Did the estate know?? She may have slipped it past them in their moment of shock and grief!! When everyone was balling their heads off she was busy calculating her scheme to capitalize off of the name! If anyone is still questioning her integrity ask yourself why? Why today of all days to "break" the news of her new project!!

Mumio said:

luv4life said:

Now we all see what she is about!!! Shady AF! If anyone has a instagram acct or fb linked to her I think we should all voice our opinions there! Let her spend her Valentines Day blocking all of us. This is one of the most disrespectful things she could have done. I have alway had respect for all of Princes exs but not anymore. Manuela has showed her true colors today. They are green with envy and the color of money she wishes to cash in on$$$$$$$$$$

Well, the estate didn't stop her from getting the trademark so what does that say? I don't know if that means her action was supported but the estate knew what was going on and allowed it to go to her. Right now, it's hard to figure out what is going on involving all of the Love 4 One Another stuff. The estate didn't stop her, Omarr Baker supports her apparently, and then there was all of that shady stuff involving Patrick Cousins, $8+ million dollars tied to the charity, and the land across from PP. Sure sounded like Cousins got his hands on everything and is doing whatever, but we really don't know for sure. Still haven't heard a peep about those 70+ boxes of info that Cousins said he had re Prince. How was he able to just up and sell that church P owned? And an even bigger question I've seen elsewhere is why did it appear Prince seemed to disassociate himself from the charity and allowed the charity to lapse?

luv4life said:

Look at it this way...6 days after he passed nobody knew what the hell was going on...nobody knew exactly who the heirs were or even who was handling the estate...much less the status of a trademark....so what do you all think?

luv4life said:

Did the estate know?? She may have slipped it past them in their moment of shock and grief!! When everyone was balling their heads off she was busy calculating her scheme to capitalize off of the name! If anyone is still questioning her integrity ask yourself why? Why today of all days to "break" the news of her new project!!

Mumio said:

Well, the estate didn't stop her from getting the trademark so what does that say? I don't know if that means her action was supported but the estate knew what was going on and allowed it to go to her. Right now, it's hard to figure out what is going on involving all of the Love 4 One Another stuff. The estate didn't stop her, Omarr Baker supports her apparently, and then there was all of that shady stuff involving Patrick Cousins, $8+ million dollars tied to the charity, and the land across from PP. Sure sounded like Cousins got his hands on everything and is doing whatever, but we really don't know for sure. Still haven't heard a peep about those 70+ boxes of info that Cousins said he had re Prince. How was he able to just up and sell that church P owned? And an even bigger question I've seen elsewhere is why did it appear Prince seemed to disassociate himself from the charity and allowed the charity to lapse?

That has to be handled legally so there's no slipping it past them really. If I recall correctly, someone here did searches at the trademark office and posted info here which showed that the estate knew she had applied for the trademark.


ETA: the estate dropped their opposition to this in 2017, here is a link to the thread where you can find the info: http://prince.org/msg/5/449652?&pg=1

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luv4life said:

Did the estate know?? She may have slipped it past them in their moment of shock and grief!! When everyone was balling their heads off she was busy calculating her scheme to capitalize off of the name! If anyone is still questioning her integrity ask yourself why? Why today of all days to "break" the news of her new project!!

Mumio said:

Well, the estate didn't stop her from getting the trademark so what does that say? I don't know if that means her action was supported but the estate knew what was going on and allowed it to go to her. Right now, it's hard to figure out what is going on involving all of the Love 4 One Another stuff. The estate didn't stop her, Omarr Baker supports her apparently, and then there was all of that shady stuff involving Patrick Cousins, $8+ million dollars tied to the charity, and the land across from PP. Sure sounded like Cousins got his hands on everything and is doing whatever, but we really don't know for sure. Still haven't heard a peep about those 70+ boxes of info that Cousins said he had re Prince. How was he able to just up and sell that church P owned? And an even bigger question I've seen elsewhere is why did it appear Prince seemed to disassociate himself from the charity and allowed the charity to lapse?

http://prince.org/msg/5/449652

Comerica filed against her then dropped it or she dropped it or something happened, but eventually everybody involved knew long before today.

morningsong said:[quote]

luv4life said:

Did the estate know?? She may have slipped it past them in their moment of shock and grief!! When everyone was balling their heads off she was busy calculating her scheme to capitalize off of the name! If anyone is still questioning her integrity ask yourself why? Why today of all days to "break" the news of her new project!!

Mumio said:

Well, the estate didn't stop her from getting the trademark so what does that say? I don't know if that means her action was supported but the estate knew what was going on and allowed it to go to her. Right now, it's hard to figure out what is going on involving all of the Love 4 One Another stuff. The estate didn't stop her, Omarr Baker supports her apparently, and then there was all of that shady stuff involving Patrick Cousins, $8+ million dollars tied to the charity, and the land across from PP. Sure sounded like Cousins got his hands on everything and is doing whatever, but we really don't know for sure. Still haven't heard a peep about those 70+ boxes of info that Cousins said he had re Prince. How was he able to just up and sell that church P owned? And an even bigger question I've seen elsewhere is why did it appear Prince seemed to disassociate himself from the charity and allowed the charity to lapse?

http://prince.org/msg/5/449652

Comerica filed against her then dropped it or she dropped it or something happened, but eventually everybody involved knew long before today.

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I think Omarr knew Prince was terminally ill and had Mani apply for that trademark..6 days after he died. Who would think of that under the circumstances of a sudden death? All about the $$$$$ pure and simple and cold!

I don't understand manuelas entire "charity". They have 3.5. Million dollars of assets listed on guidestar, but only 45 hundred dollars in donations in an entire year...does not compute...she is sooooo icky, and some type of scammer...how come it is so hard to find photos of all these schools she has opened? Lots and lots of pictures on Manuela on the "in a perfect world page" but really not one photo of a school? And no photos of the 2 schools she has already opened in princes name...icky fame scammer

meltedman said:

luv4life said:

Did the estate know?? She may have slipped it past them in their moment of shock and grief!! When everyone was balling their heads off she was busy calculating her scheme to capitalize off of the name! If anyone is still questioning her integrity ask yourself why? Why today of all days to "break" the news of her new project!!

Look at it this way...6 days after he passed nobody knew what the hell was going on...nobody knew exactly who the heirs were or even who was handling the estate...much less the status of a trademark....so what do you all think?

I'd say she knew the status of the trademark. I guess that's the question, was she keeping an eye on it since their divorce or was she informed by someone about its status, if someone told her then obviously somebody knew something, if she had been all these 10 years just sitting back watching it waiting for her opportunity to snatch it up then it gets all kinds of weird. See, I hate swinging blindly. I can't take offense about the timing unless it's obvious she just snuck in on her own accord, I mean we went through all this regarding the cremation and PP being a museum, it all happening so fast, now most accept it was a part of Prince's plan.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

I don't understand manuelas entire "charity". They have 3.5. Million dollars of assets listed on guidestar, but only 45 hundred dollars in donations in an entire year...does not compute...she is sooooo icky, and some type of scammer...how come it is so hard to find photos of all these schools she has opened? Lots and lots of pictures on Manuela on the "in a perfect world page" but really not one photo of a school? And no photos of the 2 schools she has already opened in princes name...icky fame scammer

ICKY and UNBELIEVABLE...you could not make this shit up!

Once again it’s staggering the amount of conjecture and conspiracy you all can whip up without a shred of evidence, then feed into each other’s anger echo chamber. It’s like FOX news.

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Zannaloaf said:

Once again it’s staggering the amount of conjecture and conspiracy you all can whip up without a shred of evidence, then feed into each other’s anger echo chamber. It’s like FOX news.

Please take the time to read the legal documents we are discussing. Nothing Fox news about actual facts.

M2 is out to make a dollar for herself and I do not think this is anything new for her. Judging just by her actions during the divorce. Stop seeing her as some damsel in distress. I honestly think that is how she hooked Prince.

He believed she was some women from a poor stituation who needed a black shining knight to come to her rescue.

Zannaloaf said:

Awww, there you are! I was wondering when you were going to appear. You never fail and you brought your A-game again. I love your always so on point rebuttals and counterarguments. Good job...
I wanna know though, do you have the name on alerts or do you just lurk and wait until something negative is said? Inquiring minds want to know!

https://www.iapw.org/l4oa/

Susu1976 said:

Awww, there you are! I was wondering when you were going to appear. You never fail and you brought your A-game again. I love your always so on point rebuttals and counterarguments. Good job... I wanna know though, do you have the name on alerts or do you just lurk and wait until something negative is said? Inquiring minds want to know!

paisleylove said:

https://www.iapw.org/l4oa/

A few of these people worked for Prince but notice that is not on their resumes on the website.

Wonder why? I also wonder if any of these schools are going to be named after Prince.

She wants people to donate to Love For One Another project which makes it appear as if it is her charity. How does that fit in with Mayte being a board director? Will we have two L4OA charities?

meltedman said:

luv4life said:

Did the estate know?? She may have slipped it past them in their moment of shock and grief!! When everyone was balling their heads off she was busy calculating her scheme to capitalize off of the name! If anyone is still questioning her integrity ask yourself why? Why today of all days to "break" the news of her new project!!

Look at it this way...6 days after he passed nobody knew what the hell was going on...nobody knew exactly who the heirs were or even who was handling the estate...much less the status of a trademark....so what do you all think?

When someone passes away anyone attempting to get anything is suspect because you know it was not yours when he was alive and well.

A ethical person waits until the estate is settled goes to the administers or heirs and ask permission.

We have probate laws in this country. People do not get to take shit because someone dies. She knew what the hell she was doing.

morningsong said:

meltedman said:

luv4life said: Look at it this way...6 days after he passed nobody knew what the hell was going on...nobody knew exactly who the heirs were or even who was handling the estate...much less the status of a trademark....so what do you all think?

I'd say she knew the status of the trademark. I guess that's the question, was she keeping an eye on it since their divorce or was she informed by someone about its status, if someone told her then obviously somebody knew something, if she had been all these 10 years just sitting back watching it waiting for her opportunity to snatch it up then it gets all kinds of weird. See, I hate swinging blindly. I can't take offense about the timing unless it's obvious she just snuck in on her own accord, I mean we went through all this regarding the cremation and PP being a museum, it all happening so fast, now most accept it was a part of Prince's plan.

If it was a part of his plan maybe she should just come out and say so. In the end I am sure it was not his plan to have land and property stolen and 8 million from the charity stolen.

I think this trick did not know about all of the illegal stuff by Cousins and just tired to grab the trademark and now look how she looks.

If I was investigating this I would take a good look at where her 3 million came from. This along with the weird donation to Smitty Boykins and some office she has in Minneapolis is weird.

morningsong said:

So just to get it straight. There is, a "Love 4 One Another Foundation", which is under the umbrella of In A Perfect World" Mani , which is building schools in some country in Africa named after Prince starting from seed money from Omarr. Then there is "Love 4 One Another Charities" which is owned by the Estate, but doesn't have a tax exempt status so Prince had been paying the taxes on the Charity up until 2007, but now is being revived or some mess I can't make heads or tails of. I'm not sure what's been trademarked the name "Love 4 One Another" or that handprint, but it doesn't look like the handprint is being used, so I guess it's the name, so yeah that's going to be confusing. So now we are going to have "Love 4 One Another Foundation" and "Love 4 One Another Charities" neither have anything to do with the other but they both are working under the name "Prince".


Gawd, it got messy faster than I expected it to.

Sounds like that Pantone thing where they have an official Prince purple, but for some reason they ran a campaign using Prince's name but with a different shade of purple. So they make a profit from Prince enthusist but the Estate doesn't.



Yeah, I know what I'm going to do, exactly what I have been doing. Until it's crystal clear what's going on my money stays in my pocket. I'll make my own little specialty kniknaks. It's sad to see but it's the name of the beast and I knew it was coming.


Now that folks see there's a profit to be made it's been just a free for all. I'm glad I didn't buy into much of any of it from jumpstreet.

This shit will get out to fan groups and she will get slammed.

laurarichardson said:

IAPW was originally funded with approx $3.7 million as part of her divorce settlement. She has not spent much, if any, of that principal and has been funding activities for the last 10 yrs from small donations and interest income earned on the $3.7 million

purplemist7777 said:

laurarichardson said:

If it was a part of his plan maybe she should just come out and say so. In the end I am sure it was not his plan to have land and property stolen and 8 million from the charity stolen.

I think this trick did not know about all of the illegal stuff by Cousins and just tired to grab the trademark and now look how she looks.

If I was investigating this I would take a good look at where her 3 million came from. This along with the weird donation to Smitty Boykins and some office she has in Minneapolis is weird.

IAPW was originally funded with approx $3.7 million as part of her divorce settlement. She has not spent much, if any, of that principal and has been funding activities for the last 10 yrs from small donations and interest income earned on the $3.7 million

In the end she is still using Prince's money. Now is face and his charity. When does she stop living off of her ex-husband?

