And he is upset.

Why is he upset?
He is using material he doesn't own for profit and a cause.
I cant believe he expects that is ok.

Oh, his trolling Troy, that's funny. Andre done called him out on his foolishness. He wanna be seen so bad.

Militant said that Omarr received one too.

Pretty soon we aren't even going to be able to type the word Prince, without getting a letter.

PennyPurple said:

Militant said that Omarr received one too.

Pretty soon we aren't even going to be able to type the word Prince, without getting a letter.

But Omarr is part of the Estate. Bwak! What, he not making the board meetings or something, they couldn't tell him in person?


At this point some kind of order needs to take place, folks are just going absolutely haywire with their breaking off little pieces to subliment their incomes with his name.

Why is he trolling Troy?

onlyforaminute said:

Oh, his trolling Troy, that's funny. Andre done called him out on his foolishness. He wanna be seen so bad.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Why is he trolling Troy?

onlyforaminute said:

Oh, his trolling Troy, that's funny. Andre done called him out on his foolishness. He wanna be seen so bad.

This Troy not the Estate Troy.

onlyforaminute said:

Oh, his trolling Troy, that's funny. Andre done called him out on his foolishness. He wanna be seen so bad.

Ah, you saw that too? Those two throwing shade at each other is something to watch for sure

Mumio said:

onlyforaminute said:

Oh, his trolling Troy, that's funny. Andre done called him out on his foolishness. He wanna be seen so bad.

Ah, you saw that too? Those two throwing shade at each other is something to watch for sure

Still beefed about days gone by.

Most all the people in Prince's life are using his image to make money. Its ok for the NPG to tour and play his songs for profit, but his cousin can't use anything to get justice????? Prince had no Fentynal in his systom the night b4 he died. why were his clothes on backwards?? Why is it so bad for Chazz to find out who and where the pills came from? something was really wrong!!! some people do not want to just act like nothing happened and sweep it under the rug. that is called JUSTICE4CUZ

If you don't agree with him then move onto something else. Don't put someone down who actually is doing something to get the answers of WHO supplied the pills to Prince, Who helped enable him to unfortunatly cause his death. Those people should have put their time into helping his addiction instead of feeding it. What kind of love is that?? We all love Prince and his music? Prince was starting to seek help for his addiction and then BAM he is dead the next morning???? The Doctor has admitted to doing wrong and has paid a fine for it. sooooooooo maybe some others need to speak up.

Thanks. I just read it.

That was an odd but entertaining exchange between Chazz and Andre on Troy's page.

onlyforaminute said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Why is he trolling Troy?

This Troy not the Estate Troy.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Thanks. I just read it.

That was an odd but entertaining exchange between Chazz and Andre on Troy's page.

onlyforaminute said:

This Troy not the Estate Troy.

Well in combination with the Jimmy Jam and Jesse interviews I can get what's going on, they all know each other so I guess they can keep each other in check.

souls1999 said:

Most all the people in Prince's life are using his image to make money. Its ok for the NPG to tour and play his songs for profit, but his cousin can't use anything to get justice????? Prince had no Fentynal in his systom the night b4 he died. why were his clothes on backwards?? Why is it so bad for Chazz to find out who and where the pills came from? something was really wrong!!! some people do not want to just act like nothing happened and sweep it under the rug. that is called JUSTICE4CUZ

If you don't agree with him then move onto something else. Don't put someone down who actually is doing something to get the answers of WHO supplied the pills to Prince, Who helped enable him to unfortunatly cause his death. Those people should have put their time into helping his addiction instead of feeding it. What kind of love is that?? We all love Prince and his music? Prince was starting to seek help for his addiction and then BAM he is dead the next morning???? The Doctor has admitted to doing wrong and has paid a fine for it. sooooooooo maybe some others need to speak up.

Wrong thread, wrong forum.

Man, all these people are self-serving as hell, including Troy who called Prince an asshole in 2013 on his facebook for not letting him profit off his pictures of posed dolls in reproductions of original photos.

Andre probably doesn't lie about P's personal history but he only focuses on his own genius most of the time and may overstate it at times..

I suspect that Chazz is bitter about P abandoning their supposedly near-perfect family to become the success he never became. All this is is a big "I told you so, Prince was corrupted by an industry that I was cruely left out of--None of these issues are my family's fault..only Prince and the industry that corrupted him and murdered him are to blame." Chazz's young picture on his facebook is one of himself with eyeliner looking like Prince. But His podcast with Michael Anderson said very little about Prince and he spent so much of the 3 hour podcast talking about his importance to P's early life, his own history etc that I eventually skimmed the podcast for Prince references -- and he admitted they hadn't talked since 1985. Andre and Prince had their ups and downs but at least they talked within the last 30 years. Andre talked to him relatively recently (in the last couple years of his life.) Do we know that his cousin (no matter how close professionally he and his family were to Prince's) knows what daily life was like for Prince back then?? His recent post said that Mattie was gracious for letting P run away from home and move in with a non-family member at 12 years old. Is gracious the right word for that decision?? What about Andre stating that Prince who barely spoke about his family only said "I can't take this shit" in reference to this homelife. What about Paul Mitchell, another prince friend stating that P didn't really have a family and was living with a much older aunt and spending most of his time at friend's homes? Did Prince and Tyka both run away from home and eventually suffer from drug addiction because they were spoiled and over-indulged by a near perfect, gracious family? I can't help but think that Chazz's crusade is more about Chazz, his bitterness about the music industry, and his family honor than anything else.

onlyforaminute said:

Oh, his trolling Troy, that's funny. Andre done called him out on his foolishness. He wanna be seen so bad.

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SkipperLove said:

Man, all these people are self-serving as hell, including Troy who called Prince an asshole in 2013 on his facebook for not letting him profit off his pictures of posed dolls in reproductions of original photos.

Andre probably doesn't lie about P's personal history but he only focuses on his own genius most of the time and may overstate it at times..

I suspect that Chazz is bitter about P abandoning their supposedly near-perfect family to become the success he never became. All this is is a big "I told you so, Prince was corrupted by an industry that I was cruely left out of--None of these issues are my family's fault..only Prince and the industry that corrupted him and murdered him are to blame." Chazz's young picture on his facebook is one of himself with eyeliner looking like Prince. But His podcast with Michael Anderson said very little about Prince and he spent so much of the 3 hour podcast talking about his importance to P's early life, his own history etc that I eventually skimmed the podcast for Prince references -- and he admitted they hadn't talked since 1985. Andre and Prince had their ups and downs but at least they talked within the last 30 years. Andre talked to him relatively recently (in the last couple years of his life.) Do we know that his cousin (no matter how close professionally he and his family were to Prince's) knows what daily life was like for Prince back then?? His recent post said that Mattie was gracious for letting P run away from home and move in with a non-family member at 12 years old. Is gracious the right word for that decision?? What about Andre stating that Prince who barely spoke about his family only said "I can't take this shit" in reference to this homelife. What about Paul Mitchell, another prince friend stating that P didn't really have a family and was living with a much older aunt and spending most of his time at friend's homes? Did Prince and Tyka both run away from home and eventually suffer from drug addiction because they were spoiled and over-indulged by a near perfect, gracious family? I can't help but think that Chazz's crusade is more about Chazz, his bitterness about the music industry, and his family honor than anything else.

onlyforaminute said:

Oh, his trolling Troy, that's funny. Andre done called him out on his foolishness. He wanna be seen so bad.

[Edited 8/17/18 17:24pm]

[Edited 8/17/18 17:35pm]

I don't know. I really was hoping we as fans would have an armful of new material that would distract us before the silly family bs hit the fan but I guess, if hopes and wishes were candy and nuts...

He probably states that the campaign to look into Prince's death needs funding--thus the shirts. But how we know if that's the case. And like you said, he doesn't own those images.

Zannaloaf said:

Why is he upset?
He is using material he doesn't own for profit and a cause.
I cant believe he expects that is ok.

SkipperLove said:

Man, all these people are self-serving as hell, including Troy who called Prince an asshole in 2013 on his facebook for not letting him profit off his pictures of posed dolls in reproductions of original photos.

Andre probably doesn't lie about P's personal history but he only focuses on his own genius most of the time and may overstate it at times..

I suspect that Chazz is bitter about P abandoning their supposedly near-perfect family to become the success he never became. All this is is a big "I told you so, Prince was corrupted by an industry that I was cruely left out of--None of these issues are my family's fault..only Prince and the industry that corrupted him and murdered him are to blame." Chazz's young picture on his facebook is one of himself with eyeliner looking like Prince. But His podcast with Michael Anderson said very little about Prince and he spent so much of the 3 hour podcast talking about his importance to P's early life, his own history etc that I eventually skimmed the podcast for Prince references -- and he admitted they hadn't talked since 1985. Andre and Prince had their ups and downs but at least they talked within the last 30 years. Andre talked to him relatively recently (in the last couple years of his life.) Do we know that his cousin (no matter how close professionally he and his family were to Prince's) knows what daily life was like for Prince back then?? His recent post said that Mattie was gracious for letting P run away from home and move in with a non-family member at 12 years old. Is gracious the right word for that decision?? What about Andre stating that Prince who barely spoke about his family only said "I can't take this shit" in reference to this homelife. What about Paul Mitchell, another prince friend stating that P didn't really have a family and was living with a much older aunt and spending most of his time at friend's homes? Did Prince and Tyka both run away from home and eventually suffer from drug addiction because they were spoiled and over-indulged by a near perfect, gracious family? I can't help but think that Chazz's crusade is more about Chazz, his bitterness about the music industry, and his family honor than anything else.

Chazz is out for a buck & some attention. :::slow clap:::

Troy's art is protected under freedom of speech, & artistic freedom. He could even list his work as satire and be safe. How many late night hosts do we see dressing up as Trump or using a photo in a monologue, & not getting slammed with c&ds? People doing these unauthorized biographies create sound-alike songs for background music, & cannot be touched with a lawsuit.

These c&d letters are more of a scare tactic in some cases. Even I got one from NPG back in 2000 or so for playing stuff on an internet radio station (Uptown Radio).

Chazz though, he's on some personal crusade that is his own.

TrivialPursuit said:

Chazz is out for a buck & some attention. :::slow clap:::

Troy's art is protected under freedom of speech, & artistic freedom. He could even list his work as satire and be safe. How many late night hosts do we see dressing up as Trump or using a photo in a monologue, & not getting slammed with c&ds? People doing these unauthorized biographies create sound-alike songs for background music, & cannot be touched with a lawsuit.

These c&d letters are more of a scare tactic in some cases. Even I got one from NPG back in 2000 or so for playing stuff on an internet radio station (Uptown Radio).

Chazz though, he's on some personal crusade that is his own.

Unfortunately, Troy can't sell anything. Remember when Prince was alive and Troy tried to sell shirts and calendars... Prince at that time AND his estate now are missing out on an opportunity to market very good unique art from someone who obviously loves Prince and created a character (I always think of The Little Prince classic book as a tribute to Prince) that captures Prince's essence more than some Funko Pop figurine...

Thanks for the information. I agree that Prince had no foot to stand on where the dolls were concerned..but I don't think any of those dolls could be construed as satire (unless he is satirizing his lack of size). But you are right...those C and D's were pointless. I was more asking if the photographers and designers of his clothes could have legitimate beefs with these ecreations..(I doubt they would care but anyhow.) For me, if a musician I liked did something I determined was mean to me, I would wish him the insight to get his head out of his ass and then occassionally revisit his music. I don't think however I could bring myself to study his/her face, clothes, photos etc with intimate detail to do artistic rendering (especially in a way that isn't satirical) after calling him an asshole on my facebook. That's just a mindset I don't have or understand.

TrivialPursuit said:

Chazz is out for a buck & some attention. :::slow clap:::

Troy's art is protected under freedom of speech, & artistic freedom. He could even list his work as satire and be safe. How many late night hosts do we see dressing up as Trump or using a photo in a monologue, & not getting slammed with c&ds? People doing these unauthorized biographies create sound-alike songs for background music, & cannot be touched with a lawsuit.

These c&d letters are more of a scare tactic in some cases. Even I got one from NPG back in 2000 or so for playing stuff on an internet radio station (Uptown Radio).

Chazz though, he's on some personal crusade that is his own.

If he was just trying to sell photos, I would not have minded. If he was starting a line of dolls without the consent of prince then i would find that a bit hard to support.

purplethunder3121 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Chazz is out for a buck & some attention. :::slow clap:::

Troy's art is protected under freedom of speech, & artistic freedom. He could even list his work as satire and be safe. How many late night hosts do we see dressing up as Trump or using a photo in a monologue, & not getting slammed with c&ds? People doing these unauthorized biographies create sound-alike songs for background music, & cannot be touched with a lawsuit.

These c&d letters are more of a scare tactic in some cases. Even I got one from NPG back in 2000 or so for playing stuff on an internet radio station (Uptown Radio).

Chazz though, he's on some personal crusade that is his own.

Unfortunately, Troy can't sell anything. Remember when Prince was alive and Troy tried to sell shirts and calendars... Prince at that time AND his estate now are missing out on an opportunity to market very good unique art from someone who obviously loves Prince and created a character (I always think of The Little Prince classic book as a tribute to Prince) that captures Prince's essence more than some Funko Pop figurine...

SkipperLove said:

If he was just trying to sell photos, I would not have minded. If he was starting a line of dolls without the consent of prince then i would find that a bit hard to support.

purplethunder3121 said:

Unfortunately, Troy can't sell anything. Remember when Prince was alive and Troy tried to sell shirts and calendars... Prince at that time AND his estate now are missing out on an opportunity to market very good unique art from someone who obviously loves Prince and created a character (I always think of The Little Prince classic book as a tribute to Prince) that captures Prince's essence more than some Funko Pop figurine...

Troy never tried selling a line of dolls; he started his project as a work of art and then when people were interested he tried to sell calendars and shirts when they requested it...for Le Petite Prince.

I never said he tried to sell dolls. I am just saying had he tried to sell dolls. The pictures were harmless, but his anger over being denied to ability to sell photos and then his reluctance to stop (as well as his rant against Prince not just for his action regarding the dolls but in a general sense) seemed odd to me. I would probably have to move on to making David Bowie dolls at that point.

purplethunder3121 said:

SkipperLove said:

If he was just trying to sell photos, I would not have minded. If he was starting a line of dolls without the consent of prince then i would find that a bit hard to support.

Troy never tried selling a line of dolls; he started his project as a work of art and then when people were interested he tried to sell calendars and shirts when they requested it...for Le Petite Prince.

SkipperLove said:

Thanks for the information. I agree that Prince had no foot to stand on where the dolls were concerned..but I don't think any of those dolls could be construed as satire (unless he is satirizing his lack of size).

Satire is not specifically making fun of a person's attributes. Satire is "the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues".

The irony here is that Troy's artwork from the fence of tributes outside is on display on the tour inside, seen here in the upper left:




Which is this photo:

There is no criticism in any of his dolls except maybe the Free LPP images.. I will say in all fairness that some of the images after P died were warmer and more personal than the ones before his death. So maybe he reconciled his issues with Prince as a man after his death and spending some time with his people and at Paisley.

TrivialPursuit said:

SkipperLove said:

Thanks for the information. I agree that Prince had no foot to stand on where the dolls were concerned..but I don't think any of those dolls could be construed as satire (unless he is satirizing his lack of size).

Satire is not specifically making fun of a person's attributes. Satire is "the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues".

The irony here is that Troy's artwork from the fence of tributes outside is on display on the tour inside, seen here in the upper left:




Which is this photo:

Back to Chazz, on his website, he said that the C and D were intended to shut him up. Not once have they shut him up. Selling shirts with P's photo and posting his pictures doesn't serve his cause nor are they needed for him to continue with his cause. He could ask for donations and sell shirts with words on them and still continue his cause. The dude is just bitter.

SkipperLove said:

Back to Chazz, on his website, he said that the C and D were intended to shut him up. Not once have they shut him up. Selling shirts with P's photo and posting his pictures doesn't serve his cause nor are they needed for him to continue with his cause. He could ask for donations and sell shirts with words on them and still continue his cause. The dude is just bitter.

That's interesting? He really seems to be grieving his beloved cousin. Do you think he is "bitter" because Prince is gone? Or do you think it goes back to the Grand Central days when he was booted as the drummer for Morris Day?

minnesoundlvr said:

SkipperLove said:

Back to Chazz, on his website, he said that the C and D were intended to shut him up. Not once have they shut him up. Selling shirts with P's photo and posting his pictures doesn't serve his cause nor are they needed for him to continue with his cause. He could ask for donations and sell shirts with words on them and still continue his cause. The dude is just bitter.

That's interesting? He really seems to be grieving his beloved cousin. Do you think he is "bitter" because Prince is gone? Or do you think it goes back to the Grand Central days when he was booted as the drummer for Morris Day?

Chazz admitted he hasnt talked to P since 1985.

He originally gave an interview in which he called P an addict and said he tried to get him into rehab?

Then he gives another interview where he changed his story about the addiction and is giving tours through Minneapolis.

So which is it Chazz?