SNIP - OF4$

Art is auctioned all the time. It is rarely donated. In fact, the price of famous paintings is partly what raises their status in popular culture.

In 1996, I went to London and visited the National Gallery. There was displayed Van Gogh's Sunflowers. this painting was behind a layer of glass and guarded by an armed officer. This painting was originally purchased in an auction in 1987 for 39.9 million dollars and ..I am sure its been loaned out to museums for years.. . Prince's shoes just went for 75,000 dollars. A private collecter isn't going to go around wearing them or letting their kids play with them if they pay that kind of money. More than likely they are going to loan them out to Hard rock Cafe and museums etc.

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Too simple.

Everything might not be something a Museum would care for. Or see any significance in.

You are look at it all as a female Prince fan who adores Prince.

And think all the ladies should be 'loyal'.

yes it is simple, very simple indeed. those are the steps to take to BUILD a legacy.

1. donate to museum

2. museum curates the items

3. let museum call you if they don't want the stuff

4. then be greedy

so again i say I think giving things to museums is Legacy Building. I think selling things in an auction to random people is the opposite of Legacy building.

You have been in musuems where they have a shard of cracked pottery the size of a quarter from ancient Egypt on display. most anything would be of significance. but no one will get to see any of it

cause it is gonna sit in some random collectors house.

and i am tellin you how i look at it in my own words ,up above, but your not hearing my words.

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Strawberrylova123 said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

the thread is about 'Fine line between legacy building and callous exploitation'

It is not about Andy Allo Susannah Melvoin or your feelings on Censorship on the org

All 3 have beed discussed many times on the org before.

Members have been directed to create their own debate about Censorship on the Org and declined.

This is not what Purplerabbithole intended.

That's right everyone around Prince hated his guts and couldn't wait for him to die and have been waiting for him to die since 1986 or 1996 when they originally obtained the items.. And Prince was an unlovable piece of shit and the people around him are the worst kind of opportunists. Come on, Laura. People are complicated especially where fame and money are concerned but these are just items and nothing Susannah just said was even close to shade. She waited a year and a half to sell that stuff. I prefer her selling his stuff to collectors with nice stories to accompany them, then Mayte selling his stuff while he was alive (garage sale) while making fun of him, the tackiness of the wedding dress etc on a reality show in which her mother spits on the floor with the mention of his name and she complains about not getting Purple Rain money, and then she releases that very personal yet one-sided book pegged as a love story on the anniversary of his death with a salicious People magazine promoting it.

There is exploiting and then there is EXPLOITING>>>>> that all being said, Mayte could still do all that crazy shit and still love the man and still mean most of what she said. People are funny that way.

I don't agree at all. Even Mayte wouldn't do that. Okay, her mom might...(under a pseudonym...LOL).

laurarichardson said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

The people selling the auction items were all very close to prince, it seems they knew his importance from very early on and thought to save anything he touched, anything he signed, wore or was associated with. A lot of it is literally garbage, but prince is one of a few people so iconic that fans will pay thousands and thousands for garbage. I don't think prince would have a problem with people selling items like that, that associates had the foresight to save so long ago, it does show the level of superstardom prince achieved. I also think some stuff was stolen for sure, which is not cool, and selling some of the very personal stuff seems inappropriate to me, but at the end of the day it is up to the person that has it. Hopefully the items will be going to a better home so to speak...if someone pays thousands for a piece of paper, chances are they will love it...

---He stopped auctions all the time with cease and desist letters. So I doubt he would be fine with and that is the reason they waited until after he died. I honestly think that if they could get their hands on the clothes he died in they would auction those off as well.

purplefam99 said:

laurarichardson said:

If the stuff was never offered to the museum how would anyone know if it was signifcant or not.

EXACTLY!!!!!!

To what museum

Again your assumption being doey eyed about Prince doesn't mean that value will translate to a museum.

What museum is going to take leggings and a note?

I'll be the only one to say this I guess but I see the legacy building part as being the heirs/family's responsibility now and from what we've already heard, there are warehouses full of things that Prince kept. These people are free to do whatever they want with those items they own and I don't think they have to give them away to PP, the heirs, nor any organization. The legacy is not theirs to continue building, they already had their part in building it when they worked with Prince.

I don't see Prince's music in the same light as the other items being sold. I suppose I could come up with the reason why and explain but I don't really care to do so. The two aren't the same. No doubt someone else will come along and get into it further.

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purplefam99 said:

I have asked OFFS directly several times, but I am not getting a reply Would someone care to weight in on how the impersonators, cover bands and NPS is Any different. They are selling "prince" as well. How is it different to not be ok with that, but ok with the other? I am asking???

I only see 1 place post #88 where you asked me this. Where are the several times/places?

Sorry I have a 8-3 and was out and about just got home to scarf down a slice a pizza and clear this thread of off topic posts. Can I have a breather?

Where are the other several places you asked this?

Mumio said:

purplefam99 said:

Mumio said:

I'll be the only one to say this I guess but I see the legacy building part as being the heirs/family's responsibility now and from what we've already heard, there are warehouses full of things that Prince kept. These people are free to do whatever they want with those items they own and I don't think they have to give them away to PP, the heirs, nor any organization. The legacy is not theirs to continue building, they already had their part in building it when they worked with Prince.

Ok then we can also stop critiquing the families decisions on how they Handle the music and releases and such too, right?? Since it is their sole job To legacy build. I'm ok with that.

First of all, you can do whatever you like. But you won't be telling me what I can and can not do nor say. And just what is your stake in this? You're awfully fired up for just a random fan. If the family is planning on his fans to help them with building that legacy monetarily, then they do need to know we aren't looking for a substitute.

Oh, I had edited my comment when you were posting....suggest you read that.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Mumio said:

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I only see 1 place post #88 where you asked me this. Where are the several times/places?

Sorry I have a 8-3 and was out and about just got home to scarf down a slice a pizza and clear this thread of off topic posts. Can I have a breather?

Where are the other several places you asked this?

I believe you snipped them, so I can't check now.

lol yeah sure

Nope. Only things snipped where about Past Threads being removed and Andy Allo

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Totally missed the point.

Can you promise any of them 3-5yrs of life?

no i can't, but i couldn't do that 20 years ago either when they were holding on to the stuff. they

could have died then too and missed out on cashing in. timing looks callous to me.

please answer me if you will, how is it any different than the impersonators, cover bands, NPS, etc. aren't

they just selling "prince stuff" as well? Are you ok with that?

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They weren't holding onto stuff it was their property.

If your mother gave you a sweater, it is yours, you can do with it whatever you want, and there is nothing she or anyone can say about.

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Comparing Impersonators and Cover Bands with Sheila E the Family the Time, the Revolution, Vanity/Apollonia 6, Jill Jones, NPG etc really?

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

They weren't holding onto stuff it was their property.

If your mother gave you a sweater, it is yours, you can do with it whatever you want, and there is nothing she or anyone can say about.

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Comparing Impersonators and Cover Bands with Sheila E the Family the Time, the Revolution, Vanity/Apollonia 6, Jill Jones, NPG etc really?

Please answer how is it different. I'm open to being convinced. Yes really!!! And I have said here they are FREE to do as they please.

If you see people who have nothing absolutely nothing to do with the music/era/videos/concerts/albums as the same as those who did/do have to do with the music/era/videos/concerts/albums, then I don't know what else to say.

purplefam99 said:

Mumio said:

First of all, you can do whatever you like. But you won't be telling me what I can and can not do nor say. And just what is your stake in this? You're awfully fired up for just a random fan. If the family is planning on his fans to help them with building that legacy monetarily, then they do need to know we aren't looking for a substitute.

Oh, I had edited my comment when you were posting....suggest you read that.

[Edited 9/28/17 20:23pm]

I don't see your revison edits. Reads the same I believe. Please read my post in a monotone voice, I'm not fired up. I said WE not you, as I'm not trying to fire anyone up. How do we discuss things here without discussing?? That is why this exists right?? Just trying to talk. If we don't differ to a degree then where is the discussion bit.

Okay. The way it was written made me think otherwise, it appeared to be a directed remark.

The difference was my comment irt Prince's music vs "things" being sold.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Mumio said:

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

If you see people who have nothing absolutely nothing to do with the music/era/videos/concerts/albums as the same as those who did/do have to do with the music/era/videos/concerts/albums, then I don't know what else to say.

Aren't some past associates working with them too? I know you stated you felt Andre Cymone shouldn't do P's Material with NPG now. I'm not sure why that is not ok. This is just a discussion about fine line of legacy. I think Andre doing something with NPG is fine way to build legacy. I am Asking how /why that is viewed as a no no. Care to answer why?

Marva and Andrea(?) the sax player from 2015 Revelation as far as 'the music' have no clue.

I never said Andre Cymone should not do Prince's music with the NPG.

http://prince.org/msg/5/445049 the NPG on tour 2017

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

If you see people who have nothing absolutely nothing to do with the music/era/videos/concerts/albums as the same as those who did/do have to do with the music/era/videos/concerts/albums, then I don't know what else to say.

Aren't some past associates working with them too? I know you stated you felt Andre Cymone shouldn't do P's Material with NPG now. I'm not sure why that is not ok. This is just a discussion about fine line of legacy. I think Andre doing something with NPG is fine way to build legacy. I am Asking how /why that is viewed as a no no. Care to answer why?

Purplefam..SOme things just cant be adequately explained with words...

Please watch this..all 6...s of it...

Im not going to say anything for now,

but Please watch and tell me what you think...

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Marva and Andrea(?) the sax player from 2015 Revelation as far as 'the music' have no clue.

I don't think I ever said Andre Cymone should not do Prince's music with the NPG.

Hmmmm it was on the Andre performs with NPG thread, that was the impression That I got from what you said. But if that is not the case and your for him Performing with NPG you can correct me now.

I never said Andre Cymone should not do Prince's music with the NPG.

post the link you are talking about

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the NPG on tour 2017

http://prince.org/msg/5/445049

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplefam99 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I never said Andre Cymone should not do Prince's music with the NPG.

post the link you are talking about

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the NPG on tour 2017

http://prince.org/msg/5/445049

I can't because the "Andre cymone picking up the baton thread" is LOCKED.

it is there for you to see

hmmmmm

I don't think he can 'pick up the baton' in connection to Prince

But he can just be the artist he's wanted to be

#NeverBAnotherLikeMe

OldFriends4Sale said: