Susu1976 said:

purplefam99 said:

purplefam99 said:

PennyPurple said:

My memory is seriously lacking here lately. I'll have to get the book out. I thought she had the chance to go to college in Ciaro and passed that chance up to be with Prince.?

hmmm not college in Ciaro, but dancing in ciaro. Going to Ciaro for bellydancing is like going

to New York for Ballet/modern dance it is the epicenter, best classes, teachers etc. i don't

recall it being for college.

That's right the school for the dancing in Ciaro.

NotACleverName said:

Susu1976 said:

I agree with you Laura that Prince never stalked or, frankly, even pursued Mayte. He didn't have to. She was practically offered to him on a platter and I don't think she was ever "put on a pedestal" over the other ones as she wants the story to go. For whatever reason Prince wanted to hurt Nona and got engaged to Mayte who promptly got pregnant. I think Carmen Electra left because she was done and wanted to move on. I believe that's where Mayte's antipathy towards Carmen stems from. I'm not saying he didn't love Mayte at some point. I'm sure he did and was looking forward being a dad to their child but it wasn't the love story she wants to portray. It started strangely, it seemed strange and it ended strangely. [Edited 12/15/17 2:13am]

No, Carmen didn't voluntarily leave....Prince dismissed her. Here is the story in Carmen's own words: "During that time I went out with a guy — I hadn’t slept with this person —and Prince found out. He said, “I wrote this song about you,” and then he played “I Hate U.” It was hard to hear. And it was even harder to hear the parts of the song that said it could have been a completely different way. Then to say “I hate you because I love you” — I literally cried in front of him. I think he just wanted me to hear it and know that he was really upset. Then he flew me back to Los Angeles." Sourced here - http://www.vulture.com/20...sults.html

Carmen also said Prince asked her if "she could just be a housewife" and she told him know she wanted to have a carreer. She was also getting offers from Playboy. I kind of think she would have rolled out if he had not found out about the other guy.

Do you think he was calling her because she or her parents wanted her to work for him. Don't you think some communication would have had to take place before hand. He would of had no access to her if her parents had not sought him out.

PennyPurple said:

Yah, I don't understand the parents either. But the parents weren't forcing Prince to call her, etc. P was what 31?

purplerabbithole said:

Why did you add "15" in there? Did she say 15? Did she say every night? As for stalking, no one has to answer a phone. Thank Jesus that Prince had self restraint because I, for one, would never let my 16 year old daughter spend that much time with a 35 year old rock musician known for sexual lyrics and womainzing ways. Her parents irk the fuck out of me. Prince may have been wrong, but they were worse in my opinion. the reality is that rock stars are constantly approached by young girls. Many of thewse guys do not show restraint. David Bowie and Jimmy Page fucked a 14 year old groupie for God's sake (and they aren't the only ones or the worst of the bunch) . What the hell were her parents thinking (let me guess--possible fame) ? They are lucky their daughter wasn't raped at 16.

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NotACleverName said:

purplefam99 said:

they served her up but yes to the bolded. they were both wrong. Poor Mayte. childhood stolen.

I wonder what Anna (Garcia) Fantastic's parents' motivation was? She met Prince at 15 (Prince was 28) and spent the night (innocent, apparently, because pajamas were involved) in his hotel room. She did have a record deal in Germany so, perhaps her parents thought this relationship could advance her career? Anna also visited Prince in the states before she was 18. https://www.thesun.co.uk/...e-he-died/ Maybe it is just the location (Germany) and the parents are more trusting of their child's maturity and decision making skills? I find it interesting that this is where Priscilla met Elvis. Also, while underage she, too, was a guest in Elvis' home and eventually moved to the states before the age of 18.

I thought Anna said he had her come to the states on her 18th birthday. He actually had a birthday party for her.

purplerabbithole said:

What was Prince's motive? Love? artistic inspiration? Sex (he waited an awful long time for that one.)?? mid-life crisis? Really, how does Mayte's belly dancing contribute at all to Prince's career or music? What was their motivation?--possible fame for daughter extending to themselves, living vicariously through her, success for her..etc?

I don't think she sees her time with him as being pawned off.. She says she would still be with him if it weren't for the baby dying. If she is to be believed, his dumping her and cheating on her were bigger issues than his calling her at 16. It depends a little on what they talked about. If it was as innocent as she claimed and then her parents stepped in and said, "hey, this might be innocent, but I think you are too young to engage in working for him right now. Wait until after you go to college"... and he still pursued her afterward, I would think that might have let to a more successful relationship (or no relationship at all but either way healthier.) To be honest, her childhood seemed stolen with or without Prince. Bellydancing professionally in Cairo at her age driven by a stage-mom (who had once been a belly dancer), molestation, warring parents. ,...her childhood was doomed. Who knows..maybe Prince was more fun (for at least a little while) than her mom so it didn't bother her too much to go off with his entourage and work at what she loved. It wasn't all bad presumably.

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yes i would like to discuss his possible motive as well. is it that fun dating someone so much younger

than yourself. what was it??

this is what makes me think he wasn't as complex as he lucked out to be thought of as.

i think he was talented but i don't always agree that he was complex. did he make himself a complicated mess when he saw that it suited the story, i think yes. but i think deeply he was

a sensitive, talent, who was at heart quite simple/regular/not complex. i think his penchant for

the young shows that he enjoyed the cream that provades young peoples relationships. Not that

young peoples relationships can't be deep but they are often deep in feelings that haven't been pushed to the test of actualization. i think he loved the simple life deep down, god, girls and good music. i think the world around him wanted a complicated person to be in charge of these

creations we were hearing. i think he was a simple genius.

purplefam99 said:

BillieBalloon said:

purplefam99 said:

yes i would like to discuss his possible motive as well. is it that fun dating someone so much younger

than yourself. what was it??

this is what makes me think he wasn't as complex as he lucked out to be thought of as.

i think he was talented but i don't always agree that he was complex. did he make himself a complicated mess when he saw that it suited the story, i think yes. but i think deeply he was

a sensitive, talent, who was at heart quite simple/regular/not complex. i think his penchant for

the young shows that he enjoyed the cream that provades young peoples relationships. Not that

young peoples relationships can't be deep but they are often deep in feelings that haven't been pushed to the test of actualization. i think he loved the simple life deep down, god, girls and good music. i think the world around him wanted a complicated person to be in charge of these

creations we were hearing. i think he was a simple genius.

How can he be a genius and simple at the same time? Is he simple because he dated women younger than him? By your logic any man who dates a woman younger than himself is a simpleton. What about women who date young men? Are they simpletons too?

no, i am sorry, i didn't mean to paint people who date younger people simpletons. if it came across

that way i should have read it before pressing send.

yes i think you can produce great great things and be a simple person. i think people who have the space and time to cultivate great thought are lucky cause they have the time or take it. i think

most people have this ability i just think some of us don't wanna spend all our time on one thing.

we want to experience many things. i think if prince hadn't had the fortune luck to be labeled a genius or the next stevie wonder by some record execs he would still be as talented as he ever was

making music that most never heard. Like his father. so yes i think him a genius, his father genius

and perhaps Tyka in her room making music we will never hear is also a genius. or they could be just simple. simple is not a bad word.

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purplefam99 said:

I don't think people who date younger women or men are simple. Because there are some 20+ year olds who are more mature than others at their age.

laurarichardson said:

Do you think he was calling her because she or her parents wanted her to work for him. Don't you think some communication would have had to take place before hand. He would of had no access to her if her parents had not sought him out.

PennyPurple said:

Yah, I don't understand the parents either. But the parents weren't forcing Prince to call her, etc. P was what 31?

Laura, they spent hours upon hours on the phone together.

Prince liked the young ones because he could groom them into what he wanted them to be. He could control them. A form of brain washing.

Well with my 12 year old son and the students I work with it is pretty hard to get them to listen and follow directions--I would say. Otherwise, my job would be much easier..LOL> Their minds are malleable to some degree and they probably are pretty impressed by thier musical idols but adolescence and early adulthood tends to also bring transitions and oppositional tendencies.

