Absolutely

vandeluca said:

Absolutely...Just not wanting to quiet anyone either to stop people from sharing.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince kept a lot of the issue from all of those people as well, except for his yes man Kirk

Whether they were currently in the band or long time friends from band before

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And he kept it a secret for a reason.

We were all shocked. We all knew something was wrong when those images of his sunken face began appearing. None of us knew of the pain killer drug, did we? And neither did Lisa, Morris, Sheila, Shelby, Apollonia or the Twins

OldFriends4Sale said:

Absolutely

vandeluca said:

Absolutely...Just not wanting to quiet anyone either to stop people from sharing.

OldFriends: Right on with all of your points here. Everyone in Prince's past - from 1978 onward - is being questioned about this situation. Lisa said nothing that has not already been said. Susannah also stated, during her interview with Toure, that she knew something wasn't right - especially the couple of years prior to his death when there was a more telling decline. Regarding the 10 year span, even pictures going back to 2008-2009 seem to show a phsyical difference starting to happen in his facial features. With hindsight being 20/20, it's possibel to see when things may have started with the meds.

vandeluca said:

Sure not the prettiest interview I have ever heard her give...Perhaps she could have chosen words differently. Come on though, we are ALL guilty of that.

But we are the same ones that love knowing any and all we can about Prince....For me, good and bad. I would say that Lisa "hearing" things about Prince is probably more accurate than any of us "hearing" anytyhing or stories. She will always have connections to his camps in some shape or form. She probably did hear from an excellent sources. Something different about her friend.

I don't think we should ever stop any of these people from talking or being shamed into silence. They all have their stories to tell, and it from THEIR point of view...and I for one like to at least have the opportunity to read them all and discern for myself. Privacy is important on this Earth...I think overall he had his privacy as much as he could . Just IMO.

[Edited 4/12/18 7:01am]

Right on!! Agree with all of your sentiments here

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Absolutely

OldFriends: Right on with all of your points here. Everyone in Prince's past - from 1978 onward - is being questioned about this situation. Lisa said nothing that has not already been said. Susannah also stated, during her interview with Toure, that she knew something wasn't right - especially the couple of years prior to his death when there was a more telling decline. Regarding the 10 year span, even pictures going back to 2008-2009 seem to show a phsyical difference starting to happen in his facial features. With hindsight being 20/20, it's possibel to see when things may have started with the meds.

I don't know how true it is, but I know there is truth to it, but a member here who is a hair dresser/stylist, said when he started growing out the fro(when it was bigger) she could tell something was wrong with his health by his hair.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Age will make hair thin. I am not sure that indicative of anything. I would say how messy his fro had gotten and how he kept it in a beanie seems to indicate something was changing in the man.

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I don't know how true it is, but I know there is truth to it, but a member here who is a hair dresser/stylist, said when he started growing out the fro(when it was bigger) she could tell something was wrong with his health by his hair.

That makes sense. In 2015/2016 the fro became visibly thinner.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Prince kept a lot of the issue from all of those people as well, except for his yes man Kirk

Whether they were currently in the band or long time friends from band before

.

And he kept it a secret for a reason.

We were all shocked. We all knew something was wrong when those images of his sunken face began appearing. None of us knew of the pain killer drug, did we? And neither did Lisa, Morris, Sheila, Shelby, Apollonia or the Twins

Exactly.

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Absolutely

OldFriends: Right on with all of your points here. Everyone in Prince's past - from 1978 onward - is being questioned about this situation. Lisa said nothing that has not already been said. Susannah also stated, during her interview with Toure, that she knew something wasn't right - especially the couple of years prior to his death when there was a more telling decline. Regarding the 10 year span, even pictures going back to 2008-2009 seem to show a phsyical difference starting to happen in his facial features. With hindsight being 20/20, it's possibel to see when things may have started with the meds.

I remember during the Lotusflower period he was looking really thin. A lot of pictures made him look almost 'alien' like. And I'm not saying that as a put down. I know being in his 50s and wanting to stay slim and trim had some to do with it...

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Then at the beginning of the Welcome 2 Europe tours, Prince was clearly working out, he was showing his build(his arms and opening his shirt(something he hadn't done in a long time) he was clearly working out, then by growing out of the fro, I chalked it up to age and Prince's night owl lifestyle(get some sleep Prince, eat and sleep more...I was glad that he took those 2-3yrs before releasing another album) but it was clear by a certain point something was wrong. That emergency landing visit to the hospital really confirmed it.

Its funny when I looked back at archives from this site about Prince and skinniness, people seemed only a tiny bit worried in 2009.. IN 2009, he was rail thin but he was active and working. So I think fans thought if he was healthy enough to work as hard as he did and he had his wits, he would work his way through the problem and eventually get surgery so he could still perform. As you know, there were articles about his pill popping back then. I read some of those archives on here as well...people were a tad worried but they were'nt talking about him dying. They were more irritated that he wasn't just getting surgery and thought he would become a cripple.. All Lisa might have been saying was that Prince was messing around with drugs rather than getting surgery...but I doubt she sensed that he was going to croak because of it. Plus, if he seemed alright to her around 2011, she probably thought he had improved. One thing I will say is that I wish people had the guts, the means, the insight, and the direct connections to Prince to offer their help. I do think people (on the inside) let him down but I don't know if there was much people like Lisa could do. Hell, maybe she was in disbelief at the time because it seemed so unlike him. And looking back in retrospect, she started thinking more about those initial drug rumors.

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

OldFriends: Right on with all of your points here. Everyone in Prince's past - from 1978 onward - is being questioned about this situation. Lisa said nothing that has not already been said. Susannah also stated, during her interview with Toure, that she knew something wasn't right - especially the couple of years prior to his death when there was a more telling decline. Regarding the 10 year span, even pictures going back to 2008-2009 seem to show a phsyical difference starting to happen in his facial features. With hindsight being 20/20, it's possibel to see when things may have started with the meds.

I remember during the Lotusflower period he was looking really thin. A lot of pictures made him look almost 'alien' like. And I'm not saying that as a put down. I know being in his 50s and wanting to stay slim and trim had some to do with it...

.

Then at the beginning of the Welcome 2 Europe tours, Prince was clearly working out, he was showing his build(his arms and opening his shirt(something he hadn't done in a long time) he was clearly working out, then by growing out of the fro, I chalked it up to age and Prince's night owl lifestyle(get some sleep Prince, eat and sleep more...I was glad that he took those 2-3yrs before releasing another album) but it was clear by a certain point something was wrong. That emergency landing visit to the hospital really confirmed it.

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[Edited 4/14/18 7:08am]

purplerabbithole said:

purplerabbithole said:

Its funny when I looked back at archives from this site about Prince and skinniness, people seemed only a tiny bit worried in 2009.. IN 2009, he was rail thin but he was active and working. So I think fans thought if he was healthy enough to work as hard as he did and he had his wits, he would work his way through the problem and eventually get surgery so he could still perform. As you know, there were articles about his pill popping back then. I read some of those archives on here as well...people were a tad worried but they were'nt talking about him dying. They were more irritated that he wasn't just getting surgery and thought he would become a cripple.. All Lisa might have been saying was that Prince was messing around with drugs rather than getting surgery...but I doubt she sensed that he was going to croak because of it. Plus, if he seemed alright to her around 2011, she probably thought he had improved. One thing I will say is that I wish people had the guts, the means, the insight, and the direct connections to Prince to offer their help. I do think people (on the inside) let him down but I don't know if there was much people like Lisa could do. Hell, maybe she was in disbelief at the time because it seemed so unlike him. And looking back in retrospect, she started thinking more about those initial drug rumors.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I remember during the Lotusflower period he was looking really thin. A lot of pictures made him look almost 'alien' like. And I'm not saying that as a put down. I know being in his 50s and wanting to stay slim and trim had some to do with it...

.

Then at the beginning of the Welcome 2 Europe tours, Prince was clearly working out, he was showing his build(his arms and opening his shirt(something he hadn't done in a long time) he was clearly working out, then by growing out of the fro, I chalked it up to age and Prince's night owl lifestyle(get some sleep Prince, eat and sleep more...I was glad that he took those 2-3yrs before releasing another album) but it was clear by a certain point something was wrong. That emergency landing visit to the hospital really confirmed it.

[Edited 4/14/18 7:05am]

[Edited 4/14/18 7:08am]

Purplerabbithole: Right on. Hindsight is almost always 20/20, unfortunately. I really don't think anyone could have intervened. I don't think Prince ever fully trusted anyone

[Edited 4/17/18 9:07am]

violetcrush said:

purplerabbithole said:

Its funny when I looked back at archives from this site about Prince and skinniness, people seemed only a tiny bit worried in 2009.. IN 2009, he was rail thin but he was active and working. So I think fans thought if he was healthy enough to work as hard as he did and he had his wits, he would work his way through the problem and eventually get surgery so he could still perform. As you know, there were articles about his pill popping back then. I read some of those archives on here as well...people were a tad worried but they were'nt talking about him dying. They were more irritated that he wasn't just getting surgery and thought he would become a cripple.. All Lisa might have been saying was that Prince was messing around with drugs rather than getting surgery...but I doubt she sensed that he was going to croak because of it. Plus, if he seemed alright to her around 2011, she probably thought he had improved. One thing I will say is that I wish people had the guts, the means, the insight, and the direct connections to Prince to offer their help. I do think people (on the inside) let him down but I don't know if there was much people like Lisa could do. Hell, maybe she was in disbelief at the time because it seemed so unlike him. And looking back in retrospect, she started thinking more about those initial drug rumors.

[Edited 4/14/18 7:05am]

[Edited 4/14/18 7:08am]

Purplerabbithole: Right on. Hindsight is almost always 20/20, unfortunately. I really don't think anyone could have intervened. I don't think Prince ever fully trusted anyone

[Edited 4/17/18 9:07am]

I think it goes beyond your comment that you don't feel Prince fully trusted people. It appears to me to be control issues. He felt the need to control every aspect. Usually, people that I have known with control issues will not take advice/help from anyone.

Trust issues/control issues--the flip side of the same coin often. My dad is control freak--he came from a crazy slightly unstable childhood (fighting parents, constant moving, siblings with alcohol and drug problems). he doesn't trust people either at times. Control means you feel like you are on your own and it means you don't trust people to come through for you the way you think you need them to without you controlling the scenarios and situations in your life.

leec1 said:

violetcrush said:

Purplerabbithole: Right on. Hindsight is almost always 20/20, unfortunately. I really don't think anyone could have intervened. I don't think Prince ever fully trusted anyone

[Edited 4/17/18 9:07am]

I think it goes beyond your comment that you don't feel Prince fully trusted people. It appears to me to be control issues. He felt the need to control every aspect. Usually, people that I have known with control issues will not take advice/help from anyone.

[Edited 4/17/18 20:17pm]

OK, done with both Lisa & Wendy, they won't get any more spins from me----Done, Done, Done

leec1 said:

violetcrush said:

Purplerabbithole: Right on. Hindsight is almost always 20/20, unfortunately. I really don't think anyone could have intervened. I don't think Prince ever fully trusted anyone

[Edited 4/17/18 9:07am]

I think it goes beyond your comment that you don't feel Prince fully trusted people. It appears to me to be control issues. He felt the need to control every aspect. Usually, people that I have known with control issues will not take advice/help from anyone.

I agree, but that also ties in with trust issues. He had both control and trust issues. If you cannot bring yourself to fully trust anyone then you will want to control everything - especially personal matters.

BEAUGARDE said:

OK, done with both Lisa & Wendy, they won't get any more spins from me----Done, Done, Done

Really??? Wow. That's just silly

purplerabbithole said:

Its funny when I looked back at archives from this site about Prince and skinniness, people seemed only a tiny bit worried in 2009.. IN 2009, he was rail thin but he was active and working. So I think fans thought if he was healthy enough to work as hard as he did and he had his wits, he would work his way through the problem and eventually get surgery so he could still perform. As you know, there were articles about his pill popping back then. I read some of those archives on here as well...people were a tad worried but they were'nt talking about him dying. They were more irritated that he wasn't just getting surgery and thought he would become a cripple.. All Lisa might have been saying was that Prince was messing around with drugs rather than getting surgery...but I doubt she sensed that he was going to croak because of it. Plus, if he seemed alright to her around 2011, she probably thought he had improved. One thing I will say is that I wish people had the guts, the means, the insight, and the direct connections to Prince to offer their help. I do think people (on the inside) let him down but I don't know if there was much people like Lisa could do. Hell, maybe she was in disbelief at the time because it seemed so unlike him. And looking back in retrospect, she started thinking more about those initial drug rumors.

It looks like the videos are gone now (this thread), but I think I remember in the org interview with W&L someone asking them about his hip problems. If I recall correctly (now i'm paraphrasing a memory from 9 years ago here) they said back then that they didn't know anything for sure but they had heard rumours on the grapevine about hip pain and painkillers and then they said that they hope he's doing ok. Not a lot of detail I know but I remember being a bit surprised back then that they were giving those rumours credence.

[Edited 4/25/18 7:25am]

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is nothing any of you have not heard already. She's shocked about the use for his hip issues.
What is so damning about that? A lot of people were originally shocked or in denial because they just did not even believe he had hip surgery, and would never ever take any kind of drug. Into 2016 after he died there were many people still denying he even had hip surgery. Uh we know via Cat that he did X in the late 80s. There are people who denied that Prince drank alchohol. Uh wow, they should be mad at Jerome Benton for talking about Prince drinking red wine during the Under the Cherry Moon/Parade period/France period.

.

Yes, it happens, when people are in pain, and try to manage it themselves, then tend to go overboard to keep on truckin

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There is no judgement on Prince, there is no wrong in Lisa's acknowledgement.

OldFriends, I am just baffled by the negative opinions here. Since his death, there have been MANY discussions about Prince's use of meds in the last 10 years. Someone also mentioned Lisa's statement about Prince's band leading as "severe" being a negative comment. All of the Revolution band members have discussed the relentless practicing - playing the same notes for 4 hours straight so he could practice a dance move. Mark Brown stated he learned how to play his base with one hand so he could make a sandwich, because they played for so many hours straight and could not take breaks. I think the term "severe" would apply there. It's never been a secret that he worked his bands really hard and expected them to go above and beyond. Lisa was just being honest, and I don't see any disrespect in her comments.

jaawwnn said:

purplerabbithole said:

Its funny when I looked back at archives from this site about Prince and skinniness, people seemed only a tiny bit worried in 2009.. IN 2009, he was rail thin but he was active and working. So I think fans thought if he was healthy enough to work as hard as he did and he had his wits, he would work his way through the problem and eventually get surgery so he could still perform. As you know, there were articles about his pill popping back then. I read some of those archives on here as well...people were a tad worried but they were'nt talking about him dying. They were more irritated that he wasn't just getting surgery and thought he would become a cripple.. All Lisa might have been saying was that Prince was messing around with drugs rather than getting surgery...but I doubt she sensed that he was going to croak because of it. Plus, if he seemed alright to her around 2011, she probably thought he had improved. One thing I will say is that I wish people had the guts, the means, the insight, and the direct connections to Prince to offer their help. I do think people (on the inside) let him down but I don't know if there was much people like Lisa could do. Hell, maybe she was in disbelief at the time because it seemed so unlike him. And looking back in retrospect, she started thinking more about those initial drug rumors.

It looks like the videos are gone now (this thread), but I think I remember in the org interview with W&L someone asking them about his hip problems. If I recall correctly (now i'm paraphrasing a memory from 9 years ago here) they said back then that they didn't know anything for sure but they had heard rumours on the grapevine about hip pain and painkillers and then they said that they hope he's doing ok. Not a lot of detail I know but I remember being a bit surprised back then that they were giving those rumours credence.

[Edited 4/25/18 7:25am]

I would not be surprised about information from his inner cirlce at that time filtering out to those that were close to him in prior years. Many of his collaborators kept in touch, and had connections with those who were close to him through the years. Wendy and Lisa remained close to Sheila, who I think was the one from the original camp who stayed the closest to Prince through the years.

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

This is nothing any of you have not heard already. She's shocked about the use for his hip issues.
What is so damning about that? A lot of people were originally shocked or in denial because they just did not even believe he had hip surgery, and would never ever take any kind of drug. Into 2016 after he died there were many people still denying he even had hip surgery. Uh we know via Cat that he did X in the late 80s. There are people who denied that Prince drank alchohol. Uh wow, they should be mad at Jerome Benton for talking about Prince drinking red wine during the Under the Cherry Moon/Parade period/France period.

.

Yes, it happens, when people are in pain, and try to manage it themselves, then tend to go overboard to keep on truckin

.

There is no judgement on Prince, there is no wrong in Lisa's acknowledgement.

OldFriends, I am just baffled by the negative opinions here. Since his death, there have been MANY discussions about Prince's use of meds in the last 10 years. Someone also mentioned Lisa's statement about Prince's band leading as "severe" being a negative comment. All of the Revolution band members have discussed the relentless practicing - playing the same notes for 4 hours straight so he could practice a dance move. Mark Brown stated he learned how to play his base with one hand so he could make a sandwich, because they played for so many hours straight and could not take breaks. I think the term "severe" would apply there. It's never been a secret that he worked his bands really hard and expected them to go above and beyond. Lisa was just being honest, and I don't see any disrespect in her comments.

Prince 'fans/followers' can be overly sensitive, as if they knew him themselves. Too much crying going on and cyberstoning people who actually knew him, because they don't understand the heart of the person. If you don't say it (spoonfeed) it to fans the way they need it like medicine, then the tragic torch carriers come out in them.

[Edited 4/25/18 11:55am]

jaawwnn said:

purplerabbithole said:

Its funny when I looked back at archives from this site about Prince and skinniness, people seemed only a tiny bit worried in 2009.. IN 2009, he was rail thin but he was active and working. So I think fans thought if he was healthy enough to work as hard as he did and he had his wits, he would work his way through the problem and eventually get surgery so he could still perform. As you know, there were articles about his pill popping back then. I read some of those archives on here as well...people were a tad worried but they were'nt talking about him dying. They were more irritated that he wasn't just getting surgery and thought he would become a cripple.. All Lisa might have been saying was that Prince was messing around with drugs rather than getting surgery...but I doubt she sensed that he was going to croak because of it. Plus, if he seemed alright to her around 2011, she probably thought he had improved. One thing I will say is that I wish people had the guts, the means, the insight, and the direct connections to Prince to offer their help. I do think people (on the inside) let him down but I don't know if there was much people like Lisa could do. Hell, maybe she was in disbelief at the time because it seemed so unlike him. And looking back in retrospect, she started thinking more about those initial drug rumors.

It looks like the videos are gone now (this thread), but I think I remember in the org interview with W&L someone asking them about his hip problems. If I recall correctly (now i'm paraphrasing a memory from 9 years ago here) they said back then that they didn't know anything for sure but they had heard rumours on the grapevine about hip pain and painkillers and then they said that they hope he's doing ok. Not a lot of detail I know but I remember being a bit surprised back then that they were giving those rumours credence.

[Edited 4/25/18 7:25am]

The thing is a lot of us assumed/believed he probably had hip problems(which generally require pain pills). Morris Day had hip surgery a few years back and it didn't seem to be an issue as far as people calling it gossip or judging anyone who talked about it. I don't have a problem with Prince having hip issues/surgery and taking some pills to help adjust the pain etc

OldFriends4Sale said:

The thing is a lot of us assumed/believed he probably had hip problems(which generally require pain pills). Morris Day had hip surgery a few years back and it didn't seem to be an issue as far as people calling it gossip or judging anyone who talked about it. I don't have a problem with Prince having hip issues/surgery and taking some pills to help adjust the pain etc

mmm, it was more the tone at the time, they sounded worried but unsure.

I suppose none of us were sure back then if Jehovah's Witnesses could have hip surgery so there was talk of him taking pills rather than dealing with the pain. Which, in retrospect, might have been closer to the truth than we realised, if for different reasons.

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

OldFriends, I am just baffled by the negative opinions here. Since his death, there have been MANY discussions about Prince's use of meds in the last 10 years. Someone also mentioned Lisa's statement about Prince's band leading as "severe" being a negative comment. All of the Revolution band members have discussed the relentless practicing - playing the same notes for 4 hours straight so he could practice a dance move. Mark Brown stated he learned how to play his base with one hand so he could make a sandwich, because they played for so many hours straight and could not take breaks. I think the term "severe" would apply there. It's never been a secret that he worked his bands really hard and expected them to go above and beyond. Lisa was just being honest, and I don't see any disrespect in her comments.

Prince 'fans/followers' can be overly sensitive, as if they knew him themselves. Too much crying going on and cyberstoning people who actually knew him, because they don't understand the heart of the person. If you don't say it (spoonfeed) it to fans the way they need it like medicine, then the tragic torch carriers come out in them.

Agreed. Just baffling to me that so many cannot understand that these people knew Prince on a very personal level, and often spent 24/7 with him. Especially someone like Lisa, who met him and lived with him in 1980, long before he became a mega star. She played with him for 6 years.

jaawwnn said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

The thing is a lot of us assumed/believed he probably had hip problems(which generally require pain pills). Morris Day had hip surgery a few years back and it didn't seem to be an issue as far as people calling it gossip or judging anyone who talked about it. I don't have a problem with Prince having hip issues/surgery and taking some pills to help adjust the pain etc

mmm, it was more the tone at the time, they sounded worried but unsure.

I suppose none of us were sure back then if Jehovah's Witnesses could have hip surgery so there was talk of him taking pills rather than dealing with the pain. Which, in retrospect, might have been closer to the truth than we realised, if for different reasons.

Yeah

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I think a lot of judgement by fan was directed at the Jehovah's Witness if it was all true. I think a lot of us did believe he probably had hip surgery. There are fans today who still deny or won't acknowledge it for whatever reason.

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And Wendy had hip surgery late last year too.

OldFriends4Sale said:

jaawwnn said:

mmm, it was more the tone at the time, they sounded worried but unsure.

I suppose none of us were sure back then if Jehovah's Witnesses could have hip surgery so there was talk of him taking pills rather than dealing with the pain. Which, in retrospect, might have been closer to the truth than we realised, if for different reasons.

Yeah

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I think a lot of judgement by fan was directed at the Jehovah's Witness if it was all true. I think a lot of us did believe he probably had hip surgery. There are fans today who still deny or won't acknowledge it for whatever reason.

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And Wendy had hip surgery late last year too.

My thought is that he probably did have some type of hip surgery - if not a full replacement - and was given the prescription pain meds to reduce the pain from recovery, which then escalated into the addiction. Seems this is the way it typically happens.

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah

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I think a lot of judgement by fan was directed at the Jehovah's Witness if it was all true. I think a lot of us did believe he probably had hip surgery. There are fans today who still deny or won't acknowledge it for whatever reason.

.

And Wendy had hip surgery late last year too.

My thought is that he probably did have some type of hip surgery - if not a full replacement - and was given the prescription pain meds to reduce the pain from recovery, which then escalated into the addiction. Seems this is the way it typically happens.

Right and it is easy for it to happen. And even though everyone is open to it, a lot of men are hard headed when it comes to the recovery process.

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

My thought is that he probably did have some type of hip surgery - if not a full replacement - and was given the prescription pain meds to reduce the pain from recovery, which then escalated into the addiction. Seems this is the way it typically happens.

Right and it is easy for it to happen. And even though everyone is open to it, a lot of men are hard headed when it comes to the recovery process.

Just finished reading the full police report/investiagtion. It is stated and confirmed in the report that Prince had hip replacement surgery at the Mayo Clinic in Texas in 2010. He was given Percocet for the pain. His Manager at the time, and another associate confirmed that he had an "episode" at PP as a result of taking Percocet after the surgery where he was wondering around the facility without clothes on. Another employee stated she left his employ in 2011, because his behavior had become very irratic and unpredictable. This would coincide with the changes starting to happen with his physical appearance - especially with regard to his facial features. Interestingly, during his 2009 Montreux Jazz performance of "All The Critics Love You" it seems as though at one point he says "Body doesn't wanna quit...gotta get a new hip" The first time he sings the line he says "hit", but I think the 2nd or 3rd time he sings "hip" instead of "hit'. I could be wrong, but that is what is sounds like to me. It's all very sad, because based on statements in the report from many associates it was known that he had an addiction to pain medication

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Right and it is easy for it to happen. And even though everyone is open to it, a lot of men are hard headed when it comes to the recovery process.

Just finished reading the full police report/investiagtion. It is stated and confirmed in the report that Prince had hip replacement surgery at the Mayo Clinic in Texas in 2010. He was given Percocet for the pain. His Manager at the time, and another associate confirmed that he had an "episode" at PP as a result of taking Percocet after the surgery where he was wondering around the facility without clothes on. Another employee stated she left his employ in 2011, because his behavior had become very irratic and unpredictable. This would coincide with the changes starting to happen with his physical appearance - especially with regard to his facial features. Interestingly, during his 2009 Montreux Jazz performance of "All The Critics Love You" it seems as though at one point he says "Body doesn't wanna quit...gotta get a new hip" The first time he sings the line he says "hit", but I think the 2nd or 3rd time he sings "hip" instead of "hit'. I could be wrong, but that is what is sounds like to me. It's all very sad, because based on statements in the report from many associates it was known that he had an addiction to pain medication

ha! wow.

When in 2010 did he get this surgery? He was doing pirouettes like there was no tomorrow by the summer tour.

jaawwnn said:

violetcrush said:

Just finished reading the full police report/investiagtion. It is stated and confirmed in the report that Prince had hip replacement surgery at the Mayo Clinic in Texas in 2010. He was given Percocet for the pain. His Manager at the time, and another associate confirmed that he had an "episode" at PP as a result of taking Percocet after the surgery where he was wondering around the facility without clothes on. Another employee stated she left his employ in 2011, because his behavior had become very irratic and unpredictable. This would coincide with the changes starting to happen with his physical appearance - especially with regard to his facial features. Interestingly, during his 2009 Montreux Jazz performance of "All The Critics Love You" it seems as though at one point he says "Body doesn't wanna quit...gotta get a new hip" The first time he sings the line he says "hit", but I think the 2nd or 3rd time he sings "hip" instead of "hit'. I could be wrong, but that is what is sounds like to me. It's all very sad, because based on statements in the report from many associates it was known that he had an addiction to pain medication

ha! wow.

When in 2010 did he get this surgery? He was doing pirouettes like there was no tomorrow by the summer tour.

I don't know when it was, but todays surgeries, I don't think it takes that long to recover. Morris & Wendy has some kind of hip surgery and a month later were back on stage.

jaawwnn said:

violetcrush said:

Just finished reading the full police report/investiagtion. It is stated and confirmed in the report that Prince had hip replacement surgery at the Mayo Clinic in Texas in 2010. He was given Percocet for the pain. His Manager at the time, and another associate confirmed that he had an "episode" at PP as a result of taking Percocet after the surgery where he was wondering around the facility without clothes on. Another employee stated she left his employ in 2011, because his behavior had become very irratic and unpredictable. This would coincide with the changes starting to happen with his physical appearance - especially with regard to his facial features. Interestingly, during his 2009 Montreux Jazz performance of "All The Critics Love You" it seems as though at one point he says "Body doesn't wanna quit...gotta get a new hip" The first time he sings the line he says "hit", but I think the 2nd or 3rd time he sings "hip" instead of "hit'. I could be wrong, but that is what is sounds like to me. It's all very sad, because based on statements in the report from many associates it was known that he had an addiction to pain medication

ha! wow.

When in 2010 did he get this surgery? He was doing pirouettes like there was no tomorrow by the summer tour.

It was listed within the police investgative report. The Doctor's name was listed too. I don't think the actual recovery is that long of a period. However, if the pain meds are used past the recommended time frame and/or in higher doses than prescribed it then becomes a slippery slope toward addiction.

[Edited 4/30/18 5:53am]