laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

Nuernberg72 said:

luvsexy4all said: Everyone who saw Prince between 2004 and 2012 saw a super healthy and young man! I would say he looked almost too young! that's not what an addict looks like! and suddenly from 2013 you can see the addiction? he was just seriously ill and not addicted!

Anyone with a lick of sense in their head would know that pain pills are not going to make your skin look yellow and make you lose muscle definition. I think he was seriously ill and took those pills because he was in some awful pain.

I agreee Laura. If people could not see the deterioration of this beautiful man, then they are in big huge denial.

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

Constant vomiting and craping are a part of withdrawals. Even the chef said that he did not start asking for soups and smoothies until January. They also said he complained about his stomach hurting. So something was going on with this stomach.

YES BECAUSE THE PROBLEM WAS PROBABLY AT HIS HEIGHT FROM JANUARY TO APRIL WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO GET?? HE HAD FLU LIKE SYMPTOMS AND THEY CAME FROM THE WITHDRAW! EDIT: And he also took Zofran, that tells me that he at least vomited a lot, remember that they said he wouldn't keep his food down. That's also a Symptom of an addiction. [Edited 11/2/17 11:44am]

It is also a problem that can occur with loads of other medical issues. You want to make all of Prince's problems about drugs and place him as a victim of the epidimic. I am saying what came first the

the medical problem or the pain pills?

I think there is more to the story then pain pill addiction because trust me people would be very willing to blab about Prince's drug induced behavioir if he was just on drugs for no real reason or even if it were just joint pain.

No one plans their overdose and goes to trouble of practically shutting down their organization to the bare bones because of a drug addiction because if that were the case we would not even have an entertainment industry.

Believe what you want to truth is going to come out. Just be prepared

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

PennyPurple said:

It's harder for some to grasp the drug addict theory because Prince supposedly hated drugs and lived a clean lifestyle. He was never a trouble maker, never a scandal, never in jail (that I know of or remember hearing about). I think one of the biggest newsmakers was when he was suing WB, wore slave on his face and changed to the symbol.

You have to admit, he didn't party hard.

He wasn't an addict in the traditional way, yes, but all we've Seen in pictures could've been the result of opiot addiction, it doesn't have to be cancer. And I refuse to believe what Tyka said until she says more than that cryptic psycho powers crap.

[edito]

well, at least ur true to yourself. Maybe the book IS to garner money. He supposedly wanted them to oversee a school etc... maybe she'll get "estate approval" and release some of the memoir with the book. who knows?


But disregarding "gut feelings/INFERENCES that happen" is pretty myopic... They knew each other, they were family.

Yes, it might baffle people, but countless family members of varieties have seen or had premonitions when or before someone's about to die. It might even be the fact that the request could have been so bizarre that it struck a disonant note. She tells the story that "she pieced it together/put two and two together" after the "I've done what I came to do" statement (which could have simply been taken as satisfaction with his actions)

It's a context. If some grumblepuss asshole you've known at work for YEARS AND YEARS suddenly starts behaving very differently, you'd suspect something. Maybe a girlfriend, a hooker, drugs, or showing up to work high... who knows...

It just happens that whatever was exchanged in her words truly meant that he was biding his time and saying a goodbye.

AOA has more than just subtlety. For goddsakes....P is even Up in the Clouds on the cover.

U never know. She's closer to it. She prob knows better than most.

As many people on here will probably attest to; they've seen or had family who have seen and had premonitions. Some cultures don't care to regard any of that.

science even approximates proof of ESP in the animal and plant kingdoms.

Heck, I used to have a "connection" to a certain girl in my life, I used to know when she was thinking about me or thinking of calling me. I'd get that feeling someone was in the room with me, and sure enough...as soon as I had my footing (i'm always on the go) or got off stage (gigs) or stopped the car after driving home....etc... as soon as that happened, the phone would ring.

We're not all unconscious beings

I never saw any ghosts, but I've had good and bad omens in my life.... before major accidents and deaths.... and Tyka doesn't even refer to anything stretching out like that here either... people on this board ought to just chill and wait if they care about it. Expressing anger or frustration about her isn't going to generate anything.

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2045RadicalMattZ said:

laurarichardson said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

laurarichardson said: The warrent stated that he had withdraw symptoms, remember that they said he had the flu? Runny nose, throat problems and Stomach pain are symptoms of withdraws too. They didn't talk about the symptoms you just stated.

Constant vomiting and craping are a part of withdrawals. Even the chef said that he did not start asking for soups and smoothies until January. They also said he complained about his stomach hurting. So something was going on with this stomach.

Sounds like Laura has no idea of a person's condition who is addicted. Plus, you can't measure Prince by normal standards. He preferred not to stop performing when he had to. I understand it's difficult to understand. She's so so emotionally involved in this that she doesn't realize she doesn't make sense anymore.

I have no idea why she insists on the cancer story, maybe she needs closure. You are no different than all the bullocks conspiracy folks out there. You need a rest, you are going nuts.

Edit: He could have had all kinds of organ failure due to those pills and the medical bills might have been cause of that.

[Edited 11/2/17 15:28pm]

OzlemUcucu said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

Says "That White Dude"...

well, at least ur true to yourself. Maybe the book IS to garner money. He supposedly wanted them to oversee a school etc... maybe she'll get "estate approval" and release some of the memoir with the book. who knows?


But disregarding "gut feelings/INFERENCES that happen" is pretty myopic... They knew each other, they were family.

Yes, it might baffle people, but countless family members of varieties have seen or had premonitions when or before someone's about to die. It might even be the fact that the request could have been so bizarre that it struck a disonant note. She tells the story that "she pieced it together/put two and two together" after the "I've done what I came to do" statement (which could have simply been taken as satisfaction with his actions)

It's a context. If some grumblepuss asshole you've known at work for YEARS AND YEARS suddenly starts behaving very differently, you'd suspect something. Maybe a girlfriend, a hooker, drugs, or showing up to work high... who knows...

It just happens that whatever was exchanged in her words truly meant that he was biding his time and saying a goodbye.

AOA has more than just subtlety. For goddsakes....P is even Up in the Clouds on the cover.

U never know. She's closer to it. She prob knows better than most.

As many people on here will probably attest to; they've seen or had family who have seen and had premonitions. Some cultures don't care to regard any of that.

science even approximates proof of ESP in the animal and plant kingdoms.

Heck, I used to have a "connection" to a certain girl in my life, I used to know when she was thinking about me or thinking of calling me. I'd get that feeling someone was in the room with me, and sure enough...as soon as I had my footing (i'm always on the go) or got off stage (gigs) or stopped the car after driving home....etc... as soon as that happened, the phone would ring.

We're not all unconscious beings

I never saw any ghosts, but I've had good and bad omens in my life.... before major accidents and deaths.... and Tyka doesn't even refer to anything stretching out like that here either... people on this board ought to just chill and wait if they care about it. Expressing anger or frustration about her isn't going to generate anything.

What do you mean by "says that white dude??"

fair enough...doesn't add much to discussion. I believe it was a CAL3 statement that was misattributed.

Still is your pen name here.

Further fuel for the fire:

How bout this:... I do think a lot about the little guy. When the initial shows were announced I thought it was kinda odd for Prince to tour Australia first... I was hoping for a SoCal gig.

But the little jokester may have even been putting people on then...

I.E.

WELLLL Prince is in the news again... this time he's going down under.

Artichoke....... Artichokin' artichoke. SMH

ThatWhiteDude said:

I've posted two longists with side efdect and withdrawal symptoms, she didn't read it. And there she could read everything that Prince had as a Symptom. Including the liver damage Laura claims to be from another illness.

I think Laura is quite aware of the side effects and withdrawal symptoms. This has been discussed here ever since P died. I believe, that Laura has claimed liver damage from the very beginning from the drugs, now other things have also came to light and things are being put together. Of course all we can do is guess, because nobody is saying anything, but Tyka is slowly letting things out.

I like Tyka, I think you are too hard on her. I will say that I think they were closer then you think, all they had was each other growing up, and they didn't grow up in the best conditions. I also think that he guided Tyka to every step that needed to be taken after he passed. She knew his wishes.

ThatWhiteDude said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Sounds like Laura has no idea of a person's condition who is addicted. Plus, you can't measure Prince by normal standards. He preferred not to stop performing when he had to. I understand it's difficult to understand. She's so so emotionally involved in this that she doesn't realize she doesn't make sense anymore.

I have no idea why she insists on the cancer story, maybe she needs closure. You are no different than all the bullocks conspiracy folks out there. You need a rest, you are going nuts.

I've posted two longists with side efdect and withdrawal symptoms, she didn't read it. And there she could read everything that Prince had as a Symptom. Including the liver damage Laura claims to be from another illness.

Laura is partially right, but I hate her cancer narrative. He probably had too many organ failures cause of those pills abusement. He probably had several other illnesses. He spoke so many times about those pills effects in his songs. Menes posted in another good thread about this.

I think Laura needs to rest. I understand she is very emotional about it but she is confusing and hurting other folks who are also emotional about this. Constantly reading about how much pain he had is not helping anybody.

Okay, Laurarichardson, you told me that at least a dozen of the people that worked with him, said that there was more to it than what we (the fans), know.

But the only person that I know of that states that there was something different, was Tyka. And what she told us could mean anything. It could simply mean, that she SUGGESTED, that he told her in that way that he was dying. It could mean that she felt that he had a problem (NO MATTER WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS). BUT WE CAN'T KNOW FOR SURE IF SHE KEEPS TALKING LIKE THAT.

YOU on the other hand, take this as a FACT, just because she was his sister and because she was around him. But you know what? That doesn't mean anything. Okay, 'cause you know what else? I got so many people around me, people I see everyday and I hear so many things on a daily basis, that could also mean that they might die soon. And I'm a person too, that thinks too much about the things I hear. But nothing I ever thought they meant, happened later. NOTHING HAPPENED. It was just all in my head.

But I can tell you that, I checked them side effects and them symptoms of the withdrawals from Percocet. And you was the one that asked me, if pain meds can make your skin yellow. And the answer is FUCK YEAH THEY CAN. We do know that P took Percocet. And you know what the funny thing is? You don't even have to be an addict to get them side effects, you just simply need to be a long-term user, wich the warrent states, P was. HE WASN'T ADDICTED BUT HE USED THEM ON A CONSTANT BASIS. That also explains why he stille functioned at 100%. Oh and guess what else? They sure as hell can give you liver damage, surprise, isn't it?

And remember that they said Prince had the flu? Well, another surprise, percocet can give them symptoms too. Prince couldn't keep his food down? Percocet can be blamed. He had stomach pain and throat problems, Percocet can be blamed too.

You asked me, why it's so important to me, that P is just another victim of the crisis, well, to be honest, it's not important to me. But it's more plausible than the cancer theorie. While we're on that subject, why is it so important to you, that it was more than just them pills? See, the warrent points more to the theorie that Prince was indeed just another victim of the crisis.

FACT IS: P was treatened for an overdose before his death. Kirk told them that it was probably percocet. FACT IS: The warrent states that P refused to get treatened for his suggested pain killer problem. FACT IS: The amount of pain meds is indeed, an evidence that he really had a problem with them. FACT IS: That that doctor's son had pills that are used as a treatement for pain med addictions. He had also meds that are used if a patient suffers from nausea. Some medics found at PP do get prescribed for cancer, BUT YOU CAN ALSO PRESCRIBE THEM FOR OTHER THINGS just as, nausea from withdrawals.

Oh and that blood test? Well, IF P had liver damage, the test could've been taken because of that. A blood test doesn't mean that the person has cancer or AIDS. It can mean anything.

At this point, nothing really points to an illness such as cancer. There's literally no evidence for that. Infact, most people around him even said that he had problems with pills. Apollonia said that she met him back in November 2015 and she felt that he was on something.

EVERYBODY SAYS HOW MUCH PAIN HE HAD, they were reffering to his joint pain. Did you read Sheila E's latest Interview, what she told about her pain? Read that and imagine what pain P really had and then think again about them pills. It makes more and more sense that he got hooked on them.

If you still think that the symptoms he had only come from an illness such as cancer, then you should do some research on opiotes and how they fuck you up easily. They can also make you sick to your stomach, they can also damage your entire system, because they ain't like aspirin, they are much stronger.

To state one final thing: I am not against the thought that he probably was really sick, 'cause if he was, then I can't change it. But there's no real evidence to say that. And I think that you are not open to the theorie that it was indeed, an opiote problem. You constantly avoid it like it would be a shame for Prince to just be another victim of a crisis.

PennyPurple said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I've posted two longists with side efdect and withdrawal symptoms, she didn't read it. And there she could read everything that Prince had as a Symptom. Including the liver damage Laura claims to be from another illness.

I think Laura is quite aware of the side effects and withdrawal symptoms. This has been discussed here ever since P died. I believe, that Laura has claimed liver damage from the very beginning from the drugs, now other things have also came to light and things are being put together. Of course all we can do is guess, because nobody is saying anything, but Tyka is slowly letting things out.

I like Tyka, I think you are too hard on her. I will say that I think they were closer then you think, all they had was each other growing up, and they didn't grow up in the best conditions. I also think that he guided Tyka to every step that needed to be taken after he passed. She knew his wishes.

Different strokes for different folks. I don't say that I don't like her. But I don't believe everything she says only for the reason that she was his sister. Her being his sister isn't a valid reason to believe everything she says.

And to me it sounds like: "Oh at first I didn't give this any more meaning, but when he sent me that picture and that song, I knew that it was his way telling me that he is dying." I don't see that as an evidence that something other was wrong. Not if she keeps blabbing the same things over and over again.

Oh and no, Laura asked me today wich pain meds give you yellow skin. And I told her more than once that Percocet can give you that. And not even that. Everything P was suffering from can be a result of the overuse of percocet.

PennyPurple said:

CooperC62057 said:

PennyPurple said:

I think Laura is quite aware of the side effects and withdrawal symptoms. This has been discussed here ever since P died. I believe, that Laura has claimed liver damage from the very beginning from the drugs, now other things have also came to light and things are being put together. Of course all we can do is guess, because nobody is saying anything, but Tyka is slowly letting things out.

I like Tyka, I think you are too hard on her. I will say that I think they were closer then you think, all they had was each other growing up, and they didn't grow up in the best conditions. I also think that he guided Tyka to every step that needed to be taken after he passed. She knew his wishes.

PennyPurple I have to say when you first began to post here on the org, I so admired that you held your ground with LR. When these same discussions were being had over addiction vs illness, LR was very intimidating and quite frankly, she was the reason I stopped participating. Since that time, I have seen her make valid points on other issues and she does have a wealth and knowledge of Prince issues. ThatWhiteDude, two issues you will never, ever, ever have her look at in another light are the addiction issue or Mayte. She just will not accept an addiction without a coexisting terminal illness and will never acknowledge the relationship with Mayte as anything other than another opportunistic gold digger. That being said, I will say again that I believe that Prince OD,d in the past, at home and without medical attention. I’ve seen that with an addict - terribly sick, slept for days and suddenly snapped out of it. Could have been handled privately and perhaps Tyka was aware of this. It could have prompted conversations about “life”, and “I’ve done all I came to do”. Tyka is well aware of the outcome of addiction left untreated - she’s been to rehab and she knows what they preach. You’re going to jail, you’re going to die or you’re going to get into recovery. If you aren’t willing to get help and are in denial, then those around you need to prepare for the worst. It really is a reality check. I keep thinking of the post P put on his Instagram of the face down chocolate overdose. That idea originated from something and every time I think of it I am bothered by it. I believe Tyka knew because there WERE signs all along the way.

That's why my last post aiming at her will be my last post on that subject. I participate too. 'Cause this whole thing is bad enough without this discussion.

CooperC62057 said:

Please have a look at the north sea festival in 2011. this is just an example how fit and healthy he looks. he had muscles and he looked so young. the same 2010 in berlin (i was there). from 2013 (montreux) i see an change. his eyes look tired for me for the first time. from 2014 on you can see his muscles break down. from 2012 he must have taken a lot of drugs to look like this. he was ill for me.

Montreaux 2013 there were visible changes already, both physically and in his voice. Many people who attended noticed that.

It's also noticeable in the videos of that show.

[Edited 11/3/17 3:10am]

We all know Prince was a control freak, when he was addicted to his pain killers, it must have been very difficult for him to deal with something he was not in control off.

It doesn't surpirse me that Prince would have been giving out a vibe to his closest people, like Tyka, saying he thought he might be approaching the end, he was someone who knew his body very well, he prepared for concert tours etc which needed him in peak fitness, so he would have seen how his body and fitness was changing and was beyond his control. I last saw him in Manchester in 2014, he looked skinny but in good shape, as for him doing the piano shows, it could be he knew he was near the end but he always wanted to do the piano shows, so he wanted to do them as like a last wish, they were very different than the tours he had done previously. Prince was also a fighter and used to getting his own way, so he probably belived he could beat the meds/addiction/pain, unfortunately that wasn't the case.

One thing that doesn't make sense in all this to me, is that he was aware of his addiction and problems, so why not prepare things like a will and intentions just in case, doesn't seem like a Prince thing to do to just leave it all to other people to decide his intentions/legacy.

ecnirp98 said:

One thing that doesn't make sense in all this to me, is that he was aware of his addiction and problems, so why not prepare things like a will and intentions just in case, doesn't seem like a Prince thing to do to just leave it all to other people to decide his intentions/legacy.

I would imagine that was because he didn't think he was going to die so soon. You don't plan on dying of an accidental opiod overdose.

Let us not forget who called 911 on the 21st April 2016. It was Andrew Kornfeld, the son of a doctor Howard Kornfeld, a national authority on opioid addiction treatment who was contacted by Princes people. It was hoped that Prince would agree to go to California for long-term care under Kornfeld’s supervision. Prince’s representatives called Howard Kornfeld because of his reputation as a nationally known addiction researcher. According to Howard Kornfeld’s business website, Recovery Without Walls is a “personalized outpatient clinic, specializing in innovative, evidence-based medical treatment for chronic pain and drug and alcohol addiction.”

Andrew Kornfeld had a small amount of buprenorphine to give to Prince. Buprenorphine, sold under the brand name Subutex, among others, is an opioid used to treat opioid addiction, moderate acute pain and moderate chronic pain. The combination buprenorphine/naloxone is also used for opioid addiction.

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Montreux 2013 third night is really great where Prince's talent is concerned. His vocals on most songs are strong (Breakdown's vocal is a bit rough but still lovely and I love his vocal during the "Love we Make") but he does move in a limited capacity (for him anyhow) during the first two shows and he does show signs of being tired/winded and even a bit irritable and downright sad during the third night. The three concerts seems to show P shift in mood quite a bit, so I think he was going through something physically and/or emotionally at the time. Plus, I have never seen his sweat like he did those nights. Its dripping off him. Speaking of P's voice....its very very strong in the P and M tour, so I can't say I agree that the voice was shakier than in previous years..

MMJas said:

Montreaux 2013 there were visible changes already, both physically and in his voice. Many people who attended noticed that.

It's also noticeable in the videos of that show.

[Edited 11/3/17 3:10am]

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purplerabbithole said:

CAL3 said:

GimmeThat said:

Agree 100%. She needs to shut it. It’s a way of holding attention. If she had any real love for her brother she would put her attention toward preserving his legacy. Instead she is trying to get publicity for some project of her own that is bound to fail.

She is working on his legacy. She is doing everything she can possibly do to keep his legacy alive. PP Museum, The O2 tour. The TV interviews where she tells us little stories about them growing up together, the yearly events that are being held at PP for us fans, even the urn that she helped design.

I think some fans aren't happy because she's not talking about how he died.

And actually if you really study her in her interviews, she's still grieving, but she also knows that us fans are still grieving too, and she's trying to do all of this for us. She doesn't have to do a darn thing, but if it wasn't for HER and maybe OMARR, we would have nothing.