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PrintableWonderU said: LaMont said: DavidEye said: I mean,let's be honest here,the only Prince proteges' who went on to big success (AFTER they left Prince) are Jam and Lewis and (maybe) Carmen Elektra.Everyone else seems to have been forgotten.Oh,they still work on projects,but none of these people are "successful" by any stretch of the imagination...
Apollonia Vanity Susan Brenda Sir Casey Terry (lead singer of Mazarati) Morris Day The Family BrownMark Wendy and Lisa (face it,their albums flopped big time) Ingrid Chavez Taja Sevelle Jerome Benton Jill Jones Cat Mayte Rosie Gaines T.C. Ellis Tony M. Margaret Cox I'm not dissing these people at all.In fact,I am a huge fan of most of these artists.I just can't figure out why many of them can't seem to break out of the "Prince shadow" and establish careers for themselves.Rosie Gaines can sing her ass off,why isn't she as popular as,say,Jill Scott? Morris Day was so good in 'Purple Rain',he should be on his tenth movie by now! Could it be that,maybe some of these people really aren't *that* talented after all? If it weren't for the Prince connection,would we have even heard of these folks in the first place? (Of course,I'm not referring to all of these people...lol...y'all know who I mean). Or,could it be that,working with Prince is a blessing AND a curse? On the one hand,it gives them massive exposure,being connected to one of the most talented,most successful artists of our time.But,maybe it also ruins their *own* chance at having a long-lasting career of their own? What do you think? ... [This message was edited Mon Apr 21 6:41:43 PDT 2003 by DavidEye] YOu got it. Most - if not all - of these people siimply are not as good unless Prince is working with them. That is why I never put any credence behind the claims that Wendy and Lisa were some great loss for Prince. THey havent done anything as good as the work they did with him. Even artists that are talented - like Rosie Gaines and Morris Day - didnt do as well as they did when they were with him. Most of them - with the clear exception of Sheila E - are not household names and are long forgotten. Andre Cymone is a prime example. He was the first to break out and think he could be Prince as a solo act. He got a rude awakening. In fact, the only hit he ever had was after 3 albums of trying and a song written by Prince (The Dance Electric). Now there are some good spin offs that can exist independently of Prince: Sheila E, Jesse Johnson, Dez Dickerson, Morris Day, Jam and Lewis, and even Rosie to some extent. But Prince has been a legend for some 20 years now. He still gets on national TV and fill venues on the road without the corporate backing or airplay. These other artists have all tried to do the same but simply can not. I think they would tell you themselves that there is only one Prince and that they owe him their beginnings in the business [This message was edited Wed Apr 23 15:33:02 PDT 2003 by LaMont] About your Wendy and Lisa comment, the funny thing is that Prince hasn't done any work as good as they did as a band either  AND Eroica was an amazing album, you better go listen to it again, it has EVERYTHING that's been missing from Prince's music.aww, the great Wendy&lisa/Prince argument comes up again Bottomline: It doesn't matter how much talent you have, remember Many Moore had a number 1 album So you really can't say that the reason why W&L didn't make it commercially was because they didn't have talent. But I do resepect your opnions, wonderu and lamont, and slightly agree with them both. ~KiKi | |
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The fact is, ,most of them were talentless before Prince turned up, and talentless after he went his way.
As for most of his good lookng female proteges, Prince was never around long enough for any of them to have more than a hit single or two. Prince always did his best impression of a panda. Eats shoots and leaves.  . | |
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Well most don't because they will spend most of the rest of their career talking about him.(P)
Most of the ones you are talking about had drug issues... They had issues before and continued to have them after they left... Drugs do affect your choices in life. Is that Princes fault? Is he running his own drug rehab program or something? And maybe you all over looked one thing most people would only give these folks attention because of the name "Prince" connected with them. Having a bunch of non talented people around you can make anyone look really good... sorry if that was over your head...jump up and try to catch the point next time. | |
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Rudy said: I think it's because most of them suck and are merely little props Prince uses for a year or 2
agreed... with only a few expections... | |
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queen627 said: Having a bunch of non talented people around you can make anyone look really good... I've always had this theory that Prince was probably AFRAID to work with truly talented people.Look at the proteges he discovered and produced,many of which had very litle actual talent or skills.His Paisley Park Records label never looked for the next Whitney Houston or the next Boyz II Men.They settled on lesser talents.Perhaps Prince didn't really want an act that could become TOO big and possibly overshadow his own recordings? | |
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DavidEye said: queen627 said: Having a bunch of non talented people around you can make anyone look really good... I've always had this theory that Prince was probably AFRAID to work with truly talented people.Look at the proteges he discovered and produced,many of which had very litle actual talent or skills.His Paisley Park Records label never looked for the next Whitney Houston or the next Boyz II Men.They settled on lesser talents.Perhaps Prince didn't really want an act that could become TOO big and possibly overshadow his own recordings? Bingo. either that or he tried to control the truly talented proteges.his ego was badly bruised when he saw how powerful the time were, I guess he figured that he wasn't goning to make that same mistake. As far as the people in his band; they all (in their own right) were talented, just not as talented as himslef (with a few exceptions). ~KiKi | |
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Sheila was an artist in her own right before Prince met her. No she was not a big pop star. She hails from a well know jazz artist family (Coke Escovedo is her uncle as well as Alejandro Escovedo). Peter Michael Escovedo is her little brother. The late Tito Puente was her godfather. She was part of the group Azteca with her dad Pete Escovedo. She went to tour with jazz greats such as George Duke, George Benson. She has worked as a studio musician with Gerald Albright, Najee (on his Song in the key of life tribute album), Babyface, and many other music greats. As a matter of fact Prince met her when she was on tour with one of the above listed jazz greats. So, she was in the music business many moons before she worked with Prince and she has remained in demand as a jazz artist after him. I have read credits on peoples albums in the past few years and have seen her name on session work. Tony Toni Tone's last album she played on the song Loving You. By the way they were her back-up band before she went on the Sign 'O' Times tour with Prince.
I guess everyone's idea of success is different. People y'all need to check out her last two albums, Writes of Passage and Heaven. She still kicks ass as a drummer, percussionist, and perfomer. She has her own drum line for adults and a couple of years ago for children. Miss thang is not hurting for work or money. | |
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