MMJas said:

rogifan said:

purplerabbithole said: What younger people are you referring to? I don’t know who was around on a regular basis but how do we know who was around on a regular basis in other years when he wasn’t really touring. Prince was working with Kirk, Donna, Mononeon and Adrian Crutchfield. Was that only in 2015 or did it spill into 2016? Let’s not forget Adrian specifically went on Funkeberry’s podcast to shoot down drug addict claims. Why would he feel it necessary to do that? I just wish Elisa wouod really say what she wants to say or say nothing at all.

Do you not think Prince was surrounded by yes men and women? I think this is one of the reasons he kept working with different people all the time. When people get close they start seeing things and questioning things and even dare to intervene.

She mentions an episode and since everyone knows how Prince died, dhe knew how her words would have been perceived. She said nothing and yet said a lot. Had the episode been the hip surgery, she probably would have said it, cause it's common knowledge now.

To me her words and wording implied that something happened, an episode as something which belongs to a greater picture. Something she was sure she and the others close at the time avoided from taking a darker turn, so it seems. I mean, how clearer can you be, when we all know he died of an overdose?

How about just come out and be specific and say what you mean since you want to talk so much (meaning her, not you MMJAS)? Not just calling it an incident but BE SPECIFIC. Because after all, like you said yourself, we know he died from a drug overdose....so why not come out and say it then???? You know why, because they use him for self-promotion. Who'd listen if Prince didn't come up in the convo? That's right, very few. Wouldn't even know her if it wasn't for her association with him.

purplerabbithole said:

She said his "chi" was off.
I was thinking about this yesterday too.
Something happened or was happening that caused him to be misaligned with God/his awareness/his channel was not clear.
I wonder what it was. Was it just pain, or pain pill use catching up to him, or really rough attempts at detox? Jill said he was "on something" in February I think it was when they all saw each other.

I also had the feeling last year that he was sad about something from 2015 onwards.
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Mumio said:

MMJas said:

Do you not think Prince was surrounded by yes men and women? I think this is one of the reasons he kept working with different people all the time. When people get close they start seeing things and questioning things and even dare to intervene.

She mentions an episode and since everyone knows how Prince died, dhe knew how her words would have been perceived. She said nothing and yet said a lot. Had the episode been the hip surgery, she probably would have said it, cause it's common knowledge now.

To me her words and wording implied that something happened, an episode as something which belongs to a greater picture. Something she was sure she and the others close at the time avoided from taking a darker turn, so it seems. I mean, how clearer can you be, when we all know he died of an overdose?

How about just come out and be specific and say what you mean since you want to talk so much (meaning her, not you MMJAS)? Not just calling it an incident but BE SPECIFIC. Because after all, like you said yourself, we know he died from a drug overdose....so why not come out and say it then???? You know why, because they use him for self-promotion. Who'd listen if Prince didn't come up in the convo? That's right, very few. Wouldn't even know her if it wasn't for her association with him.

You may be right, of course, I mean, there's plenty of that going round and from people I didn't expect, but who knows? Perhaps she's under some sort of a confidenciality agreement also. But yes, you may be right.

rogifan said:

anangellooksdown said:

She could very well be right, that this was about him simply not eating and sleeping, on top of the drug withdrawals shr didn't know he was going through. She was not there the last few years [Edited 11/11/17 5:23am]

This is why it bugs me when people who weren’t around claim if only they had been around something wouldn’t have happened. I see this from fans on Facebook. They somehow delusionally believe they would have taken care of him and made sure he got the help he needed. As if there was something so obvious but Donna, Ida, Hannah, Josh, Liv, Damaris, etc. who were around the last few years turned a blind eye to it. Scottie Baldwin worked on some of the P&M shows including the ones at Paisley. He said he had no idea there issues and it was a complete shock to him. But all these people who weren’t there would have kept him alive if only they had been there? BS.

Some associates, e.g. Damaris, have chosen to keep information private by refusing to share details about what they knew or did not know about Prince's health issues and/or painkiller use. Then there are others, like Scottie Baldwin, who say they did not know that he was having problems. I can believe that some of his associates didn't know he was having problems because Prince was meticulous and detail-oriented about what mattered to him---his music, his appearance, his diet, his privacy, and his image, among other things. For goodness sake, the public went for almost 20 years without knowing his son's first name.

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We know that he was using painkillers. However, there still remain so many unanswered questions about why he was using painkillers and what health issues he had. I believe that his meticulous attention to detail is the reason why there are still so many unanswered questions about his painkiller use and health issues because his meticulous attention to detail allowed him to HIDE his painkiller use and health issues from some of his friends/family members/associates. We know that Kirk Johnson knew about the painkiller use because the prescriptions were in KJ's name, but we don't know how much he enabled Prince's painkiller use (was a "yes man") or how much he tried to obtain help for Prince because KJ has refused to talk.

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Having said all of that, if someone is in need of help, that person has to be willing to ADMIT that he needs help and be willing to ACCEPT the help. Even if a person is residing in a treatment facility, he has to cooperate with the treatment process in order for treatment to work. By the time that Prince was willing to admit that he needed help and sought help (e.g., from Dr. Kornfeld), it was too late.

Can his associates self-promote while talking about Prince and still feel geniune affection for the man? I hope so, because if not, poor Prince was surrounded by asses--because there have been very few folks who haven't self-promoted in the wake of his death (Susan Moonsie, Bria Valente being the few who have said nothing.)

Mumio said:

MMJas said:

Do you not think Prince was surrounded by yes men and women? I think this is one of the reasons he kept working with different people all the time. When people get close they start seeing things and questioning things and even dare to intervene.

She mentions an episode and since everyone knows how Prince died, dhe knew how her words would have been perceived. She said nothing and yet said a lot. Had the episode been the hip surgery, she probably would have said it, cause it's common knowledge now.

To me her words and wording implied that something happened, an episode as something which belongs to a greater picture. Something she was sure she and the others close at the time avoided from taking a darker turn, so it seems. I mean, how clearer can you be, when we all know he died of an overdose?

How about just come out and be specific and say what you mean since you want to talk so much (meaning her, not you MMJAS)? Not just calling it an incident but BE SPECIFIC. Because after all, like you said yourself, we know he died from a drug overdose....so why not come out and say it then???? You know why, because they use him for self-promotion. Who'd listen if Prince didn't come up in the convo? That's right, very few. Wouldn't even know her if it wasn't for her association with him.

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Mumio said:

Yeah I have no time for cryptic BS especially when someone peddling it is admonishing others for doing the same. But I was annoyed with Elisa when she had a go at Shelby for releasing her album this past April. She then attempted to walk back what she said but the damage was done.

206Michelle said:

I firmly believe there are two people who know and everyone else is guessing or making assumptions. And the two people who know are Tyka and Kirk. Tyka may choose to spill some things in her book (if it ever comes out) but I think Kirk will take what he knows to his grave.

what about meron bekure, Prince's "girlfriend" Judith HIll and the doctors involved??

rogifan said:

206Michelle said:

Some associates, e.g. Damaris, have chosen to keep information private by refusing to share details about what they knew or did not know about Prince's health issues and/or painkiller use. Then there are others, like Scottie Baldwin, who say they did not know that he was having problems. I can believe that some of his associates didn't know he was having problems because Prince was meticulous and detail-oriented about what mattered to him---his music, his appearance, his diet, his privacy, and his image, among other things. For goodness sake, the public went for almost 20 years without knowing his son's first name.

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We know that he was using painkillers. However, there still remain so many unanswered questions about why he was using painkillers and what health issues he had. I believe that his meticulous attention to detail is the reason why there are still so many unanswered questions about his painkiller use and health issues because his meticulous attention to detail allowed him to HIDE his painkiller use and health issues from some of his friends/family members/associates. We know that Kirk Johnson knew about the painkiller use because the prescriptions were in KJ's name, but we don't know how much he enabled Prince's painkiller use (was a "yes man") or how much he tried to obtain help for Prince because KJ has refused to talk.

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Having said all of that, if someone is in need of help, that person has to be willing to ADMIT that he needs help and be willing to ACCEPT the help. Even if a person is residing in a treatment facility, he has to cooperate with the treatment process in order for treatment to work. By the time that Prince was willing to admit that he needed help and sought help (e.g., from Dr. Kornfeld), it was too late.

I firmly believe there are two people who know and everyone else is guessing or making assumptions. And the two people who know are Tyka and Kirk. Tyka may choose to spill some things in her book (if it ever comes out) but I think Kirk will take what he knows to his grave.

purplerabbithole said:

Well I was just referring to his camp. I don’t think Meron & Judith knew what Kirk knew.

At about 09:50 she mentions an unreleased track co-written with Prince and Levi that she sang on, titled If U Wanna Dance.

It's not listed on Pvault and I believe it's the first time it's ever been mentioned.

rogifan said:

Rogifan, I agree with you that Kirk and Tyka know what was going on with Prince. I also agree that Tyka will likely share more about what she knew at some point, but that Kirk will not disclose what he knew.
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I also believe that Kim Berry knew what was going on with Prince’s health and painkiller use because my understanding is that she travelled with him frequently, and she was his hair stylist for 20+ years.

206Michelle said:

rogifan said:

I firmly believe there are two people who know and everyone else is guessing or making assumptions. And the two people who know are Tyka and Kirk. Tyka may choose to spill some things in her book (if it ever comes out) but I think Kirk will take what he knows to his grave.

Rogifan, I agree with you that Kirk and Tyka know what was going on with Prince. I also agree that Tyka will likely share more about what she knew at some point, but that Kirk will not disclose what he knew. . I also believe that Kim Berry knew what was going on with Prince’s health and painkiller use because my understanding is that she travelled with him frequently, and she was his hair stylist for 20+ years.

Oh I think a lot more people than Kirk, Meron, Kim and Tyka knew what was up. They all had to know.

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I’m convinced Scotty the sound guy knows pretty much everything by what he didn’t say in a podcast interview with …. forgot who.

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I think what’s happening is these people, ‘associates’ are not near retirement age, they need to work. They are doing the math…. tell all, even if it’s for money, vs keep quite and still get jobs/hired. Because if you tell all you might as well be prepared to never get hired by another star again. (Seriously how much could you get? Probably not enough to live on for a long time.)

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You certainly won’t be trusted again. Would another star let Josh and Hannah in and give them the keys to the studio if they can’t be trusted to keep quiet? I have a feeling that a lot of this ‘loyalty’ is self preservation.

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Sorry to be so cynical.

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Peace, DD55

206Michelle said:

I don’t - unless it was something incredibly obvious. Mariah Brown was his assistant (I believe she worked for him from 2013 until Oct or Nov 2015). She says she never saw Prince take pills and she never got any on his behalf. She also says he never came across as sick. Read the article below, she doesn’t sound like someone hiding anything.

https://www.cbsnews.com/n...energetic/

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rogifan said:

206Michelle said:

Rogifan, I agree with you that Kirk and Tyka know what was going on with Prince. I also agree that Tyka will likely share more about what she knew at some point, but that Kirk will not disclose what he knew. . I also believe that Kim Berry knew what was going on with Prince’s health and painkiller use because my understanding is that she travelled with him frequently, and she was his hair stylist for 20+ years.

I don’t - unless it was something incredibly obvious. Mariah Brown was his assistant (I believe she worked for him from 2013 until Oct or Nov 2015). She says she never saw Prince take pills and she never got any on his behalf. She also says he never came across as sick. Read the article below, she doesn’t sound like someone hiding anything. https://www.cbsnews.com/n...energetic/

She said it was nothing for him to work a 20 hour day and that she is her 20s and she could not keep up with him. She is very adament that something happended to him after she left.

I know there is a pic of him at that Viking game and the NBJA party and his face looks puffy and this was in the fall of 2015.

No way is someone going to be abusing pain meds and working a 20 hours.

DD55 said:

206Michelle said:

rogifan said: Rogifan, I agree with you that Kirk and Tyka know what was going on with Prince. I also agree that Tyka will likely share more about what she knew at some point, but that Kirk will not disclose what he knew. . I also believe that Kim Berry knew what was going on with Prince’s health and painkiller use because my understanding is that she travelled with him frequently, and she was his hair stylist for 20+ years.

Oh I think a lot more people than Kirk, Meron, Kim and Tyka knew what was up. They all had to know.

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I’m convinced Scotty the sound guy knows pretty much everything by what he didn’t say in a podcast interview with …. forgot who.

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I think what’s happening is these people, ‘associates’ are not near retirement age, they need to work. They are doing the math…. tell all, even if it’s for money, vs keep quite and still get jobs/hired. Because if you tell all you might as well be prepared to never get hired by another star again. (Seriously how much could you get? Probably not enough to live on for a long time.)

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You certainly won’t be trusted again. Would another star let Josh and Hannah in and give them the keys to the studio if they can’t be trusted to keep quiet? I have a feeling that a lot of this ‘loyalty’ is self preservation.

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Sorry to be so cynical.

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Peace, DD55

Scotty said he problems with joint pain doing the Musicology tour and that it gave him a lot of trouble. Prince did not do a big tour every again after Musicolgy.

laurarichardson said:

He was at a Vikings game in 2015?

laurarichardson said:

There are a couple different interviews/podcasts with Scotty. In one interview he said he left the P&M tour because of some differences with Prince but didn’t really get into details. In a more recent interview he did mention it but didn’t make it sound like anything odd just that sometimes people have creative differences. In this more recent interview he was also asked about painkillers and said he had no idea. He didn’t sound at all like he was lying or choosing to be careful with his words. He sounded like someone who was really shocked when he found out what caused Prince’s death. That tells me that at least when Scotty was around he didn’t notice anything with Prince’s demeanor or behavior that seemed off/odd. Scotty may not have been around a lot but it sounds like for the Paisley P&M shows it was just he and Prince putting that together.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

She said it was nothing for him to work a 20 hour day and that she is her 20s and she could not keep up with him. She is very adament that something happended to him after she left.

I know there is a pic of him at that Viking game and the NBJA party and his face looks puffy and this was in the fall of 2015.

No way is someone going to be abusing pain meds and working a 20 hours.

He was at a Vikings game in 2015?

Yep

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Post a pic when he looked puffy

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Is there photo out there? I’ve seen ones from other years.

Strawberrylova123 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Yep

Post a pic when he looked puffy

Let me see if I can find it. The pic was taken of him in the skybooth and another was from the National Black Journalist meeting.

Mumio said:

MMJas said:

Do you not think Prince was surrounded by yes men and women? I think this is one of the reasons he kept working with different people all the time. When people get close they start seeing things and questioning things and even dare to intervene.

She mentions an episode and since everyone knows how Prince died, dhe knew how her words would have been perceived. She said nothing and yet said a lot. Had the episode been the hip surgery, she probably would have said it, cause it's common knowledge now.

To me her words and wording implied that something happened, an episode as something which belongs to a greater picture. Something she was sure she and the others close at the time avoided from taking a darker turn, so it seems. I mean, how clearer can you be, when we all know he died of an overdose?

How about just come out and be specific and say what you mean since you want to talk so much (meaning her, not you MMJAS)? Not just calling it an incident but BE SPECIFIC. Because after all, like you said yourself, we know he died from a drug overdose....so why not come out and say it then???? You know why, because they use him for self-promotion. Who'd listen if Prince didn't come up in the convo? That's right, very few. Wouldn't even know her if it wasn't for her association with him.

Very good points. She could just say what happened since we all know what he died from and she did feel the need to let the world know they slept together.

I honestly think if some of the associates which just be honest say what they know they would look less ridculous.

laurarichardson said:

Or they could just follow Shelby’s lead and not spill any tea.

Elisa said on FB that P was experiencing withdrawal symptoms around 2010, she said she'll elaborate more when she feels like it

Strawberrylova123 said:

Was this on her personal FB account? Why say anything at all if she’s not ready to discuss it? Or better yet how about not spilling any tea if it doesn’t do anything but upset people?

rogifan said:

Yeah it was on her personal fb, i personally don't need details but obviously his fans do if they didn't we wouldn't have multiple threads about this subject. I'm happy thats shes straightforward and not vauge towards his fans

Strawberrylova123 said:

Elisa said on FB that P was experiencing withdrawal symptoms around 2010, she said she'll elaborate more when she feels like it

Well thanks for that strawberrylova123, appreciate the info.

If Elisa is lucky, we'll be paying attention to her still. Or maybe not.

Mumio said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

I don’t need details on any of this. Personally I wish they’d all adopt Shelby’s won’t spill any tea. Also saying you’ll elaborate more when you feel like it isn’t being straightforward. If she really did respect P she’d respect his privacy.