laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said: Wow, you excuse everything he did just to portray Mayte in a Bad light even if she was the victim. That shows once again that you personally don't like.

I am not excusing I am telling you why he I think he did it. Whatever you think it was wrong or right is not important. I do not have to try and make Mayte look bad she does a great job of that on her own.

Crying and whining over a man who treated you like crap when he decided he was done with you 20 years on is not a smart move.

Prince was a dog and she knew that when and while she was married to him. He might have been a really good dad but he was not a good boyfriend or husband and she should have saw that from the begining.

JWs, Larry or M2 had nothing to do with his cave man attitude toward women. My guess is he was raised that way and he may have toned it down as he got older but he never stopped chasing women.

as much as i love prince for various reasons, i do fully accept the above.

i don't personally care how tender and sweet and appropriately nasty he was in the bedroom (it is

fun to giggle about) but

those are not my criteria for a good boyfriend or husband. He needed folks who were not into

him that way to tell him that for his own good. Now i know people will say "no he didn't", because

those people want him to be what they want for "their" sake. That is selfish. I don't want or need

Prince to have solely sang clean music to suit me, even tho i prefer less explicit music. Prince

you were by all accounts a tender dog, but by the outside looks that tender dog could not stay

with a pack. Lone wolf?? maybe that is what we see here.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I bet she'd talk differently if it was about Vanity.

Vanity had enough sense to move on with her life. Remember she left him because he was cheating on her often times right in front of her face. Vanity made a smart move and left.

Keeping ingnoring the facts if you want it will not change them.

and vanity made that decision with possibly a foggy head. That is a girl who knew she was not

gonna be one of many. that's some grit!!

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

I am not excusing I am telling you why he I think he did it. Whatever you think it was wrong or right is not important. I do not have to try and make Mayte look bad she does a great job of that on her own.

Crying and whining over a man who treated you like crap when he decided he was done with you 20 years on is not a smart move.

Prince was a dog and she knew that when and while she was married to him. He might have been a really good dad but he was not a good boyfriend or husband and she should have saw that from the begining.

JWs, Larry or M2 had nothing to do with his cave man attitude toward women. My guess is he was raised that way and he may have toned it down as he got older but he never stopped chasing women.

as much as i love prince for various reasons, i do fully accept the above.

i don't personally care how tender and sweet and appropriately nasty he was in the bedroom (it is

fun to giggle about) but

those are not my criteria for a good boyfriend or husband. He needed folks who were not into

him that way to tell him that for his own good. Now i know people will say "no he didn't", because

those people want him to be what they want for "their" sake. That is selfish. I don't want or need

Prince to have solely sang clean music to suit me, even tho i prefer less explicit music. Prince

you were by all accounts a tender dog, but by the outside looks that tender dog could not stay

with a pack. Lone wolf?? maybe that is what we see here.

Co-sign. He had a dog side to his personality and I wish somepeople would get out of their feelings and into reality. Devin said he even told her when he broke up with her that he had a bad side and he did not want her to see.

He told her he was going out to club and she was not invited to come along. His dog side was coming out and he was giving her notice.

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

Vanity had enough sense to move on with her life. Remember she left him because he was cheating on her often times right in front of her face. Vanity made a smart move and left.

Keeping ingnoring the facts if you want it will not change them.

and vanity made that decision with possibly a foggy head. That is a girl who knew she was not

gonna be one of many. that's some grit!!

Yes, she made a sound decision and she was probaly high out of her mind. What does that say about Mayte? Even Sheila E said she knew he was seeing other women and she accepted it until she could not take it anymore.

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

as much as i love prince for various reasons, i do fully accept the above.

i don't personally care how tender and sweet and appropriately nasty he was in the bedroom (it is

fun to giggle about) but

those are not my criteria for a good boyfriend or husband. He needed folks who were not into

him that way to tell him that for his own good. Now i know people will say "no he didn't", because

those people want him to be what they want for "their" sake. That is selfish. I don't want or need

Prince to have solely sang clean music to suit me, even tho i prefer less explicit music. Prince

you were by all accounts a tender dog, but by the outside looks that tender dog could not stay

with a pack. Lone wolf?? maybe that is what we see here.

Co-sign. He had a dog side to his personality and I wish somepeople would get out of their feelings and into reality. Devin said he even told her when he broke up with her that he had a bad side and he did not want her to see.

He told her he was going out to club and she was not invited to come along. His dog side was coming out and he was giving her notice.

i hate to be so simplistic about it, but if we just follow the partnering and patterns of nature shows

we will see how our behavior gets us our own result. If you want a mate for life there are certain

ways you have to be to atttract and keep that mate. if your think your mating calls will work

on a mate who obviously moves from female to female to female regardless of how loud you

put out your mating signals. STOP SIGNALING/CALLING!!!! to that one. if you want a nest builder

please look for those signs. if you don't like a wanderer don't pick one, unless you are too.

yes there are sublte things we as people are flexible on, i'm not speaking to those things. We

arent that complicated. Sniff the air, if it smells off go the other way.

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Can I ask you something. Why is the implication that Prince might have weakness or vulnerabilities that motivate his darker "dog" side such an offensive notion that you accuse people of being in their feelings? I agree that women in his life acting surprised by his womanizing ways is irritating. But most men, I suspect, who can't settle down with one woman (even into their 50's and after it has caused them much drama) have some issues. Even Warren Beatty outgrew his ego-stroking womanizing ways. Mayte can get on my nerves sometimes but I don't understand why what she said is such an outrageous statement. Prince was a sexual man and had urges. But middle aged men's urges do slow down eventually. So I don't think it was all just physical urges that motivated him. PLus, from all accounts, Prince was more comfortable around women than men anyhow.

I suspect that Prince's relationships with women were motivated by sex, companionship, ego, temptation, insecurity, loneliness, control, love, and artistic inspiration. I suspect that it was a messy blend of all thse things. I don't think chucking it all up to his environment is all there is to it. After all, Andre came from an even more pimpish environment and it sounds like he settled down. I get the feeling that it is more offensie to you that Prince be called weak than be called a dog. Well, dogs are weak..

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

as much as i love prince for various reasons, i do fully accept the above.

i don't personally care how tender and sweet and appropriately nasty he was in the bedroom (it is

fun to giggle about) but

those are not my criteria for a good boyfriend or husband. He needed folks who were not into

him that way to tell him that for his own good. Now i know people will say "no he didn't", because

those people want him to be what they want for "their" sake. That is selfish. I don't want or need

Prince to have solely sang clean music to suit me, even tho i prefer less explicit music. Prince

you were by all accounts a tender dog, but by the outside looks that tender dog could not stay

with a pack. Lone wolf?? maybe that is what we see here.

Co-sign. He had a dog side to his personality and I wish somepeople would get out of their feelings and into reality. Devin said he even told her when he broke up with her that he had a bad side and he did not want her to see.

He told her he was going out to club and she was not invited to come along. His dog side was coming out and he was giving her notice.

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purplerabbithole said:

Can I ask you something. Why is the implication that Prince might have weakness or vulnerabilities that motivate his darker "dog" side such an offensive notion that you accuse people of being in their feelings? I agree that women in his life acting surprised by his womanizing ways is irritating. But most men, I suspect, who can't settle down with one woman (even into their 50's and after it has caused them much drama) have some issues. Even Warren Beatty outgrew his ego-stroking womanizing ways. Mayte can get on my nerves sometimes but I don't understand why what she said is such an outrageous statement. Prince was a sexual man and had urges. But middle aged men's urges do slow down eventually. So I don't think it was all just physical urges that motivated him. PLus, from all accounts, Prince was more comfortable around women than men anyhow.

I suspect that Prince's relationships with women were motivated by sex, companionship, ego, temptation, insecurity, loneliness, control, love, and artistic inspiration. I suspect that it was a messy blend of all thse things. I don't think chucking it all up to his environment is all there is to it. After all, Andre came from an even more pimpish environment and it sounds like he settled down.

laurarichardson said:

Co-sign. He had a dog side to his personality and I wish somepeople would get out of their feelings and into reality. Devin said he even told her when he broke up with her that he had a bad side and he did not want her to see.

He told her he was going out to club and she was not invited to come along. His dog side was coming out and he was giving her notice.

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hey rabbit, not sure if your asking me or LR, but i think we could easily be talking about andre if

the events lead that way and if his inner constitutions were along the same lines (womanizing et all). it is not personal

against prince. i'm more looking at just his behavoir. only going by his actions. i like Mayte, i like

prince, i like Vanity, heck i'm ok with LG. i do think his enviorment made him, just as it made

mayte, we all have that burden of both the good and bad that made us. but i think we have to be

frankly told who we are sometimes. And it doesn't feel good. working out at the gym comes

with some pain, but we enjoy the result. i am saying the workout he needed for his ego would

have involved discomfort, maybe pain, but he would have enjoyed the result, perhaps. IMO

and looping back to the op.

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I am not saying that Prince's environment didn't have an impact. Hell, his dad was a player as well. But the environment he grew up in doesn't entirely make the man. He had long since let the "cave". I also agree that a few more reality checks would have been nice for Prince's own sake. But the reality is that Prince's failed relationships are so numerous that he would have had to be completely blind not to see that sustaining relationships with his approach was not going to happen. I am more talking to Laura because she tends to dislike most of Prince's ex's unless they are hard-asses like JIll. These women knew him. If they saw vulnerablities, they probably were there. one's environment shows one how to behave; but its doesn't dictate why one behaves the way he/she does even years after leaving that environment. It doesn't explain why Prince surrounded himself with women of varying placements in his life (some sexual, some romantic, some strictly professional, some muse-like, some mother-like, some equals, some submissive, ). Prince is more Guido Anselmi from 8 1/2 than some pimp in my opinion. Does it mean a woman should date him expecting faithfulness? Probably not? Like Tamron Hall ( a friend of Prince's) once said, "you don't date Prince."

purplefam99 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Can I ask you something. Why is the implication that Prince might have weakness or vulnerabilities that motivate his darker "dog" side such an offensive notion that you accuse people of being in their feelings? I agree that women in his life acting surprised by his womanizing ways is irritating. But most men, I suspect, who can't settle down with one woman (even into their 50's and after it has caused them much drama) have some issues. Even Warren Beatty outgrew his ego-stroking womanizing ways. Mayte can get on my nerves sometimes but I don't understand why what she said is such an outrageous statement. Prince was a sexual man and had urges. But middle aged men's urges do slow down eventually. So I don't think it was all just physical urges that motivated him. PLus, from all accounts, Prince was more comfortable around women than men anyhow.

I suspect that Prince's relationships with women were motivated by sex, companionship, ego, temptation, insecurity, loneliness, control, love, and artistic inspiration. I suspect that it was a messy blend of all thse things. I don't think chucking it all up to his environment is all there is to it. After all, Andre came from an even more pimpish environment and it sounds like he settled down.

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[Edited 12/21/17 8:42am]

hey rabbit, not sure if your asking me or LR, but i think we could easily be talking about andre if

the events lead that way and if his inner constitutions were along the same lines (womanizing et all). it is not personal

against prince. i'm more looking at just his behavoir. only going by his actions. i like Mayte, i like

prince, i like Vanity, heck i'm ok with LG. i do think his enviorment made him, just as it made

mayte, we all have that burden of both the good and bad that made us. but i think we have to be

frankly told who we are sometimes. And it doesn't feel good. working out at the gym comes

with some pain, but we enjoy the result. i am saying the workout he needed for his ego would

have involved discomfort, maybe pain, but he would have enjoyed the result, perhaps. IMO

and looping back to the op.

[Edited 12/21/17 8:53am]

[Edited 12/21/17 8:55am]

It is not offensive to me but appears to be offensive to some orgers thus they are getting upset about the discussion of his dog behavior. Some are acting as if he was cheating on them.

If Mayte wants to believe she was the love of Prince's life she is free to believe but did he act like she was the love of his life? Actions speak louder then words.

Some men run around because they want to. Sometimes it is nothing more to it then that. Andre had two brothers that were pimps and later went to prison. N. Minneapolis had a pimp culture these young guys grew up around that. Andre has been married 3 times and has 7 kids. Maybe he settled down because he had to.

Dogs are not weak and every person was not meant for settling down. He choose to have polyarnous stituations the whole of his life.

purplerabbithole said:

Can I ask you something. Why is the implication that Prince might have weakness or vulnerabilities that motivate his darker "dog" side such an offensive notion that you accuse people of being in their feelings? I agree that women in his life acting surprised by his womanizing ways is irritating. But most men, I suspect, who can't settle down with one woman (even into their 50's and after it has caused them much drama) have some issues. Even Warren Beatty outgrew his ego-stroking womanizing ways. Mayte can get on my nerves sometimes but I don't understand why what she said is such an outrageous statement. Prince was a sexual man and had urges. But middle aged men's urges do slow down eventually. So I don't think it was all just physical urges that motivated him. PLus, from all accounts, Prince was more comfortable around women than men anyhow.

I suspect that Prince's relationships with women were motivated by sex, companionship, ego, temptation, insecurity, loneliness, control, love, and artistic inspiration. I suspect that it was a messy blend of all thse things. I don't think chucking it all up to his environment is all there is to it. After all, Andre came from an even more pimpish environment and it sounds like he settled down. I get the feeling that it is more offensie to you that Prince be called weak than be called a dog. Well, dogs are weak..

laurarichardson said:

Co-sign. He had a dog side to his personality and I wish somepeople would get out of their feelings and into reality. Devin said he even told her when he broke up with her that he had a bad side and he did not want her to see.

He told her he was going out to club and she was not invited to come along. His dog side was coming out and he was giving her notice.

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[Edited 12/21/17 8:42am]

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purplerabbithole said:

I am not saying that Prince's environment didn't have an impact. Hell, his dad was a player as well. But the environment he grew up in doesn't entirely make the man. He had long since let the "cave". I also agree that a few more reality checks would have been nice for Prince's own sake. But the reality is that Prince's failed relationships are so numerous that he would have had to be completely blind not to see that sustaining relationships with his approach was not going to happen. I am more talking to Laura because she tends to dislike most of Prince's ex's unless they are hard-asses like JIll. These women knew him. If they saw vulnerablities, they probably were there. one's environment shows one how to behave; but its doesn't dictate why one behaves the way he/she does even years after leaving that environment. It doesn't explain why Prince surrounded himself with women of varying placements in his life (some sexual, some romantic, some strictly professional, some muse-like, some mother-like, some equals, some submissive, ). Prince is more Guido Anselmi from 8 1/2 than some pimp in my opinion. Does it mean a woman should date him expecting faithfulness? Probably not? Like Tamron Hall ( a friend of Prince's) once said, "you don't date Prince."

purplefam99 said:

hey rabbit, not sure if your asking me or LR, but i think we could easily be talking about andre if

the events lead that way and if his inner constitutions were along the same lines (womanizing et all). it is not personal

against prince. i'm more looking at just his behavoir. only going by his actions. i like Mayte, i like

prince, i like Vanity, heck i'm ok with LG. i do think his enviorment made him, just as it made

mayte, we all have that burden of both the good and bad that made us. but i think we have to be

frankly told who we are sometimes. And it doesn't feel good. working out at the gym comes

with some pain, but we enjoy the result. i am saying the workout he needed for his ego would

have involved discomfort, maybe pain, but he would have enjoyed the result, perhaps. IMO

and looping back to the op.

[Edited 12/21/17 8:53am]

[Edited 12/21/17 8:55am]

hmmm^^^i hear you and yes we do have the will power to change ourselves.

but i believe we are shot from the womb with our highest potential and it is then the parents largely

and society secondly to nurture that potential. As much as we want to relish individualism we

have an obligation as a village to guide the arrow. We are the big trees we can see further down the road than the little trees, we should tell the little trees what is up ahead and coming and prepare them

for it. i don't think P got enough of that in his early enviroment. some say by birth to 7 is our most

flexible time for forming how we will interpret and react to our enviorment, we can adjust after that

but then it requires more will to do it. like a child who is taught not to lie in this span will likely

be less inclined to lie if taught why it is important not to, vs the child at 10 trying to get his will to

out weight his habit. i don't know, i do what i can with my precious ones.

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He choose to have polyarnous stituations the whole of his life.

No disaagreement there.

But Prince is not one of Andre's pimp brothers. He was his own man.

NO doubt he was influenced by his upbringing. But we are not just products of our environment. We are more complicated that that. And, Prince's environments were varied. And who says that even ANdre's pimp brothers didn't have insecurities etc. THe idea that men from North Minneapolis are made of stone because someof them whored around or treated women like whores--to me, that indicates a reluctance to believe that men from that area or subculture have weakness and insecurites like the rest of humanity. Admitting they are human is not the same thing as condoning some of their more offensive behaviors. Plus, real professional pimps are not what Prince or even morris and Andre was. Real pimps are often the most violent kind of people. Do you honestly think Prince was that bad or that his proteges were as powerless as prostitutes selling their wares on the street. If Prince was a pimp, he was "pimp-lite"

laurarichardson said:

It is not offensive to me but appears to be offensive to some orgers thus they are getting upset about the discussion of his dog behavior. Some are acting as if he was cheating on them.

If Mayte wants to believe she was the love of Prince's life she is free to believe but did he act like she was the love of his life? Actions speak louder then words.

Some men run around because they want to. Sometimes it is nothing more to it then that. Andre had two brothers that were pimps and later went to prison. N. Minneapolis had a pimp culture these young guys grew up around that. Andre has been married 3 times and has 7 kids. Maybe he settled down because he had to.

Dogs are not weak and every person was not meant for settling down. He choose to have polyarnous stituations the whole of his life.

purplerabbithole said:

Can I ask you something. Why is the implication that Prince might have weakness or vulnerabilities that motivate his darker "dog" side such an offensive notion that you accuse people of being in their feelings? I agree that women in his life acting surprised by his womanizing ways is irritating. But most men, I suspect, who can't settle down with one woman (even into their 50's and after it has caused them much drama) have some issues. Even Warren Beatty outgrew his ego-stroking womanizing ways. Mayte can get on my nerves sometimes but I don't understand why what she said is such an outrageous statement. Prince was a sexual man and had urges. But middle aged men's urges do slow down eventually. So I don't think it was all just physical urges that motivated him. PLus, from all accounts, Prince was more comfortable around women than men anyhow.

I suspect that Prince's relationships with women were motivated by sex, companionship, ego, temptation, insecurity, loneliness, control, love, and artistic inspiration. I suspect that it was a messy blend of all thse things. I don't think chucking it all up to his environment is all there is to it. After all, Andre came from an even more pimpish environment and it sounds like he settled down. I get the feeling that it is more offensie to you that Prince be called weak than be called a dog. Well, dogs are weak..

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He grew up in Andre's house. You are being very naive about a lot of things. I never said these guys were made of stone. Andre's brother Eddie was a registered sex offender. Eddie worked on Prince for a while as a bodyguard according to Dre. One of the Anderson sisters use to make Prince's clothes. He was very close to this family.

Even TC Ellis said they grew up around pimps and huslters and while none of them had to resort to that it was a hugh influence on all of them.

You do literally have to put women on the street corner to be a pimp. I am talking about cultural things that are think are above your head.

Even Charles Smith said he and Prince had women giving them gifts when they were teens.

That is a pimp mind set.

purplerabbithole said:

He choose to have polyarnous stituations the whole of his life.

No disaagreement there.

But Prince is not one of Andre's pimp brothers. He was his own man.

NO doubt he was influenced by his upbringing. But we are not just products of our environment. We are more complicated that that. And, Prince's environments were varied. And who says that even ANdre's pimp brothers didn't have insecurities etc. THe idea that men from North Minneapolis are made of stone because someof them whored around or treated women like whores--to me, that indicates a reluctance to believe that men from that area or subculture have weakness and insecurites like the rest of humanity. Admitting they are human is not the same thing as condoning some of their more offensive behaviors. Plus, real professional pimps are not what Prince or even morris and Andre was. Real pimps are often the most violent kind of people. Do you honestly think Prince was that bad or that his proteges were as powerless as prostitutes selling their wares on the street. If Prince was a pimp, he was "pimp-lite"

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I am not being naive. I just refuse to over-simplify people. Postering, fronting, and womanizing does not rule out insecurites and conflicting feelings where male/female relations are concerned. Prince was a mass of contradictions even back in the day and his influences were not just Andre and the boys. They were also his workaholic mother and father as well as strong motherly figures like Mrs. ANderson (who apparently whipped his ass for messing around with a girl while playing hooky.) and aunts etc. I have already read everything you posted below . NO need to restate it as if I have never read it before. All Mayte might have meant was that when Prince was feeling insecure about himself he resorted back into a "pimp-like" behavior or mentality. This notion is not even close to being far-fetched IMO.

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purplerabbithole said:

I am not being naive. I just refuse to over-simplify people. Postering, fronting, and womanizing is not the same thing as being a real pimp nor does it rule out insecurites and conflicting feelings where male/female relations are concerned. Prince was a mass of contradictions even back in the day and his influences were not just Andre and the boys. They were also his workaholic mother and father as well as strong motherly figures like Mrs. ANderson (who apparently whipped his ass for messing around with a girl while playing hooky.) and aunts etc. I have already read everything you posted below . NO need to restate it as if I have never read it before.

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Do you just read the words you want to read? I never said he was a real pimp. Do you not understand young black men getting a pimp mindset from older guys they are influnced by.

You do not have to put women on the street to have a pimp mindset about women.

He had women bringing women to him. He had multiple relationships sometimes having a main women.

Dude was pretter then his women and once according to Mayte had his own saloon that she could not even use. The women had the look the way he wanted to look and by at his beck and call.

Most worked for him.

Do you see some similarities?

I took the things out about real pimphood because I knew you wouild flip out. Re-read, please.

All the people in his life worked for him..all his relationships were work based--male and female. He was controlling over everyone. Period. Also, no one stated that Prince couldn't be sexist sometimes, or controlling or vain or hedonistic or spoiled or just horny. That's not my point . My point is that for Prince his motivations were probably more complicated that these things.

As for pimp-like behavior, we are talking about postering and outward behavior. Only the peope in his life directly could see beyond the pimp image. She was in his life. YOu weren't. You can doubt her sincerity but she is not the only woman or man (for that matter) who stated that Prince had insecurities and fears of real intimacy. What better way to cover up insecurities but to live a well-calculated, controlled image of oneself, to resort back to what he was taught in Andre's basement. We are not disagreeing about his behavior. What we are disagreeing about is that his behavior can not possibly indicate weakness or insecurity as times. . Let's say for example when P was with Sheila whilst touring for LoveSexy or SOTT (can't remember which) and he seemed faithful the whole time and then something happened like a bad review or financial stresses, the next thing you know he is cheating...Let's say something like that happened and Sheila or whoever witnessed it and then surmised that insecurity might have made him cheat and resort back to his MOrris Day-like pimp persona this time around?. Could they not be correct in their thinking?

laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said:

I am not being naive. I just refuse to over-simplify people. Postering, fronting, and womanizing is not the same thing as being a real pimp nor does it rule out insecurites and conflicting feelings where male/female relations are concerned. Prince was a mass of contradictions even back in the day and his influences were not just Andre and the boys. They were also his workaholic mother and father as well as strong motherly figures like Mrs. ANderson (who apparently whipped his ass for messing around with a girl while playing hooky.) and aunts etc. I have already read everything you posted below . NO need to restate it as if I have never read it before.

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Do you just read the words you want to read? I never said he was a real pimp. Do you not understand young black men getting a pimp mindset from older guys they are influnced by.

You do not have to put women on the street to have a pimp mindset about women.

He had women bringing women to him. He had multiple relationships sometimes having a main women.

Dude was pretter then his women and once according to Mayte had his own saloon that she could not even use. The women had the look the way he wanted to look and by at his beck and call.

Most worked for him.

Do you see some similarities?

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Prince obviously had hope after he divorced M1, because he married M2, and when that didn't work out, he was pretty much done and stayed single after that. He realized that marriage was just not for him. Like the saying goes, it's better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all.

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Oftentimes, men go after the wrong women and vice versa. People marry for the wrong reasons; people have children for the wrong reasons. We all make mistakes and hopefully, we learn to not repeat them.

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Prince was the type of person that if something or someone did not make him happy; he simply chose to not deal with them anymore. I don't think he was heartless; he wasn't perfect, none of us are.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

You do know that the shirts he bought her can be considered as presents, right? And that they belong to her. Or are the things you buy someone for their birthdays etc yours? If you think that way it's really poor. And if he thought that way, it's poor too, because he acted like a fool, burning her stuff. It's just a little insane if you ask me.

Legally presents can be taken back. No money was exchanged for the gifts. It is not about what I think it is about reality. Also I have stated dudes do not go around burning stuff unless some booty was be given away or suspected to be given away. Mayte is never going to tell us the whole story about the burning because it would make her look bad and she needs to sell books and belly dancing lessons.

Huh? In what country can presents be taken back?

Anyway, it is called marital property.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said: Legally presents can be taken back. No money was exchanged for the gifts. It is not about what I think it is about reality. Also I have stated dudes do not go around burning stuff unless some booty was be given away or suspected to be given away. Mayte is never going to tell us the whole story about the burning because it would make her look bad and she needs to sell books and belly dancing lessons.

Huh? In what country can presents be taken back?

Anyway, it is called marital property.

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True. Whatever Prince gave to Mayte as gifts during their marriage belongs to her. If any items were to be returned to Prince after the divorce, that would have had to be determined by the Judge and agreed by both parties.

If she wanted the items so badly, she would have asked for them during the divorce. She didnt care and only brought it up to illustrate the extreme means he took to erase their history together. SHe's been selling his clothes left over in Spain. He didn't care that she kept them. He might have been pissed that she was trying to profit off them but he didn't ask for them back.

cloveringold85 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Huh? In what country can presents be taken back?

Anyway, it is called marital property.

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True. Whatever Prince gave to Mayte as gifts during their marriage belongs to her. If any items were to be returned to Prince after the divorce, that would have had to be determined by the Judge and agreed by both parties.

purplerabbithole said:

If she wanted the items so badly, she would have asked for them during the divorce. She didnt care and only brought it up to illustrate the extreme means he took to erase their history together. SHe's been selling his clothes left over in Spain. He didn't care that she kept them. He might have been pissed that she was trying to profit off them but he didn't ask for them back.

cloveringold85 said:

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True. Whatever Prince gave to Mayte as gifts during their marriage belongs to her. If any items were to be returned to Prince after the divorce, that would have had to be determined by the Judge and agreed by both parties.

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u can mold the "virgins" to his liking ....but can u make them use a mind they dont have?

luvsexy4all said:

u can mold the "virgins" to his liking ....but can u make them use a mind they dont have?

That's why he liked them. The ones who were strong willed like Vanity & Carmen, it was a very volatile relationship. He couldn't control them.

PennyPurple said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said: Legally presents can be taken back. No money was exchanged for the gifts. It is not about what I think it is about reality. Also I have stated dudes do not go around burning stuff unless some booty was be given away or suspected to be given away. Mayte is never going to tell us the whole story about the burning because it would make her look bad and she needs to sell books and belly dancing lessons.

Huh? In what country can presents be taken back?

Anyway, it is called marital property.

We have no idea what he gave her as a present. She was not even allowed to use his hair saloon.

He also sued to stop Mrs. Friend from selling stuff she claimed he gave her which he claimed were stolen. So you can stop people from selling what the preceive to be a gift if you claim it was not a gift.

If she wanted anything she could have said something doing the divorce. You cannot make dumb moves during a divorce and the cry later when you have no money.

Of course the idea of working appears to be lost her on.

PennyPurple said:

luvsexy4all said:

u can mold the "virgins" to his liking ....but can u make them use a mind they dont have?

That's why he liked them. The ones who were strong willed like Vanity & Carmen, it was a very volatile relationship. He couldn't control them.

So if you are virgin you can be easily molded? How is that so? Does virginity make you stupid?

This news to me. I hate to inform you but P was a dog. This is how dogs think.

1) Virgins - Good Sex because I can teach.

2) Young girls - No money I am in control.

3) Young girls - I do not want anything old but money and wiskey.

4) Young girls - Ego inflation.

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Vanity went off the rails on drugs - She had no control over herself and wanted to be paid.

Carmen - wanted a career out of Prince and when he was not willing to make it happen she left for the Playboy train.

Damn.

I don't know who you hate more--Prince or the women he was with? you seem to think Prince disliked all the women he was with (except what was between their legs) and they all hated him except for what was in his wallet

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

That's why he liked them. The ones who were strong willed like Vanity & Carmen, it was a very volatile relationship. He couldn't control them.

So if you are virgin you can be easily molded? How is that so? Does virginity make you stupid?

This news to me. I hate to inform you but P was a dog. This is how dogs think.

1) Virgins - Good Sex because I can teach.

2) Young girls - No money I am in control.

3) Young girls - I do not want anything old but money and wiskey.

4) Young girls - Ego inflation.

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Vanity went off the rails on drugs - She had no control over herself and wanted to be paid.

Carmen - wanted a career out of Prince and when he was not willing to make it happen she left for the Playboy train.

I do not hate anyone. I am being honest. I do not think Prince disliked women he liked them too much if anything. He was greedy and he wanted them all. I do not think all of the women hated him but there are a few that have made it plain that they wanted a carreer ( Carmen) and you have to be joking if you think he did not know that about some of them but he kept right on going.

With all of the stories about how Hollywood works coming out. It is hard to believe that you cannot see that the music industry is a part of the same system. Also you need to read "Men Are From Mars and Women Are From Venus" Men do not think like women as much as we want them to.

purplerabbithole said:

Damn.

I don't know who you hate more--Prince or the women he was with? you seem to think Prince disliked all the women he was with (except what was between their legs) and they all hated him except for what was in his wallet

laurarichardson said:

So if you are virgin you can be easily molded? How is that so? Does virginity make you stupid?

This news to me. I hate to inform you but P was a dog. This is how dogs think.

1) Virgins - Good Sex because I can teach.

2) Young girls - No money I am in control.

3) Young girls - I do not want anything old but money and wiskey.

4) Young girls - Ego inflation.

---------

Vanity went off the rails on drugs - She had no control over herself and wanted to be paid.

Carmen - wanted a career out of Prince and when he was not willing to make it happen she left for the Playboy train.

Word. She seems really bitter. For whatever reason tho.

purplerabbithole said:

Damn.

I don't know who you hate more--Prince or the women he was with? you seem to think Prince disliked all the women he was with (except what was between their legs) and they all hated him except for what was in his wallet

laurarichardson said:

So if you are virgin you can be easily molded? How is that so? Does virginity make you stupid?

This news to me. I hate to inform you but P was a dog. This is how dogs think.

1) Virgins - Good Sex because I can teach.

2) Young girls - No money I am in control.

3) Young girls - I do not want anything old but money and wiskey.

4) Young girls - Ego inflation.

---------

Vanity went off the rails on drugs - She had no control over herself and wanted to be paid.

Carmen - wanted a career out of Prince and when he was not willing to make it happen she left for the Playboy train.

Equating Prince with Harvey Weinstein?? Weinstein hates women.

I really hope no women come forward to say that Prince sexually harassed them or gave them the "suck my dick" ultimatim.

As for the music industry, I am surprised no women have come forward yet about rock star behavior. It might be that the environment is so much more open about sex than a newsroom that no one is surprised that men and women were fucking around at work and men were proposing young starlets. I don't know. I suspect that Prince used the 'soft sell" and not the"hard sell"approach to coming on to girls. Its easier to disassociate from a man's advances if he is using a subtle approach (not connected with a job ultimatim) than some big burly aggressive man who corners you in his hotel room and states that you need to perform favors if you want to work in this industry. I do know that Sheila E was asked by Larry King about the producer's couch and sexual harassment. She acknowledged that it happened to her. Larry King then said "Prince didn't do that did he?" She answered that he was a "gentleman". Another thing, good looking dudes probably do get away with it more. Prince himself was probably propositioned quite a bit himself. Look at Sherri Shepherd on the View (she groped his knee while stating that she dreamed about making love with him--imagine if the genders/sizes had been reversed) or the guitarist from Living Colour talking about women's reactions to Prince himself. He was a womanizer, but he was also womanized.

laurarichardson said:

I do not hate anyone. I am being honest. I do not think Prince disliked women he liked them too much if anything. He was greedy and he wanted them all. I do not think all of the women hated him but there are a few that have made it plain that they wanted a carreer ( Carmen) and you have to be joking if you think he did not know that about some of them but he kept right on going.

With all of the stories about how Hollywood works coming out. It is hard to believe that you cannot see that the music industry is a part of the same system. Also you need to read "Men Are From Mars and Women Are From Venus" Men do not think like women as much as we want them to.

purplerabbithole said:

Damn.

I don't know who you hate more--Prince or the women he was with? you seem to think Prince disliked all the women he was with (except what was between their legs) and they all hated him except for what was in his wallet

I did not equate Prince with Harvey. I am telling you there is a pay for play system in place. It does not mean Prince harrassed anyone or forced anyone to do anything. I think all the players in his world knew as adutls exactly what they were doing. We have not had one women say they were harrassed or fored to do anything but you women like Carmen and even Vanity who made it plain they were not getting carreer advancement or enough money from them.

He used the soft sell and was probaly fine with it if nothing happend. We know he stayed friends with loads of these women and they all had nice things to say about them.

I am sure he was womanzied. Remember he had crazy women jumping the fence at Paisley.

purplerabbithole said:

Equating Prince with Harvey Weinstein?? Weinstein hates women.

I really hope no women come forward to say that Prince sexually harassed them or gave them the "suck my dick" ultimatim.

As for the music industry, I am surprised no women have come forward yet about rock star behavior. It might be that the environment is so much more open about sex than a newsroom that no one is surprised that men and women were fucking around at work and men were proposing young starlets. I don't know. I suspect that Prince used the 'soft sell" and not the"hard sell"approach to coming on to girls. Its easier to disassociate from a man's advances if he is using a subtle approach (not connected with a job ultimatim) than some big burly aggressive man who corners you in his hotel room and states that you need to perform favors if you want to work in this industry. I do know that Sheila E was asked by Larry King about the producer's couch and sexual harassment. She acknowledged that it happened to her. Larry King then said "Prince didn't do that did he?" She answered that he was a "gentleman". Another thing, good looking dudes probably do get away with it more. Prince himself was probably propositioned quite a bit himself. Look at Sherri Shepherd on the View (she groped his knee while stating that she dreamed about making love with him--imagine if the genders/sizes had been reversed) or the guitarist from Living Colour talking about women's reactions to Prince himself. He was a womanizer, but he was also womanized.

laurarichardson said:

I do not hate anyone. I am being honest. I do not think Prince disliked women he liked them too much if anything. He was greedy and he wanted them all. I do not think all of the women hated him but there are a few that have made it plain that they wanted a carreer ( Carmen) and you have to be joking if you think he did not know that about some of them but he kept right on going.

With all of the stories about how Hollywood works coming out. It is hard to believe that you cannot see that the music industry is a part of the same system. Also you need to read "Men Are From Mars and Women Are From Venus" Men do not think like women as much as we want them to.