Susu1976 said:

Zannaloaf said:

Once again it’s staggering the amount of conjecture and conspiracy you all can whip up without a shred of evidence, then feed into each other’s anger echo chamber. It’s like FOX news.

Awww, there you are! I was wondering when you were going to appear. You never fail and you brought your A-game again. I love your always so on point rebuttals and counterarguments. Good job... I wanna know though, do you have the name on alerts or do you just lurk and wait until something negative is said? Inquiring minds want to know!

It's EASY to see a topic pop up and know the ususal suspects and usual conspiracies that will come along with it.
Frankly I look on super downtime to see if anything good is going on. And ususally no. Just this stuff.
Why do I chime in?
No idea really, it's like trying to point out the hypocrisy of politics to people who beleive their own opinins over anything else.

laurarichardson said:

Zannaloaf said:

Once again it’s staggering the amount of conjecture and conspiracy you all can whip up without a shred of evidence, then feed into each other’s anger echo chamber. It’s like FOX news.

Please take the time to read the legal documents we are discussing. Nothing Fox news about actual facts.

M2 is out to make a dollar for herself and I do not think this is anything new for her. Judging just by her actions during the divorce. Stop seeing her as some damsel in distress. I honestly think that is how she hooked Prince.

He believed she was some women from a poor stituation who needed a black shining knight to come to her rescue.

You have ZERO facts that she is using the charity name in any profitable way. What is says it it CAN be sues that way, but that is regualr tradmark licensing, you have to pick categories. If she actually IS making money on it, then point to it. I have read them BTW. NOTHING shows she is making profit from using that name.

The other two sentences are your opinion.
That's my point.

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:

So just to get it straight. There is, a "Love 4 One Another Foundation", which is under the umbrella of In A Perfect World" Mani , which is building schools in some country in Africa named after Prince starting from seed money from Omarr. Then there is "Love 4 One Another Charities" which is owned by the Estate, but doesn't have a tax exempt status so Prince had been paying the taxes on the Charity up until 2007, but now is being revived or some mess I can't make heads or tails of. I'm not sure what's been trademarked the name "Love 4 One Another" or that handprint, but it doesn't look like the handprint is being used, so I guess it's the name, so yeah that's going to be confusing. So now we are going to have "Love 4 One Another Foundation" and "Love 4 One Another Charities" neither have anything to do with the other but they both are working under the name "Prince".


Gawd, it got messy faster than I expected it to.

Sounds like that Pantone thing where they have an official Prince purple, but for some reason they ran a campaign using Prince's name but with a different shade of purple. So they make a profit from Prince enthusist but the Estate doesn't.



Yeah, I know what I'm going to do, exactly what I have been doing. Until it's crystal clear what's going on my money stays in my pocket. I'll make my own little specialty kniknaks. It's sad to see but it's the name of the beast and I knew it was coming.


Now that folks see there's a profit to be made it's been just a free for all. I'm glad I didn't buy into much of any of it from jumpstreet.

This shit will get out to fan groups and she will get slammed.

Given that some fans are still arguing about a hologram that never happened, the idea of fans slamming somebody is no monumental feat. Some people get a major nut off of bitching at people over anything, some people act as if their entire self worth is tied up in bitching at folks over grains of salt.

I can't tell what is all going on at this point, the water is too muddy and there are too many pot stirrers hanging about. All that's certain is she filed paper a few days after Prince's death. Why?Nobody has a clue or isn't saying. Given that people have been going off the deep end about every little thing especially when it comes to some ex, I really don't get it. I'll agree that the timing looks suspect, but given that Comerica backed down mysteriously I'mma risk taking my clue from the Estate's reaction.

Here's the thing with trademarks: There are two parts to having one. First, you have to file for use of the name. But you also have to actually use the name - and be able to exhibit that you've done so. You can't just file for a trademark and keep it in perpetuity. If you don't use the name, it becomes fair game for anyone else.

I work for a company that has let the trademarks on some of our product names lapse through non-use - sometimes to our chagrin. They didn't match the direction of the company at the time or were thought to be old fashioned. Then new leadership came in, looked at some of our old stuff, and said, "Hey, that's cool! We should revive that!" only to discover that our mark had lapsed through non-use and someone else snagged it.

As shady as it seems, it happens allllll the time.

[Edited 2/15/18 11:03am]

Genesia said:

Here's the thing with trademarks: There are two parts to having one. First, you have to file for use of the name. But you also have to actually use the name - and be able to exhibit that you've done so. You can't just file for a trademark and keep it in perpetuity. If you don't use the name, it becomes fair game for anyone else.

I work for a company that has let the trademarks on some of our product names lapse through non-use - sometimes to our chagrin. They didn't match the direction of the company at the time or were thought to be old fashioned. Then new leadership came in, looked at some of our old stuff, and said, "Hey, that's cool! We should revive that!" only to discover that our mark had lapsed through non-use and someone else snagged it.

As shady as it seems, it happens allllll the time.

[Edited 2/15/18 11:03am]

Yes, but this is usaully not the first thing that comes into your mind when someone dies.

I think the sibs are okay with it and Comerica backed off. I just hope one day a school is built with Prince's name on it right here in the USA.

It seems weird that she would snag it for her own charity works when Prince had so many charites that he supported that I am sure could use the funds. It just seems self-centered to me and she is using his image like they were still together.

She was not his widow and that is how she is acting.

Zannaloaf said:

laurarichardson said:

Please take the time to read the legal documents we are discussing. Nothing Fox news about actual facts.

M2 is out to make a dollar for herself and I do not think this is anything new for her. Judging just by her actions during the divorce. Stop seeing her as some damsel in distress. I honestly think that is how she hooked Prince.

He believed she was some women from a poor stituation who needed a black shining knight to come to her rescue.

You have ZERO facts that she is using the charity name in any profitable way. What is says it it CAN be sues that way, but that is regualr tradmark licensing, you have to pick categories. If she actually IS making money on it, then point to it. I have read them BTW. NOTHING shows she is making profit from using that name.

The other two sentences are your opinion.
That's my point.

She requested to use the trademark for products. Do you think those products will be free? I believe the category was for shirts and mugs. She just announced this yesterday so I am sure she has not made a profit yet.

Are you one of those associates trolling?

Genesia said:

Here's the thing with trademarks: There are two parts to having one. First, you have to file for use of the name. But you also have to actually use the name - and be able to exhibit that you've done so. You can't just file for a trademark and keep it in perpetuity. If you don't use the name, it becomes fair game for anyone else.

I work for a company that has let the trademarks on some of our product names lapse through non-use - sometimes to our chagrin. They didn't match the direction of the company at the time or were thought to be old fashioned. Then new leadership came in, looked at some of our old stuff, and said, "Hey, that's cool! We should revive that!" only to discover that our mark had lapsed through non-use and someone else snagged it.

As shady as it seems, it happens allllll the time.

[Edited 2/15/18 11:03am]

According to meltedman's analogy, the company that originally had the trademark can still use it even though someone else registers to use it.

meltedman said:

laurarichardson said:

Because pal Mayte was not on the board of the inactive foundation. If she was well she needs to retire because she fell down on the job.

Mayte is on the board of directors and was never removed. She was unaware of it till he passed as she assumed she was removed until recently. As for what Mr. Cousins has done, it is still under investigation. But the charity is in the process of being re-activated. Can’t say much else at this time but Love 4 One Another will carry on what Prnce and Mayte started.

Reactivated by Mayte or Mani?

I will NOT, and I repeat NOT be supporting this craphole that M2 and Omarr are doing. They've milked the Prince fans enough.

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morningsong said:

Genesia said:

Here's the thing with trademarks: There are two parts to having one. First, you have to file for use of the name. But you also have to actually use the name - and be able to exhibit that you've done so. You can't just file for a trademark and keep it in perpetuity. If you don't use the name, it becomes fair game for anyone else.

I work for a company that has let the trademarks on some of our product names lapse through non-use - sometimes to our chagrin. They didn't match the direction of the company at the time or were thought to be old fashioned. Then new leadership came in, looked at some of our old stuff, and said, "Hey, that's cool! We should revive that!" only to discover that our mark had lapsed through non-use and someone else snagged it.

As shady as it seems, it happens allllll the time.

[Edited 2/15/18 11:03am]

According to meltedman's analogy, the company that originally had the trademark can still use it even though someone else registers to use it.

Is meltedman a patent lawyer or trademark expert?

If Mani gets her hooks in, starts using the mark, and uses it consistently and often, she will own it and can sue Mayte if she tries to use it. It's all about the use, at this point. Bottom line: you have to use a trademark or someone can snatch it out from under the original owner - who won't have a leg to stand on, legally.

Oh – and that whole thing about whether it's "foundation" or "charity" doesn't amount to a tinker's damn. It is "Love 4 One Another" that is the unique, markable phrase.

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