OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple said:

The one Susannah sold for almost 10K...

Why do we have to make every thread about "Estate" debates. Isn't that what we expect from LauraRichardson?

peggyon said:

I don't think she is embellishing. I think she seemed to be quite honest. Prince did whatever he wanted to do, so I really doubt he felt "pressured" to get engaged at that time. If that really was the case then she obviously meant enough to him that he would go to that extreme to keep her with him.

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Yes,he was going through an emotionally hard time through most of the 90's and according to what Susannah said in her interview with Toure and the note that he wrote to her,he was reaching out to her. Wow,I haven't seen that performance but it sounds intense.

It was very intense. He didn't play the whole song, just sang a portion of it. When it started I didn't even realize what it was until he sang the first verse.

I'd love to see that! What show was it again?

muchtoofast said:

violetcrush said:

Right. And unless she had kept a daily diary, which would have been next to impossible with the schedule she had to keep, memories will come back in spurts. It's a lot of tine to cram into a one hour interview. Plus she has Toure chiming in with his comments, and occasionally cutting off what she was about to say. I was like, wait! Let her finish the thought!

By this time her truth should be able to be the truth and it was for the most part I believe. We as listeners get to wonder about agendas and self delusions and naiveté and what we also know to be true. I try to believe him when he speaks though and he said his songs are spiritual and not based in the flesh.

No one lives like that except maybe Historians.


Again, do you think you would be able to present your life experiences 30+ years ago the way you want her to? What we know in our hearts we don't always translate the best out of our mouths. If we did most of our personal relationships would be so much better than they are. Most peoples problems is communicating how they feel and what they need to say.

Prince is just trying to be deep. The flesh is the flesh. And yes the flesh biblically is translated as 'the fallen nature of man expressing itself throught the body'

So yeah sex is spiritual but it is also just physical. And we return to the garden...

muchtoofast said:

If you go back and read through all of his interviews, and how he answered certain questions, your head will spin. Prince was all over the place with his responses. However, one constant was that he wanted to keep the mystery with most of his songs, and he succeeded, because we're all still talking about it.
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If you look at the lyrics to many of his songs it is obvious that he in fact was singing about the flesh - usually a woman's flesh

peggyon said:

And she was beautiful and had a nice figure but like you I think she is practicing selective memory at the very least. Some songs could have been written for her but we will never know for sure. Saying she was the love of his life is a different matter though.

pinkcashmere23 said:

I wish I could remember - maybe Sunrise FL? It was posted on an awesome YT channel that has since been deleted She had some great live shows posted.

muchtoofast said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Because she did get that too. But let's remember Devin was a part time chick too so 'respect thoughtfulness self restraint affection etc' seriously. She was a side chick. How is that respectful?

At thread needs to be made in he P&R forum to help female Prince fans connect the dots.

Prince also was talking about going back to the garden and musicians being in the garden and the serpent offering artists the forbidden fruit ie money etc etc Prince's revisionist ideas of his songs going from carnal to spiritual. Please that is just his constant conflict.

Do you not see how what you are saying is so derogatory of Prince? That he thought so little of women he used them as little more than a pump n dump? And she didn’t know she was a side chick, she was dumbfounded when he told her he had to get engaged. Why so quick to dump on this woman Devin who only speaks fondly of her time with Prince?

Sorry. It is what it is. That is why so many of them felt weird and wrong at times, even Devin saying she had to pull away from Prince. Let's be real. It isn't derogatory, it's just the truth. Devin said he wouldn't even let her talk to the band members or Sheila E. Why do you think that is?

She did know. You think she didn't know after a point and then move away from Prince?

You think I'm dumping on Devin. I'm not dumping on Devin. I'm just trying to make this plain. That Prince was seeing multiple women 'juggling hearts like a 3 ringled circus' as he said, and you think it is respectful toward Devin?

Women need to understand how men can think, and compartmentalize relationships, sex etc women will turn on each other before they turn on the man. Like we've been seeing in the Prince world in the last few years. I don't think we have to 'turn on Prince', but people just need to be sensible and respectful.

muchtoofast said:

peggyon said:

I am coming to this interview late and am listening to some of her comments that do not jibe with what I have read in several books (The Rise and Fall of Prince, The Rise of Prince, DMSR etc).

Her account of asking her to marry him is different than what I have read in the aforementioned books. I think he said "I want you to be my wife" as a way of letting her down gently as it was determined she could not act well (Under the Cherry Moon) and needed to be replaced. I also read he sent her back (with Allan Leeds) to Minnie soon after they arrived in Paris (same day or next).

I do agree that she was important to him at one time, though.

I am concerned she is embellishing a bit.

She does have a mellodious voice, however.

And she was beautiful and had a nice figure but like you I think she is practicing selective memory at the very least. Some songs could have been written for her but we will never know for sure. Saying she was the love of his life is a different matter though.

Didn't she say he was the 'Lover Of Her Life'?

violetcrush said:

muchtoofast said:

Yes and if Susannah could remember without talking about remembering, or tell a story without talking about telling a story, or be honest without talking about being honest, then I’d be more inclined to believe she was ever “present” enough to even know that an actual relationship was taking place. In her time with Prince she seemed young, dumb, aimless, no ambition, just blowin’ in the wind.

I actually thought she spoke very clearly and eloquently throughout the discussion. This was a continuation or supplement to her first interview with Toure, so that is why they were glossing over certain topics. Again, they were trying to discuss several years in a one hour time frame. * Susannah was only 18 when she met Prince, so yeah, she was very young. However, I would say she was far from dumb. Considering the life she was leading I think she handled herself quite well. Check out the video for Anotherloverholeinyohead - she's on stage doing her thing looking classy, sexy and doing great vocals

I did too. I hope she will write a book one day about her time with Prince because she was around during one of the most creative times of his career and was a part of the writing and recording of the albums and songs. I'd love for her to share more of her memories of that time. I think she looked beautiful in that video and it's definitely one of my favorites! Prince was so cool and laid back in that performance,making faces at the audience.

muchtoofast said:

Go back and read my post #218. Prince confirmed Forever In My Life was written for Susannah. Also, read the liner notes on Emancipation - In This Bed I Scream was written for Wendy, Lisa and Susannah

OldFriends4Sale said:

muchtoofast said:

violetcrush said: By this time her truth should be able to be the truth and it was for the most part I believe. We as listeners get to wonder about agendas and self delusions and naiveté and what we also know to be true. I try to believe him when he speaks though and he said his songs are spiritual and not based in the flesh.

No one lives like that except maybe Historians.


Again, do you think you would be able to present your life experiences 30+ years ago the way you want her to? What we know in our hearts we don't always translate the best out of our mouths. If we did most of our personal relationships would be so much better than they are. Most peoples problems is communicating how they feel and what they need to say.

Prince is just trying to be deep. The flesh is the flesh. And yes the flesh biblically is translated as 'the fallen nature of man expressing itself throught the body'

So yeah sex is spiritual but it is also just physical. And we return to the garden...

Yep. Exactly

violetcrush said:

And maybe Susannah’s agenda is the same, to keep the mystery. And who is Touré without Prince? Now we have another agenda

And maybe in the Vault we’ll find that song titled Susannah’s Vagannah.

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I'd love to see that! What show was it again?

I wish I could remember - maybe Sunrise FL? It was posted on an awesome YT channel that has since been deleted She had some great live shows posted.

Ok. Thanks! I'll be on the look out for it. I think I may know whos channel you are referring and yes she did.

pinkcashmere23 said:

I agree. He was so happy during that show. UTCM had not been released yet and he was still riding the wave of PR. The crowd was huge and full of love for him. I have the video of the show that was released back then and it's fantastic. Wendy starts the Happy Birthday song with the crowd and Prince is so touched by it. Such a great show. He did a radio interview with The DJ Electrifying Mojo right after the show and it's so sweet. He's so happy. He said, hey, guess what we're about to do? We got a bus and we're all going to go and watch Purple Rain" so cute!

violetcrush said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I did too. I hope she will write a book one day about her time with Prince because she was around during one of the most creative times of his career and was a part of the writing and recording of the albums and songs. I'd love for her to share more of her memories of that time. I think she looked beautiful in that video and it's definitely one of my favorites! Prince was so cool and laid back in that performance,making faces at the audience.

I agree. He was so happy during that show. UTCM had not been released yet and he was still riding the wave of PR. The crowd was huge and full of love for him. I have the video of the show that was released back then and it's fantastic. Wendy starts the Happy Birthday song with the crowd and Prince is so touched by it. Such a great show. He did a radio interview with The DJ Electrifying Mojo right after the show and it's so sweet. He's so happy. He said, hey, guess what we're about to do? We got a bus and we're all going to go and watch Purple Rain" so cute!

Yes! I loved it when Wendy had the audience sing Happy Birthday to him! He looked like a bashful little boy lol. So cute and sweet! The interview with Mojo is one of my faves! He sounded adorable in it.

muchtoofast said:

violetcrush said:

If you go back and read through all of his interviews, and how he answered certain questions, your head will spin. Prince was all over the place with his responses. However, one constant was that he wanted to keep the mystery with most of his songs, and he succeeded, because we're all still talking about it. * If you look at the lyrics to many of his songs it is obvious that he in fact was singing about the flesh - usually a woman's flesh

And maybe Susannah’s agenda is the same, to keep the mystery. And who is Touré without Prince? Now we have another agenda And maybe in the Vault we’ll find that song titled Susannah’s Vagannah.

Well we need each other.

Toure was respect by Prince

muchtoofast said:

Awww, don't be "jelly"
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Nah, Susannah doesn't have an agenda, and she doesn't owe anybody any information. So, I think it's great that she's sharing some memories. I'm sure there are things that she wants to keep for herself too, and she has that right.

violetcrush said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Nothing Compares 2 U was about P's housekeeper, Sandy.

Susannah sings background vocals on Ps recorded version.

Yeah, okay right. NC2U is a straight up love song. Is NOT inspired by a platonic relationship with his housekeeper! So, "I can put my arms around every girl I see, but they'd only remind me of you" is describing his feelings for his housekeeper??? And, "it's been 7 hours and 15 days since you took your love away" is about his housekeeper??

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Susannah has recently stated that she began a heavy and intimate relationship with Prince during the filming of PR, and then it stopped for awhile. I believe at some point prior to the film being released she went back to LA. In Alan Light's book she stated "well we lost touch for awhile while he was being a rock star - petulant and needy, getting any girl that he wanted".

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So, it is possible that when he first wrote/recorded NC2U she had been back in LA.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

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Yes, I think Toure is a good guy. He got a few things wrong in his book (like the lyrics to Around The World In A Day) and he lost sone points for not knowing Kate Bush's Hounds Of Love, but that's okay.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Pointless response. Alas, there are soooo many of those around these parts

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

violetcrush said:

Yeah, okay right. NC2U is a straight up love song. Is NOT inspired by a platonic relationship with his housekeeper! So, "I can put my arms around every girl I see, but they'd only remind me of you" is describing his feelings for his housekeeper??? And, "it's been 7 hours and 15 days since you took your love away" is about his housekeeper??

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Susannah has recently stated that she began a heavy and intimate relationship with Prince during the filming of PR, and then it stopped for awhile. I believe at some point prior to the film being released she went back to LA. In Alan Light's book she stated "well we lost touch for awhile while he was being a rock star - petulant and needy, getting any girl that he wanted".

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So, it is possible that when he first wrote/recorded NC2U she had been back in LA.

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you really think the full songs inspiration is just about his housekeeper? Hell yeah I can easily see how he took he affection for her and crafted a song, but it is clearly rendered and has always been rendered in a romantic fashion.

It's been so lonely without you here
Like a bird without a song
Nothing can stop these lonely tears from falling
Tell me, baby, where did I go wrong?
I could put my arms around every girl I see
But they'd only remind me of you
I went to the doctor and guess what he told me
Guess what he told me?
He said, "Boy, you better try to have fun no matter what you do, But he's a fool

OldFriends4Sale said:

“Wendy I’d like you to meet Devin, one of my side chicks I pump n dump while I’m also being perfectly respectful TO YOUR SISTER, the love of my life I’m being RESPECTFUL of.”

He didn’t have a love of his life, not the way HE behaved.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Right OF4S - this has nothing to do with knocking Prince. He knew what he was doing and he often wrote about it. In the first interview I read with Devin D she stated "Prince said he had a controlling side that he didn't want me to see". Oh my, he was quite the puppeteer Devin was very young too and clearly very gullible. If Prince wanted her with him he would have had her with him. Period.

violetcrush said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

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Pointless response. Alas, there are soooo many of those around these parts

Could it be it is because you cannot think outside the box?

muchtoofast said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Sorry. It is what it is. That is why so many of them felt weird and wrong at times, even Devin saying she had to pull away from Prince. Let's be real. It isn't derogatory, it's just the truth. Devin said he wouldn't even let her talk to the band members or Sheila E. Why do you think that is?

She did know. You think she didn't know after a point and then move away from Prince?

You think I'm dumping on Devin. I'm not dumping on Devin. I'm just trying to make this plain. That Prince was seeing multiple women 'juggling hearts like a 3 ringled circus' as he said, and you think it is respectful toward Devin?

Women need to understand how men can think, and compartmentalize relationships, sex etc women will turn on each other before they turn on the man. Like we've been seeing in the Prince world in the last few years. I don't think we have to 'turn on Prince', but people just need to be sensible and respectful.

“Wendy I’d like you to meet Devin, one of my side chicks I pump n dump while I’m also being perfectly respectful TO YOUR SISTER, the love of my life I’m being RESPECTFUL of.” He didn’t have a love of his life, not the way HE behaved.

So are you now being derogatory toward Prince now?

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So everything you just said here backed my premise. If he was straight up to Sheila Jill Susannah Devin etc and said 'Hey I like you, I'm not looking to get married or hardcore dating, but I would like to spend time with you, we can see other people..." lots of men do this. Then it would have been a respectful endevour. Facts before Feelings. Then the person would be given honesty and empowered with info to make a choice, after that any hurt would be on them.

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And didn't Toure ask if Prince was the love of HER life? not the other way around?

muchtoofast said:

Um, you really think Wendy and Lisa didn't know what Prince was doing?? Two extremely smart chicks who were also close to the crew. Yeah, they knew. Why do you think there was tension and fighting toward the end? Susannah also stated she knew by a certain point. But I guarantee after awhile Susannah wasn't just sitting around twiddling her thumbs, especially when in LA. That's why we have gems like Empty Room, Go, and Anotherloverholeinyohead

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes, Toure actually stated that Susannah was the love of Prince's life, and he asked her if Prince was her greatest love.

violetcrush said:

muchtoofast said:

“Wendy I’d like you to meet Devin, one of my side chicks I pump n dump while I’m also being perfectly respectful TO YOUR SISTER, the love of my life I’m being RESPECTFUL of.” He didn’t have a love of his life, not the way HE behaved.

Um, you really think Wendy and Lisa didn't know what Prince was doing?? Two extremely smart chicks who were also close to the crew. Yeah, they knew. Why do you think there was tension and fighting toward the end? Susannah also stated she knew by a certain point. But I guarantee after awhile Susannah wasn't just sitting around twiddling her thumbs, especially when in LA. That's why we have gems like Empty Room, Go, and Anotherloverholeinyohead

Susannah seemed to be really getting to him by that time going by the lyrics of several songs.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Oh, I can assure you that I am an "out of box" thinker, but come on!! The majority of that song speaks to a romantic love, not a relationship between a guy and his housekeeper