Prince could control people his own age pretty easily as well I imagine (unless they were from the old neighborhood or until they burned out and wanted time with their families).. With young people, he probably thought there would be less baggage and less history to contend with and more ambition that would tie them to him.

PennyPurple said:

Prince liked the young ones because he could groom them into what he wanted them to be. He could control them. A form of brain washing.

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PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince loved women, and I'm sure Garcia already knew that before she even met him. I mean, she did stalk him (I mean, she was obsessed with him) after all.

Awe now Clover....I think it was actually HE who stalked HER.

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Yes, that's true!

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I guess pre-meditation isn't considered stalking. When she was a young girl, she said she would marry Prince. That's a bit odd, in my book and kind of stalk-ish behavior.

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M2 was working for Prince, so I don't see that as stalking. Maybe she had a fascination with him, I guess. What girl wouldn't?

Heck when I was girl I thought I was going to marry Leif Garrett or David Cassidy, then along came Scott Baio, let's not forget John Travolta, during the Saturday Night Fever phase, and Andy Gibb too.

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Oh my! We are showing our age now, LOL

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I was in love with Leif Garrett, Shaun Cassidy & Andy Gibb! They were my honeys!!

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Ahhh, the days of teen-aged heart-throbs! LOL

purplerabbithole said:

Why did you add "15" in there? Did she say 15? Did she say every night? As for stalking, no one has to answer a phone. Thank Jesus that Prince had self restraint because I, for one, would never let my 16 year old daughter spend that much time with a 35 year old rock musician known for sexual lyrics and womainzing ways. Her parents irk the fuck out of me. Prince may have been wrong, but they were worse in my opinion. the reality is that rock stars are constantly approached by young girls. Many of thewse guys do not show restraint. David Bowie and Jimmy Page fucked a 14 year old groupie for God's sake (and they aren't the only ones or the worst of the bunch) . What the hell were her parents thinking (let me guess--possible fame) ? They are lucky their daughter wasn't raped at 16.

PennyPurple said:

Yah! He basically was calling her every night when she was 15 - 16 yrs old....

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Oh boy! The Mayte bee's nest gotten shook-up again!

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I read somewhere that Mayte was sexually assaulted when she was a young girl. I could be wrong about that.

laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said:

Why did you add "15" in there? Did she say 15? Did she say every night? As for stalking, no one has to answer a phone. Thank Jesus that Prince had self restraint because I, for one, would never let my 16 year old daughter spend that much time with a 35 year old rock musician known for sexual lyrics and womainzing ways. Her parents irk the fuck out of me. Prince may have been wrong, but they were worse in my opinion. the reality is that rock stars are constantly approached by young girls. Many of thewse guys do not show restraint. David Bowie and Jimmy Page fucked a 14 year old groupie for God's sake (and they aren't the only ones or the worst of the bunch) . What the hell were her parents thinking (let me guess--possible fame) ? They are lucky their daughter wasn't raped at 16.

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Co-sign Prince was talking to her on the phone which may not have been ethical but he was dating her since she lived in Germany with her family. Her parents are pathetic and even what she said about her and her sister being molested makes me question how much about that her parents knew about.

Normal parents do not introduced a teen girl to a rock star and certainly do not let her talk to 30 something on phone.

If she just went and worked for Prince on her own when she was 18 then fine but those parents of hers knew exactly what they were doing. Just think there is no reason Mayte could not have just gone to college even if just to study dance. Instead her parents packed her off to work for a rock star.

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Sorry. I already made a comment about the sexual molestation in my other post. Is this really true?

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I love Prince, and I know he waited to be romantic with Mayte until she was 19/20 years old, and he was always a gentleman and showered his women with romance, gifts and the finest things in life, but still, the whole thing with Mayte reminds me a lot of Jerry Lee Lewis and Elvis.

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I don't mean to offend any Mayte supporters.

purplefam99 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Why did you add "15" in there? Did she say 15? Did she say every night? As for stalking, no one has to answer a phone. Thank Jesus that Prince had self restraint because I, for one, would never let my 16 year old daughter spend that much time with a 35 year old rock musician known for sexual lyrics and womainzing ways. Her parents irk the fuck out of me. Prince may have been wrong, but they were worse in my opinion. the reality is that rock stars are constantly approached by young girls. Many of thewse guys do not show restraint. David Bowie and Jimmy Page fucked a 14 year old groupie for God's sake (and they aren't the only ones or the worst of the bunch) . What the hell were her parents thinking (let me guess--possible fame) ? They are lucky their daughter wasn't raped at 16.

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i can't even believe it either. in his hotel that night too, that she describes, that late at night having

tea, still not OK. Some people say bravo to their kids when they display maturity beyond their years.

i don't think that is praise that is always should be pushed further, you are in essence hurrying them

on out of childhood from which we can never return. so great she displayed maturity and competence

but that doesn't mean your reward that with adult activity. If we are all allowed to be kids as long

as possible we would have much more secure adults. but we want them to walk early and read by 3

because why???? they should be playing in the dirt for as long as possible because once you engage

and ripen maturity there is no turning back to the imagination and creativity that comes from

the flow of simple play. Society robs kids of childhood it should be held a crime.

.

Well said, and I agree. Children, even into their teen years should still have an innocence about them. I know a woman who's daughter was very mature for an 18-year old; I mean, this girl acted and talked like she was well into her 30s. I think sometimes, especially if you are an only child or have a lot of responsibility at a young age, you get robbed of the innocence of childhood. Look what happened to Michael Jackson; he was always longing to be a child again, and I think he did a wonderful job of making sure that did not happen to his own children.

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Very good point you made!

NotACleverName said:

Susu1976 said:

I agree with you Laura that Prince never stalked or, frankly, even pursued Mayte. He didn't have to. She was practically offered to him on a platter and I don't think she was ever "put on a pedestal" over the other ones as she wants the story to go. For whatever reason Prince wanted to hurt Nona and got engaged to Mayte who promptly got pregnant. I think Carmen Electra left because she was done and wanted to move on. I believe that's where Mayte's antipathy towards Carmen stems from. I'm not saying he didn't love Mayte at some point. I'm sure he did and was looking forward being a dad to their child but it wasn't the love story she wants to portray. It started strangely, it seemed strange and it ended strangely. [Edited 12/15/17 2:13am]

No, Carmen didn't voluntarily leave....Prince dismissed her. Here is the story in Carmen's own words: "During that time I went out with a guy — I hadn’t slept with this person —and Prince found out. He said, “I wrote this song about you,” and then he played “I Hate U.” It was hard to hear. And it was even harder to hear the parts of the song that said it could have been a completely different way. Then to say “I hate you because I love you” — I literally cried in front of him. I think he just wanted me to hear it and know that he was really upset. Then he flew me back to Los Angeles." Sourced here - http://www.vulture.com/20...sults.html

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I always heard two different versions of Carmen's story. In one article she states that she left him because she wanted a career, so they went their seperate ways.

purplefam99 said:

purplerabbithole said:

What was Prince's motive? Love? artistic inspiration? Sex (he waited an awful long time for that one.)?? mid-life crisis? Really, how does Mayte's belly dancing contribute at all to Prince's career or music? What was their motivation?--possible fame for daughter extending to themselves, living vicariously through her, success for her..etc?

I don't think she sees her time with him as being pawned off.. She says she would still be with him if it weren't for the baby dying. If she is to be believed, his dumping her and cheating on her were bigger issues than his calling her at 16. It depends a little on what they talked about. If it was as innocent as she claimed and then her parents stepped in and said, "hey, this might be innocent, but I think you are too young to engage in working for him right now. Wait until after you go to college"... and he still pursued her afterward, I would think that might have let to a more successful relationship (or no relationship at all but either way healthier.) To be honest, her childhood seemed stolen with or without Prince. Bellydancing professionally in Cairo at her age driven by a stage-mom (who had once been a belly dancer), molestation, warring parents. ,...her childhood was doomed. Who knows..maybe Prince was more fun (for at least a little while) than her mom so it didn't bother her too much to go off with his entourage and work at what she loved. It wasn't all bad presumably.

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[Edited 12/15/17 9:50am]

yes i would like to discuss his possible motive as well. is it that fun dating someone so much younger

than yourself. what was it??

this is what makes me think he wasn't as complex as he lucked out to be thought of as.

i think he was talented but i don't always agree that he was complex. did he make himself a complicated mess when he saw that it suited the story, i think yes. but i think deeply he was

a sensitive, talent, who was at heart quite simple/regular/not complex. i think his penchant for

the young shows that he enjoyed the cream that provades young peoples relationships. Not that

young peoples relationships can't be deep but they are often deep in feelings that haven't been pushed to the test of actualization. i think he loved the simple life deep down, god, girls and good music. i think the world around him wanted a complicated person to be in charge of these

creations we were hearing. i think he was a simple genius.

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BillieBalloon said:

purplefam99 said:

no, i am sorry, i didn't mean to paint people who date younger people simpletons. if it came across

that way i should have read it before pressing send.

yes i think you can produce great great things and be a simple person. i think people who have the space and time to cultivate great thought are lucky cause they have the time or take it. i think

most people have this ability i just think some of us don't wanna spend all our time on one thing.

we want to experience many things. i think if prince hadn't had the fortune luck to be labeled a genius or the next stevie wonder by some record execs he would still be as talented as he ever was

making music that most never heard. Like his father. so yes i think him a genius, his father genius

and perhaps Tyka in her room making music we will never hear is also a genius. or they could be just simple. simple is not a bad word.

[Edited 12/15/17 13:39pm]

Prince was not labelled a genius by some record exec because of luck, he was labelled a musical genius because he WAS one. Prince earned that label, it wasnt dreamt up in some executive meeting. As for being simple, i disagree. Nearly everyone who knew him said he was many things, but never simple..dont you think they would know? Do you have any examples for your assertion?

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I don't think Purplefam99 is saying that Prince wasn't a genius. He/she is saying that Prince would have still been great/genius even if he was never discovered by music execs.

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Prince was fortunate enough to be able to work at his music and have it flourish the way it has, but it does not happen for a lot of artist's out there. Prince was put on this earth to do what he did, and he was very humble, and I think that also helped him get as far as he did in the music industry.

PennyPurple said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I don't think people who date younger women or men are simple. Because there are some 20+ year olds who are more mature than others at their age.

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And, there are some 50-something's that still act like they are in college, LOL

cloveringold85 said:

Prince never really had a childhood either if you think about it. He was out of the house by 12 after being caught having sex with a family friend in his dad's house, was moved from house to house, graduated high school in his junior year, played in local bands before his mid-teens, and was a paid musician with a music contract before his teens were over. He might have been more stunted emotionally than people realize. ALso, he didn't have kids himself when he met Anna and Mayte so never experienced the protectiveness that comes with being a parent.. Mayte's parents should have been the ones with the best heads on their shoulders. They just weren't.

cloveringold85 said:

purplefam99 said:

i can't even believe it either. in his hotel that night too, that she describes, that late at night having

tea, still not OK. Some people say bravo to their kids when they display maturity beyond their years.

i don't think that is praise that is always should be pushed further, you are in essence hurrying them

on out of childhood from which we can never return. so great she displayed maturity and competence

but that doesn't mean your reward that with adult activity. If we are all allowed to be kids as long

as possible we would have much more secure adults. but we want them to walk early and read by 3

because why???? they should be playing in the dirt for as long as possible because once you engage

and ripen maturity there is no turning back to the imagination and creativity that comes from

the flow of simple play. Society robs kids of childhood it should be held a crime.

.

Well said, and I agree. Children, even into their teen years should still have an innocence about them. I know a woman who's daughter was very mature for an 18-year old; I mean, this girl acted and talked like she was well into her 30s. I think sometimes, especially if you are an only child or have a lot of responsibility at a young age, you get robbed of the innocence of childhood. Look what happened to Michael Jackson; he was always longing to be a child again, and I think he did a wonderful job of making sure that did not happen to his own children.

.

Very good point you made!

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[Edited 12/15/17 17:20pm]

purplerabbithole said:

Prince never really had a childhood either if you think about it. He was out of the house by 12 after being caught having sex with a family friend in his dad's house, was moved from house to house, graduated high school in his junior year, played in local bands before his mid-teens, and was a paid musician with a music contract before his teens were over. He might have been more stunted emotionally than people realize. ALso, he didn't have kids himself when he met Anna and Mayte so never experienced the protectiveness that comes with being a parent.. Mayte's parents should have been the ones with the best heads on their shoulders. They just weren't.

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That's true, he didn't have much of a childhood. Maytes parents really should've been more parent like to the both of them.

BillieBalloon said:

purplefam99 said:

no, i am sorry, i didn't mean to paint people who date younger people simpletons. if it came across

that way i should have read it before pressing send.

yes i think you can produce great great things and be a simple person. i think people who have the space and time to cultivate great thought are lucky cause they have the time or take it. i think

most people have this ability i just think some of us don't wanna spend all our time on one thing.

we want to experience many things. i think if prince hadn't had the fortune luck to be labeled a genius or the next stevie wonder by some record execs he would still be as talented as he ever was

making music that most never heard. Like his father. so yes i think him a genius, his father genius

and perhaps Tyka in her room making music we will never hear is also a genius. or they could be just simple. simple is not a bad word.

[Edited 12/15/17 13:39pm]

Prince was not labelled a genius by some record exec because of luck, he was labelled a musical genius because he WAS one. Prince earned that label, it wasnt dreamt up in some executive meeting. As for being simple, i disagree. Nearly everyone who knew him said he was many things, but never simple..dont you think they would know? Do you have any examples for your assertion?

it was Prince himself who said he was "like everybody else". That tv interview from the late 80's with

all the people hanging about. i believe him. and i also enjoy the music he created. perhaps i should

have used the word normal instead of simple. i am NOT trying to deny the enormity of his creative output

it was enormous and beautiful and great. and if you want to call him a genius i am fine with that too

and don't disregard your assertion, i just feel that there was a heck of alot of normal/simple/honest/

regular guy in there too. and for me his enjoyment of younger women reflects the wonderful way

in which younger women (men) embody the simplicity of love because they have yet( in most cases) fully

met up with complicated. he was simple to me in that regard and that portion of his life is dedicated

to a bunch of threads so in my view is a huge portion of who he was. A dude who loved simple love

relationships and loved loved loved the beginning portions of those relationships. so for me if he was complex, it was part he was trying to be, part, he was told he was and part, he really was, but the other was

simple normal just like everyone else. (TO ME.) my words aren't meant to offend you i am

just sharing my opinion. honestly i mean that, just here to talk, not rile anyone.

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purplerabbithole said:

Prince never really had a childhood either if you think about it. He was out of the house by 12 after being caught having sex with a family friend in his dad's house, was moved from house to house, graduated high school in his junior year, played in local bands before his mid-teens, and was a paid musician with a music contract before his teens were over. He might have been more stunted emotionally than people realize. ALso, he didn't have kids himself when he met Anna and Mayte so never experienced the protectiveness that comes with being a parent.. Mayte's parents should have been the ones with the best heads on their shoulders. They just weren't.

cloveringold85 said:

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Well said, and I agree. Children, even into their teen years should still have an innocence about them. I know a woman who's daughter was very mature for an 18-year old; I mean, this girl acted and talked like she was well into her 30s. I think sometimes, especially if you are an only child or have a lot of responsibility at a young age, you get robbed of the innocence of childhood. Look what happened to Michael Jackson; he was always longing to be a child again, and I think he did a wonderful job of making sure that did not happen to his own children.

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Very good point you made!

[Edited 12/15/17 17:18pm]

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That is true; Prince did not have much of a childhood either. I think he was driven to be like his Father; he looked-up to his Father and wanted acceptance from him, imo.

purplefam99 said: