SkipperLove said:

Maybe, but it also could be rumors, misunderstandings, accidents. Who knows. It is still a maybe.

PennyPurple said:

Vanity/Denise's, brother in law posts on this forum sometimes. When Denise died she left him a box of things and in the box was some journals/notes type of things. Toban is an awesome fellow and poet.

Here is a snippet of Toban's that he shared with us. Make of it, what you will, but it does lend some credit to Prince maybe being abusive.

Well, we do know that he did handcuff Jesse in the shower after the food fight or something. It is in Denise's notes, so that lends an air of credibility.

I am just talking about context which is why I mentioned practical jokes in my revised response to you earlier. Context tells us that Jesse being handcuffed was a practical joke gone too far. Without the background knowledge, it could sound worse than it was. For example, the person being beaten black and blue, was this a woman who was beaten, was this a man being beaten upon Prince's request, was this a bodyguard who beat up a dude in an argument about Prince. We don't have the context. Getting kicked in the head--do we know if it was an accident during dancing or rehearsal or a vicous attack from Prince or one of his subordinates??? We don't know any context from those statements.

PennyPurple said:

SkipperLove said:

Maybe, but it also could be rumors, misunderstandings, accidents. Who knows. It is still a maybe.

Well, we do know that he did handcuff Jesse in the shower after the food fight or something. It is in Denise's notes, so that lends an air of credibility.

purplefam99 said:

ladygirl99 said:

I am all for Wendy (or anyone who had been abused by Prince) to still come out with their stories.

But yeah their credibility would be questioned too by his fanbots, and Wendy lives her life off the grid and I am a big fan of hers, and I hate to see her getting trash and the media coming after her too.

Well I wouldn’t necessarily question her credibility. I just don’t think It would serve her purpose which seems to preserve the Revolution portion of the Purple history. I think that move would taint her position. But I support Anyone who has been abused by anyone speaking if that is what leads to their healing.

I see what you are saying because people would mention the nice things she said about him in the interviews she did after his death and plus she participating in the reunion tours. The weirdest thing is that I always thought Prince might have hit Susannah because I read books and books from associates said that they saw those two staying fighting verbally and didn't went too much details. I would never thought of the possibility that he might hit Wendy too because I always thought Wendy would whupped Prince's ass if he touched her.

But still yeah I agree that people should speak out if they are brave to.

I hate to be cruel but I believe that his death might have escaped him from metoo movement which became mainstream last year. Because I believed had Prince lived, that Charlene chick might have paved way for people to talk, regardless of the non-disclosure agreement.

No matter how monstrous a person was in their lifetime, sometimes people would still sympathize with that person and found the good now that person is deceased.

Strawberrylova123 said:

ladygirl99 said:

It is more than a few posters. Lets leave it at that.

But yeah that is good you are on the right track of willing to see Prince as a well-rounded. I try to keep my posts balance as I do go on music threads and give P props for his music and I also defended Prince too of how I believe the estate and some of his siblings treat him more like a money object than a human who once lived. But again I refuse to overlook his flaws because he is dead.

It's not about looking at his flaws, everybody has flaws. Domestic violence is a serious crime and people are insinuating that prince abused women.

I know everyone has flaws but it is hard to talk about Prince's dark wisdom too on this site now without fans jumping on people.

Yes domestic violence is a serious crime. I don't know if Prince hit women due to the fact I wasn't there. But I was on Jill's myspace years ago and around the late 2000s, she insinuating that Prince broke her arm. Instead, she said 'Prince broke Marilyn Monroe's arm', and yall know she tried to look like her during 1999 era. She said this after Web Sheriff or Prince's team removed the videos she made off her debut album.

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ThatWhiteDude said:

ladygirl99 said:

What are people most curious about Prince?

The question I get mainly is “What’s he like?” But it’s a huge question really. It really means, “What was it like to be friends with the person who changed my life?”

I try to be careful with my answer because our heroes can disappoint us. I don’t mean to be cryptic, but you have to be careful with Prince fans. They don’t want to hear anything that doesn’t match their picture.

https://billypenn.com/201...sic-legend

See this was the interview that I mentioned before when Wendy cryptic that was why she withhold a lot of bad experience with Prince because of the fans outcry.

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Yeah, but her statement could refer to anything. Right now, I doubt that what Sinead said really happened.

Jill also implied that Prince broke her arm. I saw her statement on her in my own eyes on myspace back in the day. Jill seems more credible. She also had a long connection with Prince.

In books, associates said Prince had a temper and was angry a lot especially in the 80s. Even Prince said in some interviews he had anger issues. And also people saw how Prince was violent toward Brownmark too and that shocked me. Some of this information in biography books too I mean about him and Brownmark.

I know this a tough thread to read and some people are more than welcome to leave if this too much to handle but you can't control narratives even if they are against your beliefs. And also as years go by more stuff is going to come out of Prince that is going to be disappointing like other late stars.

ladygirl99 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

ladygirl99 said:

Jill also implied that Prince broke her arm. I saw her statement on her in my own eyes on myspace back in the day. Jill seems more credible. She also had a long connection with Prince.

In books, associates said Prince had a temper and was angry a lot especially in the 80s. Even Prince said in some interviews he had anger issues. And also people saw how Prince was violent toward Brownmark too and that shocked me. Some of this information in biography books too I mean about him and Brownmark.

I know this a tough thread to read and some people are more than welcome to leave if this too much to handle but you can't control narratives even if they are against your beliefs. And also as years go by more stuff is going to come out of Prince that is going to be disappointing like other late stars.

Brownmark and prince were close, brownmark personally told me he introduced him to the Jehovah witness faith back in the day before Larry Graham

I don't believe a thing BrownMark says, he says alot to build himself up.

He's now saying that he chorographed Purple Rain & When Doves Cry.

For everything Prince did for BM, BM sure has a shtiy way to say thank you. He never shows any gratitude to Prince.

Strawberrylova123 said:

ladygirl99 said:

Jill also implied that Prince broke her arm. I saw her statement on her in my own eyes on myspace back in the day. Jill seems more credible. She also had a long connection with Prince.

In books, associates said Prince had a temper and was angry a lot especially in the 80s. Even Prince said in some interviews he had anger issues. And also people saw how Prince was violent toward Brownmark too and that shocked me. Some of this information in biography books too I mean about him and Brownmark.

I know this a tough thread to read and some people are more than welcome to leave if this too much to handle but you can't control narratives even if they are against your beliefs. And also as years go by more stuff is going to come out of Prince that is going to be disappointing like other late stars.

Brownmark and prince were close, brownmark personally told me he introduced him to the Jehovah witness faith back in the day before Larry Graham

It was a thread on here in the mid-00s (I had participated in it too) about people said Prince treated Brownmark wrong and they mentioned the kick and joked about he didn't had any lines in Purple Rain and how Prince constantly cussed him out on stage. It was a funny thread too. Good ole days at the org where it used to be freaky and fun. And also read 'A Pop Life' book because Brownmark even confirmed Prince kicked him in the chest several times to the drumset when he broke a string while he rehearsed.

So Prince's relationship with people was complicated. It is best for fans to read his biography books that were written when he was alive from associates who mentioned about Prince's temper. Some were dropping tea about Prince's anger issues.

Yeah I heard about Brownmark and Prince got close because of their JW faith and Prince did an interview when Prince was alive in the '10s, he said he kept in touch with Brownmark the most because of JW.

I also chatted with Brownmark in the past he is a cool dude.

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How does one control a narrative when everyone is being given the right to talk? No one is cutting off your posts or blocking you. No one is calling you names (fanbots) or accusing you of an agenda. They are merely analysing public statements and tidbits of info and giving Prince the benefit of the doubt. There is no proof for any of these accounts. And none of the people making the statements (with the exception of Charlene Friend whose case was thrown out) have pressed any charges. There are inconsistencies in folks' statements, speculation, and context that is being discussed. You can spend your time trying to suggest all or most of the negative rumors and suggestions are true about Prince if you want. But since my or anyone else bringing up conflicting accounts is always met with the argument that we are fanbots, Prince was no saint, and people are being forced to be quiet about how bad he really was in order to make a living. I am going to end the discussion on my part with the following statement...where there is smoke, there is not always four-alarm fire; Prince never talked so accounts of his life are inherently one-sided, and he is not the only complex, complicated person in that line of work who is capable of pulling some shifty shit.

ladygirl99 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Yeah, but her statement could refer to anything. Right now, I doubt that what Sinead said really happened.

Jill also implied that Prince broke her arm. I saw her statement on her in my own eyes on myspace back in the day. Jill seems more credible. She also had a long connection with Prince.

In books, associates said Prince had a temper and was angry a lot especially in the 80s. Even Prince said in some interviews he had anger issues. And also people saw how Prince was violent toward Brownmark too and that shocked me. Some of this information in biography books too I mean about him and Brownmark.

I know this a tough thread to read and some people are more than welcome to leave if this too much to handle but you can't control narratives even if they are against your beliefs. And also as years go by more stuff is going to come out of Prince that is going to be disappointing like other late stars.

How does Prince kick someone in the chest? People have read those books and everyone knows about Brown stating that Prince kicked him. But they are both adult men. Its not right but it is not the end of the world. BTW, I believe mark was kicked.I just don't understand the 'chest' part.

ladygirl99 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

ladygirl99 said: Brownmark and prince were close, brownmark personally told me he introduced him to the Jehovah witness faith back in the day before Larry Graham

It was a thread on here in the mid-00s (I had participated in it too) about people said Prince treated Brownmark wrong and they mentioned the kick and joked about he didn't had any lines in Purple Rain and how Prince constantly cussed him out on stage. It was a funny thread too. Good ole days at the org where it used to be freaky and fun. And also read 'A Pop Life' book because Brownmark even confirmed Prince kicked him in the chest several times to the drumset when he broke a string while he rehearsed.

So Prince's relationship with people was complicated. It is best for fans to read his biography books that were written when he was alive from associates who mentioned about Prince's temper. Some were dropping tea about Prince's anger issues.

Yeah I heard about Brownmark and Prince got close because of their JW faith and Prince did an interview when Prince was alive in the '10s, he said he kept in touch with Brownmark the most because of JW.

I also chatted with Brownmark in the past he is a cool dude.

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People really need to use the search box on the upper right corner of this page to do some research instead of dismissed others who not always painted a good picture of Prince. If you use the search box, you would find a dozen of first account stories from associates and fans who saw Prince had anger and temper issues and at times was violent toward others or used his bodyguards to do his dirty work.

I am aware some people joined this site after his death and are acting brand new about Prince's anger and temper issues. It is exhausted sometimes debating with people who hadn't read even one Prince biography book filled with associates and exes telling good and bad stories about what they experience.

I understand that some of you are questioning Sinead O' Connor but she wasn't the only one who said Prince was abusive and mean.

In the meanwhile carry on.

SkipperLove said:

How does Prince kick someone in the chest? People have read those books and everyone knows about Brown stating that Prince kicked him. But they are both adult men. Its not right but it is not the end of the world. BTW, I believe mark was kicked.I just don't understand the 'chest' part.

ladygirl99 said:

It was a thread on here in the mid-00s (I had participated in it too) about people said Prince treated Brownmark wrong and they mentioned the kick and joked about he didn't had any lines in Purple Rain and how Prince constantly cussed him out on stage. It was a funny thread too. Good ole days at the org where it used to be freaky and fun. And also read 'A Pop Life' book because Brownmark even confirmed Prince kicked him in the chest several times to the drumset when he broke a string while he rehearsed.

So Prince's relationship with people was complicated. It is best for fans to read his biography books that were written when he was alive from associates who mentioned about Prince's temper. Some were dropping tea about Prince's anger issues.

Yeah I heard about Brownmark and Prince got close because of their JW faith and Prince did an interview when Prince was alive in the '10s, he said he kept in touch with Brownmark the most because of JW.

I also chatted with Brownmark in the past he is a cool dude.

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If you care to know then A Pop Life it tells more about what happened. And also use the search box on the upper right-hand corner to do research of countless stories about how abusive as was witnessed by associates and fans too and the posts were from pre-2016. I am not going to sit here and telling people information that can be found using the search box or reading the books.

Since you want proof about Prince having violent interaction and anger issues with others. It is up to you to research and read books with first-hand account from people who worked with him.

Otherwise I am done debating with you, too.

I have read about P's treatment of Mark Brown. I know he was a tempermental little shit sometimes. I just didn't remember the 'chest' part. I thought I read that he kicked him in the leg. Nice debating with you

SkipperLove said:

I have read about P's treatment of Mark Brown. I know he was a tempermental little shit sometimes. I just didn't remember the 'chest' part. I thought I read that he kicked him in the leg. Nice debating with you

Aw same here. Maybe I should stay my ass in the music it is less drama LOL.

ladygirl99 said: