cloveringold85 said:

Thank you, Clover.
Great avi 💜😉

Peace & Be Wild

Morgaine said:

Thank you for proving my point you are in your feelings to the point of ignoring facts. Thanks

It's funny that you are claiming Morgaine is in her feelings to the point of ignoring facts. When it's you that NEVER really stated facts when it comes to Prince's death. All you do is claiming shit because you FEEL they are right. Because you don't like the idea of Prince being hooked on pain killers, because you just can't take it that the pain he was in came from his performances and never seeking help from a doctor.

Difference is, you claim that what you state are facts, when it's only U assuming things, like the rest of us does. WE don't know for sure, and, since you're on this board, WE includes yourself.

laurarichardson said:

Morgaine said:

Get out of my feelings? 😆 I already said I don't care who's right. I also said attacking people such as "get out of your feelings & into reality" does nothing to promote discussion. Thanks for making my point. Carry on. Peace & Be Wild

Thank you for proving my point you are in your feelings to the point of ignoring facts. Thanks

We are not discussing Prince's death on this thread. We are discussing Mrs. Garcia.

I am stated what I know to be facts many times and I have asked a lot of questions that I do not have the answers to.

You are the one who really does not know what hell you are discussing about 95% of the time.

1) Billy Sparks and a few other associates have said numerous that Prince had hip surgery in fact Billy said it was not replacement but hip surgery.

2)Scotty the engineer said Prince had a lot of pain during the Musicology Tour and

3) Tavis Smiley said he had pain. So What Are You Babbling about. If he had surgery he would of had to have that procedure performed by a doctor. Or do you think he did his own surgery.

What is Dr. S a pet doctor? These are all facts that are known to everyone but you apparently. I have known about his stuff for a year and a half and so have most people on this board. I have never said he did not have pain and certainly did see a doctor.

If you think that he could not have any other aliments that accelerated his pain you are living in La La land. If you think so many coincedental things happen and none of this was preplanned think what you like. The facts are out there.

Now stop derailing this topic.

ThatWhiteDude said:

It's funny that you are claiming Morgaine is in her feelings to the point of ignoring facts. When it's you that NEVER really stated facts when it comes to Prince's death. All you do is claiming shit because you FEEL they are right. Because you don't like the idea of Prince being hooked on pain killers, because you just can't take it that the pain he was in came from his performances and never seeking help from a doctor.

Difference is, you claim that what you state are facts, when it's only U assuming things, like the rest of us does. WE don't know for sure, and, since you're on this board, WE includes yourself.

laurarichardson said:

Morgaine said: Thank you for proving my point you are in your feelings to the point of ignoring facts. Thanks

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Morgaine said:

cloveringold85 said:

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All the above:

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The fact remains that Prince's death is still an open homicide investigation. The investigators said there was no reason to believe his death was a suicide. The autopsy reports states that Prince died of an "accidental" Fentanyl overdose, and they concluded that he was not aware of what he was taking, thus "accidental".

Thank you, Clover. Great avi 💜😉 Peace & Be Wild

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Thank You! That's one of my (many) faves!

ThatWhiteDude said:

Thanks TWD 💜

cloveringold85 said:

He was so beautiful in so many ways. Not perfect - who is - but beautiful. 💜

laurarichardson said:

Facts are not hearsay - whether it's Billy or Mayte or anyone else speaking. POVs can be important & add to the overall picture but they aren't facts. Mayte does not have s psych degree any more than Billy has a medical degree. It's imperative to be able to see all sides - even those disliked - to see the whole picture.
We could say it's very likely Prince had hip surgery because 3 people who knew him stated it. But that's not a fact, it's just plausible & likely.
No one has to agree with another's ideas or opinions, but to personally attack because one doesn't agree just serves to muddy process of debate & learning.
Intended or not, it generally defects from the subject at hand.
Facts are not hearsay, second hand info, someone's POV, etc. Big difference.

Morgaine said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

It's funny that you are claiming Morgaine is in her feelings to the point of ignoring facts. When it's you that NEVER really stated facts when it comes to Prince's death. All you do is claiming shit because you FEEL they are right. Because you don't like the idea of Prince being hooked on pain killers, because you just can't take it that the pain he was in came from his performances and never seeking help from a doctor.

Difference is, you claim that what you state are facts, when it's only U assuming things, like the rest of us does. WE don't know for sure, and, since you're on this board, WE includes yourself.

Thanks TWD 💜

You're welcome

Morgaine said:

Billy was asked a question and he answered it he was not speculating on Prince’s mental health like Mrs. Garcia who had no contact with Prince for 20 years and certainly not an educated person.
See the article from Ebony below where Prince tells the reporter he had surgery. Do you think he was lying in this interview 6 years before he died in some elaborate plan? He had surgery so he had to have doctors. He had a 65k medical expense on his inventory for 2016. Just turn on your thinking cap.
https://www.google.com/am...ons-death/

laurarichardson said:

Morgaine said:

Facts are not hearsay - whether it's Billy or Mayte or anyone else speaking. POVs can be important & add to the overall picture but they aren't facts. Mayte does not have s psych degree any more than Billy has a medical degree. It's imperative to be able to see all sides - even those disliked - to see the whole picture. We could say it's very likely Prince had hip surgery because 3 people who knew him stated it. But that's not a fact, it's just plausible & likely. No one has to agree with another's ideas or opinions, but to personally attack because one doesn't agree just serves to muddy process of debate & learning. Intended or not, it generally defects from the subject at hand. Facts are not hearsay, second hand info, someone's POV, etc. Big difference.

Billy was asked a question and he answered it he was not speculating on Prince’s mental health like Mrs. Garcia who had no contact with Prince for 20 years and certainly not an educated person. See the article from Ebony below where Prince tells the reporter he had surgery. Do you think he was lying in this interview 6 years before he died in some elaborate plan? He had surgery so he had to have doctors. He had a 65k medical expense on his inventory for 2016. Just turn on your thinking cap. https://www.google.com/am...ons-death/

But she knew him for ten years. And it's pretty clear that Prince had insecurities, or do you buy the crap he told us about why he's wearing those heels? Come on, that's bullshit. Why would he treat his body so bad if it was only because women love high heels.

He had insecurities. You attack Mayte for everything she says. How do you wanna know if Billy saw Prince during his last ten years? And yes P had a surgery but it was not the he needed. It doesn't matter if Mayte had contact to him or not, she witnessed this man for ten years, longer than most people who worked with him.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

Morgaine said: Billy was asked a question and he answered it he was not speculating on Prince’s mental health like Mrs. Garcia who had no contact with Prince for 20 years and certainly not an educated person. See the article from Ebony below where Prince tells the reporter he had surgery. Do you think he was lying in this interview 6 years before he died in some elaborate plan? He had surgery so he had to have doctors. He had a 65k medical expense on his inventory for 2016. Just turn on your thinking cap. https://www.google.com/am...ons-death/

But she knew him for ten years. And it's pretty clear that Prince had insecurities, or do you buy the crap he told us about why he's wearing those heels? Come on, that's bullshit. Why would he treat his body so bad if it was only because women love high heels.

He had insecurities. You attack Mayte for everything she says. How do you wanna know if Billy saw Prince during his last ten years? And yes P had a surgery but it was not the he needed. It doesn't matter if Mayte had contact to him or not, she witnessed this man for ten years, longer than most people who worked with him.

She knew him for 10 years 20 years ago. People change and people grow. It is unfortunate that she can't move on with her life. I never said he had no insecurities I said I do not think that was the reason he chased women. I think he chased women because he liked them and he had the money and time to do it. I do not know why he wore high heels maybe he thought it made him look taller even thought Mrs. Garcia said herself that he told her it only bothered him because it prevented him from pursuing basketball so it appears he never vented to her about being short.

We also have no knowledge of his joint issues beyond knowing he had some sort of procedure. Joint injuries can be genitic or just due to old age. Stop assuming that if he wore flat shoes his joint problem would not have happend loads of atheltes have joint issues and they are not wearing high heels. People get old and things happen.

Billy worked for Prince up and until a few years ago. He actually said that in the Tom Joyner interview he continued to work for Prince long after Purple Rain. Stop thinking that because we the public did not know his every interaction that he was not in touch with or still working with people.

Over the last year and half we have heard about numerous people he stayed in touch with and helped. I am not even going to address your surgery comments you have no means of knowing if he needed surgery and I cannot see too many people having joint procedures for grins or giggles.

It does not matter that she had no interaction with him for 20 years if she thinks she can analzye him she would have had to of least spoken with him recently. She is out of her depth and she did not know him anymore. Those are the facts.

Laura - are you KCOOL???

Mrs. Garcia?? I believe Mayte is Miss or Ms Garcia, however at one time she was Mrs Nelson. I know you hate to hear that, but it is fact.

Morgaine said:

laurarichardson said:

We are not discussing Prince's death on this thread. We are discussing Mrs. Garcia.

I am stated what I know to be facts many times and I have asked a lot of questions that I do not have the answers to.

You are the one who really does not know what hell you are discussing about 95% of the time.

1) Billy Sparks and a few other associates have said numerous that Prince had hip surgery in fact Billy said it was not replacement but hip surgery.

2)Scotty the engineer said Prince had a lot of pain during the Musicology Tour and

3) Tavis Smiley said he had pain. So What Are You Babbling about. If he had surgery he would of had to have that procedure performed by a doctor. Or do you think he did his own surgery.

What is Dr. S a pet doctor? These are all facts that are known to everyone but you apparently. I have known about his stuff for a year and a half and so have most people on this board. I have never said he did not have pain and certainly did see a doctor.

If you think that he could not have any other aliments that accelerated his pain you are living in La La land. If you think so many coincedental things happen and none of this was preplanned think what you like. The facts are out there.

Now stop derailing this topic.

[Edited 12/12/17 13:01pm]

Facts are not hearsay - whether it's Billy or Mayte or anyone else speaking. POVs can be important & add to the overall picture but they aren't facts. Mayte does not have s psych degree any more than Billy has a medical degree. It's imperative to be able to see all sides - even those disliked - to see the whole picture. We could say it's very likely Prince had hip surgery because 3 people who knew him stated it. But that's not a fact, it's just plausible & likely. No one has to agree with another's ideas or opinions, but to personally attack because one doesn't agree just serves to muddy process of debate & learning. Intended or not, it generally defects from the subject at hand. Facts are not hearsay, second hand info, someone's POV, etc. Big difference.

It's more than just "plausible." The autopsy report stated that he had a scar on his hip.

laurarichardson said:

You have an answer for everything. Read up on Prince a little more and be a little less quick to speak sometimes. He’s stated himself, many times, why he dealt with so many women. I’d like to think he also shared it with a woman that was once his wife. She’s alluded to it in her book. It’s pretty apparent that was something that never changed. He still had a revolving door of women when he left here.

laurarichardson said:

This thread isn't about Billy or medical bills - it's about a YT video in which Mayte stated she believes Prince's insecuritiy caused him to crave other women.
We can choose to agree or disagree with Mayte's statement (s) in the video.
The facts are: she doesn't have a psych degree. She was friends, dated, & was married to him for around 10 years. She had a few conversations in the 15 or so years since the divorce.
She has a right to her opinion as much as you or I do.
Idc whose opinion is more valid to you or me. The point I keep making, that you consistently choose to not address is how being snarky, throwing shade, & attacking people personally hinder debate & conversation.
I enjoy discussing subjects with people who have differing opinions/POVs than mine as I've learned a great deal by keeping an open mind.
It really is possible to disagree (and even be pissed off) with someone without telling me I need to "put my thinking cap on".
I think you have some very valid POVs that you bring to discussions but once it gets personal & emotions get involved, it becomes very difficult to remain focused on the topic at hand.
I think most people here know you can't stand Mayte but I don't see a connection to her saying Prince was insecure, Billy & the 60+k in medical bills. ???

laurarichardson said:

I didn't get the impression that Mayte speaks (or tries to) speak for the last 15-20 years: she's talking about when she knew him. She was talking about the period of time when she was with him.
Of course he had insecurities, who doesn't? Did they make him stray? I have no idea- I didn't know him. I think it could be a factor.
She said she believes it was an insecurity he had that caused him to crave other women.
So what? Why is this such a big deal to you? To discredit her?

Genesia said:

To my knowledge - someone please correct me if I'm wrong - Prince never made an official statement he had hip surgery. There are people who said he did. No medical records, documents, etc.
Yes, the autopsy report stated he had a scar but that doesn't prove he had hip surgery; it proves he had a scar. So it's plausible/very likely he had hip surgery but it can't be proven at this point.
Now back to the subject of the thread. 💜

Morgaine said:

Genesia said:

It's more than just "plausible." The autopsy report stated that he had a scar on his hip.

To my knowledge - someone please correct me if I'm wrong - Prince never made an official statement he had hip surgery. There are people who said he did. No medical records, documents, etc. Yes, the autopsy report stated he had a scar but that doesn't prove he had hip surgery; it proves he had a scar. So it's plausible/very likely he had hip surgery but it can't be proven at this point. Now back to the subject of the thread. 💜

It comes up in this interview. Good Lord this has been discussed one thousand times.

https://www.google.com/am...ons-death/

His walk was more of a “pimp,” really — partially due to a recent hip surgery, but also because Prince just ...

[Edited 12/13/17 13:33pm]

laurarichardson said:

That's great thanks, but it's still not proof. I said it's very likely. I'm not stating he didn't have hip surgery, I'm saying there's no definitive proof. Big difference.
Now could we stay on topic? I think this actually goes to another thread that somehow got brought up in this one.

Morgaine said:

laurarichardson said:

Billy was asked a question and he answered it he was not speculating on Prince’s mental health like Mrs. Garcia who had no contact with Prince for 20 years and certainly not an educated person. See the article from Ebony below where Prince tells the reporter he had surgery. Do you think he was lying in this interview 6 years before he died in some elaborate plan? He had surgery so he had to have doctors. He had a 65k medical expense on his inventory for 2016. Just turn on your thinking cap. https://www.google.com/am...ons-death/

This thread isn't about Billy or medical bills - it's about a YT video in which Mayte stated she believes Prince's insecuritiy caused him to crave other women. We can choose to agree or disagree with Mayte's statement (s) in the video. The facts are: she doesn't have a psych degree. She was friends, dated, & was married to him for around 10 years. She had a few conversations in the 15 or so years since the divorce. She has a right to her opinion as much as you or I do. Idc whose opinion is more valid to you or me. The point I keep making, that you consistently choose to not address is how being snarky, throwing shade, & attacking people personally hinder debate & conversation. I enjoy discussing subjects with people who have differing opinions/POVs than mine as I've learned a great deal by keeping an open mind. It really is possible to disagree (and even be pissed off) with someone without telling me I need to "put my thinking cap on". I think you have some very valid POVs that you bring to discussions but once it gets personal & emotions get involved, it becomes very difficult to remain focused on the topic at hand. I think most people here know you can't stand Mayte but I don't see a connection to her saying Prince was insecure, Billy & the 60+k in medical bills. ???

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It's really sad to see such disrespect being thrown around the Org. It's very unnecessary and Prince would not want this. We all love and are passionate about Prince and his legacy, so please be respectful of other people feelings. Like Books, Black Lives and Albums, FEELINGS matter. Love4OneAnother.

Of course Prince had insecurities, don't we all? If you don't, then you're lying.

Nevermind

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cloveringold85 said:

Of course Prince had insecurities, don't we all? If you don't, then you're lying.

This scene just came to my mind...lol "You're Lying..."

cloveringold85 said:

Of course Prince had insecurities, don't we all? If you don't, then you're lying.

I said I did not think insercurites had anything to do with his women chasing I did not say he did not have any at all.

As women sometimes we need to wake up and smell the coffee some guys are dogs and often times they are tellling us and we just do not want to see it. I see Mrs. Garcia as that type of women.

Just will not wake up.

SayItsJustADream said:

cloveringold85 said:

Of course Prince had insecurities, don't we all? If you don't, then you're lying.

This scene just came to my mind...lol "You're Lying..."

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Ha-ha!! Good one!!

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

Of course Prince had insecurities, don't we all? If you don't, then you're lying.

I said I did not think insercurites had anything to do with his women chasing I did not say he did not have any at all.

As women sometimes we need to wake up and smell the coffee some guys are dogs and often times they are tellling us and we just do not want to see it. I see Mrs. Garcia as that type of women.

Just will not wake up.

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Prince loved women, and I'm sure Garcia already knew that before she even met him. I mean, she did stalk him (I mean, she was obsessed with him) after all.

cloveringold85 said:

Wrong wife. She never stalked him. Perhaps you should read her book too. I think Prince was far more obsessed with her than she was with him. Ever heard of the “Love Symbol” album.

amethyst68 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Prince loved women, and I'm sure Garcia already knew that before she even met him. I mean, she did stalk him (I mean, she was obsessed with him) after all.

Wrong wife. She never stalked him. Perhaps you should read her book too. I think Prince was far more obsessed with her than she was with him. Ever heard of the “Love Symbol” album.

If he was obsessed with her why was he dating Nona and Carmen at the same time? And according to her ran around on her with a few others. He used her youth to weave a story for his album.

Real talk her mother and father are too blame for the whole mess.

Morgaine said:

laurarichardson said:

It comes up in this interview. Good Lord this has been discussed one thousand times.

https://www.google.com/am...ons-death/

His walk was more of a “pimp,” really — partially due to a recent hip surgery, but also because Prince just ...

[Edited 12/13/17 13:33pm]

That's great thanks, but it's still not proof. I said it's very likely. I'm not stating he didn't have hip surgery, I'm saying there's no definitive proof. Big difference. Now could we stay on topic? I think this actually goes to another thread that somehow got brought up in this one.

Why would surgery come up in the interview if he did not have surgery? Just answer this question and think for a minute.

The only concrete proof we are going to get is to see his medical file which we are never going to see so this is what we are going with.