Ok,cool.I was trying to remember if he had a show there in 2007 I forgot about.lol | |
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Back to Mayte.
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You're right. Prince did reap what he sowed and he knew it. Manuela wasn't a business woman. She was a college graduate that came to Paisley Park on a wing and a prayer working in the gift shop selling Prince memorabilia. She got what she received in the divorce because she sued Prince for it. Mayte didn't want Prince's money, she wanted her husband. She didn't ask for anything including the house he offered her. Lastly, Manuela wasn't the only woman Prince was fooling around with in the last year of their marriage. | |
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Mayte attended many of Prince shows throughout the years after their divorce. You may have only heard about the one she tweeted about be she attended many of his shows before and after the tweet so highly publicized by fans. | |
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I wouldn't share the brand of toilet tissue I use with most of the people on this forum. | |
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She said in the interview in Germany recently that she attended a show a few years ago and that she was backstage after the show and he left before they could speak to one another.Did she say if she attended any of the Piano and Microphone shows? | |
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I see. Well, it's a good thing no one asked you to share your toilet tissue brand. Oh, and I guess that means you don't have any links to the non-specific "evidence" you cited to back up your claims. | |
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I am curious why he didn't just buy her off to keep her off that show. But maybe he was wrapped up in his life and problems, maybe he couldn't face her, maybe he understood that she had a right to talk bout her life as an ex-wife on a talk show but made it clear to keep details about him out of it. Maybe paying her more would be like admitting that he was the real instigator of the divorce. Who knows. Maybe after the divorce, he thought she was doing fine financially what with her new rock star boyfriend. (Tommy Lee is pretty damn rich himself.)
She said she didn't ask for money because she thought they would get back together...after a divorce? And he still offered her a home if my understanding is correct. I agree she should have gotten more in the settlement (and Prince probably should have just offered it without being asked) but I imagine Prince had a hard time believing that his home wouldn't sell in Spain (a famous rock star's house would normally sell) and maybe he thought she wasn't trying hard enough to sell it. Who knows? maybe he was starting to think he was being used for his money in the first place---thus some cracks of his about his motherinlaw and her lack of paying rent on an apartment he set up for her. There are two sides. Prince could be generous when he wanted to be, he wasn't a total cheapskate in all situations in his life.
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I stand corrected about Manuela being a businesswoman. . Regarding Mayte, yes, I agree that she didn't want his money, she wanted to be with him. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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I guess I don't get it; whether someone likes Prince's women or not, why are people still so invested in ragging on them after all these years... "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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They are in the press now and releasing books now.
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That still doesn't explain the enmity that existed BEFORE Prince passed... Dunno--I just don't get it. Life is too short. "Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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amethyst68 said: purplefam99 said: Yes!!!! A not a peep from Larry G. He is mum, makes him ok in my book. Larry has done interviews. Just because you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. People gripe about certain people speaking about Prince but that’s what fans want to hear. It’s all about keeping his legacy alive. Most fans love hearing stories from people who were close to Prince. I take it that’s why you’re snooping around on a Prince forum, because you want to hear about Prince, the man and the music. Otherwise, log off and go play a CD. Larry G doesn't need p for anything for a career boost, if you know about music dude is a freakin legend | |
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Strawberrylova123 said: amethyst68 said: Larry has done interviews. Just because you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. People gripe about certain people speaking about Prince but that’s what fans want to hear. It’s all about keeping his legacy alive. Most fans love hearing stories from people who were close to Prince. I take it that’s why you’re snooping around on a Prince forum, because you want to hear about Prince, the man and the music. Otherwise, log off and go play a CD. Larry G doesn't need p for anything for a career boost, if you know about music dude is a freakin legend Oh yes I agree and I’m fully aware that LG is a legend. That is what I don’t get about people thinking LG was ever riding coattails. He never needed too. Same with Maceo....legend...onstage...gigging... and having fun. | |
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I didn't say that she had no choice but to ride his coattails. . I said: "He set himself up for Mayte to have to rely on her relationship with him in order to make money by contriving the "annulment" and running off with another woman (Manuela), and then offering her a crappy divorce settlement (the Marabella house and all of its contents)." and "one of her biggest assets is that she's Prince's ex-wife." . By assets, I'm talking marketability or ways to make money. . I did not intend to suggest/say that Mayte had no other way to make money than relying on her status as his ex-wife. No, Mayte is talented, intelligent, and quite capable of making a living for herself. However, people get upset about her going on Hollywood Exes and writing her book when Prince didn't, to my knowledge, do much to prevent these situations from occurring. I was really focusing more on Prince that on Mayte when I wrote "He set himself up for...." . See, Prince can't have it both ways. He can't do his wife dirty by cheating on her and making her feel like a stranger in her own home, give her a flimsy divorce settlement (which she didn't care about because she wanted him, not the divorce), and expect her to go on living her life as though she was never married to him. He was her first love. He wrote in a letter to her in the mid 1990s stating "Eye will never leave u" over 15 times (pp. 134-134, The Most Beautiful). In another letter, he wrote "If they're not your babies, ain't havin' none!" (p. 179, The Most Beautiful). He wrote "The One" for her, and asks her to direct the video in 1998, then in the same year, contrives an "annulment" with no legal or religious validity. . So he set himself up the possibility of Mayte her using her status as his ex-wife. First, he acted in a way (e.g., cheating) that caused her to seek a divorce that she did not want. Then, he didn't offer her much in the divorce settlement and she didn't ask for more because she wanted him and she also felt beat down by the whole situation. . Due to the cost of selling their house in Spain, she came away from that marriage with very little money. At the time of their divorce, she had spent the previous 9 years or so interacting with him in some way...first as a friend, then as a member of the NPG, muse, girlfriend, fiancee, and/or wife. This doesn't mean she had to use her status as his ex-wife to make money or that she had no choice but to use that status as his ex-wife to her advantage. However, that status as his ex-wife exists...which is why, if he cared so much about his privacy, he could have protected his privacy by paying her to keep quiet. .
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Well aware of who Larry is and what Larry Graham does. Believe it or not, I had one of his albums from the 80s. I was in love with his song "One In A Million" back then. But it's not about needing a career boost, people want to hear more and more about Prince. There is a demand for people close to Prince to share their experiences because not only do people want to hear his music, they want to know about the man. There should be nothing strange about that. It's happened with any famous person who has passed on. It's annoying as hell for people to assume, people just want to make money off his back or they just want to be relevant anytime someone speaks the name of someone who has died. | |
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Exactly! These women all have a place in the Purple Universe because they influenced Prince and his music. Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above | |
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Its all so complicated--people have a myriad of complicated motives for what they do. I loved my grandfather. But if I decided to write a book about him and his early death (and his possible closeted homosexuality) now and got it published and made a ton of money, I would be overjoyed with the money. It doesn't necessarily mean I didn't love my grandfather if something good came out of his death. But I can tell you one thing, I wouldn't release the book on the first anniversary of his death and start auctioning off his stuff three months before his death whilst people were worried about his health and then let headlines implying his more controversial qualities be on the cover of a magazine. And how one decides to "exploit" a loved one's death can say a lot about a person's integrity. However, People have weird ways of justifying their actions, but unless we know them directly it is hard to know entirely what they feel. But irresponsible exploitation does not make them look too loving sometimes.
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Regarding becoming a Jehovah's Witness, he was married to Mayte when he became interested in the JW faith. He said his marriage vows, committing himself to be her husband. So, he would need to consider her needs, not just his needs, as she was his wife. That's what he signed up for when he took his marital vows. Since he wanted to become a JW and Mayte did not, he should have been a stand-up guy and divorced her (although divorce is something that the JW faith and most other Christian denominations frown upon), instead of stringing her along with the "annulment" and talk of starting a new life in Spain. . Personally, I think that her book is, overall, quite loving toward Prince. It's not reasonable to expect her to talk about everything as if it was lollipops and rainbows, because it wasn't. When she wrote about him as a father to Amiir, it's probably the most loving, flattering, magnificent description that anyone has ever written about him. As far as what she wrote about their divorce and the events that led up to it, neither the PRN Estate, nor any of Prince's siblings, have sued her or reprimanded her publicly for writing the book, so the lack of push-back from the Estate and the siblings indicates that what she wrote is, at least, not inaccurate.
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Not necessarily. In fact, that is a classic non sequitur. To say that, since the family and/or estate has not sued or pushed back, then what Mayte (or anyone else) wrote must not be inaccurate is just not sound reasoning. Please! | |
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You don't need to keep rehashing all his failures as a husband to make your point. But anyone with two eyes could see that Prince was probably not going to be a great success at traditional marriage. No matter how much he wanted to be. He had two women in his life when he and she started to get more serious. yes, she was young, but even an 17 to 22 year old has two eyes. And if she was too naive to see then her parents should have noticed. Plus, his promises to her that he would love her forever were under different circumstances. Anytime people get married, they make vows (like til death do us part) but divorces do happen regardless. He might have felt he found the one he could be faithful with but his weakness got the best of him eventually. He failed. Odds are the hardships of their losses changed the nature of their association and brought out different sides of both him and her. He could not anticipate how he was going to feel down the road or how she might change herself .I am not letting him off the hook He was married and should have been more straight. But the annulment should have been enough for to realize that he was not feeling too confident about the future of their marriage. . She stuck it out in the hopes things would improve. He didn't divorce her right away for the same reason probably. Plus, like Mayte made clear, legally it wasn't a real anulment so he and she still had to get an official divorce. Therefore the annulment wasn't an attempt to cheat her out of a settlement like some have implied. He was alone and unhappy because of his issues and inability to comment to one person--I am not denying that he could be a womanizing little turd. But there are nuances and explanations we are not getting becuase he is not around to tell his side. She can tell her side but I wish people would remember that he had one too..Like someone once said, there is her side, there is his side and then there is the truth--even that statement doesn't cover the psychological reasons people do what they do. Did Prince have any real legal resource for stopping her from releasing the book when he was alive and able to defend his behaviors?? Non-disclosure agreements don't apply do they 20 years after a divorce do they?
Another point I want to make is that I believe that many women endured the cheating because they were vying for top spot and the keys to the kingdom. They wanted the career, the money and man (in varying order of importance.) I think she wanted those things too. Maybe she wanted the man more but she obviously wanted to be an artist and dancer and be on stage herself--otherwise she would have given it up years ago to be a real estate agent who dances on the side.
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purplefam99 said: Strawberrylova123 said: Larry G doesn't need p for anything for a career boost, if you know about music dude is a freakin legend Oh yes I agree and I’m fully aware that LG is a legend. That is what I don’t get about people thinking LG was ever riding coattails. He never needed too. Same with Maceo....legend...onstage...gigging... and having fun. And both are super funky!! | |
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I don't disagree that she had a right to stand her ground about her religious beliefs. I am also glad she stood her ground about medical proceedings (regarding the miscarriage) and that he didn't physically attempt to stop her. Hell, maybe he understood her rights himself but personally and emotionally needed her on board with his beliefs because he became too dependent on them as a coping mechanism... It happens. Do you think he annuled the marriage just because of his religious beliefs or was he just not ready to see her go entirely and hoped she'd eventually give in and join him. I actually think the Greatest Romance that has ever been sold was not intended as a burn at her. I think he thought it would convince her that going along with his plan would ensure a healthy family, healthy births,and a healthy relationship (like saying "Look what you could have if you joined me>" He was probably in pain and trying to find a way to solve a problem he thought God had with him and her. She did state that he thought God had been punishing them after all. People deal with pain differently and these two obviously did. But I don't think its fair to dismiss his actions as just callous without hearing his personal justifications or listening really hard to what he might have been trying to say thorugh his lyrics and confusing philosophies. we should not just assume he was just feeding her load of shit so he could divorce her without pissing off the JW's. He was sincere enough about his beliefs to stay within that religion...I think its obvious he made himself believe that stuff. Prince many years later seemed to loosen up on his beliefs but the death of that kid did change him in many ways for real. He was selfish, sure, but maybe he just figured people were using him for other things (career recognition) so he could be. The catch 22 here is that I suspect Prince was an insecure man who felt he had to have something career wise to offer to women to keep them coming around but unfortunately it meant the very thing that he relied on to get women would be the very thing that would cast doubt on them in his eyes later. Plus, if appearances were all he cared about he would have kept his sexual flirations a bit more private than he did. The man was all kinds of confused it sounds like.
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There are been MANY books written about Prince from people who knew him intimately to people who never met him. Who have you known to write a book about Prince and be sued? He had no grounds to sue her. Furthermore, most of the events mentioned in her book can be confirmed either by others or by things he himself said at the time. [Edited 4/8/18 21:19pm] | |
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Well you inadvertedly kind of made my point. He could not have sued her for writing about their son when he was alive. So, why did she wait until he was dead and unable to defend himself? It makes me a bit cynical.
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