Yewdale said:

I actually think his fans have more of a claim ,if I can find a term, than Tyka.
Prince spent his while life projecting out and creating his own world.
I think his family,however much he helped them,are the least of this

God,all they ever did was drag him down.

jcurley said:

Yewdale said:

I want to say that I've been shocked at the Tyka bashing on this site over the past 18 months or so.... but of course, some people needed a replacement for Prince, who was bashed on this site routinely over its entire existence by his 'fans'. Like many before him, Prince has become some kind of Godlike figure to worship in death (and of course to speculate about in rambling, nonsensical, conspiratorial ways), so now we get to bad-mouth his family instead, as it's poor manners to speak ill of the dead.

For those who want to pour over every comment, in every interview and statement Tyka has given, try recording every last comment of your own over a 12 month period, and see just how many times YOU change details of the same story, over and over again... often during the same conversation, let alone over the course of the same day, week or month. See how many times you contradict yourself, and then once you realise you are far from the perfect human being yourself.... allow others the opportunity to be imperfect too.... especially those thrust in to the limelight, having seen their whole lives change immeasurably during that time.

Fortunately, like her late brother before her, I imagine that Tyka doesn't give a rats ass about what any complete stranger on some website thinks of her or her 'claims.' She's got the keys to Paisley Park on her hip..... and we all have to pay and get in line to step foot on her property (not that I have the slightest interest in going there personally). I think that's 1-0 Tyka.

I actually think his fans have more of a claim ,if I can find a term, than Tyka. Prince spent his while life projecting out and creating his own world. I think his family,however much he helped them,are the least of this God,all they ever did was drag him down.

We obviously completely disagree on this subject, but what's cool is how politely you've made your point and maintained it as an opinion, rather than projecting it as fact. That's all we've got really, opinions. Respect.

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

peppeken said: Okay, just a question, why is it that this is taken as a fact, but the drug addiction is not? I don't give a fuck what Tyka said, 'cause with what she told US in that Interviews, it just sounds like she is projecting. I'm curious, why can some people wrap their heads around the cancer Theorie, but not around the drug thing? Why? Would they see him as a hypocrite? Is it easier to take when he was sick? It wouldn't change a thing, he still died of an overdose!

Tyka and no one else for that matter has said he was not dependent on pain killers. I do not know to many people who plan to overdose and die years in advance. In fact most drug addicts want to live to get more drugs and you realize that Prince could afford the best and if need be the best care to get off of them. No reason for him to plan to die because of drugs.

People do know always know the exact time they are going to die if they have a terminal illness and they can decide if they want to check out or not.

If you take the time to listen to the longer interview she said that he sent her a picture and a song and she knew then that he was going to die. She is not projecting her wish for him to die she is telling us he told her he was going to die via his music.

Also I am sure they must have had a follow up conversation because she worked for him for 4 years.

Sometimes you have to think a little bit and realize that if he left her task to complete and she continued to communicate with him she obvisously knew he was ill and going to die.

When people are ill they do have a tendency to take pain meds. Who really cares if they become addicted? The idea is for them to be comfortable in their last time on this earth.

Afro wig, pain meds, and associates saying "we do not know the whole story" would equal cancer.

Also realize some people consider some cancers to be embarassing.

Is it known it was a wig or is it speculated it was a wig ?

PennyPurple said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I've posted two longists with side efdect and withdrawal symptoms, she didn't read it. And there she could read everything that Prince had as a Symptom. Including the liver damage Laura claims to be from another illness.

I think Laura is quite aware of the side effects and withdrawal symptoms. This has been discussed here ever since P died. I believe, that Laura has claimed liver damage from the very beginning from the drugs, now other things have also came to light and things are being put together. Of course all we can do is guess, because nobody is saying anything, but Tyka is slowly letting things out.

I like Tyka, I think you are too hard on her. I will say that I think they were closer then you think, all they had was each other growing up, and they didn't grow up in the best conditions. I also think that he guided Tyka to every step that needed to be taken after he passed. She knew his wishes.

So why was there no will then ???

PennyPurple said:

leecaldon said:

He didn't have any proper estate planning, and he didn't leave a will (which would have also saved a lot of money in taxes). The siblings that you say he didn't want to have a say are now the beneficiaries of the estate. Those close to him have been left nothing. None of this indicates that Prince knew his death was imminent. At all.

Ummm...where did I say that in the above quote?? Who was close to him, that has been left nothing? Why does he have to leave something to people who are close to him? Nobody is guaranteed anything in this life or the next.

You said that the reason for not having will was because the siblings would have contested it. Which suggests you think they wouldn't have been in the will.

Bascially, your arguments don't make any sense.

jcurley said:

Menes said:

Well , people can, and have pre determined, death by suicide, more specifically, by taking a pill to end it. Some of the most infmaous Nazi leaders pre-arranged the event( to die by cyanide poison) long before the actual act took place.

That would make sense. I take a lot of meds for historical cancer and they monitor my liver function to the enth. Princes was probably hammered

Yeah, the Nazi leaders used pills as they did not want to be captured by the allies and stand on show triala for an inevitable painful execution by hanging, particularly if captured by the Russians who would have tortured them also.

I don't think there was any suicide motive in Prince's death, where they found him in the lift would not be how he wanted to go I'm sure, if you were taking pills to end it all, you would be in a comfortable private place, like a bedroom, being in a lift makes it feel like it's something that happened quickly and unexpected, very similar to what happened to him a few days earlier on the plane when he passed out, on that occassion he was lucky to have people with him at the time who got him emergency treatment to save him.

leecaldon said:

PennyPurple said:

Ummm...where did I say that in the above quote?? Who was close to him, that has been left nothing? Why does he have to leave something to people who are close to him? Nobody is guaranteed anything in this life or the next.

You said that the reason for not having will was because the siblings would have contested it. Which suggests you think they wouldn't have been in the will.

Bascially, your arguments don't make any sense.

NO, you are projecting. Those siblings will and are contesting everything. I never said they wouldn't have been in the will.

My argument doesn't make sense to you, because you are projecting my words, into something they are not.

PennyPurple said:

leecaldon said:

You said that the reason for not having will was because the siblings would have contested it. Which suggests you think they wouldn't have been in the will.

Bascially, your arguments don't make any sense.

NO, you are projecting. Those siblings will and are contesting everything. I never said they wouldn't have been in the will.

My argument doesn't make sense to you, because you are projecting my words, into something they are not.

Ok, so why do you believe there was no will or estate planning?

Well, these are my thoughts. My son was addicted to pain killers for about 4 years, and he got extremely thin, and he was a healthy man in his twenties. So, I believe that was happening to Prince when he was trying to manage his pain. You don't have to have a fatal illness (like cancer) for the opiates to do that to you. You forget to eat, and food does not taste the same anyway.

As far as his family members saying all sorts of crazy things, we gotta remember, you see that all the time. There is one excellent person in a family with all sorts of talent, but it stayed there. The others (even full siblings) got the same genes, just in a different order and it just produced an average person. Being Prince must have felt much like after you win a huge lottery; all your family just wants a piece of you. Once he was gone, it just gets worse. At least we had him for a season......

leecaldon said:

PennyPurple said:

NO, you are projecting. Those siblings will and are contesting everything. I never said they wouldn't have been in the will.

My argument doesn't make sense to you, because you are projecting my words, into something they are not.

Ok, so why do you believe there was no will or estate planning?

Because he didn't want a will. He did do some estate planning with his music.

jcurley said:

Ouch, awful thing to say.

PennyPurple said:

leecaldon said:

Ok, so why do you believe there was no will or estate planning?

Because he didn't want a will. He did do some estate planning with his music.

So, firstly, you believe that someone who was incredibly controlling of his legacy during his life, didn't want to lock down his legacy after he died by drawing up a will, in the knowledge of the fact that his time was nearly up?

What estate planning did he do? Because every decision that is being made on his legacy right can completely ignore any of his wishes.

leecaldon said:

PennyPurple said:

Because he didn't want a will. He did do some estate planning with his music.

So, firstly, you believe that someone who was incredibly controlling of his legacy during his life, didn't want to lock down his legacy after he died by drawing up a will, in the knowledge of the fact that his time was nearly up?

What estate planning did he do? Because every decision that is being made on his legacy right can completely ignore any of his wishes.

This has been discussed many, many times here. I'm tired of explaining it to each person. If you want answers to your questions, visit the Estate thread 1-11, it's all hashed out there. And you can get answers to your questions in that thread.

leecaldon said:

And perhaps he wasn’t finished estate planning cause he wasn’t planning on taking too much pain meds. Perhaps.

PennyPurple said:

leecaldon said:

So, firstly, you believe that someone who was incredibly controlling of his legacy during his life, didn't want to lock down his legacy after he died by drawing up a will, in the knowledge of the fact that his time was nearly up?

What estate planning did he do? Because every decision that is being made on his legacy right can completely ignore any of his wishes.

This has been discussed many, many times here. I'm tired of explaining it to each person. If you want answers to your questions, visit the Estate thread 1-11, it's all hashed out there. And you can get answers to your questions in that thread.

leecaldon said:

He had proper estate planning to suit his purpose. He had contracts with WB, Tidal and an LLC for his music. All of which are still in place. The soundtracks are licensed out to WB forever how much more planning can you do beyond forever. I bet he even told Tyka when to start putting the whole story out.
Wills do not stop taxes so please get that out if your head. Trust help with taxes and we the public will never no if he had one or not. Prince was the executor of his dad’s estate and his dad did not have a will do he knew the court would disburse the money to his sibs and he knew a court would stop them from doing dumbass stuff for a while.

Mumio said:

Lol, so true

purplefam99 said:

TurnItUp said:

Two, three, ten, what difference does it make. He told us in a 2-3 year time window that he was leaving us on ArtOfficial Age. We just didn't read between the lines or want to accept it.

Like I argued with many others that's his sister/family whether they were close or not. I'll admit I dogged Tyka's looks when I first saw her in years back in the recording studio here on the org and some orgers got on my case saying Prince wouldn't appreciate me talking about his sister like that and they were RIGHT and he wouldn't appreciate you haters attacking her. Even if he was private and he wouldn't do what Tyka and others do when he was alive, he would not want you being the one talking in his defense especially his family. CLOSE OR NOT THEY ARE STILL HIS FAMILY!

yes, and thank you for shouting it!!!!!

And I will keep shouting!!!

oscarchristio777 said:

PennyPurple said:

I think Laura is quite aware of the side effects and withdrawal symptoms. This has been discussed here ever since P died. I believe, that Laura has claimed liver damage from the very beginning from the drugs, now other things have also came to light and things are being put together. Of course all we can do is guess, because nobody is saying anything, but Tyka is slowly letting things out.

I like Tyka, I think you are too hard on her. I will say that I think they were closer then you think, all they had was each other growing up, and they didn't grow up in the best conditions. I also think that he guided Tyka to every step that needed to be taken after he passed. She knew his wishes.

So why was there no will then ???

I will always believe it was because he didn't have living children. If he had children like Michael did or if his father was still living then he would've had one.

laurarichardson said:

leecaldon said:

He didn't have any proper estate planning, and he didn't leave a will (which would have also saved a lot of money in taxes). The siblings that you say he didn't want to have a say are now the beneficiaries of the estate. Those close to him have been left nothing. None of this indicates that Prince knew his death was imminent. At all.

He had proper estate planning to suit his purpose. He had contracts with WB, Tidal and an LLC for his music. All of which are still in place. The soundtracks are licensed out to WB forever how much more planning can you do beyond forever. I bet he even told Tyka when to start putting the whole story out. Wills do not stop taxes so please get that out if your head. Trust help with taxes and we the public will never no if he had one or not. Prince was the executor of his dad’s estate and his dad did not have a will do he knew the court would disburse the money to his sibs and he knew a court would stop them from doing dumbass stuff for a while.

The Tidal sitation is a pefect example of how nothing was really planned. The situation of music streaming for Prince's music has changed completely since he died.

leecaldon said:

—No, that is not true. Hit and Run was avalible in I-Tunes before Prince away. His issue was the amount of revenue that streaming platforms like Sportify payout. We have no idea what sort of deal the estate made with Sportify but due to Prince himself putting Hit and Run on I-Tunes I doubt he would have stayed off of Sportify forever. Wills do not eliminate contracts and recent court docs appear to show that Comerica is trying to settle with Tidal. One of the things Tidal claims is that Prince gave someone POA to sign documents on his behalf which would tell you he was having some health trouble and he was planning on having someone handle his affairs with Tidal behalf.

laurarichardson said:

. One of the things Tidal claims is that Prince gave someone POA to sign documents on his behalf which would tell you he was having some health trouble and he was planning on having someone handle his affairs with Tidal behalf.

Or that he was busy, rich, famous and didn't need to be dealing with day to day minutiae.

TheEnglishGent said:

laurarichardson said:

. One of the things Tidal claims is that Prince gave someone POA to sign documents on his behalf which would tell you he was having some health trouble and he was planning on having someone handle his affairs with Tidal behalf.

Or that he was busy, rich, famous and didn't need to be dealing with day to day minutiae.

Although he often did

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CherryMoon57 said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Or that he was busy, rich, famous and didn't need to be dealing with day to day minutiae.

Although he often did

Yes you're right, he was clearly about the details. Maybe I should have written that he didn't need to be involved with the mundane finalising of things. I have no doubt he actually set the details of the Tidal deal, he just didnt need to deal with seeing it through the legal process.

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feeluupp said:

She's dellusional... Can see why from her past problems Prince obviously distanced himself from her... Kind of like ok I'll help you financially but just keep a distance.

Harsh but true... How many times did Tyka see Prince personally in the last 10 years??

She was present in 2015 I saw her sitting backstage with him so.....

TheEnglishGent said:

laurarichardson said:

. One of the things Tidal claims is that Prince gave someone POA to sign documents on his behalf which would tell you he was having some health trouble and he was planning on having someone handle his affairs with Tidal behalf.

Or that he was busy, rich, famous and didn't need to be dealing with day to day minutiae.

That was his music and his money. I do not see him giving someone else authority over a business deal unless something was wrong. He was very detail oriented. He even hired the guys that cleaned Paisely Park himself.

paisleypark4 said:

feeluupp said:

She's dellusional... Can see why from her past problems Prince obviously distanced himself from her... Kind of like ok I'll help you financially but just keep a distance.

Harsh but true... How many times did Tyka see Prince personally in the last 10 years??

She was present in 2015 I saw her sitting backstage with him so.....

I don't know why people are having such a hard time dealing with the fact that he was close with Tyka.

leecaldon said:

PennyPurple said:

Ummm...where did I say that in the above quote?? Who was close to him, that has been left nothing? Why does he have to leave something to people who are close to him? Nobody is guaranteed anything in this life or the next.

You said that the reason for not having will was because the siblings would have contested it. Which suggests you think they wouldn't have been in the will.

Bascially, your arguments don't make any sense.

No, if they were in it they would have contested because they would have not been happy with the money they received and people can contest wills when they are left out.

It happens all the time. JBs children were left nothing and they have done nothing but throw lawsuits at the estate for 10 years.