benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Wow, benni, I'm taken aback by your "silliness" and "ridiculous" remarks. I didn't expect that from you. At any rate, please point out, with quotes, where anyone said on this thread, or otherwise, that Prince "only got interested [in the subject of lineage] when he met Andy." And, again, who said that Prince was "studying this subject up until 2016 with hopes of going back and marrying Andy?" It's amazing how many Orgers come up with these broad conclusions based on much more limited premises. Lastly, thanks for sharing "what it looks like" to you; however, I have a different view, which is often the case when you have two thinking people considering the same set of facts. In this instance, I hope we can respectfully agree to disagree.

LBrent wrote:
Yeah, I think P was tryna find a loophole to possibly marry AA that wouldn't compromise his JW beliefs...Sorta the way he tried to get out of his marraige to M1 by indicating their marraige had been "annulled" when in fact there were no legal grounds for an annullment and an annullment was never gotten, M1 eventually got a divorce...

Fly wrote:

With regard to the notes he made on the Intercontinental letterhead, it is significant because it gives us insight into his thinking at the time. Sure, we know that he studied religion and philosophy, but some of us think it is significant that he was researching marriage and lineage during the same time that Andy wrote her now-famous love letter to Prince...and he even wrote "endogamy," which has to do with marriage between persons within the same culture or religion...and which is practiced by Jehovah's Witnesses.

So, you might think it irrelevant that while Andy was professing her love for P in writing... he seemed to have endogamy, a form of marriage, on his mind...and, if I'm not mistaken, he wrote it on the same Intercontinental paper on which she wrote her letter.

Pink wrote:

The point was he appeared to still be pursuing her.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Thanks for the clarification, benni; however, as I pointed out to you, your "silliness" and "ridiculous" comments were directed toward claims that just don't exist. This is what is called a "straw man" argument in rhetoric studies. Be that as it may, no worries. I hope that point is now clear to you.



Again, the above comments does not exclude that the idea has not been circulated. Especially your quote: "some of us think it is significant that he was researching marriage and lineage during the same time that Andy wrote her now-famous love letter to Prince...and he even wrote "endogamy," which has to do with marriage between persons within the same culture or religion...and which is practiced by Jehovah's Witnesses. So, you might think it irrelevant that while Andy was professing her love for P in writing... he seemed to have endogamy, a form of marriage, on his mind...and, if I'm not mistaken, he wrote it on the same Intercontinental paper on which she wrote her letter."

This quote in particular sounds as if you are saying that Prince was researching these subjects only because of Andy and thinking about marriage to her.

Edited to add:

Regarding the second argument, of Prince studying the subject up until his passing, I was using that as an example to show that if it is true that Prince was studying about marriage and lineage because of Andy when they were together, then it would not make sense for him to continue to study the subject of lineage and marriage after he and Andy were no longer together. I was not taking your words and twisting them, I was trying to explain that if what you are implying with your above quote is true, then where is the sense in him continuing to study those subjects IF the object of his original desire in studying those topics, is no longer a part of his life?

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pinkcashmere23 said:

benni said:

Hey Fly, the silliness comment was directed at the idea that Prince only got interested in lineage after meeting Andy. The ridiculous comment was in regards to an idea that Prince was continued to study this subject up towards his passing and any idea that someone might hold that it was to go back and marry Andy. My point was simply that if he had originally been studying this subject when he was with Andy, thinking of marriage to her, then he would not have continued to study this subject well into 2016, after he and Andy were no longer an item.

Prince has always been interested in lineage, especially as it relates to African Americans. I highly doubt that he simply started studying this subject because he and Andy were together and he was thinking of marrying her, as has been implied in this thread.

Back in the Love4OneAnother days, he wrote about names and their importance:

http://princeonlinemuseum.../rose.html

But as you can see from the old website, Prince has always studied very deep subjects, and pondered interesting questions, so I can imagine him studying many different subjects related lineage and marriages, especially since it seems towards the end of his life he became more introspective related to his own personal family. Such as dedicating the P&M concerts to his dad, as stated in the P&M tour books, and talking about memories from long ago.

I believe that since he had also written down "Naga Kingdom"that he was more than likely studying the Naga tribe of Ancient India.The other words he wrote down "Matrilenial","Honey Used As Gold and Entheogens seemed to be connected.

I agree Pink. I think it is very possible that he was. Fascinating subjects to study, regardless.

FlyOnTheWall said:

BTW, I don’t have a “mean spirit”.
But you...
You’re always projecting who you are onto others.
Read what you wrote above again, this time considering it might be you you are talking about.
I am NOT you.

benni said:

benni said:

LBrent wrote:
Yeah, I think P was tryna find a loophole to possibly marry AA that wouldn't compromise his JW beliefs...Sorta the way he tried to get out of his marraige to M1 by indicating their marraige had been "annulled" when in fact there were no legal grounds for an annullment and an annullment was never gotten, M1 eventually got a divorce...

Fly wrote:

With regard to the notes he made on the Intercontinental letterhead, it is significant because it gives us insight into his thinking at the time. Sure, we know that he studied religion and philosophy, but some of us think it is significant that he was researching marriage and lineage during the same time that Andy wrote her now-famous love letter to Prince...and he even wrote "endogamy," which has to do with marriage between persons within the same culture or religion...and which is practiced by Jehovah's Witnesses.

So, you might think it irrelevant that while Andy was professing her love for P in writing... he seemed to have endogamy, a form of marriage, on his mind...and, if I'm not mistaken, he wrote it on the same Intercontinental paper on which she wrote her letter.

Pink wrote:

The point was he appeared to still be pursuing her.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Thanks for the clarification, benni; however, as I pointed out to you, your "silliness" and "ridiculous" comments were directed toward claims that just don't exist. This is what is called a "straw man" argument in rhetoric studies. Be that as it may, no worries. I hope that point is now clear to you.



Again, the above comments does not exclude that the idea has not been circulated. Especially your quote: "some of us think it is significant that he was researching marriage and lineage during the same time that Andy wrote her now-famous love letter to Prince...and he even wrote "endogamy," which has to do with marriage between persons within the same culture or religion...and which is practiced by Jehovah's Witnesses. So, you might think it irrelevant that while Andy was professing her love for P in writing... he seemed to have endogamy, a form of marriage, on his mind...and, if I'm not mistaken, he wrote it on the same Intercontinental paper on which she wrote her letter."

This quote in particular sounds as if you are saying that Prince was researching these subjects only because of Andy and thinking about marriage to her.

Edited to add:

Regarding the second argument, of Prince studying the subject up until his passing, I was using that as an example to show that if it is true that Prince was studying about marriage and lineage because of Andy when they were together, then it would not make sense for him to continue to study the subject of lineage and marriage after he and Andy were no longer together. I was not taking your words and twisting them, I was trying to explain that if what you are implying with your above quote is true, then where is the sense in him continuing to study those subjects IF the object of his original desire in studying those topics, is no longer a part of his life?

[Edited 5/3/18 14:54pm]

Regardless of what you thought, benni, or how it "sounds" to you, I never used the word "only." I didn't even remotely suggest that. Nor did I address (and I certainly did not deny) his previous interests or studies. All of that comes from, well, you. Can you please just admit that?

benni said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I believe that since he had also written down "Naga Kingdom"that he was more than likely studying the Naga tribe of Ancient India.The other words he wrote down "Matrilenial","Honey Used As Gold and Entheogens seemed to be connected.

I agree Pink. I think it is very possible that he was. Fascinating subjects to study, regardless.

I agree.Since he also had a fascination with ancient giants,I think the subject may tie in with that as well since the Nagas were described as supernatural beings.

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

It's not your understanding that seems the opposite of what one usually considers "spiritual." It is your comportment here on the Org, your mean spirit, and your unwillingness to accept the fact that not everyone will share your understanding of things. It's like a famous man once said, "It is not enough to know...one must act to humanize the world."

BTW, I don’t have a “mean spirit”. But you... You’re always projecting who you are onto others. Read what you wrote above again, this time considering it might be you you are talking about. I am NOT you.

I've never known you to have a "mean spirit" angel.

Btw, what spiritual path do you study? Have you ever heard of Self Realization Fellowship, Paramahansa Yogananda? And do you meditate? I've been a member of SRF since 1998 (after I found the Love4OneAnother website and met an incredible man who introduced me to eastern philosophies and SRF) and have been meditating since that time. As Guruji says, "Everything else can wait, but the search for God cannot wait."

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Thanks for the clarification, benni; however, as I pointed out to you, your "silliness" and "ridiculous" comments were directed toward claims that just don't exist. This is what is called a "straw man" argument in rhetoric studies. Be that as it may, no worries. I hope that point is now clear to you.



Again, the above comments does not exclude that the idea has not been circulated. Especially your quote: "some of us think it is significant that he was researching marriage and lineage during the same time that Andy wrote her now-famous love letter to Prince...and he even wrote "endogamy," which has to do with marriage between persons within the same culture or religion...and which is practiced by Jehovah's Witnesses. So, you might think it irrelevant that while Andy was professing her love for P in writing... he seemed to have endogamy, a form of marriage, on his mind...and, if I'm not mistaken, he wrote it on the same Intercontinental paper on which she wrote her letter."

This quote in particular sounds as if you are saying that Prince was researching these subjects only because of Andy and thinking about marriage to her.

Edited to add:

Regarding the second argument, of Prince studying the subject up until his passing, I was using that as an example to show that if it is true that Prince was studying about marriage and lineage because of Andy when they were together, then it would not make sense for him to continue to study the subject of lineage and marriage after he and Andy were no longer together. I was not taking your words and twisting them, I was trying to explain that if what you are implying with your above quote is true, then where is the sense in him continuing to study those subjects IF the object of his original desire in studying those topics, is no longer a part of his life?

[Edited 5/3/18 14:54pm]

Regardless of what you thought, benni, or how it "sounds" to you, I never used the word "only." I didn't even remotely suggest that. Nor did I address (and I certainly did not deny) his previous interests or studies. All of that comes from, well, you. Can you please just admit that?

Blessings to you Fly.

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Regardless of what you thought, benni, or how it "sounds" to you, I never used the word "only." I didn't even remotely suggest that. Nor did I address (and I certainly did not deny) his previous interests or studies. All of that comes from, well, you. Can you please just admit that?

Blessings to you Fly.

Thank you very much, benni. It's been real. Peace and Love to you.

endiadj said:

LBrent said:

Sooooooo...to sum it up...If you don't agree, harrass the other person ad infinitum in the thread they created to discuss the topic you disagree with...as opposed to ignoring said thread and seeking out or creating a thread more in line with your interests...Hmmmmmmm...

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In the community payground, no playing on the seesaw...Got it...I gotta start keeping better track of these arbitrary rules...Sheesh

[Edited 5/3/18 7:52am]

Basically!

No, no no...I thought posts were gonna be in Finnish from now on...or is it Danish?...Mmm...Danich goes good with fresh coffee...Norwegian not so much though...

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How 'bout we only discuss in heiroglphics???

Not worth it
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benni said:

Thank you, Benni. 💜
I have done and am doing things similar to what you spoke of.
I have to laugh at the egos (including mine) on this thread! 😃
Definitely not a healthy place!
[Edited 5/3/18 19:49pm]

Also sometimes you just have to let people say what they’re going to and keep things to yourself.
[Edited 5/3/18 19:47pm]

pinkcashmere23 said:

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said: I honestly couldn’t even be bothered to your whole response. That’s necause I know the truth. I also have a life I actually live. Here’s the main thing I want to get across: It wasn’t all about Andy. I’m sorry.

I don't know. The way he was frequently tweeting about her from 2013-15,still releasing music they collaborated on along with full albums like Oui Can Luv that he organized a party at PP around,inviting the media to hear while projecting a huge image of her on the big screen and putting her photo up in the Galaxy Room,he seemed to want to give that impression for some reason.

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FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I don't know. The way he was frequently tweeting about her from 2013-15,still releasing music they collaborated on along with full albums like Oui Can Luv that he organized a party at PP around,inviting the media to hear while projecting a huge image of her on the big screen and putting her photo up in the Galaxy Room,he seemed to want to give that impression for some reason.

[Edited 4/29/18 8:32am]

Because he announced the Piano and Mic tour during the party for Luvstream,some also thought that Andy might join him for a few shows in Europe since she was scheduled to be there at the same time for her own tour.With the stream of Oui Can Luv,some fans were hoping that would happen.I think it would have been nice if they had performed one of their duets or two,along with a few songs from OCL.Andy said in a Q&A in 2015 that she thought that perhaps they might perform together again one day so she seemed to be okay with the idea at the time.

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They were both set to tour in Europe at the same time until the Paris bombing occurred. Many thought their tours would intersect and they would perform together.

sharpieheartz said:

They were both set to tour in Europe at the same time until the Paris bombing occurred. Many thought their tours would intersect and they would perform together.

According to Dr Funk,she cancelled before the attacks.He said that he spoke with Andy after one of her shows and told her that a friend of theirs would be over there at the same time and that she seemed excited about it and he was puzzled over why she cancelled.Prince cancelled his tour around the same time and he made a tweet indicating that ticket touts were the reason.I don't think Andy ever revealed what hers was.

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pinkcashmere23 said:

Hmmm.

pinkcashmere23 said:

sharpieheartz said:

They were both set to tour in Europe at the same time until the Paris bombing occurred. Many thought their tours would intersect and they would perform together.

According to Dr Funk,she cancelled before the attacks.He said that he spoke with Andy after one of her shows and told her that a friend of theirs would be over there at the same time and that she seemed excited about it and he was puzzled over why she cancelled.Prince cancelled his tour around the same time and he made a tweet indicating that ticket touts were the reason.I don't think Andy ever revealed what hers was.

[Edited 5/3/18 19:41pm]

Very interesting. Did Dr. Funk say this on one of his podcasts? If so, do you happen to have the link?

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

According to Dr Funk,she cancelled before the attacks.He said that he spoke with Andy after one of her shows and told her that a friend of theirs would be over there at the same time and that she seemed excited about it and he was puzzled over why she cancelled.Prince cancelled his tour around the same time and he made a tweet indicating that ticket touts were the reason.I don't think Andy ever revealed what hers was.

[Edited 5/3/18 19:41pm]

Very interesting. Did Dr. Funk say this on one of his podcasts? If so, do you happen to have the link?

Actually it was in a post about Andy's announcement concerning her cancellation. www.instagram.com/p/-EyIkSHjPw/ Pic of Andy with Dr Funk's friend after show at Avalon www.instagram.com/p/-AMisuHjDS/ He posted this pic of Prince a few days before www.instagram.com/p/97CM7mHjPr/

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pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Very interesting. Did Dr. Funk say this on one of his podcasts? If so, do you happen to have the link?

Actually it was in a post about Andy's announcement concerning her cancellation. www.instagram.com/p/-EyIkSHjPw/ Pic of Andy with Dr Funk's friend after show at Avalon www.instagram.com/p/-AMisuHjDS/ He posted this pic of Prince a few days before www.instagram.com/p/97CM7mHjPr/

[Edited 5/4/18 10:52am]

Wow. You are such a wealth of information, pink!! Thanks so much. So, if I'm understanding correctly, Andy canceled before the bombing, but after she found out about Prince's European dates that would put them there at the same time. Prince then canceled after the bombing (and after Andy canceled)? Right???

Also, that photo of Prince is very interesting. The comments are suggesting that the shadow is actually Andy's silhouette. If that's true, I wonder when that photo was taken? Based on his hair, it looks like it was at least mid- to late-2015. If so, and if that's really her shadow, was she actually with him...or is it just Photoshop? SO. MANY. QUESTIONS.

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Actually it was in a post about Andy's announcement concerning her cancellation. www.instagram.com/p/-EyIkSHjPw/ Pic of Andy with Dr Funk's friend after show at Avalon www.instagram.com/p/-AMisuHjDS/ He posted this pic of Prince a few days before www.instagram.com/p/97CM7mHjPr/

[Edited 5/4/18 10:52am]

Wow. You are such a wealth of information, pink!! Thanks so much. So, if I'm understanding correctly, Andy canceled before the bombing, but after she found out about Prince's European dates that would put them there at the same time. Prince then canceled after the bombing (and after Andy canceled)? Right???

Also, that photo of Prince is very interesting. The comments are suggesting that the shadow is actually Andy's silhouette. If that's true, I wonder when that photo was taken? Based on his hair, it looks like it was at least mid- to late-2015. If so, and if that's really her shadow, was she actually with him...or is it just Photoshop? SO. MANY. QUESTIONS.

You're welcome.If I remember correctly,Andy canceled first,then Prince.I believe the attacks happened after.Prince then postponed the tour.He tweeted a photo of a vulture and hinted that he was cancelling his tour due to touts. LV,the graphic artist that Prince used for his tour posters suggested in a post on Twitter that it looked like Andy standing behind Prince and it caused speculation about them possibly touring together.The photo was taken in 2015,possibly by Nandy McClean.Andy was asked on Twitter if it was her in the photo but she didn't reply.

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It is so funny, watching the “usual suspects” pretending this is all new to them.

anangellooksdown said:

It is so funny, watching the “usual suspects” pretending this is all new to them.

Not pretending it's new at all. Sharpieheartz posted that their tours were cancelled due to the Paris attacks and didn't seem to be aware that Andy had postponed her tour before they occurred. Fly wanted to know when Dr Funk mentioned it so I linked to his post.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Most of it’s been said but I understand this is a way to recreate the threads that went missing. No big deal, I just get a kick out of it

anangellooksdown said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Not pretending it's new at all. Sharpieheartz posted that their tours were cancelled due to the Paris attacks and didn't seem to be aware that Andy had postponed her tour before they occurred. Fly wanted to know when Dr Funk mentioned it so I linked to his post.

Most of it’s been said but I understand this is a way to recreate the threads that went missing. No big deal, I just get a kick out of it

Ok. It's been mentioned in threads before but I don't think anyone posted Dr F's posts concerning what happened.From his comment, it sounds like when Andy found out Prince was going to be over there too,she canceled her tour but I doubt that was the reason.

anangellooksdown said:

It is so funny, watching the “usual suspects” pretending this is all new to them.

But, I thought you had better things to do? Just admit it, angel, you are in love with me...and you just have to find ways of capturing my attention. That plus, you secretly can't get enough of Prince-Andy (Prindy) news. I see you. There's no shame in that.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Actually I am growing kinda bored with these threads and the whole notion and although I love his music with Andy i am beginning to really want to explore what other collaborations P had going in the last years. There was so much else he was doing. So many talented young women he was helping.

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

But, I thought you had better things to do? Just admit it, angel, you are in love with me...and you just have to find ways of capturing my attention. That plus, you secretly can't get enough of Prince-Andy (Prindy) news. I see you. There's no shame in that.

Actually I am growing kinda bored with these threads and the whole notion and although I love his music with Andy i am beginning to really want to explore what other collaborations P had going in the last years. There was so much else he was doing. So many talented young women he was helping.

If your presence on the Prindy threads marks your "boredom," I wonder what you're like when you're really innerested in a topic. BTW, he was also mentoring several very talented young male musicians, but that news is not nearly as "sexy." There was Mono Neon, Josh Welton, Adrian Crutchfield, etc.

[Edited 5/4/18 18:42pm]

FlyOnTheWall said:

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said: Actually I am growing kinda bored with these threads and the whole notion and although I love his music with Andy i am beginning to really want to explore what other collaborations P had going in the last years. There was so much else he was doing. So many talented young women he was helping.

He was also mentoring several very talented young male musicians, but that news is not as "sexy." There was Mono Neon, Josh Welton, Adrian Crutchfield, etc.

True! He was also working with Nik West and The Golden Hippie.

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

He was also mentoring several very talented young male musicians, but that news is not as "sexy." There was Mono Neon, Josh Welton, Adrian Crutchfield, etc.

True! He was also working with Nik West and The Golden Hippie.

Yup! And, don't forget the recently departed legendary Bay Area DJ, Pam, the Funktress, whom he renamed, Purple Pam.

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