laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Again, I can't answer that question, since I am not Sheila. I also don't jump to conclusions just because some of his associates are being cryptic in their Interviews.

On that note you should jump out because you cannot answer any questions that you are asked not even trying to use critical thinking to give an educated guess.

Pipe down Laura, you are being disrespectful again! How can I answer a question I can't know the answer to? How can I say why the fuck she's so cryptic?

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

On that note you should jump out because you cannot answer any questions that you are asked not even trying to use critical thinking to give an educated guess.

Pipe down Laura, you are being disrespectful again! How can I answer a question I can't know the answer to? How can I say why the fuck she's so cryptic?

Educated guess. Try it. What do you think she means? It is called thinking. You have made several disrespectful comments about me on this very topic. I guess you do not notice when you are attacking people. I know for some people it is easy to attack someone then answer a question even if that answer is an educated guest.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Pipe down Laura, you are being disrespectful again! How can I answer a question I can't know the answer to? How can I say why the fuck she's so cryptic?

Educated guess. Try it. What do you think she means? It is called thinking. You have made several disrespectful comments about me on this very topic. I guess you do not notice when you are attacking people. I know for some people it is easy to attack someone then answer a question even if that answer is an educated guest.

No it is called jumping to conclusions, simple as that and I don't entertain that bullshit. AGAIN (and hopefully you learn it now), I refuse to answer a question I can't know the answer to. Because that would be utterly dumb. Trying to answer a questions only Sheila knows the answer to.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

Educated guess. Try it. What do you think she means? It is called thinking. You have made several disrespectful comments about me on this very topic. I guess you do not notice when you are attacking people. I know for some people it is easy to attack someone then answer a question even if that answer is an educated guest.

No it is called jumping to conclusions, simple as that and I don't entertain that bullshit. AGAIN (and hopefully you learn it now), I refuse to answer a question I can't know the answer to. Because that would be utterly dumb. Trying to answer a questions only Sheila knows the answer to.

You proved my point. Thank you.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

No it is called jumping to conclusions, simple as that and I don't entertain that bullshit. AGAIN (and hopefully you learn it now), I refuse to answer a question I can't know the answer to. Because that would be utterly dumb. Trying to answer a questions only Sheila knows the answer to.

You proved my point. Thank you.

Your experience is that if someone has a dear friend who dies of a drug overdose after a struggle with drug addiction, the typical way they would describe their loved one is something like, "he was coked out"?

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That's the way people talk about out in "real America"?

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said: I am stating my opinion, nothing more. You should Stop claiming that people said it was cancer, because NOBODY stated it clearly, they've all been cryptic. If they're talking about an illness it could also mean addiction, because, as Menes stated, it actually is an illness too.

Most people who are not reading out of some textbook do not call addiction an illness. They call it using drugs or they will say exactly what drugs are such as

He is on that crack, He is on that lean, or he is a pot head or coked out.

I guess I have to keep it real with you. Sheila even discusses drugs in the music world and her uncle Coke and his drug problem in her book. Not once in that book does she call it an illness. She plainly states her Uncle Coke was addicted to cocaine and got the name "Coke" for that reason.

Never once does she say he had an illness. People just do not go around saying things like that.

Oh none of the associated have done anything but be cryptic despite the entire world knowing what he died from. Now if you do not think that is strange then I seriously question your thought process but it is a free world.

But do not tell me it is raining when the sun is out. I hear what I hear.

People describe what the person is using or they say they are on "drugs' or use some example.

I do not know any person who refers to a drug user as someone that is ill or sick. In fact back in the day "ill" meant cool (LOL)

Damm you can find " He is on that lean" in songs playing on the radio right now.

disch said:

Your experience is that if someone has a dear friend who dies of a drug overdose after a struggle with drug addiction, the typical way they would describe their loved one is something like, "he was coked out"?

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That's the way people talk about out in "real America"?

laurarichardson said:

Most people who are not reading out of some textbook do not call addiction an illness. They call it using drugs or they will say exactly what drugs are such as

He is on that crack, He is on that lean, or he is a pot head or coked out.

I guess I have to keep it real with you. Sheila even discusses drugs in the music world and her uncle Coke and his drug problem in her book. Not once in that book does she call it an illness. She plainly states her Uncle Coke was addicted to cocaine and got the name "Coke" for that reason.

