pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I've also wondered if they actually know each other. I don't recall seeing him around during the time that Prince and Andy were together. I do recall Prince talking about his brother, Kirk, during his cover of Bill Withers' classic ditty, "Use Me." It seems that Kirk was telling P that someone was using him and he was letting this person walk all over him. Some have inferred that Prince was talking about Andy. Here is a verse of that song:

Use Me

My brother sit me right down and he talked to me
He told me that I ought not to let you just walk on me
And I'm sure he meant well
Yeah, but when our talk was through
I said, brother, if you only knew
You'd wish that you were in my shoes
You just keep on using me
Until you use me up
Until you use me up

I do wonder why Kirk is following her and whether they were friends. I don't recall him being around back then either though he may have been behind the scenes. Andy did mention that Bill Withers was one of her favorite singer/songwriters but I'm not sure that Prince would have directed that song toward her since she was no longer around him.He was playing the end of Kissing My Love frequently at the Welcome 2 Europe shows.

I think it was all part of his ongoing reflection during the PAAM shows, during which he seemed to allude to Andy on more than one occasion. That particular reference made me wonder if Kirk might have been against that relationship.

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I do wonder why Kirk is following her and whether they were friends. I don't recall him being around back then either though he may have been behind the scenes. Andy did mention that Bill Withers was one of her favorite singer/songwriters but I'm not sure that Prince would have directed that song toward her since she was no longer around him.He was playing the end of Kissing My Love frequently at the Welcome 2 Europe shows.

I think it was all part of his ongoing reflection during the PAAM shows, during which he seemed to allude to Andy on more than one occasion. That particular reference made me wonder if Kirk might have been against that relationship.

He seems to be interested in her for some reason.He may like her music or they may be acquaintances. It was kind of interesting to me that Prince mentioned Kirk by name during some of the performances.I think your referring to the P&M show in Toronto iirc.

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I think it was all part of his ongoing reflection during the PAAM shows, during which he seemed to allude to Andy on more than one occasion. That particular reference made me wonder if Kirk might have been against that relationship.

He seems to be interested in her for some reason.He may like her music or they may be acquaintances. It was kind of interesting to me that Prince mentioned Kirk by name during some of the performances.I think your referring to the P&M show in Toronto iirc.

I'm pretty sure that he knows how Prince felt about her. In fact, I think he might even have something to do with the decision to leave Andy's photo where P left it in the Galaxy Room at Paisley Park.

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

He seems to be interested in her for some reason.He may like her music or they may be acquaintances. It was kind of interesting to me that Prince mentioned Kirk by name during some of the performances.I think your referring to the P&M show in Toronto iirc.

I'm pretty sure that he knows how Prince felt about her. In fact, I think he might even have something to do with the decision to leave Andy's photo where P left it in the Galaxy Room at Paisley Park.

I hadn't thought of that.You might be right.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Susu1976 said:

FlyOnTheWall said: Sorry not sorry, honey hush but I am so over your shit, don't flatter yourself. You cannot answer simple questions and deflect and project like your life is on the line. You have had ample opportunity to provide something of value yet you once again resort to passive-aggressive crap. Pathetic. You don't know Kirk so shut up about him. You know nobody. I couldn't care less about a letter that looked like a 7th grader wrote it and obviously Prince didn't either. Do you store parts of love letters in a folder in the bathroom, a another parts of it stuffed on a folder with meaningless crap? Lol. I hope you find something useful some day to do with your life other than obsess over people you never knew, never met and know nothing about. Have a good one, I'm done with your crazy and nothing you say will change the truth but keep pushing. It will only pull you further into the vortex of your own La-La Land. Btw, sweetheartbaby, have a good one.

The other "stuff" in the notebook such as the Bible verses he had written down and the notes he had taken on matrilenial blood lines and endogamy(tracing a females ancestry and marrying within the confines of a community,clan or tribe) on stationary from the same hotel didn't seem to be meaningless to him since he was still actively studying one of the topics before he passed.He had other purple binders under the notebook and it appeared that he was keeping them in a special place.He also had a greeting card that I believe was signed by Kirk and his family tucked inside that I doubt he considered "meaningless."

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So, Prince was researching marriage and female ancestry during the time that Andy wrote the letter??? WOW. That's very interesting...and highly suggestive. Which topic was he still actively studying and how can you tell?

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

The other "stuff" in the notebook such as the Bible verses he had written down and the notes he had taken on matrilenial blood lines and endogamy(tracing a females ancestry and marrying within the confines of a community,clan or tribe) on stationary from the same hotel didn't seem to be meaningless to him since he was still actively studying one of the topics before he passed.He had other purple binders under the notebook and it appeared that he was keeping them in a special place.He also had a greeting card that I believe was signed by Kirk and his family tucked inside that I doubt he considered "meaningless."

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[Edited 4/28/18 9:58am]

So, Prince was researching marriage and female ancestry during the time that Andy wrote the letter??? WOW. That's very interesting...and highly suggestive. Which topic was he still actively studying and how can you tell?

He did appear to be studying the topic of endogamy for some reason while in Montreal.Based on some of the books he had been reading, he seemed to still be interested in studying the topic of matrilenial ancestry and the role women played in a matrilenial society.Afrikan Matriarchal Foundations and In Praise Of Black Women:Ancient African Queens were in his collection.

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PennyPurple said:

sharpieheartz said:

PennyPurple said: I doubt it. It seems like Prince initiated their split.

He did, because she was dipping in the lady pond.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

PennyPurple said:

He did, because she was dipping in the lady pond.

I noticed Andy and Lamorne were talking on her IG a bit summer of 2013 while she was on tour in Europe and they talked about catching up when she got back home to L.A. They appeared to be dating in early 2015 and Dr F mentioned that he had met him at one of her shows.

pinkcashmere23 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I noticed Andy and Lamorne were talking on her IG a bit summer of 2013 while she was on tour in Europe and they talked about catching up when she got back home to L.A. They appeared to be dating in early 2015 and Dr F mentioned that he had met him at one of her shows.

Exactly!

Case closed.

BTW: He was a cast member of the sitcom that just ended. That Prince made his sitcom debut on "NEWGIRL". That had to sting Prince a little bit.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

sharpieheartz said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Exactly!

Case closed.

BTW: He was a cast member of the sitcom that just ended. That Prince made his sitcom debut on "NEWGIRL". That had to sting Prince a little bit.

I’m sure it did. That had to have hurt. It’s also rumored that Prince and Andy saw each other this night at the GG’s. They hugged and parted ways.

I thought they looked nice together.It seemed Andy knew LaMorne before Prince made his appearance on the show.I recall that Prince had People Pleaser played on the show during the party scene.I hadn't heard about them seeing each other at the GGs.That's sweet if true.

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

So, Prince was researching marriage and female ancestry during the time that Andy wrote the letter??? WOW. That's very interesting...and highly suggestive. Which topic was he still actively studying and how can you tell?

He did appear to be studying the topic of endogamy for some reason while in Montreal.Based on some of the books he had been reading, he seemed to still be interested in studying the topic of matrilenial ancestry and the role women played in a matrilenial society.Afrikan Matriarchal Foundations and In Praise Of Black Women:Ancient African Queens were in his collection.

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I still wonder why Prince was studying the subject of marriage while he and Andy were dating.

FlyOnTheWall said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

He did appear to be studying the topic of endogamy for some reason while in Montreal.Based on some of the books he had been reading, he seemed to still be interested in studying the topic of matrilenial ancestry and the role women played in a matrilenial society.Afrikan Matriarchal Foundations and In Praise Of Black Women:Ancient African Queens were in his collection.

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I still wonder why Prince was studying the subject of marriage while he and Andy were dating.

JW's are considered an endogamous religion so it may have been a topic for Bible study or for some reason he may have been doing research on his own. I wonder if she studied with him? She said in an interview in 2012 that they were studying the possibility of time travel together.

Everybody's time is theirs to use as they choose, notwithstanding judgemental, hateful busybodies.

FlyOnTheWall said:

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Everybody's time is theirs to use as they choose, notwithstanding judgemental, hateful busybodies.

Ah. So you have too much arrogance to respond directly to me, but you want to call me a “hateful busybody”? Do you know what “projecting” is? Here’s an example: You went over to the Deborah Johnson thread 2 mornings ago to stalk me, replying to a comment I wrote about VJ backing DJ as a strong black woman, and you said I was “racist”. Then you claimed I was stalking you, because I had commented in these Andy threads which you think certain people OWN. No, The Org owns them. Then you called Penny Purple “homophobic” because she said the truth, which is that ANDY LIKES WOMEN. There is so much that you don’t know. And people who DO know aren’t saying anything too specific, because we don’t want to hurt anyone. But to allow some illusory fantasy to continue which people’s minds are susceptible to taking in, born of your use of embellishing language and the way you see things without knowing anyone Prince knew, is also dishonest. Unfortunately, that is all I can say.

To this day, because of the way he dressed and wore his hair and make-up, many people still think that Prince liked men, but that doesn't make it true. It is no different with the gay rumors about Andy. And, BTW, Penny is more than capable of speaking for herself. I don't think she needs the likes of you trying to stir up trouble.

Also, for the record, here is what I directly responded to in your comments on the Debra Johnson thread: You said: And I’m getting more and more concerned that although Van has portrayed Phaedra as an effective, life-changing black woman, that is just him forwarding his/their own desires for success and image.

I simply asked the following: When did Van Jones ever make Phaedra's race an issue, as you seem to be doing here? I did not call you "racist," but, as they say, "If the shoe fits, wear it."

Now, I hope the moderators will not allow you to derail this thread, which is clearly your aim.

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I still wonder why Prince was studying the subject of marriage while he and Andy were dating.

JW's are considered an endogamous religion so it may have been a topic for Bible study or for some reason he may have been doing research on his own. I wonder if she studied with him? She said in an interview in 2012 that they were studying the possibility of time travel together.

Interesting.

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Everybody's time is theirs to use as they choose, notwithstanding judgemental, hateful busybodies.

Ah. So you have too much arrogance to respond directly to me, but you want to call me a “hateful busybody”? Do you know what “projecting” is? Here’s an example: You went over to the Deborah Johnson thread 2 mornings ago to stalk me, replying to a comment I wrote about VJ backing DJ as a strong black woman, and you said I was “racist”. Then you claimed I was stalking you, because I had commented in these Andy threads which you think certain people OWN. No, The Org owns them. Then you called Penny Purple “homophobic” because she said the truth, which is that ANDY LIKES WOMEN. There is so much that you don’t know. And people who DO know aren’t saying anything too specific, because we don’t want to hurt anyone. But to allow some illusory fantasy to continue which people’s minds are susceptible to taking in, born of your use of embellishing language and the way you see things without knowing anyone Prince knew, is also dishonest. Unfortunately, that is all I can say.

Andy does seem to be supporting same sex relationships more now.I think it's probably because she's been hurt so much by men she was in relationships with and she doesn't seem to trust them anymore.She said that she learned about heartbreak from Prince and she seemed to be very hurt by her last boyfriend as well.I saw that she retweeted something recently about losing faith in men.She seemed very in love and happy with her last boyfriend and they were together constantly in 2015 and all through 16.She didn't mention that she was in a relationship until after Prince passed but it was obvious through her social media posts.You seem to be implying that Andy left Prince for another woman but evidence suggests that it may have actually been Lamorne Morris.Prince often said at his shows in 2013 that his woman left him for "another brother" and then joked that she left him "for a girl." Perhaps she did both. Andy was openly talking with Lamorne on her IG through 2013. They were seen out together in LA at the end of 2014 and attended the GGs in January 2015.Dr F commented to her on IG that he had met Lamorne at one of her shows at Hotel Café and that he was "a class act." .It's their business anyway but they put some things out for public consumption which naturally lead to speculation.You keep insisting that there is so much we don't know and it's being withheld due to "not wanting to hurt anyone" but it's pretty obvious that you and others are implying that Prince caught Andy with another girl. As far as the discussion about their relationship,we were making observations about things presented to the public such as her letter written while they were together.Prince kept it for a reason known only to him.It was not meant for anyone but him to see and he most likely thought that no one else would know about it.

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

To this day, because of the way he dressed and wore his hair and make-up, many people still think that Prince liked men, but that doesn't make it true. It is no different with the gay rumors about Andy. And, BTW, Penny is more than capable of speaking for herself. I don't think she needs the likes of you trying to stir up trouble.

Also, for the record, here is what I directly responded to in your comments on the Debra Johnson thread: You said: And I’m getting more and more concerned that although Van has portrayed Phaedra as an effective, life-changing black woman, that is just him forwarding his/their own desires for success and image.

I simply asked the following: When did Van Jones ever make Phaedra's race an issue, as you seem to be doing here? I did not call you "racist," but, as they say, "If the shoe fits, wear it."

Now, I hope the moderators will not allow you to derail this thread, which is clearly your aim.

I honestly couldn’t even be bothered to your whole response. That’s necause I know the truth. I also have a life I actually live. Here’s the main thing I want to get across: It wasn’t all about Andy. I’m sorry.

I don't know. The way he was frequently tweeting about her from 2013-15,still releasing music they collaborated on along with full albums like Oui Can Luv that he organized a party at PP around,inviting the media to hear while projecting a huge image of her on the big screen and putting her photo up in the Galaxy Room,he seemed to want to give that impression for some reason.

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pinkcashmere23 said:

anangellooksdown said:

FlyOnTheWall said: Ah. So you have too much arrogance to respond directly to me, but you want to call me a “hateful busybody”? Do you know what “projecting” is? Here’s an example: You went over to the Deborah Johnson thread 2 mornings ago to stalk me, replying to a comment I wrote about VJ backing DJ as a strong black woman, and you said I was “racist”. Then you claimed I was stalking you, because I had commented in these Andy threads which you think certain people OWN. No, The Org owns them. Then you called Penny Purple “homophobic” because she said the truth, which is that ANDY LIKES WOMEN. There is so much that you don’t know. And people who DO know aren’t saying anything too specific, because we don’t want to hurt anyone. But to allow some illusory fantasy to continue which people’s minds are susceptible to taking in, born of your use of embellishing language and the way you see things without knowing anyone Prince knew, is also dishonest. Unfortunately, that is all I can say.

Andy does seem to be supporting same sex relationships more now.I think it's probably because she's been hurt so much by men she was in relationships with and she doesn't seem to trust them anymore.She said that she learned about heartbreak from Prince and she seemed to be very hurt by her last boyfriend as well.I saw that she retweeted something recently about losing faith in men.She seemed very in love and happy with her last boyfriend and they were together constantly in 2015 and all through 16.She didn't mention that she was in a relationship until after Prince passed but it was obvious through her social media posts.You seem to be implying that Andy left Prince for another woman but evidence suggests that it may have actually been Lamorne Morris.Prince often said at his shows in 2013 that his woman left him for "another brother" and then joked that she left him "for a girl." Perhaps she did both. Andy was openly talking with Lamorne on her IG through 2013. They were seen out together in LA at the end of 2014 and attended the GGs in January 2015.Dr F commented to her on IG that he had met Lamorne at one of her shows at Hotel Café and that he was "a class act." .It's their business anyway but they put some things out for public consumption which naturally lead to speculation.You keep insisting that there is so much we don't know and it's being withheld due to "not wanting to hurt anyone" but it's pretty obvious that you and others are implying that Prince caught Andy with another girl. As far as the discussion about their relationship,we were making observations about things presented to the public such as her letter written while they were together.Prince kept it for a reason known only to him.It was not meant for anyone but him to see and he most likely thought that no one else would know about it.

Huh? Nobody ever said that Prince caught Andy with another girl. I'm saying she dips in the lady pond. Angel didn't say that either.

pinkcashmere23 said:

PennyPurple said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Andy does seem to be supporting same sex relationships more now.I think it's probably because she's been hurt so much by men she was in relationships with and she doesn't seem to trust them anymore.She said that she learned about heartbreak from Prince and she seemed to be very hurt by her last boyfriend as well.I saw that she retweeted something recently about losing faith in men.She seemed very in love and happy with her last boyfriend and they were together constantly in 2015 and all through 16.She didn't mention that she was in a relationship until after Prince passed but it was obvious through her social media posts.You seem to be implying that Andy left Prince for another woman but evidence suggests that it may have actually been Lamorne Morris.Prince often said at his shows in 2013 that his woman left him for "another brother" and then joked that she left him "for a girl." Perhaps she did both. Andy was openly talking with Lamorne on her IG through 2013. They were seen out together in LA at the end of 2014 and attended the GGs in January 2015.Dr F commented to her on IG that he had met Lamorne at one of her shows at Hotel Café and that he was "a class act." .It's their business anyway but they put some things out for public consumption which naturally lead to speculation.You keep insisting that there is so much we don't know and it's being withheld due to "not wanting to hurt anyone" but it's pretty obvious that you and others are implying that Prince caught Andy with another girl. As far as the discussion about their relationship,we were making observations about things presented to the public such as her letter written while they were together.Prince kept it for a reason known only to him.It was not meant for anyone but him to see and he most likely thought that no one else would know about it.

Huh? Nobody ever said that Prince caught Andy with another girl. I'm saying she dips in the lady pond. Angel didn't say that either.

Regardless of what pond Andy is dipping in, I just hope she's happy and has peace of mind. I also wish her continued success.

PennyPurple said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Andy does seem to be supporting same sex relationships more now.I think it's probably because she's been hurt so much by men she was in relationships with and she doesn't seem to trust them anymore.She said that she learned about heartbreak from Prince and she seemed to be very hurt by her last boyfriend as well.I saw that she retweeted something recently about losing faith in men.She seemed very in love and happy with her last boyfriend and they were together constantly in 2015 and all through 16.She didn't mention that she was in a relationship until after Prince passed but it was obvious through her social media posts.You seem to be implying that Andy left Prince for another woman but evidence suggests that it may have actually been Lamorne Morris.Prince often said at his shows in 2013 that his woman left him for "another brother" and then joked that she left him "for a girl." Perhaps she did both. Andy was openly talking with Lamorne on her IG through 2013. They were seen out together in LA at the end of 2014 and attended the GGs in January 2015.Dr F commented to her on IG that he had met Lamorne at one of her shows at Hotel Café and that he was "a class act." .It's their business anyway but they put some things out for public consumption which naturally lead to speculation.You keep insisting that there is so much we don't know and it's being withheld due to "not wanting to hurt anyone" but it's pretty obvious that you and others are implying that Prince caught Andy with another girl. As far as the discussion about their relationship,we were making observations about things presented to the public such as her letter written while they were together.Prince kept it for a reason known only to him.It was not meant for anyone but him to see and he most likely thought that no one else would know about it.

Huh? Nobody ever said that Prince caught Andy with another girl. I'm saying she dips in the lady pond. Angel didn't say that either.

Right. Andy may very well be bi but she has publicly only dated men. Before Prince,she was with musician David Ott,who worked with her on her first album UnFresh.

anangellooksdown said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I don't know. The way he was frequently tweeting about her from 2013-15,still releasing music they collaborated on along with full albums like Oui Can Luv that he organized a party at PP around,inviting the media to hear and putting her photo up in the Galaxy Room,he seemed to want to give that impression for some reason.

He did those things for other people too. The protege factor was a big one for him since the music was his main thing.

He didn't put anyone else's framed photo in his favorite room at Paisley Park.

pinkcashmere23 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

anangellooksdown said:

pinkcashmere23 said: He did those things for other people too. The protege factor was a big one for him since the music was his main thing.

He didn't put anyone else's framed photo in his favorite room at Paisley Park.

To my knowledge, he didn't do any of these things for anyone else: frequently tweeting about her from 2013-15,still releasing music they collaborated on along with full albums like Oui Can Luv that he organized a party at PP around,inviting the media to hear and putting her photo up in the Galaxy Room. I think his actions speak even louder than the songs he wrote during his time with Andy. No need to argue with contrarian haters.

anangellooksdown said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

He didn't put anyone else's framed photo in his favorite room at Paisley Park.

Yes, this is the constant you keep going back to. Who said it was his favorite room? It had been painted over to a neutral color and there was a phone next to the photo. I don’t know anyone with a phone in their meditation room. He had photos of his associates everywhere. Andy was a very recent one and he was proud of her and wanted for her success.

Someone who was close to him said that it was his favorite room and that it was a shame that more people don't know about Andy and how special she was to him. Andy had not worked with him since 2013. Chris,Dr F's friend said that she had been a part of the vibe in Studio B for the last five years so maybe that was the reason.Prince was still releasing songs that she had done vocals on and seemingly inspired.

FlyOnTheWall said: