. Kirk's loyalty to Prince: Was it loyalty, or enabling?
"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016) | |
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Kirk really loved Prince. To have remained loyal to him for ALL those YEARS. Longer than ANY other associate even BOTH their ex wives! For Prince to trust him to put those prescriptions in his name and making HIM his Paisley Park head manager,bodyguard,drummer,remix engineer,producer,dancer,fitness instructor and BEST MAN of his first marriage. It had to be a unbreakable bond. I imagine anyone in that position would have done anything Prince wanted.
Plus Kirk has remained loyal even in Prince's passing.
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[Edited 3/15/18 11:15am] "That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when was doing the Purple Rain tour had a lot of people who knew 'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream." | |
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When a true friendship exists loyalty and enabling are Comingled And hard to differentiate. | |
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laurarichardson said:
We have no idea who he communicated with. We are now finding out he communicated with Vanity up to 2012 per her brother in law.
Mark Brown said Apples told him Prince was sick. Tyka has told us she knew Prince was dying two years ahead via a e-mail and we now know he left directions for Paisley Park with many associates.
He also reached out to people he had not spoken to in sometime. Why would Apples be any different then any other associates? Not one single person on this board that has an issue with her will explain why he would not have spoken to her just like he did other associates.
Even Dez said he spoke to Prince in January and he will never disciuss what they talked about but no one questions Dez.
Tired of people on this board going after women assoicates because they do not like their boob jobs or just hate any women that were in Prince's orbit.
Me personally? I've always loved Apples boobs!!!! I ain't f¥©king just for kicks! | |
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I may be completely mistaken, but I believe that Prince really valued his privacy, and that his friends who love him so dearly have shown their continued devotion to him by respecting this. It's heartbreaking to have lost Prince so suddenly and prematurely, but I don't feel entirely miserable about his personal life, because I believe he would have been only too aware that he was greatly loved and cherished by his nearest & dearest friends and loved ones. Hopefully I'd like to think that for most of the time he was able to enjoy our love and support too over the years. | |
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GrayDorian said:
I may be completely mistaken, but I believe that Prince really valued his privacy, and that his friends who love him so dearly have shown their continued devotion to him by respecting this. It's heartbreaking to have lost Prince so suddenly and prematurely, but I don't feel entirely miserable about his personal life, because I believe he would have been only too aware that he was greatly loved and cherished by his nearest & dearest friends and loved ones. Hopefully I'd like to think that for most of the time he was able to enjoy our love and support too over the years. I do feel sa PD that he didn’t have a partner, but I also feel very happy that he had such a full, rich life. | |
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I may very well be mistaken but I think I recall it being reported that Judith had informed the authorities that she was Prince's girlfriend (possibly after the Moline incident?).
Again, I may be completely wrong there, but, if correct, Judith comes across well to me, and I'm sure I wouldn't be alone in finding it nice & comforting, and reassuring to know that Prince was all luvved up latterly, though I suspect perhaps one or two of the more jealous-natured among us may beg to differ. It's none of our business of course, but it's a nice thought.
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Imho, a good answer. | |||
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yes, gray i agree. perhaps my wording was confusing, that is what i was trying to say.^^ | |
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Thank U! I agree! But Kirk gets so much hate here. Just like Tyka. "That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when was doing the Purple Rain tour had a lot of people who knew 'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream." | |||
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. From the outside, it may appear that Kirk and Prince were bossom buddies, but we really do not know all the complexities of their relationship. I think you can love someone too much and to the point where you are enabling them and actually doing more harm than good.
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Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end | |
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Or you can be co-dependent--one formoney and job opportunties, one for someone who just agrees to do what you think you want and need. I really hope it is not that kind of relationshio but considering KJ's post death actions and inactions...at times, my mind goes that direction. Iguess his not defending his actions or inactions by blaming Prince is a good sign though. However, no one in the purple army has referred to KJ as P's best friend -- in fact, some seem to think that Prince had no "close" friends in the strictest definition of the word friend.
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purplerabbithole said: Or you can be co-dependent--one formoney and job opportunties, one for someone who just agrees to do what you think you want and need. I really hope it is not that kind of relationshio but considering KJ's post death actions and inactions...at times, my mind goes that direction. Iguess his not defending his actions or inactions by blaming Prince is a good sign though. However, no one in the purple army has referred to KJ as P's best friend -- in fact, some seem to think that Prince had no "close" friends in the strictest definition of the word friend.
Can you elaborate on who in the purple army thought/said he had no Friends in the strictest sense. I had never heard that anyone had spoken about this. Distance Outsiders yes but insiders??? Thx. | |
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That's very true! I've been in a situation like that. "That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when was doing the Purple Rain tour had a lot of people who knew 'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream." | |
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Michael bland, Tommy B,Scotty Baldwin--said Prince had no longterm intimate friends but at times they felt close to Prince (they never referenced KJ), morris Hayes never called KJ Prince's friend. Hayes told Prince that he was his friend at one point and probably felt that way fo real but he also acknowledged that Prince had trust issues even with him and once you were out of the circle occupationally it was hard to reconnect to Prince personally (not always P's fault though due to the fame and tons of people around him.) Steve Parke (who was tight with P for a while when he worked with him but not a conventional friend once they parted ways workwise) stated that he felt sorry for KJ and said he was a good man and then on facebook another engineer of Prince's stated that it seemed unfair that KJ should get in trouble for doing his job becuase Prince was no victim. Male musicians don't seem to think of P as an intimate friend except for maybe Andre. He seems more like a boss/older brother/ or cousin they sometimes had fun with and sometimes bonded with over music, humor or geeky things. Women do think of him that way as a friend and even that is complicated obviously. Maybe women and men see friendship in a different way, but it is odd to me that only fans and the press have called KJ Prince's best friend that I have found. I have never found a quote from insiders to back that up. Insiders have stated that Larry Graham was a close friend of P's however;
purplefam99 said:
MMY B, purplerabbithole said: Can you elaborate on who in the purple army thought/said he had no Friends in the strictest sense. I had never heard that anyone had spoken about this. Distance Outsiders yes but insiders??? Thx.
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bondno9 said:
Right! Thing is, Apollonia acts like P never said anything bad about her to others. In her mind she and P were BFF o She did ONE movie with the man and was in A6 for .06 seconds (and then said adios to the P camp) BUT she knows everything Say it louder for the people in back!!! I ain't f¥©king just for kicks! | |
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Michael bland, Tommy B,Scotty Baldwin
How would any of then know who the hell his friends were?
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Exactly! "That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when was doing the Purple Rain tour had a lot of people who knew 'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream." | |
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. Very true. When you have things good, it's hard to break the bond of dysfunctional relationships. I was taken aback when Kirk went to Switzerland after his friend and business partner, Prince died. Maybe I'm being judgmental, but it was odd, to say the least. Just my perspective. . I also don't believe that Prince had any real "close" friends. Tyka said "everyone knew", including "close friends" that Prince was dying -- yet, they do not seem to know much of anything about his passing. That to me, is not a close friend.
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I believe Kirk was informed NOT to discuss any of Prince's personal business, involving the circumstances leading up to his transitioning with anyone until the investigation was complete. Which is why he booked to Switzerland. When he knew ALL eyes were on him. "That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when was doing the Purple Rain tour had a lot of people who knew 'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream." | |
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. I understand that Kirk could not say anything to the press, but why go to Switzerland, of all places? . It's not only that, but other things as well, that I find odd about his behavior. For example, in his interviews, he did not seem emotionally upset, at all. He was actually smiling and laughing--maybe it was a nervous laugh? I dunno.
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I was put off by his behavior in that interview also .But everyone grieves differently(I mean Tyka LAUGHED her way through every interview she's done about her brothers death ) Also, I realized later that news correspondent TRICKED him and bombarded him with questions, that i'm sure he told her he WAS NOT discussing. That laugh was his surprise at her still asking those questions. What I will say is that he shouldn't have NEVER done that interview at all. It made him look bad.
About him going to Switzerland. I'm sure finding Prince like that was traumatizing to him. Since he worked at Paisley Park daily and was the closest to Prince. He may have needed to leave & go to a peaceful place to grieve. Without the press hounding him(although it did look sort of like a castaway exile).
I can see anyone's behavior being unusual after that happening. But Kirk knew what was going on with Prince. So he's more at peace with it just like Tyka & Andre. [Edited 3/16/18 17:04pm] "That mountain top situation is not really what it's all cracked up 2 B when was doing the Purple Rain tour had a lot of people who knew 'll never c again @ the concerts.just screamin n places they thought they was suppose 2 scream." | |
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ChocolateBox3121 said:
I was put off by his behavior in that interview also .But everyone grieves differently(I mean Tyka LAUGHED her way through every interview she's done about her brothers death ) Also, I realized later that news correspondent TRICKED him and bombarded him with questions, that i'm sure he told her he WAS NOT discussing. That laugh was his surprise at her still asking those questions. What I will say is that he shouldn't have NEVER done that interview at all. It made him look bad.
About him going to Switzerland. I'm sure finding Prince like that was traumatizing to him. Since he worked at Paisley Park daily and was the closest to Prince. He may needed to leave & go to a peaceful place to grieve. Without the press hounding him(although it did look sort of like a castaway exile).
I can see anyone's behavior being unusual after that happening. But Kirk knew what was going on with Prince. So he's more at peace with it just like Tyka & Andre. I think they all know what was going on with Prince and are fine with it. We just do not know | |
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Some of his friends seemed to not know. | |
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Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end | |
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. That's understandable. The interviewer was trying to dig for answers, and Kirk laughed because he probably told them up-front that he wasn't going to answer questions about Prince's death. Also, Kirk hired an attorney, and he wasn't allowed to talk about it. But, that interview did paint him in a bad light. He did say some things that upset me, as a Prince fan. When the interviewer said that the fans want to know what happened, Kirk responded, "That's their problem". I thought it was very insensitive and disprespectful. . Kirk most definitely knew what was going on with Prince. Thus, why I think he was an enabler.
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. Tyka said she told "everyone" and all of Prince's closest friends knew, but even Chazz doesn't seem to know what was going on with Prince. "With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016) | |
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Chazz said he had no spoken directly to Prince since 1985 and he complained in the interview about how he was treated by Omarr at the funeral. Remember Chazz did interviews with C.J. He appears to have a big mouth and does appear to be the type you can trust with a secret. What I have noticed over the course of the last month or so is his quietness about the entire stituation.
I hope someone in the family told he what was going on he could have some closure. On the other hand if they told him something he would have told it by this time | |
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