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Reply #60 posted 01/06/18 10:19am

pinkcashmere23

djThunderfunk said:

I really enjoy Superconductor and recognize Andy's talent from material she's done outside of her work with Prince, BUT, I still have a hard time believing that she is responsible for as much of the writing on the album as she is given credit for.

I will concede that it is possible that I feel this way because of the musicians involved with the recording making it sound like a Prince record, but, I'm just not buying it.

That said, many people who's knowledge and opinions I greatly respect have told me I'm wrong about this and that she really did write 2/3 of the album, so, I'm willing to concede that I might be very wrong here. wink

I think they probably collaborated on more songs than was mentioned.Andy said during one of her Music Mondays that she and Prince wrote Story Of You & I and that was not credited to Prince in the liner notes.She said at her shows in 2013 that she wrote Yellow Gold about someone she had a crush on but was afraid to tell them and that she wrote If I Was King for someone else but she liked it so much she kept it for herself.Dr.Funkenberry said in a podcast last year that she wrote it for Prince but took it back,something she confirmed in a FB Q&A.The lyrics for Nothing More and When Stars Collide are very Prince like and I think they may have written them together though she said in the Q&A that she wrote the last verse of Nothing More after Prince told her it needed another one.I think that Prince probably composed the music since the melody is so similar to The Love We Make.People Pleaser is credited to Andy. I believe Superconductor and Long Gone were written by Prince and The Calm is credited to both.

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Reply #61 posted 01/06/18 10:42am

FlyOnTheWall

pinkcashmere23 said:

djThunderfunk said:

I really enjoy Superconductor and recognize Andy's talent from material she's done outside of her work with Prince, BUT, I still have a hard time believing that she is responsible for as much of the writing on the album as she is given credit for.

I will concede that it is possible that I feel this way because of the musicians involved with the recording making it sound like a Prince record, but, I'm just not buying it.

That said, many people who's knowledge and opinions I greatly respect have told me I'm wrong about this and that she really did write 2/3 of the album, so, I'm willing to concede that I might be very wrong here. wink

I think they probably collaborated on more songs than was mentioned.Andy said during one of her Music Mondays that she and Prince wrote Story Of You and that was not credited to Prince in the liner notes.She said at her shows in 2013 that she wrote Yellow Gold about someone she had a crush on but was afraid to tell them and that she wrote If I Was King for someone else but she liked it so much she kept it for herself.Dr.Funkenberry said in a podcast last year that she wrote it for Prince but took it back,something she confirmed in a FB Q&A.The lyrics for Nothing More and When Stars Collide are very Prince like and I think they may have written them together though she said in the Q&A that she wrote the last verse of Nothing More after Prince told her it needed another one.People Pleaser is credited to Andy. I believe Superconductor and Long Gone were written by Prince and The Calm is credited to both.

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This is what I meant when I said that Andy is underrated as a songwriter. She is listed as the composer for her entire independent first album (2009), unFresh, which was released when she was only 20 years-old and she has been writing poetry since she was a young girl growing up in Cameroon. Chick is a go-getter. She worked full-time and also modeled to self-finance that first album, which I happen to like just as much or more than Superconductor.

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Reply #62 posted 01/06/18 11:13am

FunkOnTheOne

TrivialPursuit said:



LaurenceNoonan said:


Who do you all think is the most overrated protégé?


People have said apples, but I don't think she was overrated. A6 had one decent song. Prince's fault was he was blinded by a nice pair of titties in favor of talent. While Vanity was no Whitney, she was also only slightly better vocally than Apollonia. Apollonia never wanted to sing that bad. Her solo album was just striking when the iron was hot. There were no great strides to have a music career there. Her thing has always been acting. So, she's not overrated - she just doesn't rate that much.

Vanity was a sweet person and was just so beautiful. But Vanity 6 was truly a girl group, not a solo act. It took Brenda & Susan to bring it up to a decent level of listening. Prince's songs were way stronger on that record than A6. (Remember "Manic Monday", "The Glamorous Life" and "17 Days" was meant for A6 at some point.)

