Leopard52 said:

Everyone has an opinion. It's not right or wrong just an opinion. Mine is that she's after money, period. If she loved him so and they were so special together she would keep them. If not they should be given to Paisley. But it's her decision to make because she ended up with them.

Co-sign. She can do as she please but it is cupcaking to say she is not in this for the money.

laurarichardson said:

Leopard52 said:

Everyone has an opinion. It's not right or wrong just an opinion. Mine is that she's after money, period. If she loved him so and they were so special together she would keep them. If not they should be given to Paisley. But it's her decision to make because she ended up with them.

Co-sign. She can do as she please but it is cupcaking to say she is not in this for the money.

Is cupcaking like 'sugarcoating'? I never heard cupcaking used before

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Co-sign. She can do as she please but it is cupcaking to say she is not in this for the money.

Is cupcaking like 'sugarcoating'? I never heard cupcaking used before

New term for sugarcoating.

This back and forth about motives is silly, imo. I have no problem with Susannah (or Mayte or anyone else) making bank on anything she may have left from that time period. I hope she makes as much as she can. In the end, selling off some random items says nothing about her feelings for him. She's moved on, been married and had kids. She still has her memories. Should she keep a few cards from the florist or leg warmers that her kids will only throw away when she passes? ...and if she has a book to write, then I'm plenty interested in hearing what she has to say, more so than Mayte (who I still think is very sweet) or Sheila mE, mE, mE.

Susannah selling his old shit isn't really a big deal. Motive or not, it's impossible to tell from face value and it's kind of pointless to waste time debating if she MIGHT. Mayte's was far far worse. Some hate she received was unwarranted, but some of her behavior before P's death was questionable and she was waaaaay too eager to jump in the public image as Prince's wife after he died. But that's another topic

Either way P put Susannah back to real life in that later interview he did about the inspirations of his songs. Whatever she's selling is from the 80s and has barely if any value it's nothing special. Let her make a buck or 2 as long as she's not speaking bs or acting shady (which I think is a bigger problem amongst associates)

CharismaDove said:

Susannah selling his old shit isn't really a big deal. Motive or not, it's impossible to tell from face value and it's kind of pointless to waste time debating if she MIGHT. Mayte's was far far worse. Some hate she received was unwarranted, but some of her behavior before P's death was questionable and she was waaaaay too eager to jump in the public image as Prince's wife after he died. But that's another topic

Either way P put Susannah back to real life in that later interview he did about the inspirations of his songs. Whatever she's selling is from the 80s and has barely if any value it's nothing special. Let her make a buck or 2 as long as she's not speaking bs or acting shady (which I think is a bigger problem amongst associates)

Personally, I thought Mayte was a lot more tasteful than Sheila E parading across TV screens as his former fiance immediately after his death like all the other girlfriends or wives didn't matter.

I think Sheila gets a bad rap. She simply did that stuff too early. But now I realize that someone had to talk publically about P when he died. I thought it was too soon at the time but now it feels like she was doing a long eulogy, keeping his legacy alive, saying nice things about him, keeping herself busy so she didn't get too bummed out about his death and besides her story about being his fiance was already in her book before he died and she never claimed he was a recent fiance. The press ran with the connection but she always stuck to his good traits, later did tribute concerts and gave most of the proceeds to charities that he favored (recently a free concert) . She has also cooled it a bit since then. So perhaps 'exploiting' his death to help her career was just her way of finding a silver lining and continuing a shared musical legacy. She probably was approached more than others (except the Revolution and they have since gotten their attention as well--they waited until they felt it was appropriate to do so). We all cope differently. But she has been nothing but kind where Prince was concered and I am sure she could have gotten even more attention by dropping a bit more dirt or shade into her accounts of him or taking more credit for his music.

Mayte has said some nice things about P--especially right after he died and during the memorial set up by herself and Manuela (who she has since depicted as a mistress), but she has also been less than kind, inconsistent, released a cautionary tale/sanctification of herself disguised as a love story on the anniversary of his death, and allowed a cover story in People magazine to highlight the salicious and odd bits of their story (out of context to some degree). When he was alive she publically made fun of his size, his love making ability (in Tommy Lee's reality show), his clothes (while selling them in a garage sale), called their wedding dress tacky (okay, she is right about that one..LOL), appeared on a reality show where she complained about how their kid dying meant she did not get Purple Rain money, and let her mom spit on the floor when talking about P on that same show.

jtfolden said:

CharismaDove said:

Susannah selling his old shit isn't really a big deal. Motive or not, it's impossible to tell from face value and it's kind of pointless to waste time debating if she MIGHT. Mayte's was far far worse. Some hate she received was unwarranted, but some of her behavior before P's death was questionable and she was waaaaay too eager to jump in the public image as Prince's wife after he died. But that's another topic

Either way P put Susannah back to real life in that later interview he did about the inspirations of his songs. Whatever she's selling is from the 80s and has barely if any value it's nothing special. Let her make a buck or 2 as long as she's not speaking bs or acting shady (which I think is a bigger problem amongst associates)

Personally, I thought Mayte was a lot more tasteful than Sheila E parading across TV screens as his former fiance immediately after his death like all the other girlfriends or wives didn't matter.

[Edited 10/2/17 3:52am]

jtfolden said:

CharismaDove said:

Susannah selling his old shit isn't really a big deal. Motive or not, it's impossible to tell from face value and it's kind of pointless to waste time debating if she MIGHT. Mayte's was far far worse. Some hate she received was unwarranted, but some of her behavior before P's death was questionable and she was waaaaay too eager to jump in the public image as Prince's wife after he died. But that's another topic

Either way P put Susannah back to real life in that later interview he did about the inspirations of his songs. Whatever she's selling is from the 80s and has barely if any value it's nothing special. Let her make a buck or 2 as long as she's not speaking bs or acting shady (which I think is a bigger problem amongst associates)

Personally, I thought Mayte was a lot more tasteful than Sheila E parading across TV screens as his former fiance immediately after his death like all the other girlfriends or wives didn't matter.

But people(media) were contacting Sheila E she wasn't parading.

She being a friend of Prince was also a (fan) of Prince. and I talked to people in my life:co workers, strangers at a store, family about Prince the same way. I needed people to know my music hero was gone and what he meant to me.

Exactly. People from the generation that pretty much runs the media remembered her association with Prince. (Hell, I was a casual fan at the time and even I remember Sheila pounding away on the drums in one legged pants and the song Glamourous Life). They obviously contacted her(and probably also attempted to contact the Revolution for interviews) and she probably just kept herself busy continuing the legacy and working on her career. Even though the tone of the interviews was different after he died, she wasn't saying or doing much different in terms of her self promotion (which of course is essential for the duration of a career) and her promotion of P's talents and more positive traits. She didn't make shit up about him or sanctify him in an dishonest way. She just focused on what she cherished in the man and his music. If occassionally she had to remind relatively rude interviewers that she was probably a better drummer than he was (duh!), then so be it--she is a better drummer. Prince was a good drummer but it was like forth in line of his list of talents...(6th if you count singing and dancing.)

OldFriends4Sale said:

jtfolden said:

Personally, I thought Mayte was a lot more tasteful than Sheila E parading across TV screens as his former fiance immediately after his death like all the other girlfriends or wives didn't matter.

But people(media) were contacting Sheila E she wasn't parading.

She being a friend of Prince was also a (fan) of Prince. and I talked to people in my life:co workers, strangers at a store, family about Prince the same way. I needed people to know my music hero was gone and what he meant to me.

purplerabbithole said:

I think she is the most manipulative and passive/aggressive of the bunch because she doesn't seem willing to admit that she and her family used PRince while he was alive and that her mother was guiding her along the way." Woe is me, I had to do Oprah because he made me, meanwhile her mother was also in the episode. Pointing out P's flaws is fine but she has her own like most us but doesn't seem to want to acknowledge them. She is a loving martry. PLus, it is simple--she has done the most damage to his reputation of anyone out there since his death and she did it on the anniverary of his death. She is inconsistent as hell as well. She has told the story about how she met Prince in three different constrasting ways. Even something as simple as whether or not P liked to go to movies--in an interview prior to his death, she stated he wasn't a 'cinema' guy but in her book, she talks about him loving to take her to the movies. I dont entirely trust this woman...though I don't really care if she made fun of his clothes, talking about his sex not being as good as his performances on Tommy's show is BS> She probably loved him at one point or another but she also hangs on his coattails more than most of his associates who do more than just dance classes.

