anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Wow. If this is your demeanor after years of studying spiritual texts, angel, it's downright frightening to think what you were like previously.

My understanding is the result of having actual experience, and healing. Yes.

It's not your understanding that seems the opposite of what one usually considers "spiritual." It is your comportment here on the Org, your mean spirit, and your unwillingness to accept the fact that not everyone will share your understanding of things. It's like a famous man once said, "It is not enough to know...one must act to humanize the world."

anangellooksdown said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I meant that by popping up at her shows in 2013 unannounced and waiting for her by the side of the stage,he appeared to still be pursuing her.He also went to see her show at Bootleg Theater September 10th 2015 for some reason.Maybe he was a huge fan of her music and voice.She mentioned in a Q&A that he loved to listen to her play her acoustic and just sing. She said he also had heard her EP HELLO and that he loved Tongue Tied so maybe he just liked her music and wanted to see her show.He had the Luvstream party at PP shortly after so he may have wanted to talk with her about that as well.

You don’t seem to want to acknowledge what I wrote above about his romantic life. I get it. If this illusion of yours about how he felt about Andy ultimately, which is highly possible that he had grown after 2014 to just being able to be a friend, or that he was still pursuing because of his abandonment fears, what would you do with all your time? [Edited 5/3/18 7:29am]

I have no idea why he went to see her shows only he knew that.Was it because he had feelings for her? Again,that would have been something only he would have known.He seemed to at least still have some fondness for her.Andy was also in a relationship with another man and Prince may have been aware of that too.I said in the above that he may have simply enjoyed watching her perform.In 2013,his motive seemed to be to see her and speak with her afterwards. Maybe she was no longer taking his calls and he wanted to confront her.His surprise appearance at her show at Hotel Café in November 2013 seemed to be for that reason since he stood by the stage until the end of the show.According to some who were there,he was the first person that she saw when she left the stage and she looked surprised to see him.The previous month,she said in a FB Q&A that she thought Prince had written some songs about her after being asked if anyone had ever written a song for or about her.She seemed rather put out with him at the time because before her reply she said,"That would require me to have dated someone and I can't recall having done that"Then she said,"Hmm wait...I think Prince may have written some songs about me but we'll probably never get to hear them." Suggesting they had gone their separate ways. "

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Sooooooo...to sum it up...If you don't agree, harrass the other person ad infinitum in the thread they created to discuss the topic you disagree with...as opposed to ignoring said thread and seeking out or creating a thread more in line with your interests...Hmmmmmmm...

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In the community payground, no playing on the seesaw...Got it...I gotta start keeping better track of these arbitrary rules...Sheesh

[Edited 5/3/18 7:52am]

FlyOnTheWall said:

LBrent said:

anangellooksdown said:

LBrent said:

Sooooooo...to sum it up...If you don't agree, harrass the other person ad infinitum in the thread they created to discuss the topic you disagree with...as opposed to ignoring said thread and seeking out or creating a thread more in line with your interests...Hmmmmmmm...

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In the community payground, no playing on the seesaw...Got it...I gotta start keeping better track of these arbitrary rules...Sheesh

[Edited 5/3/18 7:52am]

Let’s be honest, LBrent. This thing about, “Oh, just don’t click on the thread...” is BS, cuz everyone knows we’re going to click on it eventually. It’s not easy to ignore, especially when there are 5 threads on the same subject dominating the forum. The threads are designed for people to click, then those who further thenthrqss say, “Just don’t click.” lol. The whole thing AND is SO manipulative it isn’t even funny. I usually ignore these threads but sometimes feel the need to chime in when I see people stretching things to a extreme suppositions, and I have first-hand receipts of things happening otherwise. [Edited 5/3/18 8:55am]

I believe this thread was started by someone who seemed to be genuinely surprised that Prince saved Andy's love letter.I don't believe it was meant to be click bait and people came in to discuss their opinions.

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

It's not your understanding that seems the opposite of what one usually considers "spiritual." It is your comportment here on the Org, your mean spirit, and your unwillingness to accept the fact that not everyone will share your understanding of things. It's like a famous man once said, "It is not enough to know...one must act to humanize the world."

Yes. You always try to say I am “not spiritual”. Then you can feel better about yourself. “Being spiritual” means things that you may not understand. There is nothing wrong with I’ve said. It’s Truth. I also added that we can all relate to Prince. This makes people feel less alone. And that he was trying. And growing. I have also said that his loose reign on Judith was the example of that growth.

His growth in that area appeared to begin with his work with Tamar and releasing a song that she had written Beautiful Loved And Blessed on 3121 which was nominated for a Grammy.He took her as his date to the show.He also allowed Andy freedom with Superconductor.He arranged the music and organized the musicians that played on it but he gave Andy creative control.They also shared ownership of the album which is why she can have new copies made.She said in an interview in 2015 that she hoped to eventually release it on vinyl.

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pinkcashmere23 said:

LBrent said:

Sooooooo...to sum it up...If you don't agree, harrass the other person ad infinitum in the thread they created to discuss the topic you disagree with...as opposed to ignoring said thread and seeking out or creating a thread more in line with your interests...Hmmmmmmm...

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In the community payground, no playing on the seesaw...Got it...I gotta start keeping better track of these arbitrary rules...Sheesh

[Edited 5/3/18 7:52am]

anangellooksdown said:

Let’s be honest, LBrent. This thing about, “Oh, just don’t click on the thread...” is BS, cuz everyone knows we’re going to click on it eventually. It’s not easy to ignore, especially when there are 5 threads on the same subject dominating the forum. The threads are designed for people to click, then those who further thenthrqss say, “Just don’t click.” lol. The whole thing AND is SO manipulative it isn’t even funny. I usually ignore these threads but sometimes feel the need to chime in when I see people stretching things to a extreme suppositions, and I have first-hand receipts of things happening otherwise. [Edited 5/3/18 8:55am]

Ahhh...There it is...So it was you dating P instead of AA or JH...on the plane, fluffing the pillows and shining the chrome in the elevator at PP on the evening of 4/20...It all makes sense now...Sorry...Had no idea...No wonder this topic irks so much...what with all the receipts...and considering how it's clogging up the forum and all...keeping all the new and current P news from being posted and discussed...Gotchya...

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M'kay...Good thing there are those who take thier duty to patrol the Org's forum halls so seriously and to remind folks to get lives...it's almost like prison guards making fun of prisoners for being imprisoned...while they themselves go voluntarily to prison every day as well...Inneresting...

I truly do understand having to take a break though...It was some task making up Purple Harem IDs for all the odalesques, consorts, concubines, sisterwives, etc...

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anangellooksdown said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I believe this thread was started by someone who seemed to be genuinely surprised that Prince saved Andy's love letter.I don't believe it was meant to be click bait and people came in to discuss their opinions.

Yes, but you and Fly and a few others turned it into what it’s becomes. Another monster born of your own issues and lack of having lives. I mean really, Pink. GET A FRICKIN LIFE. I believe I’ve said everything I need to on the topic. You will keep ignoring it though and turning it into something it really quite wasn’t. To not continue with your unbelievable obssssion with Prince.org, 24 hours a day for months in a row (someone’s got to tell you this: It’s sad) would mean you having to actually get a real life of your own. I’m taking a break from the site for now because I am getting a life myself, which is really what Prince wants us to do.

Other people made comments far more suggestive than mine.I found it surprising myself that he had kept her letter and it did make me wonder what his reasons were for doing so and others obviously did as well.I was also surprised to read Andy's personal feelings for him and that it was put out there for the world to see.The fact is,the more that has been revealed,it's become apparent that Prince may have still had feelings for Andy and he may have had plans for the relationship that had not turned out the way he had hoped.He was focusing so heavily on her in 2015,culminating with the release of Oui Can Luv and the party at PP that he called LUVSTREAM.All of that did make people wonder and with her photo up,and the discovery of the letter,it confirmed what some were thinking.Again,just because it indicates that a user is online doesn't mean they are actively reading the board.You can leave tabs open while doing other things.Judith also said in her police interview that Andy was his last girlfriend before they began dating and I doubt she would have said that if it hadn't been true.It seems that Prince or some one close to him may have revealed that to her since it wasn't yet made known to the public that he dated Andy at the time of the interview.

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anangellooksdown said:

I have always felt and have talked now with people who corroborate that Prince had huge abandonment fears. So he would not be able to let go of people; especially ones his heart didn’t really want. That’s how abandonment fears work. I think that when it was obvious that someone wasn’t right for him, there would be a fight, and he would end it. Then when they would walk away, he would try to get them back (pursue). I think this was very painful for Prince and also confusing for the female. I also think it would take him years to “get over” it. This is the way we try to play out unfinished business with our parent(s). I haven’t wanted to say this before because I love Prince. But I also relate. I used to be the same way. But maybe it’s time people put some reality into these relationships. He probably wasn’t healed fully. And he was human. This is why in the other Andy Allo threads I’ve alwsys tried to describe the difference between real, spiritually matured Love — and Obsession. P knew this about himself. It’s why he was studying what equally-yoked love is. It isn’t until we heal and mature ourselves that we are brought someone who is also matured. And that is when it works. I believe that Prince matured later. But there was not anyone around him whom he was attracted to who was equally-yoked to him. So he never had that. Not all of us get it. He accepted this even though he had desires.

That could quite possibly have been his motives for doing those things as well.He seemed to have also genuinely liked the music they created while together and wanted to share it with people so that may have been why he seemed to have an attachment to their time together too.I don't know what his feelings for her were like or how deep they went.Unless he shared that with her or someone close to him,only he would have known that.Andy appeared to have moved on with someone else by the summer of 2015 and tweeted a photo depicting Nefertiti and Ankenhaten and captioned it #"relationship goals." A few days later,Prince posted the same photo with the caption THIS COULD B US and some thought he was sending a message to Andy and asked him about it.After Prince passed,she made some social media posts where she said that she was forced to face some things that she thought she had moved past but realized that perhaps she had not.She also talked about the importance of telling those you love what they mean to you while they are here.She seemed to be suggesting that she realized that she still had feelings for him that she didn't know she had.Until then,I felt that Andy didn't seem to want to acknowledge her time with Prince much,except when brought up in interviews or with the release of a project or song that they did together.

[Edited 5/3/18 17:28pm]

anangellooksdown said:

I have always felt and have talked now with people who corroborate that Prince had huge abandonment fears. So he would not be able to let go of people; especially ones his heart didn’t really want. That’s how abandonment fears work. I think that when it was obvious that someone wasn’t right for him, there would be a fight, and he would end it. Then when they would walk away, he would try to get them back (pursue). I think this was very painful for Prince and also confusing for the female. I also think it would take him years to “get over” it. This is the way we try to play out unfinished business with our parent(s). I haven’t wanted to say this before because I love Prince. But I also relate. I used to be the same way. But maybe it’s time people put some reality into these relationships. He probably wasn’t healed fully. And he was human. This is why in the other Andy Allo threads I’ve alwsys tried to describe the difference between real, spiritually matured Love — and Obsession. P knew this about himself. It’s why he was studying what equally-yoked love is. It isn’t until we heal and mature ourselves that we are brought someone who is also matured. And that is when it works. I believe that Prince matured later. But there was not anyone around him whom he was attracted to who was equally-yoked to him. So he never had that. Not all of us get it. He accepted this even though he had desires.

Angel, I have HUGE abandonment fears as well. I don't trust easy, never have. I actually have warned boyfriends of my trust issues, "If I give my trust to you, don't betray it, because you will never get it back." I've ended relationships because of broken trust. And I hung on for all its worth before realizing I had to let go because I just didn't trust them and was making myself and them miserable.

My abandonment issues don't manifest the way you are speaking. Yes, I will do whatever it takes to not be abandoned. However, once the relationship is over, it is over, and there is no going back. I try to remain friends, but it doesn't work out, so I let them go. However, what I do is that I don't tend to let anyone get close to me. I guess in a weird way, I abandon them before they can ever get the chance to abandon me. I have so many burned bridges behind me. If I am the one to end the relationship, it goes much smoother, because I have worked through the pain already of letting them go, while in the relationship. If they end the relationship, I will hang on for all it's worth, because of the fear of being abandoned. If I end the relationship, I don't feel abandoned by ending it, if they end the relationship, then I definitely feel abandoned.

20 Signs Someone Has Abandonment Issues:

1. You attach too quickly
2. You move on too quickly
3. You're a partner pleaser
4. You stay in/settle for unhealthy relationships
5. You look for flaws in every partner
6. You're reluctant to fully invest in a relationship
7. You avoid emotional intimacy
8. You feel unworthy of love
9. You're more than a little insecure
10. You're jealous of every friend/colleague/acquaintance
11. You struggle to trust
12. You get separation blues
13. You visualize your partner leaving you
14. You overanalyze things
15. You're hypersensitive to criticism
16. You have represeed anger
17. You're overly controlling
18. You pick unavailable partners
19. You sabotage relationships at every opportunity
20. You blame yourself for every breakup.

I've experienced all of them. Being overly controlling manifests in me as being overly controlling of my emotions.

benni said:

anangellooksdown said:

I have always felt and have talked now with people who corroborate that Prince had huge abandonment fears. So he would not be able to let go of people; especially ones his heart didn’t really want. That’s how abandonment fears work. I think that when it was obvious that someone wasn’t right for him, there would be a fight, and he would end it. Then when they would walk away, he would try to get them back (pursue). I think this was very painful for Prince and also confusing for the female. I also think it would take him years to “get over” it. This is the way we try to play out unfinished business with our parent(s). I haven’t wanted to say this before because I love Prince. But I also relate. I used to be the same way. But maybe it’s time people put some reality into these relationships. He probably wasn’t healed fully. And he was human. This is why in the other Andy Allo threads I’ve alwsys tried to describe the difference between real, spiritually matured Love — and Obsession. P knew this about himself. It’s why he was studying what equally-yoked love is. It isn’t until we heal and mature ourselves that we are brought someone who is also matured. And that is when it works. I believe that Prince matured later. But there was not anyone around him whom he was attracted to who was equally-yoked to him. So he never had that. Not all of us get it. He accepted this even though he had desires.

Angel, I have HUGE abandonment fears as well. I don't trust easy, never have. I actually have warned boyfriends of my trust issues, "If I give my trust to you, don't betray it, because you will never get it back." I've ended relationships because of broken trust. And I hung on for all its worth before realizing I had to let go because I just didn't trust them and was making myself and them miserable.

My abandonment issues don't manifest the way you are speaking. Yes, I will do whatever it takes to not be abandoned. However, once the relationship is over, it is over, and there is no going back. I try to remain friends, but it doesn't work out, so I let them go. However, what I do is that I don't tend to let anyone get close to me. I guess in a weird way, I abandon them before they can ever get the chance to abandon me. I have so many burned bridges behind me. If I am the one to end the relationship, it goes much smoother, because I have worked through the pain already of letting them go, while in the relationship. If they end the relationship, I will hang on for all it's worth, because of the fear of being abandoned. If I end the relationship, I don't feel abandoned by ending it, if they end the relationship, then I definitely feel abandoned.

After his performance of I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man during one of the Piano & Mic shows in Toronto he whispered "You left me,you know you left me.You left me.That's why I'm going to find another that looks like you." before going into Use Me so you both may have a point.

benni said:

benni said:

20 Signs Someone Has Abandonment Issues:

1. You attach too quickly
2. You move on too quickly
3. You're a partner pleaser
4. You stay in/settle for unhealthy relationships
5. You look for flaws in every partner
6. You're reluctant to fully invest in a relationship
7. You avoid emotional intimacy
8. You feel unworthy of love
9. You're more than a little insecure
10. You're jealous of every friend/colleague/acquaintance
11. You struggle to trust
12. You get separation blues
13. You visualize your partner leaving you
14. You overanalyze things
15. You're hypersensitive to criticism
16. You have represeed anger
17. You're overly controlling
18. You pick unavailable partners
19. You sabotage relationships at every opportunity
20. You blame yourself for every breakup.

I've experienced all of them. Being overly controlling manifests in me as being overly controlling of my emotions.

This is very interesting, benni. Perhaps you should initiate a thread on abandonment issues where you and angel could more fully dissect the subject relative to Prince.

anangellooksdown said:

Unavailable people. CHECK!

FlyOnTheWall said:

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Oh, please. At least I’ve done my work.

Indeed!!!

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

It wasn't announced until then, but Prince had been approached multiple times by various publishers about doing an autobiography. He was very interested in the subject of lineage and how it related to himself, as well. Remember "Family Name" from TRC? To think that he only got interested when he met Andy is just silliness. Prince has always been interested in roots, how lineage played out in the history of the world, as well as with African Americans.

And, there is no date on the word that Prince wrote down, to indicate that it was actually written at the same time frame as when Andy Allo and he stayed there. Wiith scraps of paper lying around everywhere, Prince could have picked that up and wrote down the word any time after that visit. (I'm embarrassed to say, I do the same thing.) Also, the books, the exploration into the subject, was occurring (and ongoing) up until he passed. When Prince let a relationship go, he never went back. So to imagine that he was studying this subject up until 2016 with hopes of going back and marrying Andy, is just ridiculous. (Not saying you are, just the idea.)

What it looks like to me is that Prince was reading one of his books, came across that word, liked it and wanted to explore it more fully, research it, and wrote down the word while he was reading, to come back to that word later. Not that it held any significance to his situation, but that the word itself intrigued him.

Wow, benni, I'm taken aback by your "silliness" and "ridiculous" remarks. I didn't expect that from you. At any rate, please point out, with quotes, where anyone said on this thread, or otherwise, that Prince "only got interested [in the subject of lineage] when he met Andy." And, again, who said that Prince was "studying this subject up until 2016 with hopes of going back and marrying Andy?" It's amazing how many Orgers come up with these broad conclusions based on much more limited premises. Lastly, thanks for sharing "what it looks like" to you; however, I have a different view, which is often the case when you have two thinking people considering the same set of facts. In this instance, I hope we can respectfully agree to disagree.

Hey Fly, the silliness comment was directed at the idea that Prince only got interested in lineage after meeting Andy. The ridiculous comment was in regards to an idea that Prince was continued to study this subject up towards his passing and any idea that someone might hold that it was to go back and marry Andy. My point was simply that if he had originally been studying this subject when he was with Andy, thinking of marriage to her, then he would not have continued to study this subject well into 2016, after he and Andy were no longer an item.

Prince has always been interested in lineage, especially as it relates to African Americans. I highly doubt that he simply started studying this subject because he and Andy were together and he was thinking of marrying her, as has been implied in this thread.

Back in the Love4OneAnother days, he wrote about names and their importance:

http://princeonlinemuseum.../rose.html

But as you can see from the old website, Prince has always studied very deep subjects, and pondered interesting questions, so I can imagine him studying many different subjects related lineage and marriages, especially since it seems towards the end of his life he became more introspective related to his own personal family. Such as dedicating the P&M concerts to his dad, as stated in the P&M tour books, and talking about memories from long ago.

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

20 Signs Someone Has Abandonment Issues:

1. You attach too quickly
2. You move on too quickly
3. You're a partner pleaser
4. You stay in/settle for unhealthy relationships
5. You look for flaws in every partner
6. You're reluctant to fully invest in a relationship
7. You avoid emotional intimacy
8. You feel unworthy of love
9. You're more than a little insecure
10. You're jealous of every friend/colleague/acquaintance
11. You struggle to trust
12. You get separation blues
13. You visualize your partner leaving you
14. You overanalyze things
15. You're hypersensitive to criticism
16. You have represeed anger
17. You're overly controlling
18. You pick unavailable partners
19. You sabotage relationships at every opportunity
20. You blame yourself for every breakup.

I've experienced all of them. Being overly controlling manifests in me as being overly controlling of my emotions.

This is very interesting, benni. Perhaps you should initiate a thread on abandonment issues where you and angel could more fully dissect the subject relative to Prince.

Actually, not interested in dissecting Prince. If you see from my replies, in answer to angel, I've not once indicated Prince or how he may or may not have felt. I have spoken from my own experience, replying to someone who brought up abandonment issues. (A subject I know well, from experience.) But thank you for the offer anyway.

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Wow, benni, I'm taken aback by your "silliness" and "ridiculous" remarks. I didn't expect that from you. At any rate, please point out, with quotes, where anyone said on this thread, or otherwise, that Prince "only got interested [in the subject of lineage] when he met Andy." And, again, who said that Prince was "studying this subject up until 2016 with hopes of going back and marrying Andy?" It's amazing how many Orgers come up with these broad conclusions based on much more limited premises. Lastly, thanks for sharing "what it looks like" to you; however, I have a different view, which is often the case when you have two thinking people considering the same set of facts. In this instance, I hope we can respectfully agree to disagree.

Hey Fly, the silliness comment was directed at the idea that Prince only got interested in lineage after meeting Andy. The ridiculous comment was in regards to an idea that Prince was continued to study this subject up towards his passing and any idea that someone might hold that it was to go back and marry Andy. My point was simply that if he had originally been studying this subject when he was with Andy, thinking of marriage to her, then he would not have continued to study this subject well into 2016, after he and Andy were no longer an item.

Prince has always been interested in lineage, especially as it relates to African Americans. I highly doubt that he simply started studying this subject because he and Andy were together and he was thinking of marrying her, as has been implied in this thread.

Back in the Love4OneAnother days, he wrote about names and their importance:

http://princeonlinemuseum.../rose.html

But as you can see from the old website, Prince has always studied very deep subjects, and pondered interesting questions, so I can imagine him studying many different subjects related lineage and marriages, especially since it seems towards the end of his life he became more introspective related to his own personal family. Such as dedicating the P&M concerts to his dad, as stated in the P&M tour books, and talking about memories from long ago.

Thanks for the clarification, benni; however, as I pointed out to you, your "silliness" and "ridiculous" comments were directed toward claims that just don't exist. This is what is called a "straw man" argument in rhetoric studies. Be that as it may, no worries. I hope that point is now clear to you.

FlyOnTheWall said:

benni said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Wow, benni, I'm taken aback by your "silliness" and "ridiculous" remarks. I didn't expect that from you. At any rate, please point out, with quotes, where anyone said on this thread, or otherwise, that Prince "only got interested [in the subject of lineage] when he met Andy." And, again, who said that Prince was "studying this subject up until 2016 with hopes of going back and marrying Andy?" It's amazing how many Orgers come up with these broad conclusions based on much more limited premises. Lastly, thanks for sharing "what it looks like" to you; however, I have a different view, which is often the case when you have two thinking people considering the same set of facts. In this instance, I hope we can respectfully agree to disagree.

Hey Fly, the silliness comment was directed at the idea that Prince only got interested in lineage after meeting Andy. The ridiculous comment was in regards to an idea that Prince was continued to study this subject up towards his passing and any idea that someone might hold that it was to go back and marry Andy. My point was simply that if he had originally been studying this subject when he was with Andy, thinking of marriage to her, then he would not have continued to study this subject well into 2016, after he and Andy were no longer an item.

Prince has always been interested in lineage, especially as it relates to African Americans. I highly doubt that he simply started studying this subject because he and Andy were together and he was thinking of marrying her, as has been implied in this thread.

Back in the Love4OneAnother days, he wrote about names and their importance:

http://princeonlinemuseum.../rose.html

But as you can see from the old website, Prince has always studied very deep subjects, and pondered interesting questions, so I can imagine him studying many different subjects related lineage and marriages, especially since it seems towards the end of his life he became more introspective related to his own personal family. Such as dedicating the P&M concerts to his dad, as stated in the P&M tour books, and talking about memories from long ago.

I believe that since he had also written down "Naga Kingdom"that he was more than likely studying the Naga tribe of Ancient India.The other words he wrote down "Matrilenial","Honey Used As Gold and Entheogens seemed to be connected.

LBrent said: