laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

Come a butterfly straight on your skin.

Sheila is known for butterflies.

Yes, she said in her book that Santana called her the "Black Butterfly" I think it is her nick name.

Can't we see Prince writing a song to a girlfriend that is coded so only the two of them know what it is about?

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yep and didn't her recent tattoo have symbol and butterfly?

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, she said in her book that Santana called her the "Black Butterfly" I think it is her nick name.

Can't we see Prince writing a song to a girlfriend that is coded so only the two of them know what it is about?

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yep and didn't her recent tattoo have symbol and butterfly?

Yes, she had a butterfly interlocked with the symbol. Which some fans thought she was trying to steal his symbol instead of her really projecting that they were interwoven.

laurarichardson said:

purplefam99 said:

yep and didn't her recent tattoo have symbol and butterfly?

Yes, she had a butterfly interlocked with the symbol. Which some fans thought she was trying to steal his symbol instead of her really projecting that they were interwoven.

C'mon. Prince symbol is his and his alone....Nobody outside of the Estate should be able to use it.

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PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, she had a butterfly interlocked with the symbol. Which some fans thought she was trying to steal his symbol instead of her really projecting that they were interwoven.

C'mon. Prince symbol is his and his alone....Nobody outside of the Estate should be able to use it.

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PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, she had a butterfly interlocked with the symbol. Which some fans thought she was trying to steal his symbol instead of her really projecting that they were interwoven.

C'mon. Prince symbol is his and his alone....Nobody outside of the Estate should be able to use it.

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hmmm i didnt think of tattoo as copyright infringement, but i guess it qualifies. i give anyone

who worked with him a pass on a tattoo. it's better suited on Shelia than say one of his sibs. Tyka being the exception. IMO. How do you feel about people wearing the symbol jewelry, in regards to

it being his and his alone?

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purplefam99 said:

PennyPurple said:

C'mon. Prince symbol is his and his alone....Nobody outside of the Estate should be able to use it.

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hmmm i didnt think of tattoo as copyright infringement, but i guess it qualifies. i give anyone

who worked with him a pass on a tattoo. it's better suited on Shelia than say one of his sibs. Tyka being the exception. IMO. How do you feel about people wearing the symbol jewelry, in regards to

it being his and his alone?

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It is very different when people buy symbol jewelry or apparel, especially if it is from Paisley Park or an Estate-sanctioned business. It was quite another thing entirely when Sheila rolled out a complete merchandise line of T-shirts with Prince's Love Symbol on them. It seems to me, unless she worked out a deal with the Estate to do so, that is/was copyright infringement.

purplefam99 said:

PennyPurple said:

C'mon. Prince symbol is his and his alone....Nobody outside of the Estate should be able to use it.

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hmmm i didnt think of tattoo as copyright infringement, but i guess it qualifies. i give anyone

who worked with him a pass on a tattoo. it's better suited on Shelia than say one of his sibs. Tyka being the exception. IMO. How do you feel about people wearing the symbol jewelry, in regards to

it being his and his alone?

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It's not just that tatt. It's on the drums and other things too.

FlyOnTheWall said:

It is very different when people buy symbol jewelry or apparel, especially if it is from Paisley Park or an Estate-sanctioned business. It was quite another thing entirely when Sheila rolled out a complete merchandise line of T-shirts with Prince's Love Symbol on them. It seems to me, unless she worked out a deal with the Estate to do so, that is/was copyright infringement.

Yep.

FlyOnTheWall said:

This is possible. Also, knowing Prince as we do today, he could have perhaps kept this completely quiet and been present in some fashion. However something inside me tells me he had no living children.

FlyOnTheWall said:

I’m ok with the tattoo cause they aren’t making making money off it.
I would feel weird wearing his symbol but that is just me, I know others who do it
But I feel odd about it. If she is selling drums with that then no go. But if it is her art and the symbol I see it as her doing her part to recall him and maintain legacy.

anangellooksdown said:

That seems highly improbable that would mean he never had condom failure or the partner was always on birth control. Thoughts?

laurarichardson said:

Santana actually called her cho cho san which means butterfly in Japanese

Don't you all remember stories about P sometimes preferring to watch or getting off on women putting on their makeup or taking baths. Don't you all remember Susan Rogers stating that P's sex life was exagerrated. SOmetimes, I think she is right that stories about his rate of consummation are exagerrated. Also, maybe, P couldn't have kids all that easily. But considering P's reputation as the ultimate womanizer, his tendency to date his employees or ambitious women in the industry and his occassional relationships with barely legal women, it is a pleasant surprise that no sexual harrassment accusations were ever thrown at him [knock on wood--that nothing comes out now] (maybe because consummation rates are exagerrated and sometimes flirtation and emotional infidelity was more often the reality.)

purplefam99 said:

anangellooksdown said:

This is possible. Also, knowing Prince as we do today, he could have perhaps kept this completely quiet and been present in some fashion. However something inside me tells me he had no living children.

That seems highly improbable that would mean he never had condom failure or the partner was always on birth control. Thoughts?

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purplerabbithole said:

I hear ya but let’s just say P had sex once a week even if it wasn’t a ton of different people and it was his regular ladies that is still 52 possible times of a potential sperm and egg meet up. Seems probable that he has a kid somewhere.
And really how does Susan really really know, has she detailed how she really knows did he invite her in to watch the bathing too, so she knows how it ended. I hear ya but I am skeptical.

purplefam99 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Don't you all remember stories about P sometimes preferring to watch or getting off on women putting on their makeup or taking baths. Don't you all remember Susan Rogers stating that P's sex life was exagerrated. SOmetimes, I think she is right that stories about his rate of consummation are exagerrated. Also, maybe, P couldn't have kids all that easily. But considering P's reputation as the ultimate womanizer, his tendency to date his employees or ambitious women in the industry and his occassional relationships with barely legal women, it is a pleasant surprise that no sexual harrassment accusations were ever thrown at him [knock on wood--that nothing comes out now] (maybe because consummation rates are exagerrated and sometimes flirtation and emotional infidelity was more often the reality.)

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I hear ya but let’s just say P had sex once a week even if it wasn’t a ton of different people and it was his regular ladies that is still 52 possible times of a potential sperm and egg meet up. Seems probable that he has a kid somewhere. And really how does Susan really really know, has she detailed how she really knows did he invite her in to watch the bathing too, so she knows how it ended. I hear ya but I am skeptical.

And it is also possible he may have had male factor infertility

purplefam99 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Don't you all remember stories about P sometimes preferring to watch or getting off on women putting on their makeup or taking baths. Don't you all remember Susan Rogers stating that P's sex life was exagerrated. SOmetimes, I think she is right that stories about his rate of consummation are exagerrated. Also, maybe, P couldn't have kids all that easily. But considering P's reputation as the ultimate womanizer, his tendency to date his employees or ambitious women in the industry and his occassional relationships with barely legal women, it is a pleasant surprise that no sexual harrassment accusations were ever thrown at him [knock on wood--that nothing comes out now] (maybe because consummation rates are exagerrated and sometimes flirtation and emotional infidelity was more often the reality.)

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I hear ya but let’s just say P had sex once a week even if it wasn’t a ton of different people and it was his regular ladies that is still 52 possible times of a potential sperm and egg meet up. Seems probable that he has a kid somewhere. And really how does Susan really really know, has she detailed how she really knows did he invite her in to watch the bathing too, so she knows how it ended. I hear ya but I am skeptical.

I think Susan Rogers should stick to her recollections of the sound and engineering piece. I have read her reflections on how she had to work around the clock during the four years she was with Prince, as did he. I guess in that sense, he didn't have very much time for orgies...but I think he made up for lost time when the urge hit him. In other words, I think he played as hard as he worked.

Otherwise, the comments you have mentioned strike me as very odd coming from her. Is she actually the source of the reports about him getting off on watching women put on makeup and bathing??? I mean, how could one know something like this unless one was a participant? Do you know what I mean? Did he watch her bathe and/or put on makeup, without actual intercourse?

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FlyOnTheWall said:

What i don't understand is why does it bother people that prince had many girlfriends?? Like seriously though..he promoted sex! Also the notion that prince was a womanizer isn't exaggerated there are many source's that said he was, like it or not it's the truth.

Sheila e
Mayte
Jill jones
Alan leeds
Cat
Robin power
Devin devasquez
Wendy and lisa
Anna fantastic
Melina
All of them have said the same thing about him, so all of them are lying

Womanizers don't necessarily stick their dick in every woman they are attracted to or are working with... Why are people acting like I am offended because I am not going to assume that every female he had a working relationships or a fondness for spread her legs for him. Sometimes it was probably just flirting. Hell, he didn't even like groupies according to Dez Dickerson.

That being said, I am not saying he didn't have a lot of girlfriends. I am saying he didn't put up Wilt Chamberlain numbers...more like Warren Beatty numbers. Some of you folks saying that I should believe Cat seem irritated that Susan said his reputation was exagerrated. the dude was working constantly (music ate into his day and his social life quite a bit.) --what Susan said makes lots of sense.

Strawberrylova123 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I think Susan Rogers should stick to her recollections of the sound and engineering piece. I have read her reflections on how she had to work around the clock during the four years she was with Prince, as did he. I guess in that sense, he didn't have very much time for orgies...but I think he made up for lost time when the urge hit him. In other words, I think he played as hard as he worked.

Otherwise, the comments you have mentioned strike me as very odd coming from her. Is she actually the source of the reports about him getting off on watching women put on makeup and bathing??? I mean, how could one know something like this unless one was a participant? Do you know what I mean? Did he watch her bathe and/or put on makeup, without actual intercourse?

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What i don't understand is why does it bother people that prince had many girlfriends?? Like seriously though..he promoted sex! Also the notion that prince was a womanizer isn't exaggerated there are many source's that said he was, like it or not it's the truth. Sheila e Mayte Jill jones Alan leeds Cat Robin power Devin devasquez Wendy and lisa Anna fantastic Melina All of them have said the same thing about him, so all of them are lying

No, the source was not Susan for that later part of what I said. It was some of his girlfriends. Prince was a womanizer but his rep is still a bit exagerrated. The reality might be that he fucked 50% of the women he worked with (and he worked with a lot of women). He still qualifies as a womanizer with a long list of conquests. I am just saying its probably not 90% because a.) women have a mind of their own and b.) Prince was not as much of a predator as some make him out to be... (IMO.)

FlyOnTheWall said:

purplefam99 said:

purplerabbithole said: I hear ya but let’s just say P had sex once a week even if it wasn’t a ton of different people and it was his regular ladies that is still 52 possible times of a potential sperm and egg meet up. Seems probable that he has a kid somewhere. And really how does Susan really really know, has she detailed how she really knows did he invite her in to watch the bathing too, so she knows how it ended. I hear ya but I am skeptical.

I think Susan Rogers should stick to her recollections of the sound and engineering piece. I have read her reflections on how she had to work around the clock during the four years she was with Prince, as did he. I guess in that sense, he didn't have very much time for orgies...but I think he made up for lost time when the urge hit him. In other words, I think he played as hard as he worked.

actual intercourse?

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purplerabbithole said:

No, the source was not Susan for that later part of what I said. It was some of his girlfriends. Prince was a womanizer but his rep is still a bit exagerrated. The reality might be that he fucked 50% of the women he worked with (and he worked with a lot of women). He still qualifies as a womanizer with a long list of conquests. I am just saying its probably not 90% because a.) women have a mind of their own and b.) Prince was not as much of a predator as some make him out to be... (IMO.)

FlyOnTheWall said:

I think Susan Rogers should stick to her recollections of the sound and engineering piece. I have read her reflections on how she had to work around the clock during the four years she was with Prince, as did he. I guess in that sense, he didn't have very much time for orgies...but I think he made up for lost time when the urge hit him. In other words, I think he played as hard as he worked.

actual intercourse?

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I don't recall any reports of him being a "predator." Being a womanizer and a predator is not the same thing. We have to be careful with such labels, especially during a time when new sexual harassment and assault charges are being leveled almost daily in the entertainment world, many of which allegedly happened years ago.

And, for what it's worth, with what we know about Prince's work ethic and his level of productivity, one can't help but wonder how much time he really had for relaxing activities, sex or otherwise. Still, I believe he found a way to, well, get it in, as they say... a LOT. Let's just say that, when it came to sex, I think it was feast or famine with P.

Lastly, for the record, I believe that Prince has at least two adult children, a son and a daughter...by the same woman. That is all.

PennyPurple said:

So since Prince is gone we should never see another symbol again. It was his and his alone. Really? How many hundreds of fans have tats? What about people who do cakes, cookies, fingernails,stickers, paintings, could be so many things. But no. Let's not promote his legacy whatsoever.

Leopard52 said:

PennyPurple said:

Yep.

So since Prince is gone we should never see another symbol again. It was his and his alone. Really? How many hundreds of fans have tats? What about people who do cakes, cookies, fingernails,stickers, paintings, could be so many things. But no. Let's not promote his legacy whatsoever.

I think yours are extreme examples. Let's try not to cloud the issue. I don't think I've read where anyone has a problem with Sheila's (or anyone else's) Love Symbol tattoo(s). Nor do I think Prince's Estate would begrudge culinary or salon artists who do small artwork for fams. What Sheila did with her T-shirt line, however, is totally different. And, maybe the Estate granted approval for her use of its likeness. If they did not, something on that scale would probably be considered copyright infringement.

Maybe they better get a good lawyer and come forward, or they will inherit nothing. Now wouldn't that be the shits for the siblings?

FlyOnTheWall said:

I don't recall any reports of him being a "predator." Being a womanizer and a predator is not the same thing. We have to be careful with such labels, especially during a time when new sexual harassment and assault charges are being leveled almost daily in the entertainment world, many of which allegedly happened years ago.

And, for what it's worth, with what we know about Prince's work ethic and his level of productivity, one can't help but wonder how much time he really had for relaxing activities, sex or otherwise. Still, I believe he found a way to, well, get it in, as they say... a LOT. Let's just say that, when it came to sex, I think it was feast or famine with P.

Lastly, for the record, I believe that Prince has at least two adult children, a son and a daughter...by the same woman. That is all.

Leopard52 said:

PennyPurple said:

Yep.

So since Prince is gone we should never see another symbol again. It was his and his alone. Really? How many hundreds of fans have tats? What about people who do cakes, cookies, fingernails,stickers, paintings, could be so many things. But no. Let's not promote his legacy whatsoever.

Oh, stop it. You have misconstrued what is being said.

PennyPurple said:

I guess I could see why a mother would start a possible cursin storm of a rant, she is mama bear and upset for her young. She wants people who know somethings to do right?? And 2!!! That implies a commitment. Imo
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No wonder she went virtually underground. Weren’t there years of radio silence?
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Strawberrylova123 said:

laurarichardson said:

Do really need to have that explained. They were seeing each other and they were not just looking each other in the face.

----

"Glam Slam"

This thing we got - it's alive!
It seems 2 transcend the physical
One touch and I'm satisfied
Must be a dream it's so magical

Glam Slam thank U ma'am
U really make my day
Glam Slam thank U ma'am
I pray U always stay

I know I hold U 2 tight
But I just can't seem 2 get close enough (I want to hold U)
I want 2 hold U every night
I'm so horny and U're the star

Glam Slam thank U ma'am
U really make my day
Glam Slam thank U ma'am
I pray U always stay

Heavy feather, flicka nipple
Baby scam water ripple
I don't understand
It means I love U
Come a butterfly straight on your skin
U go 4 me and I come again
Glam Slam, thank U ma'am
Sun is risen, moon is gone
Soda fizzin' on the lawn
Come a butterfly straight on your skin
Glam Slam

Glam Slam, thank U ma'am
U really make my day

This thing we got - it's alive!
It seems 2 transcend the physical
One touch and I'm satisfied (ooh, baby)
Must be a dream it's so magical

Glam Slam thank U ma'am
U really make my day
Glam Slam thank U ma'am
I pray U always stay

Glam Slam
U will always stay
U will always stay

It's all right, it's OK

I already know they were seeing each other but i always interpreted the song as a spiritual one not physical one

'Soda fizzin' on the lawn' is about as physical as you can get...Bless P - sometimes his metaphors were really quite eye-watering, lol! He really did have a thing about using his food imagery, didn't he? (Mashed potato, anyone? )!

laurarichardson said:

Yeah. He did that all the time.
You can take it as physical al and spiritual.
I see different cues of this song being about Sheila, as bolded below:

GLAM SLAM

This thing we got, it's alive!
It seems to transcend the physical
One touch and I'm satisfied
Must be a dream it's so magical

Glam Slam thank you ma'am
You really make my day
Glam Slam thank you ma'am
I pray you always stay

I know I hold you too tight
But I just can't seem to get close enough (I want to hold you)
I want to hold you every night
I'm so horny and you're the stuff

Glam Slam thank you ma'am
You really make my day
Glam Slam thank you ma'am
I pray you always stay

Heavy feather, flicka nipple
Baby scam water ripple
I don't understand
It means I love you
Come a butterfly straight on your skin
You go for me and I come again
Glam Slam, thank you ma'am
Sun is risen, moon is gone
Soda fizzin' on the lawn
Come a butterfly straight on your skin
Glam Slam

Glam Slam, thank you ma'am
You really make my day

This thing we got, it's alive!
It seems to transcend the physical
One touch and I'm satisfied (ooh, baby)
Must be a dream it's so magical

Glam Slam thank you ma'am
You really make my day
Glam Slam thank you ma'am
I pray you always stay

Glam Slam
You will always stay
You will always stay

It's all right, it's OK

PennyPurple said:

Agreed. Way too presumptuous to use it, even in combination with her own "symbol". It would be nice to just have her own.
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purplefam99 said:

Didn't Sheila say he had to have sex every single day?
It was said there was a constant aura of sex around all the time.
I do think that changed later on in a way.