206Michelle said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

He looked amazing in 2011 and 12! I think he looked great during the summer tour in Europe with 3rd Eye Girl in 2013 as well.Crystal Zehtener who worked for him from 2010-13 said in her phone interview that there was a time that he was off the drugs and didn't drink.She did say that he was in extreme pain and that he had mood swings.She said she quit working for him because he started using again and she didn't want to contribute to that because she cared too much about him.She also said that everyone around him knew that he was using the drugs.It could be that he was off of them while Andy was around.

Joshua and Hannah Welton stated that they didn't know he was using painkillers. Judith Hill didn't know either. I believe all three of them. I don't believe all of his associates though. However, I feel that he got to be good at hiding what he was doing.

I haven't gotten to Josh & Hannah's interviews.Crystal said that everyone around him knew but she may have been talking about the people when she was around.She was very knowledgeable about the situation.I do wonder if Andy was aware of his problem.After she left for a while in 2013,she said in an interview that she was relating to the song Long Gone because sometimes you love someone but it hurts too much to stay and you have to get out of the situation.Now I wonder if she may have been referring to his problem with drugs.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

He looked amazing in 2011 and 12! I think he looked great during the summer tour in Europe with 3rd Eye Girl in 2013 as well.Crystal Zehtener who worked for him from 2010-13 said in her phone interview that there was a time that he was off the drugs and didn't drink.She did say that he was in extreme pain and that he had mood swings.She said she quit working for him because he started using again and she didn't want to contribute to that because she cared too much about him.She also said that everyone around him knew that he was using the drugs.It could be that he was off of them while Andy was around.

Prince was in the TIP TOP shape of his life on the 'Welcome To America' tour. I'll NEVER forget seeing him at several shows on the 21 night stand in Los Angeles at The Forum in 2011. He was the last artist to play at The Forum before they redid & renovated it(with the help of his donations from that residency there). I was just in AWE at how good of shape he was in. His arms was like guns. He also had six pack abs! But just a couple of years later he started losing his muscle tone. I never at the time understood why.

I know exactly what you mean. I, too, have been trying to make sense of his rapid decline, beginning around mid-2014. Here are a couple of photos of him in Copenhagen, August 6-7, 2011. The man was looking exquisitely good. He had this rugged look going on...and he had GUNS. And, he was ROCKING the do-rag like nobody's business. Whew. Let me stop. Let me just end by saying that Miss Andy was BLESSED. She must have been on .

FlyOnTheWall said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Prince was in the TIP TOP shape of his life on the 'Welcome To America' tour. I'll NEVER forget seeing him at several shows on the 21 night stand in Los Angeles at The Forum in 2011. He was the last artist to play at The Forum before they redid & renovated it(with the help of his donations from that residency there). I was just in AWE at how good of shape he was in. His arms was like guns. He also had six pack abs! But just a couple of years later he started losing his muscle tone. I never at the time understood why.

I know exactly what you mean. I, too, have been trying to make sense of his rapid decline, beginning around mid-2014. Here are a couple of photos of him in Copenhagen, August 6-7, 2011. The man was looking exquisitely good. He had this rugged look going on...and he had GUNS. And, he was ROCKING the do-rag like nobody's business. Whew. Let me stop. Let me just end by saying that Miss Andy was BLESSED. She must have been on .

He looked so good summer 2011 and I can see why Andy found him sexy and attractive as well. Thanks for sharing those Fly!

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I know exactly what you mean. I, too, have been trying to make sense of his rapid decline, beginning around mid-2014. Here are a couple of photos of him in Copenhagen, August 6-7, 2011. The man was looking exquisitely good. He had this rugged look going on...and he had GUNS. And, he was ROCKING the do-rag like nobody's business. Whew. Let me stop. Let me just end by saying that Miss Andy was BLESSED. She must have been on .

He looked so good summer 2011 and I can see why Andy found him sexy and attractive as well. Thanks for sharing those Fly!

My pleasure, pink!! BTW, He also looked rapturously happy...and relaxed. Here's another one.

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

He looked so good summer 2011 and I can see why Andy found him sexy and attractive as well. Thanks for sharing those Fly!

My pleasure, pink!! BTW, He also looked rapturously happy...and relaxed. Here's another one.

I love seeing him like that! Thanks!

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

He looked so good summer 2011 and I can see why Andy found him sexy and attractive as well. Thanks for sharing those Fly!

My pleasure, pink!! BTW, He also looked rapturously happy...and relaxed. Here's another one.

Whatever anyone here may say about LG. I know he's well hated here. But their relationship did make Prince VERY happy for a LONG time. More than any of his women did.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

My pleasure, pink!! BTW, He also looked rapturously happy...and relaxed. Here's another one.

Whatever anyone here may say about LG. I know he's well hated here. But their relationship did make Prince VERY happy for a LONG time. More than any of his women did.

Agreed...but it is important to note that this screenshot was taken from a video shot in Copenhagen, where Andy and Prince seemed to be very much in love. Both of them were glowing. But, you're right: P LOVED him some Larry Graham.

FlyOnTheWall said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Whatever anyone here may say about LG. I know he's well hated here. But their relationship did make Prince VERY happy for a LONG time. More than any of his women did.

Agreed...but it is important to note that this screenshot was taken from a video shot in Copenhagen, where Andy and Prince seemed to be very much in love. Both of them were glowing. But, you're right: P LOVED him some Larry Graham.

I enjoyed watching Prince and Larry onstage together and I think they vibed well off each other.I loved when they would have bass battles. The Copenhagen show was fantastic and Prince and Andy did share quite a few nice moments.I especially loved their mashup of Waiting In Vain and Crimson & Clover! He made some really cute faces at her during his guitar solo and was acting like a kid. It was fun to watch!

I knew Prince & Andy was in love when I attended(through divine intervention) their appearances on the "Jimmy Kimmel Show" in October 2012.

Prince(who looked bloated but still healthy looking) made sure Andy was set at a special place onstage and gave her his guitar to play. He couldn't keep his eyes off of her. The soundcheck was WAY better than the actual show. Prince also made sure that Andy had her own segment to perform songs from her fourthcoming "SuperConductor" album. With a band that was later added to Prince's NEW NPG BAND line up. With a new reformed horn section. It was their debut and they was FUNKY!

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I knew Prince & Andy was in love when I attended(through divine intervention) their appearances on the "Jimmy Kimmel Show" in October 2012.

Prince(who looked bloated but still healthy looking) made sure Andy was set at a special place onstage and gave her his guitar to play. He couldn't keep his eyes off of her. The soundcheck was WAY better than the actual show. Prince also made sure that Andy had her own segment to perform songs from her fourthcoming "SuperConductor" album. With a band that was later added to Prince's NEW NPG BAND line up. With a new reformed horn section. It was their debut and they was FUNKY!

Thanks for sharing that.You were very blessed to see his appearance on Jimmy Kimmel and Arsenio! I thought he looked great that night and very healthy too.I recently saw the unaired after show and noticed that Prince had some sound difficulties with his guitar during Take Me With You and had Andy sing while he tried to correct the problem.I believe Dr Funk said that she and the band played If I Was King for her segment but it never aired. I remember that they both played at Sayers Club after.

pinkcashmere23 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I knew Prince & Andy was in love when I attended(through divine intervention) their appearances on the "Jimmy Kimmel Show" in October 2012.

Prince(who looked bloated but still healthy looking) made sure Andy was set at a special place onstage and gave her his guitar to play. He couldn't keep his eyes off of her. The soundcheck was WAY better than the actual show. Prince also made sure that Andy had her own segment to perform songs from her fourthcoming "SuperConductor" album. With a band that was later added to Prince's NEW NPG BAND line up. With a new reformed horn section. It was their debut and they was FUNKY!

Thanks for sharing that.You were very blessed to see his appearance on Jimmy Kimmel and Arsenio! I thought he looked great that night and very healthy too.I recently saw the unaired after show and noticed that Prince had some sound difficulties with his guitar during Take Me With You and had Andy sing while he tried to correct the problem.I believe Dr Funk said that she and the band played If I Was King for her segment but it never aired. I remember that they both played at Sayers Club after.

Yes! I remember that issue he had with the sound. Yes! Andy & The new reformed NPG did play 'If I Was King' and another song. If I'm not mistaken I think Kirk was on the skins. I personally didn't feel like Andy fit as lead of that funky new NPG band on that segment. She was WAY in over her head with them. But it was very well rehearsed with Prince's obvious influence. Her later solo acoustic tour fit her style much better. She comes off more as a folk singer to me.

pinkcashmere23 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I knew Prince & Andy was in love when I attended(through divine intervention) their appearances on the "Jimmy Kimmel Show" in October 2012.

Prince(who looked bloated but still healthy looking) made sure Andy was set at a special place onstage and gave her his guitar to play. He couldn't keep his eyes off of her. The soundcheck was WAY better than the actual show. Prince also made sure that Andy had her own segment to perform songs from her fourthcoming "SuperConductor" album. With a band that was later added to Prince's NEW NPG BAND line up. With a new reformed horn section. It was their debut and they was FUNKY!

Thanks for sharing that.You were very blessed to see his appearance on Jimmy Kimmel and Arsenio! I thought he looked great that night and very healthy too.I recently saw the unaired after show and noticed that Prince had some sound difficulties with his guitar during Take Me With You and had Andy sing while he tried to correct the problem.I believe Dr Funk said that she and the band played If I Was King for her segment but it never aired. I remember that they both played at Sayers Club after.

I remember someone else on the Org commenting, at the time, that "Prince never took his eyes off Andy" on the Jimmy Kimmel set. If I'm not mistaken, pink, these Bossip paparazzi shots were taken as they were leaving the Sayers Club on the night of October 24, 2012. Their Jimmy Kimmel Live performance was earlier.

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Thanks for sharing that.You were very blessed to see his appearance on Jimmy Kimmel and Arsenio! I thought he looked great that night and very healthy too.I recently saw the unaired after show and noticed that Prince had some sound difficulties with his guitar during Take Me With You and had Andy sing while he tried to correct the problem.I believe Dr Funk said that she and the band played If I Was King for her segment but it never aired. I remember that they both played at Sayers Club after.

I remember someone else on the Org commenting, at the time, that "Prince never took his eyes off Andy" on the Jimmy Kimmel set. If I'm not mistaken, pink, these Bossip paparazzi shots were taken as they were leaving the Sayers Club on the night of October 24, 2012. Their Jimmy Kimmel Live performance was earlier.

Andre Cymone(whom I'm a big supporter of and was virtually ignored by the Prince community before Prince transitioned). reunited on stage with Prince that night at The Sayers Club(which is a very relaxed,small classy club). I think that's why Prince brought out the cut "Dance Electric" on Kimmel earlier that day.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Thanks for sharing that.You were very blessed to see his appearance on Jimmy Kimmel and Arsenio! I thought he looked great that night and very healthy too.I recently saw the unaired after show and noticed that Prince had some sound difficulties with his guitar during Take Me With You and had Andy sing while he tried to correct the problem.I believe Dr Funk said that she and the band played If I Was King for her segment but it never aired. I remember that they both played at Sayers Club after.

I remember someone else on the Org commenting, at the time, that "Prince never took his eyes off Andy" on the Jimmy Kimmel set. If I'm not mistaken, pink, these Bossip paparazzi shots were taken as they were leaving the Sayers Club on the night of October 24, 2012. Their Jimmy Kimmel Live performance was earlier.

Yes,I remember those being posted here and Bossip thought that Andy was Esperanza Spalding.That must be the hoodie that Dr F said Andy was "clowning" Prince for wearing at the Sayers Club and he said they were play fighting about.

pinkcashmere23 said:

206Michelle said:

Joshua and Hannah Welton stated that they didn't know he was using painkillers. Judith Hill didn't know either. I believe all three of them. I don't believe all of his associates though. However, I feel that he got to be good at hiding what he was doing.

I haven't gotten to Josh & Hannah's interviews.Crystal said that everyone around him knew but she may have been talking about the people when she was around.She was very knowledgeable about the situation.I do wonder if Andy was aware of his problem.After she left for a while in 2013,she said in an interview that she was relating to the song Long Gone because sometimes you love someone but it hurts too much to stay and you have to get out of the situation.Now I wonder if she may have been referring to his problem with drugs.

I'm guessing that is probably what happened. I am only going to assume that was what happened with Manuela as well.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I remember someone else on the Org commenting, at the time, that "Prince never took his eyes off Andy" on the Jimmy Kimmel set. If I'm not mistaken, pink, these Bossip paparazzi shots were taken as they were leaving the Sayers Club on the night of October 24, 2012. Their Jimmy Kimmel Live performance was earlier.

Andre Cymone reunited on stage with Prince that night at The Sayers Club(which is a very relaxed,small classy club). I think that's why Prince brought out the cut "Dance Electric" on Kimmel earlier that day.

Most likely! Adrian Crutchfield talked about the show and Andre being there on a Dr Funk Podcast.Did you attend this show as well?

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I haven't gotten to Josh & Hannah's interviews.Crystal said that everyone around him knew but she may have been talking about the people when she was around.She was very knowledgeable about the situation.I do wonder if Andy was aware of his problem.After she left for a while in 2013,she said in an interview that she was relating to the song Long Gone because sometimes you love someone but it hurts too much to stay and you have to get out of the situation.Now I wonder if she may have been referring to his problem with drugs.

I'm guessing that is probably what happened. I am only going to assume that was what happened with Manuela as well.

After hearing Crystal's interview I'm thinking that as well.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Thanks for sharing that.You were very blessed to see his appearance on Jimmy Kimmel and Arsenio! I thought he looked great that night and very healthy too.I recently saw the unaired after show and noticed that Prince had some sound difficulties with his guitar during Take Me With You and had Andy sing while he tried to correct the problem.I believe Dr Funk said that she and the band played If I Was King for her segment but it never aired. I remember that they both played at Sayers Club after.

Yes! I remember that issue he had with the sound. Yes! Andy & The new reformed NPG did play 'If I Was King' and another song. If I'm not mistaken I think Kirk was on the skins. I personally didn't feel like Andy fit as lead of that funky new NPG band on that segment. She was WAY in over her head with them. But it was very well rehearsed with Prince's obvious influence. Her later solo acoustic tour fit her style much better. She comes off more as a folk singer to me.

They did People Pleaser with Maceo and Trombone Shorty. Didn't know Kirk was on drums for the performance. I thought her performance of People Pleaser was cute but I agree that she was not suited to funk.She said in an interview last year that Prince told her that and that he encouraged her to go back to her acoustic style.She said that he told her that was who she really was and though she didn't want to hear it back then,she eventually realized that he was right.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Krystalkisses said:

I'm guessing that is probably what happened. I am only going to assume that was what happened with Manuela as well.

After hearing Crystal's interview I'm thinking that as well.

Yes. I wish fans would be a little bit more understanding with Manuela. She seems like a cool person and I love what she does for children. It seems like she wanted a family and to become a mother VERY badly and I do believe her and Prince were trying to start a family. However, if his addiction to painkillers was growing that must have been heartbreaking for her to make some tough decisions for HER life. I think her love/friendship with Prince was genunine and she was a good influence on him. I have a lot of respect for her that she put the needs over her potential, future children over any other decision she could have made, watching her husband's usage getting worse.

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Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

After hearing Crystal's interview I'm thinking that as well.

Yes. I wish fans would be a little bit more understanding with Manuela. She seems like a cool person and I love what she does for children. It seems like she wanted a family and to become a mother VERY badly and I do believe her and Prince were trying to start a family. However, if his addiction to painkillers was growing that must have been heartbreaking for her to make some tough decisions for HER life. I think her love/friendship with Prince was genunine and she was a good influence on him. I have a lot of respect for her that she put the needs over her potential, future children over any other decision she could have made, watching her husband's usage getting worse.

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I agree. I like Mani as well and I liked she and Prince together.I'm seeing things differently, now that I have more of an understanding of what was going on with Prince and what those who were close to him were possibly dealing with.

Krystalkisses said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

After hearing Crystal's interview I'm thinking that as well.

Yes. I wish fans would be a little bit more understanding with Manuela. She seems like a cool person and I love what she does for children. It seems like she wanted a family and to become a mother VERY badly and I do believe her and Prince were trying to start a family. However, if his addiction to painkillers was growing that must have been heartbreaking for her to make some tough decisions for HER life. I think her love/friendship with Prince was genunine and she was a good influence on him. I have a lot of respect for her that she put the needs over her potential, future children over any other decision she could have made, watching her husband's usage getting worse.

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I don't want to see this thread derailed with a debate about Mani; however, I will say that I think there are many sides to Mani...and, I daresay, not all of them are nice.

Still, I hasten to add that I loved his look when he was with her. The suits were a good, "grown-man" look for him. Musicology also occurred during their marriage, so we know that at least one good thing came out of it. Now, that said, I hope that can be the end of the M2 detour on this thread, for as I said, I don't want it to veer off the rails. Peace.

pinkcashmere23 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Yes! I remember that issue he had with the sound. Yes! Andy & The new reformed NPG did play 'If I Was King' and another song. If I'm not mistaken I think Kirk was on the skins. I personally didn't feel like Andy fit as lead of that funky new NPG band on that segment. She was WAY in over her head with them. But it was very well rehearsed with Prince's obvious influence. Her later solo acoustic tour fit her style much better. She comes off more as a folk singer to me.

They did People Pleaser with Maceo and Trombone Shorty. Didn't know Kirk was on drums for the performance. I thought her performance of People Pleaser was cute but I agree that she was not suited to funk.She said in an interview last year that Prince told her that and that he encouraged her to go back to her acoustic style.She said that he told her that was who she really was and though she didn't want to hear it back then,she eventually realized that he was right.

Yes he was right! Plus her role was later replaced by his next "Muse" JH. Who fit that lead perfectly.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

They did People Pleaser with Maceo and Trombone Shorty. Didn't know Kirk was on drums for the performance. I thought her performance of People Pleaser was cute but I agree that she was not suited to funk.She said in an interview last year that Prince told her that and that he encouraged her to go back to her acoustic style.She said that he told her that was who she really was and though she didn't want to hear it back then,she eventually realized that he was right.

Yes he was right! Plus her role was later replaced by his next "Muse" JH. Who fit that lead perfectly.

Yep! I did like Andy with the band she had last year though.They had a nice jazz/neo soul vibe.Horns tend to drown out her vocals.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

They did People Pleaser with Maceo and Trombone Shorty. Didn't know Kirk was on drums for the performance. I thought her performance of People Pleaser was cute but I agree that she was not suited to funk.She said in an interview last year that Prince told her that and that he encouraged her to go back to her acoustic style.She said that he told her that was who she really was and though she didn't want to hear it back then,she eventually realized that he was right.

Yes he was right! Plus her role was later replaced by his next "Muse" JH. Who fit that lead perfectly.

I've not seen any footage of JH performing with Prince and the NPG. I'd love to see any that exists. Do you happen to have any links?

FlyOnTheWall said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Yes he was right! Plus her role was later replaced by his next "Muse" JH. Who fit that lead perfectly.

I've not seen any footage of JH performing with Prince and the NPG. I'd love to see any that exists. Do you happen to have any links?

She performed Green Garden by Laura Mvula with him at the Fox Theatre in Detroit.I believe that she also performed in Louisville.I haven't seen any footage though. She also performed with him some at Paisley Park.

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I've not seen any footage of JH performing with Prince and the NPG. I'd love to see any that exists. Do you happen to have any links?

She performed Green Garden by Laura Mvula with him at the Fox Theatre in Detroit.I believe that she also performed in Louisville.I haven't seen any footage though. She also performed with him some at Paisley Park.

Thanks, pink!!

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

She performed Green Garden by Laura Mvula with him at the Fox Theatre in Detroit.I believe that she also performed in Louisville.I haven't seen any footage though. She also performed with him some at Paisley Park.

Thanks, pink!!

You're welcome! She isn't listed as a performer in Louisville but she did perform with him in Baltimore and in Washington DC.

pinkcashmere23 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Thanks, pink!!

You're welcome! She isn't listed as a performer in Louisville but she did perform with him in Baltimore and in Washington DC.

Do you mean JH performed at the benefit concert for Freddie Gray?

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

You're welcome! She isn't listed as a performer in Louisville but she did perform with him in Baltimore and in Washington DC.

Do you mean JH performed at the benefit concert for Freddie Gray?

Yes.That is the only performance in Baltimore in 2015 listed on Prince Vault. I knew that Eryn Allen Kayne performed but I didn't know that Judith did as well.She sang As Trains Go By. I thought her rendition of Green Garden was great in Detroit and Prince sang a bit of You're The One at the end.

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