For me, I think Andy Allo was overrated. I never saw anything that wasn't Prince touched. She had no style of her own. Even Sheila kept her individuality during it all (although these days she acts like she's Prince reincarnated).

Not sure if you'd consider them proteges but the Game Boyz were trash when it came to being a rap group. I'll give Kirk props for being a drummer, tho.

Now Carmen... oh boy. For her, I don't get the whole rap thing. It doesn't seem like her at all. She was just drop dead gorgeous and probably one of the most beautiful women Prince ever had around him. But as a rapper - the only thing inevitable was her demise as a solo artist. It's no small irony that someone who had very little musical talent lives next door to someone else with very little musical talent. Carmen and Apollonia are neighbors, or were for a very long time, as evidenced by an MTV Cribs episode with Carmen where she takes the camera next door and out pops Apollonia & her husband.

Also, for sure, Ingrid. She always came across as some self-important, quasi-spiritual, thinks-she-has-the-inside-joke chick, the latter trait that Alicia Keys has always giggling to herself like she knows something the other 316,000,000 in the U.S. don't.



Couldn't disagree with you more about Ingrid. She was probably one of the few artists that developed her own sound that wasn't Prince largely due to Prince's minimal involvement.
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Reply #63 posted 01/06/18 11:49am

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I think they probably collaborated on more songs than was mentioned.Andy said during one of her Music Mondays that she and Prince wrote Story Of You and that was not credited to Prince in the liner notes.She said at her shows in 2013 that she wrote Yellow Gold about someone she had a crush on but was afraid to tell them and that she wrote If I Was King for someone else but she liked it so much she kept it for herself.Dr.Funkenberry said in a podcast last year that she wrote it for Prince but took it back,something she confirmed in a FB Q&A.The lyrics for Nothing More and When Stars Collide are very Prince like and I think they may have written them together though she said in the Q&A that she wrote the last verse of Nothing More after Prince told her it needed another one.People Pleaser is credited to Andy. I believe Superconductor and Long Gone were written by Prince and The Calm is credited to both.

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This is what I meant when I said that Andy is underrated as a songwriter. She is listed as the composer for her entire independent first album (2009), unFresh, which was released when she was only 20 years-old and she has been writing poetry since she was a young girl growing up in Cameroon. Chick is a go-getter. She worked full-time and also modeled to self-finance that first album, which I happen to like just as much or more than Superconductor.

I do think the songs on unFresh are well written and composed.Marcus Anderson said on a Dr.F podcast that he was impressed with Andy as a songwriter and Dr.F said that Prince said that all the time about her.She said in the documentary that they wrote so many songs together that there was an overlap of each others lyrics, such as Prince using When Stars Collide in Rock and Roll LoveAffair but in a 2013 interview with Blackalicious she said that he took it directly from her song and that he wrote R&R Affair after it.She also said that What It Feels Like was inspired by WSC and is a continuation of the song so she may have written it herself.

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Reply #64 posted 01/06/18 12:19pm

FlyOnTheWall

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

This is what I meant when I said that Andy is underrated as a songwriter. She is listed as the composer for her entire independent first album (2009), unFresh, which was released when she was only 20 years-old and she has been writing poetry since she was a young girl growing up in Cameroon. Chick is a go-getter. She worked full-time and also modeled to self-finance that first album, which I happen to like just as much or more than Superconductor.

I do think the songs on unFresh are well written and composed.Marcus Anderson said on a Dr.F podcast that he was impressed with Andy as a songwriter and Dr.F said that Prince said that all the time about her.She said in the documentary that they wrote so many songs together that there was an overlap of each others lyrics, such as Prince using When Stars Collide in Rock and Roll LoveAffair but in a 2013 interview with Blackalicious she said that he took it directly from her song and that he wrote R&R Affair after it.She also said that What It Feels Like was inspired by WSC and is a continuation of the song so she may have written it herself.

I think this type of assessment is very unfair to her. According to Prince Vault, except for "Superconductor" and "Long Gone," which were written by Prince, and "The Calm," which she and Prince co-wrote, Andy is credited with writing all of the remaining songs on Superconductor.

She is also a very shrewd businesswoman who owns the rights to all of her albums, including Superconductor (except for her and Prince's Oui Can Luv). In retrospect, if she had not made the fateful decision to self-publish Superconductor, it might possibly be tied up in Prince's estate forever.

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Reply #65 posted 01/06/18 12:42pm

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I do think the songs on unFresh are well written and composed.Marcus Anderson said on a Dr.F podcast that he was impressed with Andy as a songwriter and Dr.F said that Prince said that all the time about her.She said in the documentary that they wrote so many songs together that there was an overlap of each others lyrics, such as Prince using When Stars Collide in Rock and Roll LoveAffair but in a 2013 interview with Blackalicious she said that he took it directly from her song and that he wrote R&R Affair after it.She also said that What It Feels Like was inspired by WSC and is a continuation of the song so she may have written it herself.

I think this type of assessment is very unfair to her. According to Prince Vault, except for "Superconductor" and "Long Gone," which were written by Prince, and "The Calm," which she and Prince co-wrote, Andy is credited with writing all of the remaining songs on Superconductor.

She is also a very shrewd businesswoman who, with the exception of her and Prince's Oui Can Luv, owns the rights to all of her albums, including Superconductor. In retrospect, if she had not made the fateful decision to self-publish Superconductor, it might possibly be tied up in Prince's estate forever.

Since she revealed last year that Story Of You & I was written with Prince, it did make me wonder if they wrote more together.She did say in the interview with Blackalicious that she wrote WSC.It's a good interview btw and she spoke a lot about Prince and Superconductor.The chat she had with thebabymonster on podbean in 2013 was very informative also.That was a smart move on her part to put out Superconductor herself.Prince mentioned that in his interview with Dr F and he seemed proud of that.

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Reply #66 posted 01/06/18 1:46pm

FlyOnTheWall

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I think this type of assessment is very unfair to her. According to Prince Vault, except for "Superconductor" and "Long Gone," which were written by Prince, and "The Calm," which she and Prince co-wrote, Andy is credited with writing all of the remaining songs on Superconductor.

She is also a very shrewd businesswoman who, with the exception of her and Prince's Oui Can Luv, owns the rights to all of her albums, including Superconductor. In retrospect, if she had not made the fateful decision to self-publish Superconductor, it might possibly be tied up in Prince's estate forever.

Since she revealed last year that Story Of You & I was written with Prince, it did make me wonder if they wrote more together.She did say in the interview with Blackalicious that she wrote WSC.It's a good interview btw and she spoke a lot about Prince and Superconductor.That was a smart move on her part to put out Superconductor herself.Prince mentioned that in his interview with Dr F and he seemed proud of that.

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Okay. I understand. Also, I agree: he was very proud of her.

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Reply #67 posted 01/06/18 3:05pm

SoulAlive

jaawwnn said:


Jill Jones said going out with Prince involved making an album and once that was made and released he lost interest in you and said she saw it happen a lot of times. While i'm not saying this is definitely what happened here I'd be willing to assume that habit was at least part of the reason.

It really does seem like it happened that way biggrin look at all the female proteges who made one album then they were quickly forgotten and discarded: Taja Sevelle,Ingrid Chavez,Bria,etc

Sheila E. is one of the lucky ones.She at least made three albums smile

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Reply #68 posted 01/06/18 3:06pm

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Since she revealed last year that Story Of You & I was written with Prince, it did make me wonder if they wrote more together.She did say in the interview with Blackalicious that she wrote WSC.It's a good interview btw and she spoke a lot about Prince and Superconductor.That was a smart move on her part to put out Superconductor herself.Prince mentioned that in his interview with Dr F and he seemed proud of that.

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Okay. I understand. Also, I agree: he was very proud of her.

Yes.I think it would have been nice if they could have done another album together.Andy posted some demos in early 2013 on her blog that may have been intended for another project.I think One Step Closer may have been one of the songs included since the other songs had a similar sound.She also posted on her FB about the possibility of doing an album with more duets when AOA was released.

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Reply #69 posted 01/06/18 3:54pm

FlyOnTheWall

SoulAlive said:

jaawwnn said:


Jill Jones said going out with Prince involved making an album and once that was made and released he lost interest in you and said she saw it happen a lot of times. While i'm not saying this is definitely what happened here I'd be willing to assume that habit was at least part of the reason.

It really does seem like it happened that way biggrin look at all the female proteges who made one album then they were quickly forgotten and discarded: Taja Sevelle,Ingrid Chavez,Bria,etc

Sheila E. is one of the lucky ones.She at least made three albums smile

In addition to Superconductor, Andy was also involved in Art Official Age and HNR 1 & 2. Not to mention the acoustic album, Oui Can Luv.

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Reply #70 posted 01/06/18 3:57pm

Vashtix

SoulAlive said:

jaawwnn said:


Jill Jones said going out with Prince involved making an album and once that was made and released he lost interest in you and said she saw it happen a lot of times. While i'm not saying this is definitely what happened here I'd be willing to assume that habit was at least part of the reason.

It really does seem like it happened that way biggrin look at all the female proteges who made one album then they were quickly forgotten and discarded: Taja Sevelle,Ingrid Chavez,Bria,etc

Sheila E. is one of the lucky ones.She at least made three albums smile

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Reply #71 posted 01/06/18 4:22pm

pinkcashmere23

SoulAlive said:

jaawwnn said:


Jill Jones said going out with Prince involved making an album and once that was made and released he lost interest in you and said she saw it happen a lot of times. While i'm not saying this is definitely what happened here I'd be willing to assume that habit was at least part of the reason.

It really does seem like it happened that way biggrin look at all the female proteges who made one album then they were quickly forgotten and discarded: Taja Sevelle,Ingrid Chavez,Bria,etc

Sheila E. is one of the lucky ones.She at least made three albums smile

True! Hers are the best in my opinion, along with Jill's but I think the albums he did with Tamar,Bria,Andy and Judith are good for the most part.I wanted Tamar's to have a proper release as planned.I think her album deserved to be heard and I was disappointed when it was shelved.

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Reply #72 posted 01/06/18 6:00pm

OldFriends4Sal
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jaawwnn said:

purplerabbithole said:

Elisa stated that when she first got rehired, it was to be singing backing vocals for Bria while she sang Elixir on Jay Leno but P had to do SHOE instead due to Bria's stage fright. Maybe, there was nothing P could do for Bria's career. As for Andy, who knows why P "lost interest"in later albums. Maybe, she wanted to do it independently.


Jill Jones said going out with Prince involved making an album and once that was made and released he lost interest in you and said she saw it happen a lot of times. While i'm not saying this is definitely what happened here I'd be willing to assume that habit was at least part of the reason.

I don't think that is totally true, even if it could seem like that from JJ's perspective

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Vanity would have had 2+ but it was Vanity that left the camp

Sheila E would have had 4+ but she left the camp

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what other female (frontman) proteges from the 80s were there?
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Taja Sevelle had 2 albums?
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Prince (even though they did not date) worked with Sheena from 1983-1989

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Carmen Electra would have had a 2nd album

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What other 1990s proteges?
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What other 2000s proteges?
Bria Valente didn't do anything to support the album she had (She bowed out not Prince)
Andy Allo had an album and worked on other Prince songs etc

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Reply #73 posted 01/06/18 7:10pm

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

SoulAlive said:

It really does seem like it happened that way biggrin look at all the female proteges who made one album then they were quickly forgotten and discarded: Taja Sevelle,Ingrid Chavez,Bria,etc

Sheila E. is one of the lucky ones.She at least made three albums smile

In addition to Superconductor, Andy was also involved in Art Official Age and HNR 1 & 2. Not to mention the acoustic album, Oui Can Luv.

I'm not sure that the songs on Oui Can Luv were recorded with the intent of putting together an album.Someone asked Andy in a chat on her FB in 2015 if she had any more material in Prince's vault and she said that she thought there were a few acoustic cuts laying around.In the interview from September 2015 that was posted on Jamie Starr News recently she said that she and Prince did some acoustic covers that she hoped would be heard one day.About a month later Prince streamed Oui Can Luv on Tidal.Andy said in a chat on Funkatopia radio in 2014 that the duets on AOA were written and recorded during the making of Superconductor and she wasn't sure at the time what Prince was going to do with them.She hasn't said much about Phase1 or 2,just that they wrote and recorded a lot of songs together and some ended up on the last few albums.I think the only Prince album she had official credits on was AOA.

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Reply #74 posted 01/06/18 7:38pm

FlyOnTheWall

pinkcashmere23 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

In addition to Superconductor, Andy was also involved in Art Official Age and HNR 1 & 2. Not to mention the acoustic album, Oui Can Luv.

I'm not sure that the songs on Oui Can Luv were recorded with the intent of putting together an album.Someone asked Andy in a chat on her FB in 2015 if she had any more material in Prince's vault and she said that she thought there were a few acoustic cuts laying around.In the interview from September 2015 that was posted on Jamie Starr News recently she said that she and Prince did some acoustic covers that she hoped would be heard one day.About a month later Prince streamed Oui Can Luv on Tidal.Andy said in a chat on Funkatopia radio in 2014 that the duets on AOA were written and recorded during the making of Superconductor and she wasn't sure at the time what Prince was going to do with them.She hasn't said much about Phase1 or 2,just that they wrote and recorded a lot of songs together and some ended up on the last few albums.I think the only Prince album she had official credits on was AOA.

Whatever the intent, the end result was an acoustic album: Oui Can Luv. In the final analysis, I'm very hopeful that we will one day hear more of their collaborations that are presumably tucked away at Iron Mountain in California. Hopefully, the matter of credits and royalties will not stand in the way of that happening.

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Reply #75 posted 01/06/18 8:54pm

pinkcashmere23

FlyOnTheWall said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

I'm not sure that the songs on Oui Can Luv were recorded with the intent of putting together an album. Someone asked Andy in a chat on her FB in 2015 if she had any more material in Prince's vault and she said that she thought there were a few acoustic cuts laying around. In the interview from September 2015 that was posted on Jamie Starr News recently she said that she and Prince did some acoustic covers that she hoped would be heard one day. About a month later Prince streamed Oui Can Luv on Tidal.Andy said in a chat on Funkatopia radio in 2014 that the duets on AOA were written and recorded during the making of Superconductor and she wasn't sure at the time what Prince was going to do with them. She hasn't said much about Phase1 or 2,just that they wrote and recorded a lot of songs together and some ended up on the last few albums. I think the only Prince album she had official credits on was AOA.

Whatever the intent, the end result was an acoustic album: Oui Can Luv. In the final analysis, I'm very hopeful that we will one day hear more of their collaborations that are presumably tucked away at Iron Mountain in California. Hopefully, the matter of credits and royalties will not stand in the way of that happening.

True.In 2011 it was rumored that they were working on a project called The L/C and the songs from Oui Can Luv may have originally been part of that.

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Reply #76 posted 01/06/18 9:00pm

robertgeorge

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For the time, money and effort put into her as a recording and video artist, I would say Carmen Electra.

For an artist I heard far too much of it would be CLAP YOUR HANDS for Shelby J

T.C Ellis was pretty talentless all things considering Tony M was superior and New Power Generation was his high point (And yes I did find his C.D in a wrecka stow strangely).

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Reply #77 posted 01/07/18 7:19am

Empress

SoulAlive said:



jaawwnn said:



Jill Jones said going out with Prince involved making an album and once that was made and released he lost interest in you and said she saw it happen a lot of times. While i'm not saying this is definitely what happened here I'd be willing to assume that habit was at least part of the reason.





It really does seem like it happened that way biggrin look at all the female proteges who made one album then they were quickly forgotten and discarded: Taja Sevelle,Ingrid Chavez,Bria,etc



Sheila E. is one of the lucky ones.She at least made three albums smile


This is because Sheila has REAL talent. Most of the others were low on the REAL talent scale. Sure, some of them had a decent voice, but no REAL musical talent.
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Reply #78 posted 01/07/18 7:24am

jaawwnn

OldFriends4Sale said:

jaawwnn said:


Jill Jones said going out with Prince involved making an album and once that was made and released he lost interest in you and said she saw it happen a lot of times. While i'm not saying this is definitely what happened here I'd be willing to assume that habit was at least part of the reason.

I don't think that is totally true, even if it could seem like that from JJ's perspective

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Vanity would have had 2+ but it was Vanity that left the camp

Sheila E would have had 4+ but she left the camp

.

what other female (frontman) proteges from the 80s were there?
.
Taja Sevelle had 2 albums?
.
Prince (even though they did not date) worked with Sheena from 1983-1989

.

Carmen Electra would have had a 2nd album

.

What other 1990s proteges?
.
What other 2000s proteges?
Bria Valente didn't do anything to support the album she had (She bowed out not Prince)
Andy Allo had an album and worked on other Prince songs etc

I would suspect that going out with Prince involved a seriously intense level of courtship and recording over a period of time before he moved onto someone else. So why he might not officially drop you, so to speak, it would be clear that his thoughts and attentions were elsewhere and you had become a low-level priority. I'd say this led a lot of people to sever the connection with him themselves. Sheila E. was already a musician and playing music was what she was going to do anyway so it probably lasted longer for that reason. Just my guess, speculation of course.

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Reply #79 posted 01/07/18 9:16am

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First of all NONE well almost NONE are very well rated by critics of music, almost all have gotten horrible reviews for everything they did. With the exception of the Time and Wendy and Lisa, but WL i dont really call a protege they were fired band members who needed to work. For me protege wise I never was crazy about Ingrid Chavez, a little bit catchy but this was nothing more than a girl with a cool vibe that he dug, many fans erect a statue to her. Carmen was never rated highly except by PRINCE. So if that is what we are talking about then you can say her. But to me i think more of who people gloss over, to me Andy Allo is about the best out there, mainly because she can write and play and just walk in a club with her guitar and her hat and get on a stool and play and keep you interested, very few of Prince's proteges could do that, or at least be consistent doing it.


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Reply #80 posted 01/07/18 10:17am

Vashtix

Tamar has talent and I think she is overlooked
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Reply #81 posted 01/07/18 10:20am

pinkcashmere23

Vashtix said:

Tamar has talent and I would say she and Judith both of the latter set have great voices.

Judith also plays the piano quite well and she plays guitar too.

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Reply #82 posted 01/07/18 5:26pm

OldFriends4Sal
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Empress said:

SoulAlive said:

It really does seem like it happened that way biggrin look at all the female proteges who made one album then they were quickly forgotten and discarded: Taja Sevelle,Ingrid Chavez,Bria,etc

Sheila E. is one of the lucky ones.She at least made three albums smile

This is because Sheila has REAL talent. Most of the others were low on the REAL talent scale. Sure, some of them had a decent voice, but no REAL musical talent.

Vanity had a stage charisma that gave her a level of fame even Sheila didn't have 84-87

or at least evened them out. I think if she didn't have those other issues and the relation with Prince turned into friendship, she would have been bigger.

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Sheila's sexiness wasn't genuine. But it was sexy the way she played the percussion.

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Reply #83 posted 01/07/18 5:44pm

SoulAlive

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vanity had a stage charisma that gave her a level of fame even Sheila didn't have 84-87

or at least evened them out. I think if she didn't have those other issues and the relation with Prince turned into friendship, she would have been bigger.

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Sheila's sexiness wasn't genuine. But it was sexy the way she played the percussion.

This is one of the rare times that I have to disagree with you smile Sheila's sexiness was 100% genuine.The difference is,unilke some of the others,she had real talent in additon to the sexiness and good looks.

Image result for sheila e in lingerie

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Reply #84 posted 01/07/18 6:50pm

Lovejunky

lastdecember said:

First of all NONE well almost NONE are very well rated by critics of music, almost all have gotten horrible reviews for everything they did. With the exception of the Time and Wendy and Lisa, but WL i dont really call a protege they were fired band members who needed to work. For me protege wise I never was crazy about Ingrid Chavez, a little bit catchy but this was nothing more than a girl with a cool vibe that he dug, many fans erect a statue to her. Carmen was never rated highly except by PRINCE. So if that is what we are talking about then you can say her. But to me i think more of who people gloss over, to me Andy Allo is about the best out there, mainly because she can write and play and just walk in a club with her guitar and her hat and get on a stool and play and keep you interested, very few of Prince's proteges could do that, or at least be consistent doing it.

I agree 100%

SHe is the real deal...

Im impressed that she is still evolving and growing....

and

She didnt hang around that distinctly Prince Sound..

she has kept her sense of self, developed her own style even further

in fact she continues to evolve..

Plus..

Total sweet heart...super fresh clean enerG

Open hearted and really lovely...

I do get a "maybe Im fluid in my sexuality"vibe from her

but thats besdie the point.

Shes under ,rather than overrated..

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Reply #85 posted 01/08/18 5:23am

OldFriends4Sal
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I didn't say she wasn't sexy. She was completely sexy when playing instruments or certain dancing. That seemed to come natural.
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That half naked photo doesn't prove 'genuine' sexiness lol

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Which is why most reviews of her shows from Glamorous Life - Sheila E, the people always questioned it. That is seemed a bit forced, questioned whether or not it was Prince she was copying etc Like the part of the GL tour where she would simulate giving the guy head, it seemed more humorous to Sheila than sexy. Which by the way (I could be wrong) but she was the first of many to follow who started bring a man up on stage and giving some degree of sex teasing/simulation. GO Sheila E

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Sheila E was always questioning it herself and apologizing for it even. That she wanted to be proven a musician and a not a sexy woman. And she was like that(non sex) when she performed as a musician prior to Prince. The story of her coming to (Uptown) to meet Prince when it was time to craft the vision and she is dressed like a jock, as JJ remembered.

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Vanity & even Susan Moonsie's sexiness was fluid, even when acting, it was more comfortable.

I don't think Sheila was as comfortable in her sexiness or looks as Vanity/Denise was.

And having her past of sexual abuse I can understand the need to cover it up.

SoulAlive said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vanity had a stage charisma that gave her a level of fame even Sheila didn't have 84-87

or at least evened them out. I think if she didn't have those other issues and the relation with Prince turned into friendship, she would have been bigger.

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Sheila's sexiness wasn't genuine. But it was sexy the way she played the percussion.

This is one of the rare times that I have to disagree with you smile Sheila's sexiness was 100% genuine.The difference is,unilke some of the others,she had real talent in additon to the sexiness and good looks.

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Lovejunky said:

lastdecember said:

First of all NONE well almost NONE are very well rated by critics of music, almost all have gotten horrible reviews for everything they did. With the exception of the Time and Wendy and Lisa, but WL i dont really call a protege they were fired band members who needed to work. For me protege wise I never was crazy about Ingrid Chavez, a little bit catchy but this was nothing more than a girl with a cool vibe that he dug, many fans erect a statue to her. Carmen was never rated highly except by PRINCE. So if that is what we are talking about then you can say her. But to me i think more of who people gloss over, to me Andy Allo is about the best out there, mainly because she can write and play and just walk in a club with her guitar and her hat and get on a stool and play and keep you interested, very few of Prince's proteges could do that, or at least be consistent doing it.

I agree 100%

SHe is the real deal...

Im impressed that she is still evolving and growing....

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She didnt hang around that distinctly Prince Sound..

she has kept her sense of self, developed her own style even further

in fact she continues to evolve..

Plus..

Total sweet heart...super fresh clean enerG

Open hearted and really lovely...

I do get a "maybe Im fluid in my sexuality"vibe from her

but thats besdie the point.

Shes under ,rather than overrated..

In a 2014 interview with LOTL radio she said her journey didn't end when she left Prince,that her time with him was a "launching pad"to help her grow as an artist and that she learned to experiment with different sounds and to not be afraid to try new things.I think it's great he influenced her in that way.

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pinkcashmere23 said:

Lovejunky said:

I agree 100%

SHe is the real deal...

Im impressed that she is still evolving and growing....

and

She didnt hang around that distinctly Prince Sound..

she has kept her sense of self, developed her own style even further

in fact she continues to evolve..

Plus..

Total sweet heart...super fresh clean enerG

Open hearted and really lovely...

I do get a "maybe Im fluid in my sexuality"vibe from her

but thats besdie the point.

Shes under ,rather than overrated..

In a 2014 interview with LOTL radio she said her journey didn't end when she left Prince,that her time with him was a "launching pad"to help her grow as an artist and that she learned to experiment with different sounds and to not be afraid to try new things.I think it's great he influenced her in that way.

Plus she was already doing music before him and had things out. I got to meet her at the Highline Ballroom here in NYC when she opened for Morgan James and also played in her set too, but Andy is super genuine, she was signing stuff after the show and taking pictures with anyone and she took one with me and we spoke a minute signed some cds and eps and then the guy behind me wanted a picture with her too and he handed me his phone and Andy said "do you mind being my photographer for a few" of course i said no problem. But her set and just playing sitting on a stool and talking she can hold a crowd great person.


"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #88 posted 01/08/18 9:23pm

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lastdecember said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

In a 2014 interview with LOTL radio she said her journey didn't end when she left Prince,that her time with him was a "launching pad"to help her grow as an artist and that she learned to experiment with different sounds and to not be afraid to try new things.I think it's great he influenced her in that way.

Plus she was already doing music before him and had things out. I got to meet her at the Highline Ballroom here in NYC when she opened for Morgan James and also played in her set too, but Andy is super genuine, she was signing stuff after the show and taking pictures with anyone and she took one with me and we spoke a minute signed some cds and eps and then the guy behind me wanted a picture with her too and he handed me his phone and Andy said "do you mind being my photographer for a few" of course i said no problem. But her set and just playing sitting on a stool and talking she can hold a crowd great person.

True.I've never seen her in person but from watching her performances online I can tell she has good stage presence.That's nice that you got to meet her,she seems very nice! I saw some clips from the show you were at and both Andy and Morgan sounded great!

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OldFriends4Sale said:



Empress said:


SoulAlive said:




It really does seem like it happened that way biggrin look at all the female proteges who made one album then they were quickly forgotten and discarded: Taja Sevelle,Ingrid Chavez,Bria,etc



Sheila E. is one of the lucky ones.She at least made three albums smile



This is because Sheila has REAL talent. Most of the others were low on the REAL talent scale. Sure, some of them had a decent voice, but no REAL musical talent.


Vanity had a stage charisma that gave her a level of fame even Sheila didn't have 84-87


or at least evened them out. I think if she didn't have those other issues and the relation with Prince turned into friendship, she would have been bigger.


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Sheila's sexiness wasn't genuine. But it was sexy the way she played the percussion.



Vanity was an actress by trade. So if she figured the sexy image would sell the music, she would definitely be have been able to do that to perfection (which she did for decades). She had natural beauty to do it with & she was good at her craft.

On Sheila not having natural sexiness though.. I think that would depend on who you ask. Lots of people might prefer a Jock or a refined look or understated look and therefore find it more attractive to them personally.

Because we now know that both of these women were abused as kids, I can see both ways victims choose to present themselves later in life through them. Jill's comments about Sheila's looks always pissed me off.

That being said, if you put both women on stage with Vanity in her lingerie & Sheila in her one leg catsuit, I doubt any of the audience would be disappointed in the show.
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