ThatWhiteDude said:

ladygirl99 said:

I don't give a freak about Mayte's denial because she wasn't around during Wendy's time with Prince.

I am talking about Wendy. Wendy is very vocal about other things so I don't think she needed Mayte to speak on her behalf.

Yes, Sinead's claims about Wendy relates to this thread therefore that made Mayte responded that Prince wasn't a beater.

I think you missed my point. If Prince was as violent as other people claim, there's no way Mayte would've denied Sinead's claims and she didn't speak for Wendy, she said it in general. You said in your previous post that no one denied Sineads claims and that's not true. I was just responding to that.

And you know what, if what Sinead claimed was true, why doesn't Wendy at least tell the truth now?Wether it happened or not, she should speak up.

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Maybe because of fan backlash that is why. I already have angry bees attacked me on another thread when I back up a person who was objective but critical of Prince. So, if Wendy comes out with backup Sinead's claim the fans will go after her and wondered why she didn't speak out when he was alive and let him rest in peace, blah, blah, blah. Wendy lives her life off the radar pretty much outside of touring and music scoring so maybe she might not want unwanted attention if the claims from Sinead are true.

I think people are withholding Prince's negative traits because he is dead.

What I meant to say is Wendy is the one that didn't deny the claims and she always denied things in the past where there rumors about the Revolution reunion and plus she denied the rumor that it was her guitar solo at the beginning of When Doves Cry studio version.

I don't know ask Wendy, she and Lisa are on social media, along with Susannah. And also I heard they supposed to do a Q&A soon so maybe you can ask.

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ladygirl99 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I think you missed my point. If Prince was as violent as other people claim, there's no way Mayte would've denied Sinead's claims and she didn't speak for Wendy, she said it in general. You said in your previous post that no one denied Sineads claims and that's not true. I was just responding to that.

And you know what, if what Sinead claimed was true, why doesn't Wendy at least tell the truth now?Wether it happened or not, she should speak up.

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Maybe because of fan backlash that is why. I already have angry bees attacked me on another thread about some article as they didn't like it when I backed a writer who was critical of Prince but she was just telling her truth. So, if Wendy comes out with backup Sinead's claim the fans will go after her and wondered why she didn't speak out when he was alive and let him rest in peace, blah, blah, blah.

I think people are withholding Prince's negative traits because he is dead.

What I meant to say is Wendy is the one that didn't deny the claims and she always denied things in the past where there rumors about the Revolution reunion and plus she denied the rumor that it was her guitar solo at the beginning of When Doves Cry studio version.

I don't know ask Wendy, she and Lisa are on social media, along with Susannah. And also I heard they supposed to do a Q&A soon so maybe you can ask.

Okay, you actually have a point tho.

i am gonna allow male and female a handful shoves in their life. siblings are often rough with each other. so even if a person has displayed physical behavior a time or two it doesn't make them a beater. if someone doesn't want to out right deny the claim maybe it is because they were party

to it. wendy at this point can benefit far more by saying little or nothing, than setting the record

straight for Sinead. imo

ladygirl99 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I think you missed my point. If Prince was as violent as other people claim, there's no way Mayte would've denied Sinead's claims and she didn't speak for Wendy, she said it in general. You said in your previous post that no one denied Sineads claims and that's not true. I was just responding to that.

And you know what, if what Sinead claimed was true, why doesn't Wendy at least tell the truth now?Wether it happened or not, she should speak up.

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Maybe because of fan backlash that is why. I already have angry bees attacked me on another thread when I back up a person who was objective but critical of Prince. So, if Wendy comes out with backup Sinead's claim the fans will go after her and wondered why she didn't speak out when he was alive and let him rest in peace, blah, blah, blah. Wendy lives her life off the radar pretty much outside of touring and music scoring so maybe she might not want unwanted attention if the claims from Sinead are true.

I think people are withholding Prince's negative traits because he is dead.

What I meant to say is Wendy is the one that didn't deny the claims and she always denied things in the past where there rumors about the Revolution reunion and plus she denied the rumor that it was her guitar solo at the beginning of When Doves Cry studio version.

I don't know ask Wendy, she and Lisa are on social media, along with Susannah. And also I heard they supposed to do a Q&A soon so maybe you can ask.

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^^ sorry ladygirl99 already answered with the bold. it is worthless for wendy speak now. she

is doing revolution legacy building now, it would look foolish for her to try to build a legacy and tear

it down at the same time.

purplefam99 said:

i am gonna allow male and female a handful shoves in their life. siblings are often rough with each other. so even if a person has displayed physical behavior a time or two it doesn't make them a beater. if someone doesn't want to out right deny the claim maybe it is because they were party

to it. wendy at this point can benefit far more by saying little or nothing, than setting the record

straight for Sinead. imo

I don't agree with the first part tho and I'd also say that the comparising isn't working, these are kids we're talking about and they learn eventually that violence isn't okay. But Wendy and Prince were grown ups and if I remember correctly, they said Prince beat her up for a ridiculous reason. There's no excuse for beating someone up except if you have to defend yourself.

To the read, this thought crossed my mind too. I guess we'll never know what happened but if we'll hear that Prince was a women beater.....well then it's time for me to throw his music away, 'cause I don't support that.

purplefam99 said:

ladygirl99 said:

Maybe because of fan backlash that is why. I already have angry bees attacked me on another thread when I back up a person who was objective but critical of Prince. So, if Wendy comes out with backup Sinead's claim the fans will go after her and wondered why she didn't speak out when he was alive and let him rest in peace, blah, blah, blah. Wendy lives her life off the radar pretty much outside of touring and music scoring so maybe she might not want unwanted attention if the claims from Sinead are true.

I think people are withholding Prince's negative traits because he is dead.

What I meant to say is Wendy is the one that didn't deny the claims and she always denied things in the past where there rumors about the Revolution reunion and plus she denied the rumor that it was her guitar solo at the beginning of When Doves Cry studio version.

I don't know ask Wendy, she and Lisa are on social media, along with Susannah. And also I heard they supposed to do a Q&A soon so maybe you can ask.

[Edited 6/20/18 12:53pm]

^^ sorry ladygirl99 already answered with the bold. it is worthless for wendy speak now. she

is doing revolution legacy building now, it would look foolish for her to try to build a legacy and tear

it down at the same time.

I am all for Wendy (or anyone who had been abused by Prince) to still come out with their stories.

But yeah their credibility would be questioned too by his fanbots, and Wendy lives her life off the grid and I am a big fan of hers, and I hate to see her getting trash and the media coming after her too.

What are people most curious about Prince?

The question I get mainly is “What’s he like?” But it’s a huge question really. It really means, “What was it like to be friends with the person who changed my life?”

I try to be careful with my answer because our heroes can disappoint us. I don’t mean to be cryptic, but you have to be careful with Prince fans. They don’t want to hear anything that doesn’t match their picture.

https://billypenn.com/201...sic-legend

See this was the interview that I mentioned before when Wendy cryptic that was why she withhold a lot of bad experience with Prince because of the fans outcry.

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The Wendy story doesn't make logical sense. I am sorry; it just doesn't. If wendy didn't want the backlash, then explain why Sinead who has been badmouthing Prince for years didn't come out and talk about it years ago or any other ex-associates, ex-manager's, police at the scene, hospital officials, Wendy family members etc.. Certainly not all of them have a need to build off his reputation or build up his legacy--especially when he was alive.. Another thing, when did Wendy ever have that much time off of touring, recording etc to heal from a beating like that? Also, Sinead's constantly changing accounts of their one time meeting make it hard to believe anything other than maybe the original story she told in 1990 (which involved verbal threats and leaving her without a way home.) I realize it is insensitive to just discount mentally-ill folks' accounts of abuse, but we can't totally ignore her history with mental illness and inconsistent story telling either.

Do we know if Wendy even listened to the entirety of Sinead's account to the cops. For all we know, Wendy only knows about the other stuff she said (in regards to Sinead's interaction with P) and didn't hear her statement that P had beaten Wendy herself up. I imagine a recording like that would not high on her list of stuff to listen to where Prince was concerned.

This interview was from before the investigative reports were released publically in April and before Sinead's interview with the cops was released. It was a March interview. And she has been quiet since then i believe.

Also, nothing she said here indicates that he beat her up. She has talked about his mean side before. All she is saying is that now she treads more lightly in order to spare fans' feelings especially since his death is so fresh. But notice something, in the highlighted part. She is indirectly calling him her friend.

ladygirl99 said:

What are people most curious about Prince?

The question I get mainly is “What’s he like?” But it’s a huge question really. It really means, “What was it like to be friends with the person who changed my life?”

I try to be careful with my answer because our heroes can disappoint us. I don’t mean to be cryptic, but you have to be careful with Prince fans. They don’t want to hear anything that doesn’t match their picture.

https://billypenn.com/201...sic-legend

See this was the interview that I mentioned before when Wendy cryptic that was why she withhold a lot of bad experience with Prince because of the fans outcry.

[Edited 6/20/18 13:52pm]

It seems like folks want negative things to come out about prince. It's very sickening actually.

SkipperLove said:

This interview was from before the investigative reports were released publically in April and before Sinead's interview with the cops was released. It was a March interview. And she has been quiet since then i believe.

Also, nothing she said here indicates that he beat her up. She has talked about his mean side before. All she is saying is that now she treads more lightly in order to spare fans' feelings especially since his death is so fresh. But notice something, in the highlighted part. She is indirectly calling him her friend.

ladygirl99 said:

What are people most curious about Prince?

The question I get mainly is “What’s he like?” But it’s a huge question really. It really means, “What was it like to be friends with the person who changed my life?”

I try to be careful with my answer because our heroes can disappoint us. I don’t mean to be cryptic, but you have to be careful with Prince fans. They don’t want to hear anything that doesn’t match their picture.

https://billypenn.com/201...sic-legend

See this was the interview that I mentioned before when Wendy cryptic that was why she withhold a lot of bad experience with Prince because of the fans outcry.

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So what is your point? You can still be a friend to someone who might not always do good things. Or you can also forgive a friend too who treated you wrong. Or Wendy might be a bigger person and felt sorry for Prince or so.

People are complicated.

Read the comment again and read the thread. People were saying Sinead is a liar and I am on here saying that we don't know about our heroes beyond the public image they created to the fans.

Wendy said she was careful of talking about Prince as a person because of possible fan backlash if she comes out with her truth. I didn't say her comment was referring to Sinead's claim. I said throughout my posts, I used Wendy's comment as an example because too many people on here already denounced Sinead because like Wendy said, 'It doesn't match their picture.'

Sheesh I hate to respond to people who appear on threads later in the game not reading the entire thread.

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ladygirl99 said:

What are people most curious about Prince?

The question I get mainly is “What’s he like?” But it’s a huge question really. It really means, “What was it like to be friends with the person who changed my life?”

I try to be careful with my answer because our heroes can disappoint us. I don’t mean to be cryptic, but you have to be careful with Prince fans. They don’t want to hear anything that doesn’t match their picture.

https://billypenn.com/201...sic-legend

See this was the interview that I mentioned before when Wendy cryptic that was why she withhold a lot of bad experience with Prince because of the fans outcry.

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Yeah, but her statement could refer to anything. Right now, I doubt that what Sinead said really happened.

I get how you connected Sinead's account with Wendy's statement, but I don't think it necessarily has a direct link. There are too many other human flaws she could be referring to other than a history of woman beating. NOne of his fans on this site seem to sanctify him like you are claiming they are. As for us not knowing Prince, we also don't know Sinead O'Connor either. But we can determine that her accounts of Prince have changed back and forth through the years, that making one's pupils disappear and levitating items across a room is probably impossible, that Wendy taking a long period of time off work to heal is nowhere documented, that not everyone from his past cared about his legacy when he was alive, that nasty tell-all books sell (Lennon, james Brown were all outed as violent towards women), that Sinead was sued recently for claiming that Arsenio was P's drug dealer (a suite that he dropped when her family pleaded with him to do so due to her mental illness and after she agreed to take it back.). I am sorry but these things don't make her look like a credible witness. Garcia however is of sound mind and knew Prince (directly and intimately) the same year that Sinead briefly did. Also, Sinead never backed down or shut up due to outrage/backlash. She just added more and more to the story everytime, then took it back briefly and then just added more to the story. And Prince barely said a word in response. NOw one could argue that's because its true (or partially true) . But one could also argue that you can't rationally argue with "crazy". its like conspiracy theories. Someone gives scientific evidence to prove that chemtrails don't exist, and then the theorist states that the scientific evidence was rigged by government. Its an endless circle.

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SkipperLove said:

I get how you connected Sinead's account with Wendy's statement, but I don't think it necessarily has a direct link. There are too many other human flaws she could be referring to other than a history of woman beating. NOne of his fans on this site seem to sanctify him like you are claiming. As for us not knowing Prince, we also don't know Sinead O'Connor either. But we can determine that her accounts of Prince have changed back and forth through the years, that making one's pupils disappear and levitating items across a room is probably impossible, that Wendy taking a long period of time off work to heal is nowhere documented, that and Sinead was sued recently for claiming that Arsenio was P's drug dealer (a suite that he dropped when her family pleaded with him to do so due to her mental illness). I am sorry but these things don't make her look like a credible witness. Garcia however is of sound mind and knew Prince (directly and intimately) the same year that Sinead briefly did.

You are apparently new and I have been on this site since 1998 and yeah Prince is treated like a messiah on here so apparently, you missed out quite a bit over the last two years compared to the times when he was alive. Yet when Prince was alive, there was more criticism than praise as people thought Prince was a has-been and trashed his newer albums/songs and how he treated people around him, to the point I have to double check to make sure this was a fan site. That is why I am chucked at all over the top fanship in this place now. That is why it is very important to appreciate people more when they are alive too.

But yeah just because people see Prince's flaws that don't take away his talent. I just say good things about him through the music and his comic skills and fashion but I also refuse to be a fanbot and overlooked his flaws too just because he is dead.

But I agree that we need more credible people to come out but they might be afraid to because some still need Prince's fans for their money. So I am just going to leave the claim in open air.

Nobody is overlooking his flaws. There are very few posters who come off that way on here (maybe one who spiritualizes Prince a great deal) Prince had quite a few flaws but he had good sides too.. And I am not a new fan. this site was way too damn mean when he was alive so I stayed away from it. I liked seeing the more well-rounded, balanced accounts of him that have been happening since his death. It was fun reading them. But I don't see that as sanctification. Its like you are too used to him being described as evil incarnate or something to give the man some compassion beyond liking his music, fashion, looks and humor. That's fine. People can see things differently.

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SkipperLove said:

Nobody is overlooking his flaws. There are very few posters who come off that way on here (maybe one who spiritualizes Prince a great deal) Prince had quite a few flaws but he had good sides too.. And I am not a new fan. this site was way too damn mean when he was alive so I stayed away from it. I liked seeing the more well-rounded, balanced accounts of him that have been happening since his death. It was fun reading them. But I don't see that as sanctification. Its like you are too used to him being described as evil incarnate or something to give the man some compassion beyond liking his music, fashion, looks and humor. That's fine. People can see things differently.

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It is more than a few posters. Lets leave it at that.

But yeah that is good you are on the right track of willing to see Prince as a well-rounded. I try to keep my posts balance as I do go on music threads and give P props for his music and I also defended Prince too of how I believe the estate and some of his siblings treat him more like a money object than a human who once lived. But again I refuse to overlook his flaws because he is dead.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Condoning shoving and recognizing that it is a reality even among
Non violent people is more realistic in my view. I think it is a side to all our
Humanity as is jealousy, anger, fear. But I get why taking a zero tolerance policy
Is natural. How did you feel about his character as an actor beating on Apollonia in the movie? Were you still routing for him? Were you dancing at the end dispite his actions? We allowed room for the characters failures. We forgave the character. Art imitating life? We are all bad and good.
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ladygirl99 said:

It's not about looking at his flaws, everybody has flaws. Domestic violence is a serious crime and people are insinuating that prince abused women.

I don’t think Prince abused women physically. But the mental
Mind games maybe a different story. But they all loved him even
So. So I guess no harm no foul.

I am not seeing sanctification at all. Love at times sure. People defending him, sure. As for you not overlooking his flaws. Are you sure you are not consumed with his possible flaws a little bit? I don't understand getting upset about how his estate treats him now that he is gone, if other than musical talent, he was just a wife beater who sent people to the hospital, broke wrist, worshipped satan (O'connor's claim), kicked women in the head etc.

ladygirl99 said:

Well I wouldn’t necessarily question her credibility. I just don’t think
It would serve her purpose which seems to preserve the Revolution portion of the
Purple history. I think that move would taint her position. But I support
Anyone who has been abused by anyone speaking if that is what leads to their healing.

SkipperLove said:

The Wendy story doesn't make logical sense. I am sorry; it just doesn't. If wendy didn't want the backlash, then explain why Sinead who has been badmouthing Prince for years didn't come out and talk about it years ago or any other ex-associates, ex-manager's, police at the scene, hospital officials, Wendy family members etc.. Certainly not all of them have a need to build off his reputation or build up his legacy--especially when he was alive.. Another thing, when did Wendy ever have that much time off of touring, recording etc to heal from a beating like that? Also, Sinead's constantly changing accounts of their one time meeting make it hard to believe anything other than maybe the original story she told in 1990 (which involved verbal threats and leaving her without a way home.) I realize it is insensitive to just discount mentally-ill folks' accounts of abuse, but we can't totally ignore her history with mental illness and inconsistent story telling either.

Do we know if Wendy even listened to the entirety of Sinead's account to the cops. For all we know, Wendy only knows about the other stuff she said (in regards to Sinead's interaction with P) and didn't hear her statement that P had beaten Wendy herself up. I imagine a recording like that would not high on her list of stuff to listen to where Prince was concerned.

Sinead has talked about her fight with Prince for years.

PennyPurple said:

Yes it has been a legend/tall tale for ages.

Sinead, on Oprah, admitted to having bipolar disorder (and then later denied it but it sounds like her family confirmed her BP disorder) made me look up lying and bipolar disorder. Apparently, lying being a common trait for most human beings to some degree or another, is intensifed and exasperated a great deal by bipolar disorder..

https://www.bipolar-lives...lying.html

purplefam99 said:

PennyPurple said:

Sinead has talked about her fight with Prince for years.

Yes it has been a legend/tall tale for ages.

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purplefam99 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I don't agree with the first part tho and I'd also say that the comparising isn't working, these are kids we're talking about and they learn eventually that violence isn't okay. But Wendy and Prince were grown ups and if I remember correctly, they said Prince beat her up for a ridiculous reason. There's no excuse for beating someone up except if you have to defend yourself.

To the read, this thought crossed my mind too. I guess we'll never know what happened but if we'll hear that Prince was a women beater.....well then it's time for me to throw his music away, 'cause I don't support that.

Condoning shoving and recognizing that it is a reality even among Non violent people is more realistic in my view. I think it is a side to all our Humanity as is jealousy, anger, fear. But I get why taking a zero tolerance policy Is natural. How did you feel about his character as an actor beating on Apollonia in the movie? Were you still routing for him? Were you dancing at the end dispite his actions? We allowed room for the characters failures. We forgave the character. Art imitating life? We are all bad and good. [Edited 6/20/18 15:31pm]

I think that Prince slapping Apollonia in PR was unnecessary, I can't say that I still rooted for The Kid, I mean Apollonia tells him she's working with Morris and he slaps her for that and then in the end when he gets what he wants, he acts like nothing happened. They kiss as if there's nothing to talk about. I think they should've left the scene out of the movie, it just leaves a bad taste and yes it was a movie, but sometimes I think, a movie can be a statement to some degree. And when I see scenes like that in a movie, scene that wouldn't have been missing at all, I can't help but think: Is that actually how they see it should work? You know, Apollonia acts out (at least that's Prince's impression in the movie) and that justifys the slap?

But we're talking about real life here not a movie and if he really beat up Wendy then I'm sorry, but that's just fucked up. I grew up in a rather violent environment and I know that people beat you up for ridiculous reasons and I personally can't stand such behaviour because I know how it feels to be at the recieving end. However, like I said before, right now I really doubt that Sineads claims are true or that she makes it look worse than it probably was. But it's a tricky situation and if the associates know something they should talk about it. But we all know that they won't do it, just like they stay silent about his pill addiction.

I think as long as Wendy isn't asked (if she even knows all the claims in that interview) , she probably won't even acknowledge what O'Connor said. . Keep in mind. Sinead is ill. To call it a lie, one would have to defend that contention by claiming that Sinead is either a liar or crazy. Also, i believe that maybe they (wendy and susannah) sympathize with Sinead becasue Prince probably wasn't nice to her (verbally or mentally) when they met and because their musical and social circles overlapped with Sinead's. Mayte has nothing to lose by claiming she is lying. By the way, P's old manager of 7 years also called out Sinead on her facebook.

ThatWhiteDude said:

purplefam99 said:

ThatWhiteDude said: Condoning shoving and recognizing that it is a reality even among Non violent people is more realistic in my view. I think it is a side to all our Humanity as is jealousy, anger, fear. But I get why taking a zero tolerance policy Is natural. How did you feel about his character as an actor beating on Apollonia in the movie? Were you still routing for him? Were you dancing at the end dispite his actions? We allowed room for the characters failures. We forgave the character. Art imitating life? We are all bad and good. [Edited 6/20/18 15:31pm]

I think that Prince slapping Apollonia in PR was unnecessary, I can't say that I still rooted for The Kid, I mean Apollonia tells him she's working with Morris and he slaps her for that and then in the end when he gets what he wants, he acts like nothing happened. They kiss as if there's nothing to talk about. I think they should've left the scene out of the movie, it just leaves a bad taste and yes it was a movie, but sometimes I think, a movie can be a statement to some degree. And when I see scenes like that in a movie, scene that wouldn't have been missing at all, I can't help but think: Is that actually how they see it should work? You know, Apollonia acts out (at least that's Prince's impression in the movie) and that justifys the slap?

But we're talking about real life here not a movie and if he really beat up Wendy then I'm sorry, but that's just fucked up. I grew up in a rather violent environment and I know that people beat you up for ridiculous reasons and I personally can't stand such behaviour because I know how it feels to be at the recieving end. However, like I said before, right now I really doubt that Sineads claims are true or that she makes it look worse than it probably was. But it's a tricky situation and if the associates know something they should talk about it. But we all know that they won't do it, just like they stay silent about his pill addiction.

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The Kid in Purple Rain is only sympathetic when he is singing and in his scenes with his dad. Otherwise, I find the character irritating. I agree that Apollonia and the Kid's relationship does't work. I don't think it says all that much about P's personal life (his dad didn't beat him, his mom wasn't white, his parents were not living together when he was an adult, Wendy and Lisa did not bring Purple Rain into him, .the only real parts are his dad's attitude about music and P being in competition with the Time [well more like flynt time]/ . The director and/or screenwriter seemed to want him more demonized and then punished by a beating from his dad. I don't know if maybe the film was trying to state that violence is wrong but forgivable when we stop the violent cycles inherited from our fathers. But the film doesn't make a complex or compelling enough case for it. I like UTCM better.

ThatWhiteDude said:

purplefam99 said:

ThatWhiteDude said: Condoning shoving and recognizing that it is a reality even among Non violent people is more realistic in my view. I think it is a side to all our Humanity as is jealousy, anger, fear. But I get why taking a zero tolerance policy Is natural. How did you feel about his character as an actor beating on Apollonia in the movie? Were you still routing for him? Were you dancing at the end dispite his actions? We allowed room for the characters failures. We forgave the character. Art imitating life? We are all bad and good. [Edited 6/20/18 15:31pm]

I think that Prince slapping Apollonia in PR was unnecessary, I can't say that I still rooted for The Kid, I mean Apollonia tells him she's working with Morris and he slaps her for that and then in the end when he gets what he wants, he acts like nothing happened. They kiss as if there's nothing to talk about. I think they should've left the scene out of the movie, it just leaves a bad taste and yes it was a movie, but sometimes I think, a movie can be a statement to some degree. And when I see scenes like that in a movie, scene that wouldn't have been missing at all, I can't help but think: Is that actually how they see it should work? You know, Apollonia acts out (at least that's Prince's impression in the movie) and that justifys the slap?

But we're talking about real life here not a movie and if he really beat up Wendy then I'm sorry, but that's just fucked up. I grew up in a rather violent environment and I know that people beat you up for ridiculous reasons and I personally can't stand such behaviour because I know how it feels to be at the recieving end. However, like I said before, right now I really doubt that Sineads claims are true or that she makes it look worse than it probably was. But it's a tricky situation and if the associates know something they should talk about it. But we all know that they won't do it, just like they stay silent about his pill addiction.

Vanity/Denise's, brother in law posts on this forum sometimes. When Denise died she left him a box of things and in the box was some journals/notes type of things. Toban is an awesome fellow and poet.

Here is a snippet of Toban's that he shared with us. Make of it, what you will, but it does lend some credit to Prince maybe being abusive.

Toban:

Denise has written in her unpublished books and in early outlines noting many things she was going to write about, most of which never made it into any of her books. The notes seem to be deliberately cryptic, such as “Handcuff Jesse in shower” and statements like (not quoting word for word) Someone beaten black and blue for calling him a pimp, Jill getting kicked in the head with the heel of his boot, Louis pulling a gun on him.

This is 35 years ago, what if Denise is not clear on something that is hearsay, I can’t confirm it, so you might understand my reluctance say anything.

Who would believe that they continued to see each other romantically up until 1989 or 1990. It’s just something I knew, I knew/assumed everyone on the Org knew and never thought further about it.

I think, maybe, prince did some extreme mind games with Sinead and it backfired. Sinead is a tough woman in many ways and also bipolar. Those two should have never met.

purplefam99 said:

I don’t think Prince abused women physically. But the mental Mind games maybe a different story. But they all loved him even So. So I guess no harm no foul.

Maybe, but they also could be rumors, misunderstandings, accidents, hearsay, practical jokes, adult male fighting. Who knows. Who is Louis?

PennyPurple said:

Vanity/Denise's, brother in law posts on this forum sometimes. When Denise died she left him a box of things and in the box was some journals/notes type of things. Toban is an awesome fellow and poet.

Here is a snippet of Toban's that he shared with us. Make of it, what you will, but it does lend some credit to Prince maybe being abusive.

Toban:

Denise has written in her unpublished books and in early outlines noting many things she was going to write about, most of which never made it into any of her books. The notes seem to be deliberately cryptic, such as “Handcuff Jesse in shower” and statements like (not quoting word for word) Someone beaten black and blue for calling him a pimp, Jill getting kicked in the head with the heel of his boot, Louis pulling a gun on him.

This is 35 years ago, what if Denise is not clear on something that is hearsay, I can’t confirm it, so you might understand my reluctance say anything.

Who would believe that they continued to see each other romantically up until 1989 or 1990. It’s just something I knew, I knew/assumed everyone on the Org knew and never thought further about it.

[Edited 6/20/18 18:10pm]

[Edited 6/20/18 18:12pm]