FlyOnTheWall said:

OF4S, will the "Andy Allo (and Prince) Appreciation Thread" be released or should I start a new one? Thanks in advance for your response.

*** MOD NOTE ***

Keep it all here

OF4S,a few of us were wondering if "Keep it all here." means that this thread is to be used to continue the appreciation thread? Can you clarify?

FlyOnTheWall said:

206Michelle said:

Kim says Prince and Andy dated when she talked about why P grew out the afro: https://youtu.be/g_yRodhAg3M. On AOA, P and AA do the duet "Time" which is very much suggestive of an intimate relationship. Andy said on instagram shortly after Prince died that Prince taught her about heartbreak. So I feel that the evidence is pretty clear that Andy was Prince's girlfriend for a period of time. Andy was a major collaborator/muse with Prince during 2011-2014. However, he also had other female collaborators/muses during this time, including Shelby J. (never his girlfriend), Damaris Lewis (never his girlfriend), Misty Copeland (never his girlfriend), Lala Escarzega (friend, unknown if she was his girlfriend), and Judith Hill (stated that she was his girlfriend). Until I hear confirmation from her, other members of the NPG, or Prince's inner circle that Andy was more than a girlfriend and collaborator/muse, I will believe that she was girlfriend and collaborator/muse. I feel that the reason the AA threads keep getting pulled are because of statements, such of the following, that make more of P and AA's relationship than what was actually there:

.

Prince and Andy Allo ~ 2011-2014, Source: http://prince.org/msg/7/4...amp;pg=38:

FlyOnTheWall, Reply #1137 posted 12/10/16 11:27am: Of course, Prince was a Jehovah's Witness, so his return to sexually charged lyrics, after more than a decade's absence, caused quite a stir. Many even believed that, for him to sing such songs, he must have secretly wed Andy Allo. Raising even more eyebrows, AA was, for a time, reportedly wearing a ring on her left ring finger.

[Edited 4/15/18 20:43pm]

206Michelle, please tell me what I said in the above quote that is not true. There was at least one actual thread here on the Org claiming that Prince had secretly wed Andy Allo, "Prince Married?"

http://prince.org/msg/7/379195

There was also the thread, "Is Prince shackin up with Andy."

http://prince.org/msg/5/366078?pr


So, I simply wrote what people were saying at the time. And, Prince's sexually charged lyrics on Art Official Age and HitnRun Phase 2 did cause quite a stir. Even Andrea Swensson, longtime MLPS journalist who often wrote about Prince in The Current, said in the UK documentary how struck she was that he was "singing about sex again" on those final albums.

Lastly, Michelle, I must say that I am beyond shocked at the way you have been coming at me about being a Prince/Andy enthusiast. You always seemed like such a decent person. And for you to try to justify the erasure of threads here on the Org about Prince and Andy with half-baked accusations against me is just jaw-dropping.

Why not just stick to your posts about Prince still being in love with Mayte, even though all the evidence makes it clear that, once Prince's divorce to Mayte was final, he severed all ties? Further, do you fact-check all the wild claims on those Mayte threads on which you seem to live? And, yes, I read lots of them, but I usually don't comment because I'm not trying to rain on folks' parades. I'm just saying, if non-accuracy and/or speculation was actually the basis for erasing threads on the Org, then ALL of the myriad "Prince was still in love with Mayte threads," on which you are a regular, would have also been pulled.

Whatever the case, I would just ask that you stay in your lane and back up off me. Peace.

[Edited 4/15/18 22:48pm]

Lastly, Michelle, I must say that I am beyond shocked at the way you have been coming at me about being a Prince/Andy enthusiast. You always seemed like such a decent person. And for you to try to justify the erasure of threads here on the Org about Prince and Andy with half-baked accusations against me is just jaw-dropping.
.

Fly, I'm not coming at you for being a Prince/Andy enthusiast nor am I justifying erasure of P/AA threads. I merely offered my opinion as to why I think the threads keep disappearing. In my opinion, the common pattern that I see, as someone who has participated in several of the pulled Andy Allo threads, is that there is over-the-top discussion of Prince and Andy Allo's relationship that goes well outside of known evidence (reality) at this time, beyond speculation, into the realm of fantasy. (If I'm wrong, the mods can feel free to delete this comment, and I won't take offense.) Perhaps, if discussion of P and AA's relationship were more measured, the threads would remain.

.......

There was at least one actual thread here on the Org claiming that Prince had secretly wed Andy Allo, "Prince Married?"

.

And this means what? People start rumors or speculation on here all of the time (e.g., Prince was murdered!). Rumors do not equal facts.

.

"Prince Married?" http://prince.org/msg/7/379195

This was a thread that Ozlumucucu started on 04/10/12. He/she started the thread with:

.

Then in reply 2, Ozlumucucu wrote "I know about that, but rumour is that he married Andy recently."

.

Ozlumucucu was one orger putting out a rumor, and that's all it was, a rumor.

.

Based on what Prince said during his own lifetime, as well as from documentation regarding the PRN Estate (http://www.mncourts.gov/InReTheEstateofPrinceRogersNelson.aspx), he had two wives: Mayte Garcia-Nelson and Manuela Testolini-Nelson; both marriages ended in divorce. He had many girlfriends, and Andy Allo was one of his girlfriends. She was also his collaborator and his muse. Whether a woman was a wife or a girlfriend or a collaborator or a muse is not a value judgement. It does not determine her worth as a person. All of these women have a place in the Purple Universe, some of them more prominent than others, but they all have a place.

.......

Why not just stick to your posts about Prince still being in love with Mayte, even though all the evidence makes it clear that, once Prince's divorce to Mayte was final, he severed all ties? Further, do you fact-check all the wild claims on those Mayte threads on which you seem to live? And, yes, I read lots of them, but I usually don't comment because I'm not trying to rain on folks' parades. I'm just saying, if non-accuracy and/or speculation was actually the basis for erasing threads on the Org, then ALL of the myriad "Prince was still in love with Mayte threads," on which you are a regular, would have also been pulled.

.

Fly, You've made clear how you feel about Mayte...you don't like her at all. You wrote the following on another thread:

'"Seems" is the operative word in your statement, LilaLiebe. My disdain for Mayte began after I watched Hollywood Exes, particularly the episode when she was lamenting the fact that she didn't have the lifestyle of the ex-wives of Eddie Murphy, Will Smith, R. Kelly, etc. BTW, I watched this after Prince's passing.'

(Source: FlyOnTheWall, Reply #96 posted 04/07/18 3:03pm, PRINCE'S former wife MAYTE will answer questions online from viewers worldwide, p. 4, http://prince.org/msg/5/453437)

.

I'm not going to derail this thread talking about Mayte, but since you mentioned her, I will reply. I am not the source of statements that Prince still had feelings for Mayte; rather, it was Dr. Funkenberry who stated this, and he is a very reputable source regarding Prince-related news, as I'm sure you are well aware. He was, after all, a de-facto publicist for Prince for the last 5+ years of P's life. I merely transcribed, word for word, what Dr. Funkenberry said on his Dr. Funk podcast from 09/14/2016:

.

Dr. Funk: "And now, other people have told Mayte that Prince still had deep feelings for her, recently. Although it didn't make sense to me when I was trying to get her into the 2011 LA shows, I told her to just come with me, and I'll get her a wristband, and everything will be cool. She wanted to do it proper to get permission from him to be there. And then, the thing was, is... Prince is not gonna be like, yeah, sure, let her come, have her pay, she can come. He [inaudible] gonna make her pay, she just had to show up. But her ego wouldn't let her come, and then put him on blast on social media to make it worse."

[The inaudible utterance is either "was" or "wasn't". I think it's "wasn't", as "wasn't" makes more sense in the context of the remarks, but I'm not 100% sure.]

.

Dr. Funk: "I think his ego, as much as he still cared for Mayte, wouldn't let her, wouldn't, his ego got in the way of him of even trying to reconcile with her or be together with her. But I still think he had feelings for her."

.

Chris: "Right."

.

Dr. Funk: "You know, um. It wasn't expressed to me. I'm sh [inaudible], it was expressed to women that were close to him in a platonic sense that he felt that way."

(Source: 206Michelle, Reply #630 posted 04/08/18 7:29pm, http://prince.org/msg/5/452536, p. 22, Mayte Garcia (and Prince) Appreciation thread).

.......

Now, back to Andy. I really like and respect Andy. It is frustrating for me that so many of the threads regarding her end up disappearing because I enjoy discussing her, and I think that she and Prince's music and relationship are worth discussing and appreciating. However, Fly, on various threads, I have observed you write in a manner about Prince and Andy that I regard to be over-the-top. That is my opinion, based upon my participation in some of the missing AA threads. It is also my opinion that, perhaps, if discussion of P and AA's relationship were more measured and grounded in reality, the Andy Allo-Prince threads would remain instead of disappearing.

[Edited 4/17/18 18:50pm]

I kinda wonder about her as well. This article/interview with her that she just posted was about mostly self-promotion and if you listen to the interview, she didn't get a chance to say what she actually felt about Prince's bandleading (I think she was getting ready to say he was rather tough) .The interviewer talked for her during that topic. She complimented his musical ability however. But none of that interview suggests anything more than respect for his talent and promotion of her own music.

I don't know what she feels about Prince deep down. I have no idea-- but whether she is singing at a Prince tribute or acting, it is still work and she picked the job that benefited her the most when it came up even when she had been scheduled to do the other one already. Whether she partly did it because tributes to Prince were depressing to her is hard to know. But one could argue quite reasonably that career is all she is looking at right now. Scratch the surface of her statement about missing Prince. It was made when she thought she was doing a tribute. I mean really "What else is she going to say?"... I hope it is sincere, but none of us know her. All I know is that she doesn't post randomly about Prince. (Judith actually (about a month ago) posted some random thing about Prince and it seemed sincere because it wasnt attached to anything self-promotional.).Now Andy has decided to not do the tribute in favor of an acting job that popped up. Maybe this was a hard decision for her that caused some guilt and her family encouraged her to not feel too bad---thus the reason she posted her little tribute to her supportive siblings that day she decided to pull out of the tribute. Her silence about a relationship with P (she posted briefly some allusions to it right after he died but not much since) could mean either it was a limited relationship, a painful relationship, a relationship she was long over with, or whatever. Who knows?

anangellooksdown said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

She seemed really excited about the shows last month when she made a short video that they posted on the NC2P FB and IG and she reposted their post about two of the shows.I believe she was to perform at two.Since she posted the new photo of her on set in Hollywood,she most likely had auditioned for a role before she left for her shows in Europe and was contacted while over there that she had gotten the part,causing her to make the decision to cancel her performances for NC2P.It must have happened right before the rehearsals in Minneapolis because Shelby was announcing that she would be there during her FB Live at the end of March.NC2P also posted the photo of she and Prince from R&R Love Affair on FB and said that she was coming.I guess Andy decided that accepting the acting job would be the better move for her career understandably.She probably would have continued with the shows as planned had she not gotten the part.Andy just tweeted an article about Prince by Peter Cook so she's not trying to disassociate herself from him.She also tweeted recently that she was missing him.

[Edited 4/14/18 7:59am]

“Understandably”? Yes, I understand it very well. It’s called putting myself before everyone else. No matter. Prince knew this about her.

purplerabbithole said:

I kinda wonder about her as well. This article/interview with her that she just posted was about mostly self-promotion and if you listen to the interview, she didn't get a chance to say what she actually felt about Prince's bandleading (I think she was getting ready to say he was rather tough) .The interviewer talked for her during that topic. She complimented his musical ability however. But none of that interview suggests anything more than respect for his talent and promotion of her own music.

I don't know what she feels about Prince deep down. I have no idea-- but whether she is singing at a Prince tribute or acting, it is still work and she picked the job that benefited her the most when it came up even when she had been scheduled to do the other one already. Whether she partly did it because tributes to Prince were depressing to her is hard to know. But one could argue quite reasonably that career is all she is looking at right now. Scratch the surface of her statement about missing Prince. It was made when she thought she was doing a tribute. I mean really "What else is she going to say?"... I hope it is sincere, but none of us know her. All I know is that she doesn't post randomly about Prince. (Judith actually (about a month ago) posted some random thing about Prince and it seemed sincere because it wasnt attached to anything self-promotional.).Now Andy has decided to not do the tribute in favor of an acting job that popped up. Maybe this was a hard decision for her that caused some guilt and her family encouraged her to not feel too bad---thus the reason she posted her little tribute to her supportive siblings that day she decided to pull out of the tribute. Her silence about a relationship with P (she posted briefly some allusions to it right after he died but not much since) could mean either it was a limited relationship, a painful relationship, a relationship she was long over with, or whatever. Who knows?

anangellooksdown said:

pinkcashmere23 said: “Understandably”? Yes, I understand it very well. It’s called putting myself before everyone else. No matter. Prince knew this about her.

I noticed the same things about the article and I'm honestly not sure that she would have posted it if her interview wasn't included in it.I noticed when Prince was here,she rarely posted about his projects and usually only did so when she was directly involved,such as with Breakdown,AOA and Oui Can Luv, where as he showed his support for every project she was involved with,including her online shows in 2014 and 15.Maybe she was trying to distance herself a bit from him then and didn't want to appear to be hung up on her time with him I don't know.There is an interview that she did while in Nigeria last summer where she did describe Prince as "a very tough bandleader"so she may have been getting ready to say that in the interview she did while in London as well.I always felt that Andy had mixed emotions about him and their relationship before he passed due to whatever happened between them.I feel that his passing probably complicated her feelings about things even more.She posted quite a bit about him in the months after and spoke openly about him and their relationship during her Music Mondays last year but now I get the feeling that she wants to move on. Also,she said that she was missing Prince in reply to someone she follows on Twitter.They posted that they were missing him and she replied "Same." and reposted it on her Twitter.

[Edited 4/18/18 6:12am]

[Edited 4/18/18 6:13am]

206Michelle said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

206Michelle, please tell me what I said in the above quote that is not true. There was at least one actual thread here on the Org claiming that Prince had secretly wed Andy Allo, "Prince Married?"

http://prince.org/msg/7/379195

There was also the thread, "Is Prince shackin up with Andy."

http://prince.org/msg/5/366078?pr


So, I simply wrote what people were saying at the time. And, Prince's sexually charged lyrics on Art Official Age and HitnRun Phase 2 did cause quite a stir. Even Andrea Swensson, longtime MLPS journalist who often wrote about Prince in The Current, said in the UK documentary how struck she was that he was "singing about sex again" on those final albums.

Lastly, Michelle, I must say that I am beyond shocked at the way you have been coming at me about being a Prince/Andy enthusiast. You always seemed like such a decent person. And for you to try to justify the erasure of threads here on the Org about Prince and Andy with half-baked accusations against me is just jaw-dropping.

Why not just stick to your posts about Prince still being in love with Mayte, even though all the evidence makes it clear that, once Prince's divorce to Mayte was final, he severed all ties? Further, do you fact-check all the wild claims on those Mayte threads on which you seem to live? And, yes, I read lots of them, but I usually don't comment because I'm not trying to rain on folks' parades. I'm just saying, if non-accuracy and/or speculation was actually the basis for erasing threads on the Org, then ALL of the myriad "Prince was still in love with Mayte threads," on which you are a regular, would have also been pulled.

Whatever the case, I would just ask that you stay in your lane and back up off me. Peace.

[Edited 4/15/18 22:48pm]

Lastly, Michelle, I must say that I am beyond shocked at the way you have been coming at me about being a Prince/Andy enthusiast. You always seemed like such a decent person. And for you to try to justify the erasure of threads here on the Org about Prince and Andy with half-baked accusations against me is just jaw-dropping.
.

Fly, I'm not coming at you for being a Prince/Andy enthusiast nor am I justifying erasure of P/AA threads. I merely offered my opinion as to why I think the threads keep disappearing. In my opinion, the common pattern that I see, as someone who has participated in several of the pulled Andy Allo threads, is that there is over-the-top discussion of Prince and Andy Allo's relationship that goes well outside of known evidence (reality) at this time, beyond speculation, into the realm of fantasy. (If I'm wrong, the mods can feel free to delete this comment, and I won't take offense.) Perhaps, if discussion of P and AA's relationship were more measured, the threads would remain.

.......

There was at least one actual thread here on the Org claiming that Prince had secretly wed Andy Allo, "Prince Married?"

.

And this means what? People start rumors or speculation on here all of the time (e.g., Prince was murdered!). Rumors do not equal facts.

.

"Prince Married?" http://prince.org/msg/7/379195

This was a thread that Ozlumucucu started on 04/10/12. He/she started the thread with:

"Prince married? Is this true?"

.

Then in reply 2, Ozlumucucu wrote "I know about that, but rumour is that he married Andy recently."

.

Ozlumucucu was one orger putting out a rumor, and that's all it was, a rumor.

.

Based on what Prince said during his own lifetime, as well as from documentation regarding the PRN Estate (http://www.mncourts.gov/InReTheEstateofPrinceRogersNelson.aspx), he had two wives: Mayte Garcia-Nelson and Manuela Testolini-Nelson; both marriages ended in divorce. He had many girlfriends, and Andy Allo was one of his girlfriends. She was also his collaborator and his muse. Whether a woman was a wife or a girlfriend or a collaborator or a muse is not a value judgement. It does not determine her worth as a person. All of these women have a place in the Purple Universe, some of them more prominent than others, but they all have a place.

.......

Why not just stick to your posts about Prince still being in love with Mayte, even though all the evidence makes it clear that, once Prince's divorce to Mayte was final, he severed all ties? Further, do you fact-check all the wild claims on those Mayte threads on which you seem to live? And, yes, I read lots of them, but I usually don't comment because I'm not trying to rain on folks' parades. I'm just saying, if non-accuracy and/or speculation was actually the basis for erasing threads on the Org, then ALL of the myriad "Prince was still in love with Mayte threads," on which you are a regular, would have also been pulled.

.

Fly, You've made clear how you feel about Mayte...you don't like her at all. You wrote the following on another thread:

'"Seems" is the operative word in your statement, LilaLiebe. My disdain for Mayte began after I watched Hollywood Exes, particularly the episode when she was lamenting the fact that she didn't have the lifestyle of the ex-wives of Eddie Murphy, Will Smith, R. Kelly, etc. BTW, I watched this after Prince's passing.'

(Source: FlyOnTheWall, Reply #96 posted 04/07/18 3:03pm, PRINCE'S former wife MAYTE will answer questions online from viewers worldwide, p. 4, http://prince.org/msg/5/453437)

.

I'm not going to derail this thread talking about Mayte, but since you mentioned her, I will reply. I am not the source of statements that Prince still had feelings for Mayte; rather, it was Dr. Funkenberry who stated this, and he is a very reputable source regarding Prince-related news, as I'm sure you are well aware. He was, after all, a de-facto publicist for Prince for the last 5+ years of P's life. I merely transcribed, word for word, what Dr. Funkenberry said on his Dr. Funk podcast from 09/14/2016:

.

Dr. Funk: "And now, other people have told Mayte that Prince still had deep feelings for her, recently. Although it didn't make sense to me when I was trying to get her into the 2011 LA shows, I told her to just come with me, and I'll get her a wristband, and everything will be cool. She wanted to do it proper to get permission from him to be there. And then, the thing was, is... Prince is not gonna be like, yeah, sure, let her come, have her pay, she can come. He [inaudible] gonna make her pay, she just had to show up. But her ego wouldn't let her come, and then put him on blast on social media to make it worse."

[The inaudible utterance is either "was" or "wasn't". I think it's "wasn't", as "wasn't" makes more sense in the context of the remarks, but I'm not 100% sure.]

.

Dr. Funk: "I think his ego, as much as he still cared for Mayte, wouldn't let her, wouldn't, his ego got in the way of him of even trying to reconcile with her or be together with her. But I still think he had feelings for her."

.

Chris: "Right."

.

Dr. Funk: "You know, um. It wasn't expressed to me. I'm sh [inaudible], it was expressed to women that were close to him in a platonic sense that he felt that way."

(Source: 206Michelle, Reply #630 posted 04/08/18 7:29pm, http://prince.org/msg/5/452536, p. 22, Mayte Garcia (and Prince) Appreciation thread).

.......

Now, back to Andy. I really like and respect Andy. It is frustrating for me that so many of the threads regarding her end up disappearing because I enjoy discussing her, and I think that she and Prince's music and relationship are worth discussing and appreciating. However, Fly, on various threads, I have observed you write in a manner about Prince and Andy that I regard to be over-the-top. That is my opinion, based upon my participation in some of the missing AA threads. It is also my opinion that, perhaps, if discussion of P and AA's relationship were more measured and grounded in reality, the Andy Allo-Prince threads would remain instead of disappearing.

[Edited 4/17/18 18:50pm]

The marriage rumors were fueled by Andy flaunting Prince's ring in the People Pleaser video.I remember Dr Funk being asked about it by a few posters on his website and he telling them that they weren't married but it caused them to talk,making some think that was the purpose of it.Her also wearing it in the R&R Love Affair video and he appearing with a baby fro caused more speculation.Andy is wearing the ring in the black and white photo of them together so she may have started wearing it summer/fall of 2012 and they decided to show it off in the videos for effect. As far as P having feelings for Mayte,I think enough associates have spoken about him talking often about her that I believe there is validity to it.

[Edited 4/17/18 22:36pm]

purplerabbithole said:

Why does it matter? Why does it matter who Prince loved, was in love with, was in a relationship with? Those that had relationships with him, I consider them blessed to have shared space with him. But he's gone. Their lives were blessed for a short time and he would move on, now it's time for them to move on. They can honor him in their moving on, validate his legacy, but for all of them, that part of their lives are over and can never be restarted. All of this, "he loved Mayte more", "he loved Denise more", "he loved Andy more", is all pure speculation. The only one who knows who he loved more isn't with us anymore to be able to say who he loved more. Can't we just agree that he loved them all, at various times in his life, when he needed that particular person in his life to bring whatever lesson, whatever inspiration, they brought to him?

I mean, it's ridiculous to have threads go on for hundreds and hundreds of posts, with a few trying to convince a majority, that the protegee or the muse they support is The One. It just doesn't matter anymore. In 3 days, it will be the 2 year anniversary of when WE (the fans that have stood by him through EVERY relationship he had, the fans that supported him through EVERY breakup, the fans that supported him throughout his career) lost our Muse. Who he loved more just isn't important. Remembering Prince, remembering his legacy, sharing that legacy to keep it alive, is.

I've thought this as well, benni, but you stated it far more eloquently than I could.

benni said:

Why does it matter? Why does it matter who Prince loved, was in love with, was in a relationship with? Those that had relationships with him, I consider them blessed to have shared space with him. But he's gone. Their lives were blessed for a short time and he would move on, now it's time for them to move on. They can honor him in their moving on, validate his legacy, but for all of them, that part of their lives are over and can never be restarted. All of this, "he loved Mayte more", "he loved Denise more", "he loved Andy more", is all pure speculation. The only one who knows who he loved more isn't with us anymore to be able to say who he loved more. Can't we just agree that he loved them all, at various times in his life, when he needed that particular person in his life to bring whatever lesson, whatever inspiration, they brought to him?

I mean, it's ridiculous to have threads go on for hundreds and hundreds of posts, with a few trying to convince a majority, that the protegee or the muse they support is The One. It just doesn't matter anymore. In 3 days, it will be the 2 year anniversary of when WE (the fans that have stood by him through EVERY relationship he had, the fans that supported him through EVERY breakup, the fans that supported him throughout his career) lost our Muse. Who he loved more just isn't important. Remembering Prince, remembering his legacy, sharing that legacy to keep it alive, is.

benni said:

benni said:

Why does it matter? Why does it matter who Prince loved, was in love with, was in a relationship with? Those that had relationships with him, I consider them blessed to have shared space with him. But he's gone. Their lives were blessed for a short time and he would move on, now it's time for them to move on. They can honor him in their moving on, validate his legacy, but for all of them, that part of their lives are over and can never be restarted. All of this, "he loved Mayte more", "he loved Denise more", "he loved Andy more", is all pure speculation. The only one who knows who he loved more isn't with us anymore to be able to say who he loved more. Can't we just agree that he loved them all, at various times in his life, when he needed that particular person in his life to bring whatever lesson, whatever inspiration, they brought to him?

I mean, it's ridiculous to have threads go on for hundreds and hundreds of posts, with a few trying to convince a majority, that the protegee or the muse they support is The One. It just doesn't matter anymore. In 3 days, it will be the 2 year anniversary of when WE (the fans that have stood by him through EVERY relationship he had, the fans that supported him through EVERY breakup, the fans that supported him throughout his career) lost our Muse. Who he loved more just isn't important. Remembering Prince, remembering his legacy, sharing that legacy to keep it alive, is.

Well said.I agree that it does get a bit silly to make a contest out of who he loved more before his passing and that he was the only one who knew that for sure.Honestly,he seemed to be exhibiting feelings for more than one former girlfriend during the P&M shows,starting with the first shows at PP where he began talking about "getting her out of my system." and playing a few of the songs inspired by Mayte.Then the tribute he did to Denise in February while in Australia.He was also playing several songs that were inspired by Susannah and some of the songs he and Andy performed as well.From the way he was speaking throughout the shows about relationships,he seemed to be having regrets about how some had turned out and as though he may have had some one in particular in mind while performing some of the songs and all of that has led to speculation.I think because he is no longer here,that fans have tried to fill in the pieces of the puzzle to try to gain some closure.I also believe that because of his absence,some fans have sided with their protege or woman of choice because it makes them feel closer to him by having a connection with someone who they feel was close to him.I have seen some make comments like that to Mayte,Shelby and Andy that being around them or talking with them makes them feel connected to him in some way.I agree with you that the most important thing now is his music and sharing it with others to keep his legacy alive.That is what he would most want,along with us continuing to support the artists that he was encouraging us to follow before he passed.

anangellooksdown said:

purplerabbithole said:

I kinda wonder about her as well. This article/interview with her that she just posted was about mostly self-promotion and if you listen to the interview, she didn't get a chance to say what she actually felt about Prince's bandleading (I think she was getting ready to say he was rather tough) .The interviewer talked for her during that topic. She complimented his musical ability however. But none of that interview suggests anything more than respect for his talent and promotion of her own music.

I don't know what she feels about Prince deep down. I have no idea-- but whether she is singing at a Prince tribute or acting, it is still work and she picked the job that benefited her the most when it came up even when she had been scheduled to do the other one already. Whether she partly did it because tributes to Prince were depressing to her is hard to know. But one could argue quite reasonably that career is all she is looking at right now. Scratch the surface of her statement about missing Prince. It was made when she thought she was doing a tribute. I mean really "What else is she going to say?"... I hope it is sincere, but none of us know her. All I know is that she doesn't post randomly about Prince. (Judith actually (about a month ago) posted some random thing about Prince and it seemed sincere because it wasnt attached to anything self-promotional.).Now Andy has decided to not do the tribute in favor of an acting job that popped up. Maybe this was a hard decision for her that caused some guilt and her family encouraged her to not feel too bad---thus the reason she posted her little tribute to her supportive siblings that day she decided to pull out of the tribute. Her silence about a relationship with P (she posted briefly some allusions to it right after he died but not much since) could mean either it was a limited relationship, a painful relationship, a relationship she was long over with, or whatever. Who knows?

Do people really not SEE...? LOL! Andy says a LOT...without saying a lot. Just stating the facts so people can WAKE UP a little bit...(smh) Andy has constantly mentioned Prince since his passing. And before it. Music Mondays: Shename-dropped him constantly in just about every single Music Monday since his passing...where eventually it got to the point where I was rolling my eyes. It was overkill. I enjoyed those shows a lot and I love Andy and her voice, but let’s get real here, lol... I’d have to be blind not to see this. i was finally like, can’t you do just ONE 20-minute performance independent of this? Interviews: In almost every single little interview since his passing, if the interviewer doesn’t ask about Prince, SHE will say it... Often she offers it quickly herself first. This has happened since long before he passed too, to the point that some time back, an interviewer actually kept nicely asking her to focus on HER music, not just her association with Prince. All over social media: Since his passing she has CONSTANTLY Re-tweeted OTHER people’s tweets about her and Prince. LOL, no...SHE doesn’t “SAY” it, but she does initiate MUCH discussion, doesn’t she? I mean, do people REALLY NOT SEE this? Lol! She has ALWAYS done these things. I guess that’s just the business. (?) And the reason she posted the photo of her family that day was to remind people that she has people around her. she was just pulling out of the Tribute Shows and she was setting a boundary. That’s why it was an old picture, not a current family happening. I mean, wake up, people. Don’t you know what you see? I’m just saying...... [Edited 4/18/18 5:30am]

As I mentioned in an earlier post,she was posting and talking about him quite a lot after his passing and during her MMs all of last year where she also sang several of the songs that they performed together but she put an end to it in November of last year.During her last StageIt in February,she performed a few songs from Oui Can Luv but after that,she has done no more.I noticed that the last time she made a post concerning him on IG was in January and before that she had posted a clip of her singing Story of You & I on his birthday last year along with a purple heart.Before that she hadn't made a post about him since last February when she posted the photo of them performing in Ghent.She was retweeting photos of them together quite a bit in January but that has since stopped as well.I followed Andy on social media in 2014 and 15 and with the exception of posts about AOA and Oui Can Luv, I don't recall her talking about him much.She didn't even post about Phase 2 which she was a part of and ignored questions concerning her involvement with it.I also don't remember an interviewer telling her to focus on herself instead of Prince.The only thing I recall that was similar to that was when she did the Funkatopia radio takeover and after he had played her selections from AOA,Mr.Christopher told her that he wanted to hear one of her songs and not just Prince and she chose People Pleaser.I have also not heard Andy bring up Prince first in any recent interviews.In fact in her interview she did with Amir Diamond from Houston's The Box that is on Youtube,he brought up Prince to her and told her that she had left that out of her job description and asked how she could forget to mention that.She most likely posted the photo of her with her siblings because it was National Siblings Day just as she did last year.

pinkcashmere23 said:

benni said:

Why does it matter? Why does it matter who Prince loved, was in love with, was in a relationship with? Those that had relationships with him, I consider them blessed to have shared space with him. But he's gone. Their lives were blessed for a short time and he would move on, now it's time for them to move on. They can honor him in their moving on, validate his legacy, but for all of them, that part of their lives are over and can never be restarted. All of this, "he loved Mayte more", "he loved Denise more", "he loved Andy more", is all pure speculation. The only one who knows who he loved more isn't with us anymore to be able to say who he loved more. Can't we just agree that he loved them all, at various times in his life, when he needed that particular person in his life to bring whatever lesson, whatever inspiration, they brought to him?

I mean, it's ridiculous to have threads go on for hundreds and hundreds of posts, with a few trying to convince a majority, that the protegee or the muse they support is The One. It just doesn't matter anymore. In 3 days, it will be the 2 year anniversary of when WE (the fans that have stood by him through EVERY relationship he had, the fans that supported him through EVERY breakup, the fans that supported him throughout his career) lost our Muse. Who he loved more just isn't important. Remembering Prince, remembering his legacy, sharing that legacy to keep it alive, is.

Well said.I agree that it does get a bit silly to make a contest out of who he loved more before his passing and that he was the only one who knew that for sure.Honestly,he seemed to be exhibiting feelings for more than one former girlfriend during the P&M shows,starting with the first shows at PP where he began talking about "getting her out of my system." and playing a few of the songs inspired by Mayte.Then the tribute he did to Denise in February while in Australia.He was also playing several songs that were inspired by Susannah and some of the songs he and Andy performed as well.From the way he was speaking throughout the shows about relationships,he seemed to be having regrets about how some had turned out and as though he may have had some one in particular in mind while performing some of the songs and all of that has led to speculation.I think because he is no longer here,that fans have tried to fill in the pieces of the puzzle to try to gain some closure.I also believe that because of his absence,some fans have sided with their protege or woman of choice because it makes them feel closer to him by having a connection with someone who they feel was close to him.I have seen some make comments like that to Mayte,Shelby and Andy that being around them or talking with them makes them feel connected to him in some way.I agree with you that the most important thing now is his music and sharing it with others to keep his legacy alive.That is what he would most want,along with us continuing to support the artists that he was encouraging us to follow before he passed.

I don't need to analyze every little thing he said in relation to his women. I was there to see him, not to hear him talk about others. I know a lot of people put a lot of store in "this song was about this one", "that one was about that one", but I remember, iirc, one time in which Prince said that he'd hear rumors that this one or that one was stating the song was about them, when in fact the song was about something else entirely, or was written with a very specific project in mind (not protegee). But he'd hear them saying it was about them and he just wouldn't correct them, because EVERYONE puts their own interpretation on the song, and makes it about what they want it to be about, who they want it to be about. (That's paraphrased.) And to be honest, it never mattered to me who he wrote the song about.

A part of the magic with music is if we (the listener) can develop an emotional bond with the song, if it can mean something to us, something that defines a moment in our life, a special event, a certain someone. I don't need to know who Prince loved more to find closure over his passing. Knowing that is not going to bring closure to anyone. Prince's passing isn't tied to who he loved, therefore, he could love everyone, and it wouldn't matter when he still isn't here with us.

Knowing who he loved more will not bring any closure. It's just merely romanticizing a tragic event. And he deserves more than that.

stlmuziqlvr said:

I've thought this as well, benni, but you stated it far more eloquently than I could.

benni said:

Why does it matter? Why does it matter who Prince loved, was in love with, was in a relationship with? Those that had relationships with him, I consider them blessed to have shared space with him. But he's gone. Their lives were blessed for a short time and he would move on, now it's time for them to move on. They can honor him in their moving on, validate his legacy, but for all of them, that part of their lives are over and can never be restarted. All of this, "he loved Mayte more", "he loved Denise more", "he loved Andy more", is all pure speculation. The only one who knows who he loved more isn't with us anymore to be able to say who he loved more. Can't we just agree that he loved them all, at various times in his life, when he needed that particular person in his life to bring whatever lesson, whatever inspiration, they brought to him?

I mean, it's ridiculous to have threads go on for hundreds and hundreds of posts, with a few trying to convince a majority, that the protegee or the muse they support is The One. It just doesn't matter anymore. In 3 days, it will be the 2 year anniversary of when WE (the fans that have stood by him through EVERY relationship he had, the fans that supported him through EVERY breakup, the fans that supported him throughout his career) lost our Muse. Who he loved more just isn't important. Remembering Prince, remembering his legacy, sharing that legacy to keep it alive, is.

Thanks, stlmuziqlvr!

rogifan said:

benni said:

Why does it matter? Why does it matter who Prince loved, was in love with, was in a relationship with? Those that had relationships with him, I consider them blessed to have shared space with him. But he's gone. Their lives were blessed for a short time and he would move on, now it's time for them to move on. They can honor him in their moving on, validate his legacy, but for all of them, that part of their lives are over and can never be restarted. All of this, "he loved Mayte more", "he loved Denise more", "he loved Andy more", is all pure speculation. The only one who knows who he loved more isn't with us anymore to be able to say who he loved more. Can't we just agree that he loved them all, at various times in his life, when he needed that particular person in his life to bring whatever lesson, whatever inspiration, they brought to him?

I mean, it's ridiculous to have threads go on for hundreds and hundreds of posts, with a few trying to convince a majority, that the protegee or the muse they support is The One. It just doesn't matter anymore. In 3 days, it will be the 2 year anniversary of when WE (the fans that have stood by him through EVERY relationship he had, the fans that supported him through EVERY breakup, the fans that supported him throughout his career) lost our Muse. Who he loved more just isn't important. Remembering Prince, remembering his legacy, sharing that legacy to keep it alive, is.

Very well said. I wish this could be a pinned comment at the top of the forum.

Thanks, rogifan. But I doubt it will do any good with those that want to romanticize their favorites and his heart.

benni said:

Thanks, rogifan. But I doubt it will do any good with those that want to romanticize their favorites and his heart.

You are right and the microanalysis will continue on no doubt. Could care less about the women, it was and still is all about him as far as I am concerned.

benni said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Well said.I agree that it does get a bit silly to make a contest out of who he loved more before his passing and that he was the only one who knew that for sure.Honestly,he seemed to be exhibiting feelings for more than one former girlfriend during the P&M shows,starting with the first shows at PP where he began talking about "getting her out of my system." and playing a few of the songs inspired by Mayte.Then the tribute he did to Denise in February while in Australia.He was also playing several songs that were inspired by Susannah and some of the songs he and Andy performed as well.From the way he was speaking throughout the shows about relationships,he seemed to be having regrets about how some had turned out and as though he may have had some one in particular in mind while performing some of the songs and all of that has led to speculation.I think because he is no longer here,that fans have tried to fill in the pieces of the puzzle to try to gain some closure.I also believe that because of his absence,some fans have sided with their protege or woman of choice because it makes them feel closer to him by having a connection with someone who they feel was close to him.I have seen some make comments like that to Mayte,Shelby and Andy that being around them or talking with them makes them feel connected to him in some way.I agree with you that the most important thing now is his music and sharing it with others to keep his legacy alive.That is what he would most want,along with us continuing to support the artists that he was encouraging us to follow before he passed.

I don't need to analyze every little thing he said in relation to his women. I was there to see him, not to hear him talk about others. I know a lot of people put a lot of store in "this song was about this one", "that one was about that one", but I remember, iirc, one time in which Prince said that he'd hear rumors that this one or that one was stating the song was about them, when in fact the song was about something else entirely, or was written with a very specific project in mind (not protegee). But he'd hear them saying it was about them and he just wouldn't correct them, because EVERYONE puts their own interpretation on the song, and makes it about what they want it to be about, who they want it to be about. (That's paraphrased.) And to be honest, it never mattered to me who he wrote the song about.

A part of the magic with music is if we (the listener) can develop an emotional bond with the song, if it can mean something to us, something that defines a moment in our life, a special event, a certain someone. I don't need to know who Prince loved more to find closure over his passing. Knowing that is not going to bring closure to anyone. Prince's passing isn't tied to who he loved, therefore, he could love everyone, and it wouldn't matter when he still isn't here with us.

Knowing who he loved more will not bring any closure. It's just merely romanticizing a tragic event. And he deserves more than that.

That's true.I remember him talking about that in some interviews as well.I don't think that there's anything wrong with wondering who the inspiration was behind a certain song or appreciating what the person brought to his life during that time.The song might not even exist without that person as the inspiration.The women in his life were such an inspiration for him creatively,that they can't really be left out of the equation.I am referring to the songs that were confirmed to be about a certain love interest such as the ones written about Denise,Susannah,Anna,Mayte and Mani.Also the songs that were written with someone else like those with Sheila,Tamar and Andy.During the P&M shows he was talking before,during and after performing some of the songs,saying things like,"She didn't like this one." and "One more and maybe I'll have her out of my system." Talking like that caused speculation while the shows were going on and it continues even now.Some fans are finding some closure in spending time with a few of his loved ones and band mates.Mayte describes her belly dancing classes as a time to heal.Other associates like Shelby,Cassie and Andy have all done FB Q&A's as a way to connect.Every one heals differently and if that helps some to feel closer to him and gain some closure,I think that's great.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Fly won't jump in, OF4S sent her on vacation-see post 81

Susu1976 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

That's true.I remember him talking about that in some interviews as well.I don't think that there's anything wrong with wondering who the inspiration was behind a certain song or appreciating what the person brought to his life during that time.The song might not even exist without that person as the inspiration.The women in his life were such an inspiration for him creatively,that they can't really be left out of the equation.I am referring to the songs that were confirmed to be about a certain love interest such as the ones written about Denise,Susannah,Anna,Mayte and Mani.Also the songs that were written with someone else like those with Sheila,Tamar and Andy.During the P&M shows he was talking before,during and after performing some of the songs,saying things like,"She didn't like this one." and "One more and maybe I'll have her out of my system." Talking like that caused speculation while the shows were going on and it continues even now.Some fans are finding some closure in spending time with a few of his loved ones and band mates.Mayte describes her belly dancing classes as a time to heal.Other associates like Shelby,Cassie and Andy have all done FB Q&A's as a way to connect.Every one heals differently and if that helps some to feel closer to him and gain some closure,I think that's great.

Then why is it that you feel the need to rehash the Andy Allo stories over and over again? You never offer anything of substance as you don't offer information people don't already know and furthermore you offer some assumptions that are as far removed from the truth as they could possibly be. I threw at you point blank certain incidents because they were in direct contrast with your story. You dismissed all of them with a mere 'Oh, maybe their relationship wasn't serious yet'. I hate to break it to you but that's not the explanation. You and Fly have a strategy which is to spin, cherry pick, conflate, ignore, attack... whatever it takes to keep the narrative on a straight and narrow, on your little Goldilocks Zone, if you will, so that nothing will stray and maybe put you in a position where you get challenged. When you do, you brush it of in the hopes people will forget and wait a bit and continue on the same shit or ever so slightly modify your storyline. So everyone I the back can hear: No, they were not engaged at any time, nor were they ever going to be. That ring you and Fly fuss over was never given to Andy by Prince. I find it unfathomable that you two have this much time all day, every day to use your energy on something that doesn't affect you in any way, that isn't your business in the slightest. Go outside for a walk, read a book, stare at the wall. Anything is healthier than what y'all engage in. It's quite pathetic. You keep threads alive by complaining how threads get pulled. You post same shit over and over again without anything but assumptions and your desired stories behind them. That does not a valid conclusion make on actual truth. And before Fly jumps in with the oh, so mature response of jealousy, don't bother. Andy Allo has nothing on me and throw that passive-aggressive crap at someone who cares what you have to say because I sure as hell don't.

I said that I do have interest in who inspired certain songs.It was never confirmed that Andy was the inspiration for any released song but they did write Time and WIFL together.As I have posted before I have only posted about actual occurrences.Things that I know actually happened or about social media posts that either Prince,AA or an associate of his made and posted for all to see.I have no strategy or agenda when it comes to Andy and Prince gave enough indication that he cared about her that it speaks for itself.His tweets about her,what his associates have said,the songs they wrote together and leaving her photo up at PP is enough for me to know that she was special to him in some way.Andy was wearing Prince's diamond pinky ring for a time in 2012.Dr Funk acknowledged it on his site back then.I love the music that he and Andy did together and I thought they were cute together onstage summer of 2011 and some of 12.Prince was still pulling from their work togther and sharing it with us on his albums but unless you know different,they were no longer dating and Andy was seeing another man in 2015 and 16 so what does it matter? It's not like they were still together.I do remember that you posted something about Prince not being in to Andy when they performed in Helsinki yet I saw a comment that a journalist from there made to Andy in one of her IG posts and she said their performance was fire.

[Edited 4/18/18 18:10pm]

[Edited 4/19/18 6:32am]

Mumio said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Susu1976 said:

Susu1976 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

As I have posted before I have only posted about actual occurrences.Things that I know actually happened or about social media posts that either Prince,AA or an associate of his made and posted for all to see.I have no strategy or agenda when it comes to Andy and Prince gave enough indication that he cared about her that it speaks for itself.His tweets about her,what his associates have said,the songs they wrote together and leaving her photo up at PP is enough for me to know that she was special to him in some way.

You failed to address one thing I put before you. You gave the standard non-answer. Then again, so what else is new? You can play cool, uninvested and superficial in your motives for posting all you want but your history speaks volumes to the contrary. One piece of advice: Don't play games with people who are smarter than you. You never know what someone might know. When you underestimate other people's intelligence it will come back and bite you in the ass. These things will always catch up with you. Have a good evening.

Why are you so concerned with what I post? I have no influence.I'm just posting my opinions as have others.I would suggest that you address the ones who have some influence in the fan community like Kim Berry,Hannah Welton,Justine Walpole and Dr Funk all who have suggested that Andy is someone who was special to Prince.To clarify once again,Prince dated Andy from 2011-2013 and they were still seeing each other off and on in 2014 from the way it appeared.They were no longer dating in 2015 and 16 and Andy had a boyfriend and Prince was supposedly with Judith. I am not saying that Prince and Andy were still together romantically but it did look like they were planning to work together again.I also have no interest in what was going on with their relationship behind the scenes but you seem to.I'm content with the details that Andy has shared with us of some of their private moments.It seems they had a very sweet relationship at one time from what she has said.

[Edited 4/19/18 10:27am]

Susu1976 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Susu1976 said:

I think Andy wants to move on with her life past any grief and association with the Prince camp and I can't blame her. She's young and has a whole life time ahead of her. That might be good advice for others not in the Prince camp at all...

Susu1976 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Why are you so concerned with what I post? I have no influence.I'm just posting my opinions as have others.I would suggest that you address the ones who have some influence in the fan community like Kim Berry,Hannah Welton,Justine Walpole and Dr Funk all who have suggested that Andy is someone who was special to Prince.To clarify once again,Prince dated Andy from 2011-2013 and they were still seeing each other off and on in 2014 from the way it appeared.They were no longer dating in 2015 and 16 and Andy had a boyfriend and Prince was supposedly with Judith. I am not saying that Prince and Andy were still together romantically but it did look like they were planning to work together again.

I'm concerned about your posts because you LIE. Simple as that. Get over it and deal with it. You don't know shit and you just lied on the post above.

As I said before,I have no influence so what does it matter? Talk to Kim Berry.She's the one who just told Andrea Swenson that Prince dating Andy was the reason he went natural.What exactly did I lie about? Hannah and her inlaws alluded in posts made on Andy's old FB to Andy and Prince dating.Look yourself.It's still up and Andy is wearing Prince's tunic in the header.Justine commented on Andy's IG post with the tribute photo that she loves the photo that she took of them and their "happiness was so true that day."She also posted two hearts together as her comment for Andy's last photo that she posted of them together.It wasn't just Dr Funk saying these things.Since you claim to have known Prince personally or someone who was close to him,you may have inside knowledge about their relationship that I am not aware of.As I have said before,I did not know him or anyone who was close to him and am only sharing facts that I know of their work relationship,such as information that was shared by Andy or Prince in interviews or social media posts.I am not that interested in what went on behind the scenes other than information on studio recordings concerning their song collaborations that only Andy would be able to provide.

[Edited 4/19/18 12:18pm]