Mumio said:

No one is “keeping at it.” Someone made some ignorant and erroneous claims and I replied with facts. If you don’t like the conversation, then stay out of the thread.

amethyst68 said:

Mumio said:

I don't get these stans who keep at it and at it about her. She was there, she's been acknowledged, but it ended many years ago. She wasn't his first woman, she was the first wife, but she wasn't the last wife, Manuela was, and there's been other women since that marriage ended too. Why the need to keep going on and on about an over and done with relationship 20 years down the road? Since it's only come up again since he passed, I'd say it's pretty self-explanatory as to why these people keep at it Money, pure and simple. No better, no worse than any of the others hanging on his fame to make money off his name and talent.

No one is “keeping at it.” Someone made some ignorant and erroneous claims and I replied with facts. If you don’t like the conversation, then stay out of the thread.

Oh? And who do you think you are bossing anyone around? I happen to like Vashtix and I was responding to that poster, not you so.......if you don't like the conversation then don't respond to things not directed at you

Mumio said:

The only one complaining about not liking the conversation is YOU. I don’t know you or Vaseline. I’m simply having a conversation.

amethyst68 said:

Mumio said:

Oh? And who do you think you are bossing anyone around? I happen to like Vashtix and I was responding to that poster, not you so.......if you don't like the conversation then don't respond to things not directed at you

The only one complaining about not liking the conversation is YOU. I don’t know you or Vaseline. I’m simply having a conversation.

I'm sorry I just laughed out loud

*ducks and walks away*

amethyst68 said:

Mumio said:

Oh? And who do you think you are bossing anyone around? I happen to like Vashtix and I was responding to that poster, not you so.......if you don't like the conversation then don't respond to things not directed at you

The only one complaining about not liking the conversation is YOU. I don’t know you or Vaseline. I’m simply having a conversation.

What? I didn't complain about not liking the conversation, I said I don't know why we still keep having it over and over again.

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amethyst68 said:

Reasons why Prince bolted when he saw Mayte;

A. He stil owed her that $10
B. He still had her hot pants from 94 but forgot where he put them and didnt want to face her

C. He remembered he left the iron on.
E. His tooth hurt
F. He had left a cake in the oven

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BillieBalloon said:

Reasons why Prince bolted when he saw Mayte; A. He stil owed her that $10 B. He still had her hot pants from 94 but forgot where he put them and didnt want to face her C. He remembered he left the iron on. E. His tooth hurt F. He had left a cake in the oven ?. [Edited 12/19/17 14:46pm]

Add another reason he bolted when he saw Mayte...

He had someone throw their baby's ashes in the fire and burnt all of her stuff.

PennyPurple said:

See this is exactly the kind of gossip that many dislike her for. She has no first hand knowledge of something so destructive to spread about him after his death, so there's no way to refute it. People like you will take it as fact anyway though.
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endiadj said:

PennyPurple said:

Add another reason he bolted when he saw Mayte...

He had someone throw their baby's ashes in the fire and burnt all of her stuff.

See this is exactly the kind of gossip that many dislike her for. She has no first hand knowledge of something so destructive to spread about him after his death, so there's no way to refute it. People like you will take it as fact anyway though. [Edited 12/19/17 15:18pm]

Guess what...the ashes are still missing, and so are her belongings.

PennyPurple said:

What does that prove? Maybe he had the ashes buried somewhere or scattered them over an ocean. Who knows? Point is, don't spread destructive rumors about people who are no longer here to defend themselves. A question to her would be, why didn't she get a lawyer and demand to be told where her child's ashes are? Why didn't she care enough to do that?😑

endiadj said:

PennyPurple said:

Guess what...the ashes are still missing, and so are her belongings.

What does that prove? Maybe he had the ashes buried somewhere or scattered them over an ocean. Who knows? Point is, don't spread destructive rumors about people who are no longer here to defend themselves. A question to her would be, why didn't she get a lawyer and demand to be told where her child's ashes are? Why didn't she care enough to do that?😑

She was told what happened to those ashes.

PennyPurple said:

That's what she heard from a friend of a 3rd cousin, etc., and took it as fact. As I said, why didn't she lawyer up and sue him to find out the whereabouts of her son? Fact is, again, we'll never know the truth because we only have her word on everything. Prince is no longer here to defend himself against her accusations.

endiadj said:

PennyPurple said:

She was told what happened to those ashes.

That's what she heard from a friend of a 3rd cousin, etc., and took it as fact. As I said, why didn't she lawyer up and sue him to find out the whereabouts of her son? Fact is, again, we'll never know the truth because we only have her word on everything. Prince is no longer here to defend himself against her accusations.

The person who told her this and the person who did this deed are still alive and able to talk....

amethyst68 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Okay. We all have our difference of opinions on this. In my opinion, if my husband locks me out of the house, that means he's pretty much done with me and he's pissed.

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Prince's lawyer was speaking on behalf of Prince, not himself. Prince wanted the best outcome and a smooth transition. Prince was known to not like dealing with legal matters, so he wanted it done quickly and with as little drama as possible.

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I don't know why he handled each divorce differently. Different circumstances, I guess.

Yay! You get it now. If your husband locks you out of your home for more than a year, it means he's pretty much done with the marriage. So, tell me why you believe the statement his lawyer made "on his behalf", so you say, that he didn't want a divorce?

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You're misunderstanding my point. What I mean is this........"Initially" (when M2 filed or said she wanted a divorce), Prince did not want it. She initiated the divorce, not him. Prince was a very private man, as we all know, so he did not want to fight with M2 on the divorce and granted her the divorce. They released their divorce papers, as you know, which M2 didn't want to be made public, because Prince gave her a generous settlement, which he did not do with M1.

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Again, I'm saying in the beginning, he did not want the divorce. But he got pissed because of what she was doing to him, financially and he wasn't having any of it, so he locked her out.

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Can we put this to bed now?

BillieBalloon said:

amethyst68 said:

They had plenty of contact after their divorce. Because you don’t know about, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen buddy. The folklore you speak of, is the lie they didn’t communicate after their divorce. She wasn’t only his first wife and the mother to his only child but she was also a member of the NPG and is credited as such on several songs for background vocals. Unlike Jill Jones who is still griping about not being recognized. She appears in over 30 music videos and is the subject of at least 3 albums and countless other songs. Her name is splashed throughout his album liner notes, not to mention I think she has to be the only woman he was involved with he mentions by name in several songs. So, no, she’s not an M2, who people never knew existed because he never announced her to the world. There are no magazine covers, magazine spreads or interviews with her sitting by his side. There are no countless mentions in interviews about her being the love of his life. There are no former Prince associates coming out saying how much he talked about, so much so they felt they knew her before they met her. I could go on.

Yeah..shes more famous than him. Stop perpetuating a myth. Prince had very little contact with Mayte after the divorce. She even said in the housewives show that they didnt talk. Prince asked her to pay for tickets when she wanted to go see him in concert and she ranted about it publically. She was not allowed to rock up to PP, ahe was not invited by him to anything Prince related. Prince had a habit of completely cutting off from people, even people he once loved. It must have hurt, but these are the facts.

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Will we ever be able to put this argument to rest?? Their marriage ended almost 20-years ago. How many of us still harp on a relationship/marriage that ended two decades ago, really?

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In 20-years, most of us have been married, are still married, or divorced with children; we've changed careers, we've moved, we've been around the world and we've changed and grew-up and moved on. Heck, for me personally, I feel like I've lived several lifetimes in the past 20-years!!

cloveringold85 said:

You couldn’t be more wrong. As I’ve said before, stop assuming and making up your own stories if you don’t know the truth. I’ve been around too long and know far too many people.

amethyst68 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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You're misunderstanding my point. What I mean is this........"Initially" (when M2 filed or said she wanted a divorce), Prince did not want it. She initiated the divorce, not him. Prince was a very private man, as we all know, so he did not want to fight with M2 on the divorce and granted her the divorce. They released their divorce papers, as you know, which M2 didn't want to be made public, because Prince gave her a generous settlement, which he did not do with M1.

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Again, I'm saying in the beginning, he did not want the divorce. But he got pissed because of what she was doing to him, financially and he wasn't having any of it, so he locked her out.

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Can we put this to bed now?

You couldn’t be more wrong. As I’ve said before, stop assuming and making up your own stories if you don’t know the truth. I’ve been around too long and know far too many people.

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Great! Good for you!

PennyPurple said:

endiadj said:

PennyPurple said: See this is exactly the kind of gossip that many dislike her for. She has no first hand knowledge of something so destructive to spread about him after his death, so there's no way to refute it. People like you will take it as fact anyway though. [Edited 12/19/17 15:18pm]

Guess what...the ashes are still missing, and so are her belongings.

But you don't know if his family has these things now and neither does she. They aren't obligated to give them to her nor tell her anything at all about that nor anything else.

And I still want to know why the ashes became so important this far down the line, yet she did nothing about it back when this all took place. Wasn't it important enough to put the effort into getting them? Was it just another thing to use in her book to take a shot at Prince? In this interview in April of this year https://www.youtube.com/w...h0fS__CiVA , she distinctly said "they're just ashes" at the 17:20 mark. Given what she herself said here in this interview, I'm gonna say they aren't nearly as significant as you think they are.

When a person dies, people mourn differently and treat the physical remains differenlty. Some want remains kept in crypts or on mantelpieces. Some want them buried. People used to burn funeral pyres and set the remains off to sea on burning rafts. in defense of Mayte, maybe the bigger point she was making about what Prince did was to illustrate the pain he was going through and the extreme means he took to cauterize the wound. She had to say she wanted the remains (probably because she wanted a say about how the remains were kept but also because people would expect her to want them) THe reality is that maybe in the long run having the child's remains was not going to make anyone feel better. After all, the child's body was the child's worst enemy. His body in a way self-destructed. It was the physically-broken vessel for his soul. For spiritual people like Prince and Mayte, it may have meant less to have the body than to have his soul. Prince made the choice for both of them. She might have sympathized with his choice but also resented that she had no say or opinion about what to do with remains. For all we know, Prince had a little ceremony when he burned the 'ashes'. Ashes are already burned so I assume Mayte means the child's clothes, her stuff and the urn.

Mumio said:

PennyPurple said:

Guess what...the ashes are still missing, and so are her belongings.

But you don't know if his family has these things now and neither does she. They aren't obligated to give them to her nor tell her anything at all about that nor anything else.

And I still want to know why the ashes became so important this far down the line, yet she did nothing about it back when this all took place. Wasn't it important enough to put the effort into getting them? Was it just another thing to use in her book to take a shot at Prince? In this interview in April of this year https://www.youtube.com/w...h0fS__CiVA , she distinctly said "they're just ashes" at the 17:20 mark. Given what she herself said here in this interview, I'm gonna say they aren't nearly as significant as you think they are.

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Mumio said:

Why in the world would some family member be holding on to the ashes of Mayte’s child. Some of y’all say the silliest things. I don’t think you even think of some of the crap that comes from your mouth before you say it. Yes, she did say they were just ashes. That’s how she’s rationalized the foolishness of her ex-husband. The ashes weren’t “so important down the line.” This happened years ago shortly following their divorce.

amethyst68 said:

Mumio said:

But you don't know if his family has these things now and neither does she. They aren't obligated to give them to her nor tell her anything at all about that nor anything else.

And I still want to know why the ashes became so important this far down the line, yet she did nothing about it back when this all took place. Wasn't it important enough to put the effort into getting them? Was it just another thing to use in her book to take a shot at Prince? In this interview in April of this year https://www.youtube.com/w...h0fS__CiVA , she distinctly said "they're just ashes" at the 17:20 mark. Given what she herself said here in this interview, I'm gonna say they aren't nearly as significant as you think they are.

Why in the world would some family member be holding on to the ashes of Mayte’s child. Some of y’all say the silliest things. I don’t think you even think of some of the crap that comes from your mouth before you say it. Yes, she did say they were just ashes. That’s how she’s rationalized the foolishness of her ex-husband. The ashes weren’t “so important down the line.” This happened years ago shortly following their divorce.

Because they were in Prince's belongings so it now belongs to the heirs/estate? You really couldn't figure that out? As for the rest of what you said here, I had no expectations whatsoever that this would be accepted, that's not how you people roll. And yes, they apparently were very important because she included that as part of the book. But you go on and play games all you want because the facts are what they are.

Why are you cherry-picking which quotes or accounts of the 'ash burning' you want to believe. If she says 'they are just ashes", she doesnt mean it and is just justifying Prince's foolishness??? But if she acts like getting the ashes is super important to her, you automatically believe it. Why didn't she at least mention what he did years ago? Why now? If I am being charitable toward Mayte, I could say that she has mixed feelings about the whole thing. If I am being cynical, I could say that the ashes never did mean much to her until she could bring them up in a book to gain sympathy.

She stated that he burned them out of personal pain. To me, that description by her shows mixed feelings on her part about what he died. I actually think its possible that she has conflicting feelings about the whole thing. They are just ashes but he disposed of them without her consent or in a way in which she could also say goodbye or honor her son.

amethyst68 said:

Mumio said:

But you don't know if his family has these things now and neither does she. They aren't obligated to give them to her nor tell her anything at all about that nor anything else.

And I still want to know why the ashes became so important this far down the line, yet she did nothing about it back when this all took place. Wasn't it important enough to put the effort into getting them? Was it just another thing to use in her book to take a shot at Prince? In this interview in April of this year https://www.youtube.com/w...h0fS__CiVA , she distinctly said "they're just ashes" at the 17:20 mark. Given what she herself said here in this interview, I'm gonna say they aren't nearly as significant as you think they are.

Why in the world would some family member be holding on to the ashes of Mayte’s child. Some of y’all say the silliest things. I don’t think you even think of some of the crap that comes from your mouth before you say it. Yes, she did say they were just ashes. That’s how she’s rationalized the foolishness of her ex-husband. The ashes weren’t “so important down the line.” This happened years ago shortly following their divorce.

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purplerabbithole said:

When a person dies, people mourn differently and treat the physical remains differenlty. Some want remains kept in crypts or on mantelpieces. Some want them buried. People used to burn funeral pyres and set the remains off to sea on burning rafts. in defense of Mayte, maybe the bigger point she was making about what Prince did was to illustrate the pain he was going through and the extreme means he took to cauterize the wound. She had to say she wanted the remains (probably because she wanted a say about how the remains were kept but also because people would expect her to want them) THe reality is that maybe in the long run having the child's remains was not going to make anyone feel better. After all, the child body was his worst enemy. It was the physically-broken vessel for his soul. For spiritual people like Prince and Mayte, it may have meant less to have the body than to have his soul. Prince made the choice for both of them. She might have sympathized with his choice but also resented that she had no say or opinion about what to do with remains. For all we know, Prince had a little ceremony when he burned the 'ashes'. Ashes are already burned so I assume Mayte means the child's clothes, her stuff and the urn.

Mumio said:

But you don't know if his family has these things now and neither does she. They aren't obligated to give them to her nor tell her anything at all about that nor anything else.

And I still want to know why the ashes became so important this far down the line, yet she did nothing about it back when this all took place. Wasn't it important enough to put the effort into getting them? Was it just another thing to use in her book to take a shot at Prince? In this interview in April of this year https://www.youtube.com/w...h0fS__CiVA , she distinctly said "they're just ashes" at the 17:20 mark. Given what she herself said here in this interview, I'm gonna say they aren't nearly as significant as you think they are.

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Purplerabbit: I have to agree. I don't understand the conflict between Mayte and Prince regarding their Son's remains. I believe as the mother, Mayte had just as much right to her infant son's remains as Prince did, and this should have been something that should have been discussed and handled properly. Personally, I don't think it was handled properly. I think Prince and Mayte both grieved for their late son in their own way. I wonder what stopped Mayte from getting her late Son's remains? Was it because she would not be able to afford the legal fee's involved if she had to take it to court? I dunno. The whole thing is just beyond weird, imo.

purplerabbithole said:

Why are you cherry-picking which quotes or accounts of the 'ash burning' you want to believe. If she says 'they are just ashes", she doesnt mean it and is just justifying Prince's foolishness??? But if she acts like getting the ashes is super important to her, you automatically believe it. Why didn't she at least mention what he did years ago? Why now? If I am being charitable toward Mayte, I could say that she has mixed feelings about the whole thing. If I am being cynical, I could say that the ashes never did mean much to her until she could bring them up in a book to gain sympathy.

She stated that he burned them out of personal pain. To me, that description by her shows mixed feelings on her part about what he died. I actually think its possible that she has conflicting feelings about the whole thing. They are just ashes but he disposed of them without her consent or in a way in which she could also say goodbye or honor her son.

amethyst68 said:

Mumio said: Why in the world would some family member be holding on to the ashes of Mayte’s child. Some of y’all say the silliest things. I don’t think you even think of some of the crap that comes from your mouth before you say it. Yes, she did say they were just ashes. That’s how she’s rationalized the foolishness of her ex-husband. The ashes weren’t “so important down the line.” This happened years ago shortly following their divorce.

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I seriously doubt any judge would have denied her the rights to those remains (what additional legal fees would be needed with something so obvious as a child's remains.) . I doubt she even asked for them during the initial proceedings (for whatever reason) . Maybe she regretted it and went inquiring later but it was too late because he burned the urn and threw the ashes into the sea/lake/mountains whatever.

cloveringold85 said:

purplerabbithole said:

When a person dies, people mourn differently and treat the physical remains differenlty. Some want remains kept in crypts or on mantelpieces. Some want them buried. People used to burn funeral pyres and set the remains off to sea on burning rafts. in defense of Mayte, maybe the bigger point she was making about what Prince did was to illustrate the pain he was going through and the extreme means he took to cauterize the wound. She had to say she wanted the remains (probably because she wanted a say about how the remains were kept but also because people would expect her to want them) THe reality is that maybe in the long run having the child's remains was not going to make anyone feel better. After all, the child body was his worst enemy. It was the physically-broken vessel for his soul. For spiritual people like Prince and Mayte, it may have meant less to have the body than to have his soul. Prince made the choice for both of them. She might have sympathized with his choice but also resented that she had no say or opinion about what to do with remains. For all we know, Prince had a little ceremony when he burned the 'ashes'. Ashes are already burned so I assume Mayte means the child's clothes, her stuff and the urn.

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Purplerabbit: I have to agree. I don't understand the conflict between Mayte and Prince regarding their Son's remains. I believe as the mother, Mayte had just as much right to her infant son's remains as Prince did, and this should have been something that should have been discussed and handled properly. Personally, I don't think it was handled properly. I think Prince and Mayte both grieved for their late son in their own way. I wonder what stopped Mayte from getting her late Son's remains? Was it because she would not be able to afford the legal fee's involved if she had to take it to court? I dunno. The whole thing is just beyond weird, imo.

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purplerabbithole said:

I seriously doubt any judge would have denied her the rights to those remains (what additional legal fees would be needed with something so obvious as a child's remains.) . I doubt she even asked for them during the initial proceedings (for whatever reason) . Maybe she regretted it and went inquiring later but it was too late because he burned the urn and threw the ashes into the sea/lake/mountains whatever.

cloveringold85 said:

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Purplerabbit: I have to agree. I don't understand the conflict between Mayte and Prince regarding their Son's remains. I believe as the mother, Mayte had just as much right to her infant son's remains as Prince did, and this should have been something that should have been discussed and handled properly. Personally, I don't think it was handled properly. I think Prince and Mayte both grieved for their late son in their own way. I wonder what stopped Mayte from getting her late Son's remains? Was it because she would not be able to afford the legal fee's involved if she had to take it to court? I dunno. The whole thing is just beyond weird, imo.

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True; no parent would have to fight for their child's remains. I think she wrote about it in her book because it's her way of coming to terms with the loss of her child and wanted to let her reader's know the pain she was going through. While I don't condone some of the things she did and said against Prince, I do have some compassion for the woman because she lost a child, then miscarried another. That is something you never get over. But people have to remember, Prince lost his only son and he was hurting too. The difference with Prince is that he would have never written it in a book; it was too personal and painful for him. I'm sorry for what they both went through.

PennyPurple said:

Because the ashes are missing it does not mean they went in a fire. Has this chick even bothered to find out if they found the Urn in his personal things? As far as her belongings would they not be his belongings. Mayte has no idea what happened to that Urn and she is not trying to find out. She repeated something she cannot to this day verify just to sell a few books.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Guess what...the ashes are still missing, and so are her belongings.

Because the ashes are missing it does not mean they went in a fire. Has this chick even bothered to find out if they found the Urn in his personal things? As far as her belongings would they not be his belongings. Mayte has no idea what happened to that Urn and she is not trying to find out. She repeated something she cannot to this day verify just to sell a few books.

So you are saying that her belongings were his to do with what he wanted?

So since you think that, why do you think the belongings that she had of his that were left in the house in Spain, were not hers to do with what she wanted? Because, that's what you've said......

PennyPurple said:

Why are you laughing? Is what did or did not happen to the childs remains a joke to you?

amethyst68 said:

Yea but I bet they all mention his true loves: Madonna, Bassinger, and Sheena Easton. The media will push whatever image of P THEY want him remembered as. Orgers will always acknowledge Denise, Susannah and Sheila. C'mon now...