Never once does she say he had an illness. People just do not go around saying things like that.

Oh none of the associated have done anything but be cryptic despite the entire world knowing what he died from. Now if you do not think that is strange then I seriously question your thought process but it is a free world.

But do not tell me it is raining when the sun is out. I hear what I hear.

Here you go, Laura: https://www.centeronaddic...on-disease

Addiction is defined as a disease by most medical associations, including the American Medical Association and the American Society of Addiction Medicine.

Like diabetes, cancer and heart disease, addiction is caused by a combination of behavioral, environmental and biological factors. Genetic risks factors account for about half of the likelihood that an individual will develop addiction.

laurarichardson said:

People describe what the person is using or they say they are on "drugs' or use some example.

I do not know any person who refers to a drug user as someone that is ill or sick. In fact back in the day "ill" meant cool (LOL)

Damm you can find " He is on that lean" in songs playing on the radio right now.

disch said:

Your experience is that if someone has a dear friend who dies of a drug overdose after a struggle with drug addiction, the typical way they would describe their loved one is something like, "he was coked out"?

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That's the way people talk about out in "real America"?

I am fully aware of what some medical assoications say. I just do not agree with it. You also realize that has not always been the case.

It also has nothing to do with Prince' s case if from what information we have he was prescribed pain meds for pain and was dependent on them.

Do you honestly think that people who are prescribed pain meds for long term chronic pain have a disease? If they did not have the health issues they would not have needed to take the pain meds so how would they be classified as victims of a disease.

The strength of these meds was increased over the last 15 years and over prescribed to many patients fuling the epidemic we now have.

20 years ago if you have your wisdom tooth pulled the dentist gave you a Tylenol 3 now you get a percocet. I would bet had someome given Prince a Tylenol 3 he might not have been on this road.

Just for your information I tore a legiment in my arm and was offered a Vicodin. I am taking Tylenol 3 and managing just fine. If I had taken the Vicodin and let us say I got hooked on them I guess I would have a disease as well. Everybody's situation is different and this is what happens when you sit at the internet with a textbook while on your lunch break. Stop wasting your time and troll somewhere else.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Here you go, Laura: https://www.centeronaddic...on-disease

Addiction is defined as a disease by most medical associations, including the American Medical Association and the American Society of Addiction Medicine.

Like diabetes, cancer and heart disease, addiction is caused by a combination of behavioral, environmental and biological factors. Genetic risks factors account for about half of the likelihood that an individual will develop addiction.

laurarichardson said:

People describe what the person is using or they say they are on "drugs' or use some example.

I do not know any person who refers to a drug user as someone that is ill or sick. In fact back in the day "ill" meant cool (LOL)

Damm you can find " He is on that lean" in songs playing on the radio right now.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Here you go, Laura: https://www.centeronaddic...on-disease

Addiction is defined as a disease by most medical associations, including the American Medical Association and the American Society of Addiction Medicine.

Like diabetes, cancer and heart disease, addiction is caused by a combination of behavioral, environmental and biological factors. Genetic risks factors account for about half of the likelihood that an individual will develop addiction.

laurarichardson said:

People describe what the person is using or they say they are on "drugs' or use some example.

I do not know any person who refers to a drug user as someone that is ill or sick. In fact back in the day "ill" meant cool (LOL)

Damm you can find " He is on that lean" in songs playing on the radio right now.

TWD, it matters not if you printed that out in every spectrum of color that is visible to the human eye, she would still claim that it is not a disease.

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disch said:

Your experience is that if someone has a dear friend who dies of a drug overdose after a struggle with drug addiction, the typical way they would describe their loved one is something like, "he was coked out"?

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That's the way people talk about out in "real America"?

laurarichardson said:

Most people who are not reading out of some textbook do not call addiction an illness. They call it using drugs or they will say exactly what drugs are such as

He is on that crack, He is on that lean, or he is a pot head or coked out.

I guess I have to keep it real with you. Sheila even discusses drugs in the music world and her uncle Coke and his drug problem in her book. Not once in that book does she call it an illness. She plainly states her Uncle Coke was addicted to cocaine and got the name "Coke" for that reason.

Never once does she say he had an illness. People just do not go around saying things like that.

Oh none of the associated have done anything but be cryptic despite the entire world knowing what he died from. Now if you do not think that is strange then I seriously question your thought process but it is a free world.

But do not tell me it is raining when the sun is out. I hear what I hear.

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Menes said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Here you go, Laura: https://www.centeronaddic...on-disease

Addiction is defined as a disease by most medical associations, including the American Medical Association and the American Society of Addiction Medicine.

Like diabetes, cancer and heart disease, addiction is caused by a combination of behavioral, environmental and biological factors. Genetic risks factors account for about half of the likelihood that an individual will develop addiction.

TWD, it matters not if you printed that out in every spectrum of color that is visible to the human eye, she would still claim that it is not a disease. I am trying to get her to take a day off from appearing to be so uneducated and shallow.

I said I do not agree with. That is my opinion I am free to have it. I find it funny that none of you ever answer any questions that counter stuff you just pull off the internet.

Doctors and medical associations change there opinions on things all the time.

50 years ago Gays were classified in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders . Lobbying got homosexuality removed.

60 years ago women were told to drink and smoke cigs while pregnant.

Sorry I believe if I decide to become a drunk it will be because I choose to do it. Not because of anything genetic, enviromental or biological. I actually come from a family of drinkers and I never touch the stuff and neither did my parents. I guess we missed out on those bad genes or maybe we used our common sense and decided not to do something so stupid.

The problem with this stuff is that it takes personal responsibility away and discounts real medical issues ( like chronic pain) were by people have no choice but to take drugs. Life is not a one shoe fits all stituation.

Menes said:

disch said:

Your experience is that if someone has a dear friend who dies of a drug overdose after a struggle with drug addiction, the typical way they would describe their loved one is something like, "he was coked out"?

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That's the way people talk about out in "real America"?

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laurarichardson said:

Menes said:

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Sheila is going to be interviewed on Extra this eveing.

Menes said:

laurarichardson said:

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laurarichardson said:

I am fully aware of what some medical assoications say. I just do not agree with it. You also realize that has not always been the case.

It also has nothing to do with Prince' s case if from what information we have he was prescribed pain meds for pain and was dependent on them.

Do you honestly think that people who are prescribed pain meds for long term chronic pain have a disease? If they did not have the health issues they would not have needed to take the pain meds so how would they be classified as victims of a disease.

The strength of these meds was increased over the last 15 years and over prescribed to many patients fuling the epidemic we now have.

20 years ago if you have your wisdom tooth pulled the dentist gave you a Tylenol 3 now you get a percocet. I would bet had someome given Prince a Tylenol 3 he might not have been on this road.

Just for your information I tore a legiment in my arm and was offered a Vicodin. I am taking Tylenol 3 and managing just fine. If I had taken the Vicodin and let us say I got hooked on them I guess I would have a disease as well. Everybody's situation is different and this is what happens when you sit at the internet with a textbook while on your lunch break. Stop wasting your time and troll somewhere else.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Here you go, Laura: https://www.centeronaddic...on-disease

Addiction is defined as a disease by most medical associations, including the American Medical Association and the American Society of Addiction Medicine.

Like diabetes, cancer and heart disease, addiction is caused by a combination of behavioral, environmental and biological factors. Genetic risks factors account for about half of the likelihood that an individual will develop addiction.

people do call it an illness.
Check out the language at AA meetings. They call it an illness.

And cocaine addiction is different from pain pills addiction -if the person only took them because they had to for pain.

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

Sheila is going to be interviewed on Extra this eveing.

Why?

Did I miss it? Or as in tonight, Wednesday Jan. 31st?

pluto used to be called a planet. they classify and declassify things in science all the time.

Scientist have differing opinions. so it seems some folks could say it is disease and

some say it is not. Scientific opinions differ all the time.

I meant specifically how a person would decribe a dear friend who died of an overdose after an addictions stuggle, not how someone might talk about a stranger or use as a lyric in a song.

laurarichardson said:

People describe what the person is using or they say they are on "drugs' or use some example.

I do not know any person who refers to a drug user as someone that is ill or sick. In fact back in the day "ill" meant cool (LOL)

Damm you can find " He is on that lean" in songs playing on the radio right now.

disch said:

Your experience is that if someone has a dear friend who dies of a drug overdose after a struggle with drug addiction, the typical way they would describe their loved one is something like, "he was coked out"?

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That's the way people talk about out in "real America"?

purplefam99 said:

pluto used to be called a planet. they classify and declassify things in science all the time.

Scientist have differing opinions. so it seems some folks could say it is disease and

some say it is not. Scientific opinions differ all the time.

Yes, exactly. And it will continue to be this way. How many times has coffee or wine or eggs been declared bad for you and then it's good and then it's bad again? It changes all the time. I agree that not everyone sees addictions of any type as a disease process versus having the will power to stay away from things that you KNOW are bad for you/your health. But classifying these things as diseases allows a lot more people to make a lot more money.

I think it goes beyond just a lack of will power. Prince had will power galore in many many other areas of his life.

Mumio said:

purplefam99 said:

pluto used to be called a planet. they classify and declassify things in science all the time.

Scientist have differing opinions. so it seems some folks could say it is disease and

some say it is not. Scientific opinions differ all the time.

Yes, exactly. And it will continue to be this way. How many times has coffee or wine or eggs been declared bad for you and then it's good and then it's bad again? It changes all the time. I agree that not everyone sees addictions of any type as a disease process versus having the will power to stay away from things that you KNOW are bad for you/your health. But classifying these things as diseases allows a lot more people to make a lot more money.

If I had a frined that was on drugs I would say they were using drugs.

disch said:

I meant specifically how a person would decribe a dear friend who died of an overdose after an addictions stuggle, not how someone might talk about a stranger or use as a lyric in a song.

laurarichardson said:

People describe what the person is using or they say they are on "drugs' or use some example.

I do not know any person who refers to a drug user as someone that is ill or sick. In fact back in the day "ill" meant cool (LOL)

Damm you can find " He is on that lean" in songs playing on the radio right now.

purplerabbithole said:

I think it goes beyond just a lack of will power. Prince had will power galore in many many other areas of his life.

Mumio said:

Yes, exactly. And it will continue to be this way. How many times has coffee or wine or eggs been declared bad for you and then it's good and then it's bad again? It changes all the time. I agree that not everyone sees addictions of any type as a disease process versus having the will power to stay away from things that you KNOW are bad for you/your health. But classifying these things as diseases allows a lot more people to make a lot more money.

Co-sign and thank you. Realize calling it a disease has created an industry. Different people have different issues.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

Sheila is going to be interviewed on Extra this eveing.

Why?

Because she was at the Prince Super Bowl event and she is a famous person. She mentioned it on her Facebook page so who knows when they are going to show it.

Noted that's your preferred terminology for that situation. Prince wasn't on drugs at the time Sheila was talking, since he was dead.

laurarichardson said:

If I had a frined that was on drugs I would say they were using drugs.

disch said:

I meant specifically how a person would decribe a dear friend who died of an overdose after an addictions stuggle, not how someone might talk about a stranger or use as a lyric in a song.

purplerabbithole said:

I think it goes beyond just a lack of will power. Prince had will power galore in many many other areas of his life.

Mumio said:

Yes, exactly. And it will continue to be this way. How many times has coffee or wine or eggs been declared bad for you and then it's good and then it's bad again? It changes all the time. I agree that not everyone sees addictions of any type as a disease process versus having the will power to stay away from things that you KNOW are bad for you/your health. But classifying these things as diseases allows a lot more people to make a lot more money.

If he was taking meds for pain control then will power has nothing to do with his situation. But carry on with what you believe

Mumio said:

purplerabbithole said:

I think it goes beyond just a lack of will power. Prince had will power galore in many many other areas of his life.

If he was taking meds for pain control then will power has nothing to do with his situation. But carry on with what you believe

Some people on this board still have no idea how powerful they have made these drugs over the last 15 years or so. The information is out there to find out on their own.

Mumio said:

purplefam99 said:

pluto used to be called a planet. they classify and declassify things in science all the time.

Scientist have differing opinions. so it seems some folks could say it is disease and

some say it is not. Scientific opinions differ all the time.

Yes, exactly. And it will continue to be this way. How many times has coffee or wine or eggs been declared bad for you and then it's good and then it's bad again? It changes all the time. I agree that not everyone sees addictions of any type as a disease process versus having the will power to stay away from things that you KNOW are bad for you/your health. But classifying these things as diseases allows a lot more people to make a lot more money.

Actually... a recent study concluded that selective test subjects without cloned and exact 'controlled' equivalents, were bad for conclusive study.

99% of me could tell you that!... use your brain*!

*[indicates necessary condescension to be allowed into this discussion]