I think they probably collaborated on more songs than was mentioned.Andy said during one of her Music Mondays that she and Prince wrote Story Of You & I and that was not credited to Prince in the liner notes.She said at her shows in 2013 that she wrote Yellow Gold about someone she had a crush on but was afraid to tell them and that she wrote If I Was King for someone else but she liked it so much she kept it for herself.Dr.Funkenberry said in a podcast last year that she wrote it for Prince but took it back,something she confirmed in a FB Q&A.The lyrics for Nothing More and When Stars Collide are very Prince like and I think they may have written them together though she said in the Q&A that she wrote the last verse of Nothing More after Prince told her it needed another one.I think that Prince probably composed the music since the melody is so similar to The Love We Make.People Pleaser is credited to Andy. I believe Superconductor and Long Gone were written by Prince and The Calm is credited to both.
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This is what I meant when I said that Andy is underrated as a songwriter. She is listed as the composer for her entire independent first album (2009), unFresh, which was released when she was only 20 years-old and she has been writing poetry since she was a young girl growing up in Cameroon. Chick is a go-getter. She worked full-time and also modeled to self-finance that first album, which I happen to like just as much or more than Superconductor. | |
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Couldn't disagree with you more about Ingrid. She was probably one of the few artists that developed her own sound that wasn't Prince largely due to Prince's minimal involvement. | |
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I do think the songs on unFresh are well written and composed.Marcus Anderson said on a Dr.F podcast that he was impressed with Andy as a songwriter and Dr.F said that Prince said that all the time about her.She said in the documentary that they wrote so many songs together that there was an overlap of each others lyrics, such as Prince using When Stars Collide in Rock and Roll LoveAffair but in a 2013 interview with Blackalicious she said that he took it directly from her song and that he wrote R&R Affair after it.She also said that What It Feels Like was inspired by WSC and is a continuation of the song so she may have written it herself. | |
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I think this type of assessment is very unfair to her. According to Prince Vault, except for "Superconductor" and "Long Gone," which were written by Prince, and "The Calm," which she and Prince co-wrote, Andy is credited with writing all of the remaining songs on Superconductor. [Edited 1/7/18 14:46pm] | |
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Since she revealed last year that Story Of You & I was written with Prince, it did make me wonder if they wrote more together.She did say in the interview with Blackalicious that she wrote WSC.It's a good interview btw and she spoke a lot about Prince and Superconductor.The chat she had with thebabymonster on podbean in 2013 was very informative also.That was a smart move on her part to put out Superconductor herself.Prince mentioned that in his interview with Dr F and he seemed proud of that. [Edited 1/6/18 12:55pm] [Edited 1/6/18 17:54pm] | |
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Okay. I understand. Also, I agree: he was very proud of her. | |
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It really does seem like it happened that way look at all the female proteges who made one album then they were quickly forgotten and discarded: Taja Sevelle,Ingrid Chavez,Bria,etc
Sheila E. is one of the lucky ones.She at least made three albums | |
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Yes.I think it would have been nice if they could have done another album together.Andy posted some demos in early 2013 on her blog that may have been intended for another project.I think One Step Closer may have been one of the songs included since the other songs had a similar sound.She also posted on her FB about the possibility of doing an album with more duets when AOA was released. | |
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In addition to Superconductor, Andy was also involved in Art Official Age and HNR 1 & 2. Not to mention the acoustic album, Oui Can Luv. | |
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True! Hers are the best in my opinion, along with Jill's but I think the albums he did with Tamar,Bria,Andy and Judith are good for the most part.I wanted Tamar's to have a proper release as planned.I think her album deserved to be heard and I was disappointed when it was shelved. | |
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I don't think that is totally true, even if it could seem like that from JJ's perspective . Vanity would have had 2+ but it was Vanity that left the camp Sheila E would have had 4+ but she left the camp .
what other female (frontman) proteges from the 80s were there? . Carmen Electra would have had a 2nd album . What other 1990s proteges? | |
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I'm not sure that the songs on Oui Can Luv were recorded with the intent of putting together an album.Someone asked Andy in a chat on her FB in 2015 if she had any more material in Prince's vault and she said that she thought there were a few acoustic cuts laying around.In the interview from September 2015 that was posted on Jamie Starr News recently she said that she and Prince did some acoustic covers that she hoped would be heard one day.About a month later Prince streamed Oui Can Luv on Tidal.Andy said in a chat on Funkatopia radio in 2014 that the duets on AOA were written and recorded during the making of Superconductor and she wasn't sure at the time what Prince was going to do with them.She hasn't said much about Phase1 or 2,just that they wrote and recorded a lot of songs together and some ended up on the last few albums.I think the only Prince album she had official credits on was AOA. | |
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Whatever the intent, the end result was an acoustic album: Oui Can Luv. In the final analysis, I'm very hopeful that we will one day hear more of their collaborations that are presumably tucked away at Iron Mountain in California. Hopefully, the matter of credits and royalties will not stand in the way of that happening. | |
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True.In 2011 it was rumored that they were working on a project called The L/C and the songs from Oui Can Luv may have originally been part of that. | |
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For the time, money and effort put into her as a recording and video artist, I would say Carmen Electra. | |
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It really does seem like it happened that way look at all the female proteges who made one album then they were quickly forgotten and discarded: Taja Sevelle,Ingrid Chavez,Bria,etc
Sheila E. is one of the lucky ones.She at least made three albums This is because Sheila has REAL talent. Most of the others were low on the REAL talent scale. Sure, some of them had a decent voice, but no REAL musical talent. | |
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I would suspect that going out with Prince involved a seriously intense level of courtship and recording over a period of time before he moved onto someone else. So why he might not officially drop you, so to speak, it would be clear that his thoughts and attentions were elsewhere and you had become a low-level priority. I'd say this led a lot of people to sever the connection with him themselves. Sheila E. was already a musician and playing music was what she was going to do anyway so it probably lasted longer for that reason. Just my guess, speculation of course. | |
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First of all NONE well almost NONE are very well rated by critics of music, almost all have gotten horrible reviews for everything they did. With the exception of the Time and Wendy and Lisa, but WL i dont really call a protege they were fired band members who needed to work. For me protege wise I never was crazy about Ingrid Chavez, a little bit catchy but this was nothing more than a girl with a cool vibe that he dug, many fans erect a statue to her. Carmen was never rated highly except by PRINCE. So if that is what we are talking about then you can say her. But to me i think more of who people gloss over, to me Andy Allo is about the best out there, mainly because she can write and play and just walk in a club with her guitar and her hat and get on a stool and play and keep you interested, very few of Prince's proteges could do that, or at least be consistent doing it. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Tamar has talent and I think she is overlooked [Edited 1/7/18 10:24am] | |
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Judith also plays the piano quite well and she plays guitar too. | |
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Vanity had a stage charisma that gave her a level of fame even Sheila didn't have 84-87 or at least evened them out. I think if she didn't have those other issues and the relation with Prince turned into friendship, she would have been bigger. . Sheila's sexiness wasn't genuine. But it was sexy the way she played the percussion. | |
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This is one of the rare times that I have to disagree with you Sheila's sexiness was 100% genuine.The difference is,unilke some of the others,she had real talent in additon to the sexiness and good looks.
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I agree 100%
SHe is the real deal...
Im impressed that she is still evolving and growing....
and She didnt hang around that distinctly Prince Sound.. she has kept her sense of self, developed her own style even further in fact she continues to evolve..
Plus..
Total sweet heart...super fresh clean enerG
Open hearted and really lovely...
I do get a "maybe Im fluid in my sexuality"vibe from her
but thats besdie the point.
Shes under ,rather than overrated.. | |
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I didn't say she wasn't sexy. She was completely sexy when playing instruments or certain dancing. That seemed to come natural. . Which is why most reviews of her shows from Glamorous Life - Sheila E, the people always questioned it. That is seemed a bit forced, questioned whether or not it was Prince she was copying etc Like the part of the GL tour where she would simulate giving the guy head, it seemed more humorous to Sheila than sexy. Which by the way (I could be wrong) but she was the first of many to follow who started bring a man up on stage and giving some degree of sex teasing/simulation. GO Sheila E . Sheila E was always questioning it herself and apologizing for it even. That she wanted to be proven a musician and a not a sexy woman. And she was like that(non sex) when she performed as a musician prior to Prince. The story of her coming to (Uptown) to meet Prince when it was time to craft the vision and she is dressed like a jock, as JJ remembered.
. Vanity & even Susan Moonsie's sexiness was fluid, even when acting, it was more comfortable. I don't think Sheila was as comfortable in her sexiness or looks as Vanity/Denise was. And having her past of sexual abuse I can understand the need to cover it up.
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In a 2014 interview with LOTL radio she said her journey didn't end when she left Prince,that her time with him was a "launching pad"to help her grow as an artist and that she learned to experiment with different sounds and to not be afraid to try new things.I think it's great he influenced her in that way. | |
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Plus she was already doing music before him and had things out. I got to meet her at the Highline Ballroom here in NYC when she opened for Morgan James and also played in her set too, but Andy is super genuine, she was signing stuff after the show and taking pictures with anyone and she took one with me and we spoke a minute signed some cds and eps and then the guy behind me wanted a picture with her too and he handed me his phone and Andy said "do you mind being my photographer for a few" of course i said no problem. But her set and just playing sitting on a stool and talking she can hold a crowd great person. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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True.I've never seen her in person but from watching her performances online I can tell she has good stage presence.That's nice that you got to meet her,she seems very nice! I saw some clips from the show you were at and both Andy and Morgan sounded great! [Edited 1/9/18 6:51am] [Edited 1/9/18 6:56am] | |
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OldFriends4Sale said:
Vanity had a stage charisma that gave her a level of fame even Sheila didn't have 84-87 or at least evened them out. I think if she didn't have those other issues and the relation with Prince turned into friendship, she would have been bigger. . Sheila's sexiness wasn't genuine. But it was sexy the way she played the percussion. Vanity was an actress by trade. So if she figured the sexy image would sell the music, she would definitely be have been able to do that to perfection (which she did for decades). She had natural beauty to do it with & she was good at her craft. On Sheila not having natural sexiness though.. I think that would depend on who you ask. Lots of people might prefer a Jock or a refined look or understated look and therefore find it more attractive to them personally. Because we now know that both of these women were abused as kids, I can see both ways victims choose to present themselves later in life through them. Jill's comments about Sheila's looks always pissed me off. That being said, if you put both women on stage with Vanity in her lingerie & Sheila in her one leg catsuit, I doubt any of the audience would be disappointed in the show. | |
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