual attention.

God bless her. That's a pianful thing to process. ANd very, very common.

Agreed, a lot of people use food also, to ward off attention. If you ever knew what's behind many heavy people's size you'd never judge an overweight person again.

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pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

Oh, you'll love the rest of the interview! It's really cute when they start talking about her working with Prince, and Questlove trying to get all of her drum programming secrets Really sweet. It's clear he's such a huge fan. I really enjoyed listening to her stories. I never knew she was the girl in Lionel Ritchie's Running With The Night video - went back and watched it on YT, and sure enough, there she is!! Too funny - I wore a dress exactly like the one she's wearing in the video to a wedding in 1984, except it was cream colored instead of dark red Those 80's styles really stand out when you look at them again!

Sounds great! I loved her story about playing for Marvin Gaye and adding an extra beat to 'What's Goin On' at one of the shows then blaming it on her brother when Marvin got upset about it. Also loved her story about working for Dianna Ross. I vaguely remember seeing Sheila in the 'Running with The Night' video. Those styles do really stand out now. I don't remember what the dressed looked like she wore for the video. I'll have to look it up now lol. I finished the episode. Sheila didn't seem to want to share too much with Questlove on air about the drum techniques and equipment used on the recordings. Excellent interview though. A lot of fun too!

[Edited 2/26/19 19:18pm]

I remember Sheila telling the story about working with Marvin Gaye. Is this a new interview?

TheTruth123 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Sounds great! I loved her story about playing for Marvin Gaye and adding an extra beat to 'What's Goin On' at one of the shows then blaming it on her brother when Marvin got upset about it. Also loved her story about working for Dianna Ross. I vaguely remember seeing Sheila in the 'Running with The Night' video. Those styles do really stand out now. I don't remember what the dressed looked like she wore for the video. I'll have to look it up now lol. I finished the episode. Sheila didn't seem to want to share too much with Questlove on air about the drum techniques and equipment used on the recordings. Excellent interview though. A lot of fun too!

[Edited 2/26/19 19:18pm]

I remember Sheila telling the story about working with Marvin Gaye. Is this a new interview?

Unless they did another I was not aware of, I believe it was from December 2017.

I just realized something...

How in hell did we get to talking about Sheila E on a thread about the Family?

OldFriends4Sale said:

See!!!! Sometimes "sub-discussions" just organically happen based on how they are connected to the thread topics c or subject I usually end up learning something new or get a different perspective from those "sidebar" discussions!!

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I just realized something...

How in hell did we get to talking about Sheila E on a thread about the Family?

See!!!! Sometimes "sub-discussions" just organically happen based on how they are connected to the thread topics c or subject I usually end up learning something new or get a different perspective from those "sidebar" discussions!!

True! I think discussion began about Prince bleaching his hair in '85 and Sheila was brought up and it took off from there.

lol

pinkcashmere23 said:

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said: Nah, I'm not sure about that. Sheila stated during her interview with Questlove that she was always a "tomboy" growing up - very into sports and she was a top soccer player. She said she would have pursued professional sports had she not gotten into a music career.

She did seem tomboyish. She was dressing very provacatively onstage for some of the concerts back then. I remember she said in interviews that she ended up regretting that.

Jill Jones said when she first saw Sheila E she looked more like Larry Graham.