NotACleverName said:

I have noticed that as a general rule, you play devil's advocate to all associates' questionable behavior sans Mayte. I'm just curious as to why. I know it is all opinion, which you are entitled to, but why is she not given the same concessions you give others who have worked with, dated, loved, etc. Prince? To add some balance: Manuela was a mistress. No mystery or revelatory info there. The People story may not have been seen by her prior to production. Perhaps Hatchett gave final approval. No one knows what transpired there. Regardless, I didn't feel it was salacious. Where/how did she make fun of his size? His lovemaking skill? Please provide links. How did she make fun of his clothing? Was it the reality program? The scene in which she brought out a shirt? I did not watch the show when it aired, however, I did watch a YT clip of this scene. It appeared to me that the ladies could not have gushed more about being in the presence of the man's shirt (wanting to try it on, smell it). Fwiw, she wanted an alternate designer to make the wedding dress but she acquiesced to Prince (which I think she did often...not in a conciliatory manner but out of respect, love and faith that his decisions were generally the better). Frankly, had Amiir survived, there would have been child support at the time of a divorce. How is that disrespectful? If the other ex wives were speaking about settlements, why does it seem odd that Mayte would mention her circumstance? She cannot control her Mother's actions. I would imagine her Mother remembers how Mayte felt after the divorce and is still angry that someone's actions inflicted so much pain on her child. I know I become insane when my children feel hurt by another's words/actions. My instinct is to protect and defend them....with no regard to the offenders feelings. What I gleaned from the book is that she loved the man with every fiber of her being, and she will never find that kind of love again. There were numerous instances in which she highlighted Prince's humanity, genius, capacity to love and protect in the book. Further, I would doubt there is one single marriage in the history of marriages that didn't include some terrible times. I applaud her for introducing us to a man rarely, if ever, seen by the public. I would imagine she realized there would be some blow back; however, I doubt she ever imagined it would result in death threats. That was simply beyond the scope of intolerance. Not one single former associate (to include collaborators, girlfriends, friends, etc.) deserves THAT type of treatment. A final thought on balance: let's not forget Sheila's continued promotion of product for sale that includes the addition of Prince's identity defining symbol placed with a butterfly. purplerabbithole said:

I think Sheila gets a bad rap. She simply did that stuff too early. But now I realize that someone had to talk publically about P when he died. I thought it was too soon at the time but now it feels like she was doing a long eulogy, keeping his legacy alive, saying nice things about him, keeping herself busy so she didn't get too bummed out about his death and besides her story about being his fiance was already in her book before he died and she never claimed he was a recent fiance. The press ran with the connection but she always stuck to his good traits, later did tribute concerts and gave most of the proceeds to charities that he favored (recently a free concert) . She has also cooled it a bit since then. So perhaps 'exploiting' his death to help her career was just her way of finding a silver lining and continuing a shared musical legacy. She probably was approached more than others (except the Revolution and they have since gotten their attention as well--they waited until they felt it was appropriate to do so). We all cope differently. But she has been nothing but kind where Prince was concered and I am sure she could have gotten even more attention by dropping a bit more dirt or shade into her accounts of him or taking more credit for his music. Mayte has said some nice things about P--especially right after he died and during the memorial set up by herself and Manuela (who she has since depicted as a mistress), but she has also been less than kind, inconsistent, released a cautionary tale/sanctification of herself disguised as a love story on the anniversary of his death, and allowed a cover story in People magazine to highlight the salicious and odd bits of their story (out of context to some degree). When he was alive she publically made fun of his size, his love making ability (in Tommy Lee's reality show), his clothes (while selling them in a garage sale), called their wedding dress tacky (okay, she is right about that one..LOL), appeared on a reality show where she complained about how their kid dying meant she did not get Purple Rain money, and let her mom spit on the floor when talking about P on that same show.

[Edited 10/2/17 3:52am]

I want to know what she decided to hang on to. I'm guessing she kept the Grammy the members of the Revolution got for Kiss. I wonder what she did with the engagement ring?

The hand written note is the only thing that I felt sad about her selling. That seemed too personal.

purplerabbithole said:

Well, I tend to read between the lines with her (maybe a little too much admittedly) . She made many folks on different boards feel sorry for her about her belly dancing pay vs. P's pay. To me, that is passive/aggressive and deceptive of her? At best, she is trying to prove that she was not using him for his money? At worst she is trying to show everyone how much of a cheapsake he was and how great she was to work for so little. If her pay as a belly dancer was so good, why did they even approach P to work for him? Love? Her parents' motivation of having their underaged daughter work for a rock star for less pay was love? BTW, since when has belly dancing been that lucrative over the long run? . Yes, P was cheap but the benefits for working for P in the long run outweigh the benefits of being a belly dancer (a teenage belly dancer is novelty, a middle aged belly dancer is going to struggle financially-ask her mom who used to be one herself) . Without P, she wouldn't be better off financially as a 40 year old belly dancer in Cairo than she is now. IN fact, with her pay from 2 different reality shows and now a book, she has been able to continue living in the extremely expensive Los Angeles county. Prior to P's death, she probably took in some money for her dancing lessons, but I imagine that wasn't her bread and butter...not until his death that is (the classes are now more successful than ever now that Prince is dead.)

My uncle used to live in Los Angeles county (in fact, I was born there but my parents moved when I was 5 due to gang violence and poverty in the neighborhood we lived in and we weren't even in the worst neighborhood)...anyhow back to my uncle, he was a construction worker and maintaince man at a high rise downtown (2 jobs) in order to pay for a 1000 square foot house. Tiny tiny house and he needed two full time jobs to pay for it. Her house wasnt a mansion on that show but it was a decent house and she was able to pay with it with supposedly no help from P? How? because she got work partly because of her association with P (tommy's reality show, some choreography jobs, some acting, belly dancing, ex-housewives reality show pay). She was not so poor that she couldn't pay for a babysitter. Yet, she throws that crap out there on teh show as if she is poor. At best, her sense of perspective and entitlement is scewed; at worst, she was intentionally throwing shade at P for not providing for her basic needs..

Her talking about needing babysitter money in her reality show and then bringing up later her lack of disposable income like the other ex-wives. Really? Do you honestly believe that a reality show (she wouldn't have gotten if she hadn't been married to Prince in the first place) didn't pay her enough money to pay for a damn babysitter? Give me break.

I am not saying Mayte is evil or even lying about Prince. But her sense of entitlement and perspective seems off and at times, she seems self-serving. I feel for her loss and I think she was generous to admit that maybe P needed more help during that time but I do think sometimes women (and I am a woman) have trouble admitting their own flaws because of a fear of being criticized publically...well, who(including Prince) likes to be publically scrutinized.

NotACleverName said:

Ok....well, like I mentioned, you're entitled. You and I could go back and forth like this all day....for instance, she is probably not admitting to using Prince because she truly loved the guy (she could have made more $ as a belly dancer overseas vs the initial wkly salary of $300), Mayte admitted she was so deep into her grief over Amiir that she failed to realize how consumed Prince was by his resulting in him seeking comfort elsewhere and if the truth were told, Prince did the most damage to his reputation when the coroner announced his cod and the ensuing published stories about his addiction - https://www.google.com/se...llers+2016 - than Mayte's book revealed (which was all speculation really) and the book hoopla has abated and interviews with her are less frequent yet, others are still touring, playing his music under the guise of keeping the legacy alive and honoring the man....but it won't get us anywhere. It's apparent, to me, by our individual thoughts and opinions we are never going to agree. I find it fascinating that two people can read the same story and walk away with such opposing views. Different interpretations of the same information. Glass half full, half empty.... purplerabbithole said:

I think she is the most manipulative and passive/aggressive of the bunch because she doesn't seem willing to admit that she and her family used PRince while he was alive and that her mother was guiding her along the way." Woe is me, I had to do Oprah because he made me, meanwhile her mother was also in the episode. Pointing out P's flaws is fine but she has her own like most us but doesn't seem to want to acknowledge them. She is a loving martry. PLus, it is simple--she has done the most damage to his reputation of anyone out there since his death and she did it on the anniverary of his death. She is inconsistent as hell as well. She has told the story about how she met Prince in three different constrasting ways. Even something as simple as whether or not P liked to go to movies--in an interview prior to his death, she stated he wasn't a 'cinema' guy but in her book, she talks about him loving to take her to the movies. I dont entirely trust this woman...though I don't really care if she made fun of his clothes, talking about his sex not being as good as his performances on Tommy's show is BS> She probably loved him at one point or another but she also hangs on his coattails more than most of his associates who do more than

Well said.

NotACleverName said:

I have noticed that as a general rule, you play devil's advocate to all associates' questionable behavior sans Mayte. I'm just curious as to why. I know it is all opinion, which you are entitled to, but why is she not given the same concessions you give others who have worked with, dated, loved, etc. Prince? To add some balance: Manuela was a mistress. No mystery or revelatory info there. The People story may not have been seen by her prior to production. Perhaps Hatchett gave final approval. No one knows what transpired there. Regardless, I didn't feel it was salacious. Where/how did she make fun of his size? His lovemaking skill? Please provide links. How did she make fun of his clothing? Was it the reality program? The scene in which she brought out a shirt? I did not watch the show when it aired, however, I did watch a YT clip of this scene. It appeared to me that the ladies could not have gushed more about being in the presence of the man's shirt (wanting to try it on, smell it). Fwiw, she wanted an alternate designer to make the wedding dress but she acquiesced to Prince (which I think she did often...not in a conciliatory manner but out of respect, love and faith that his decisions were generally the better). Frankly, had Amiir survived, there would have been child support at the time of a divorce. How is that disrespectful? If the other ex wives were speaking about settlements, why does it seem odd that Mayte would mention her circumstance? She cannot control her Mother's actions. I would imagine her Mother remembers how Mayte felt after the divorce and is still angry that someone's actions inflicted so much pain on her child. I know I become insane when my children feel hurt by another's words/actions. My instinct is to protect and defend them....with no regard to the offenders feelings. What I gleaned from the book is that she loved the man with every fiber of her being, and she will never find that kind of love again. There were numerous instances in which she highlighted Prince's humanity, genius, capacity to love and protect in the book. Further, I would doubt there is one single marriage in the history of marriages that didn't include some terrible times. I applaud her for introducing us to a man rarely, if ever, seen by the public. I would imagine she realized there would be some blow back; however, I doubt she ever imagined it would result in death threats. That was simply beyond the scope of intolerance. Not one single former associate (to include collaborators, girlfriends, friends, etc.) deserves THAT type of treatment. A final thought on balance: let's not forget Sheila's continued promotion of product for sale that includes the addition of Prince's identity defining symbol placed with a butterfly. purplerabbithole said:

well, Penny I noticed the complete opposite with you. Devil's advocate for her but no one else. Well, to each her own perspectives... By the way, my comment on the other thread was not referring to you. I want to drop it and you are entitled to your own perspective.

PennyPurple said:

Well said.

NotACleverName said:

I have noticed that as a general rule, you play devil's advocate to all associates' questionable behavior sans Mayte. I'm just curious as to why. I know it is all opinion, which you are entitled to, but why is she not given the same concessions you give others who have worked with, dated, loved, etc. Prince? To add some balance: Manuela was a mistress. No mystery or revelatory info there. The People story may not have been seen by her prior to production. Perhaps Hatchett gave final approval. No one knows what transpired there. Regardless, I didn't feel it was salacious. Where/how did she make fun of his size? His lovemaking skill? Please provide links. How did she make fun of his clothing? Was it the reality program? The scene in which she brought out a shirt? I did not watch the show when it aired, however, I did watch a YT clip of this scene. It appeared to me that the ladies could not have gushed more about being in the presence of the man's shirt (wanting to try it on, smell it). Fwiw, she wanted an alternate designer to make the wedding dress but she acquiesced to Prince (which I think she did often...not in a conciliatory manner but out of respect, love and faith that his decisions were generally the better). Frankly, had Amiir survived, there would have been child support at the time of a divorce. How is that disrespectful? If the other ex wives were speaking about settlements, why does it seem odd that Mayte would mention her circumstance? She cannot control her Mother's actions. I would imagine her Mother remembers how Mayte felt after the divorce and is still angry that someone's actions inflicted so much pain on her child. I know I become insane when my children feel hurt by another's words/actions. My instinct is to protect and defend them....with no regard to the offenders feelings. What I gleaned from the book is that she loved the man with every fiber of her being, and she will never find that kind of love again. There were numerous instances in which she highlighted Prince's humanity, genius, capacity to love and protect in the book. Further, I would doubt there is one single marriage in the history of marriages that didn't include some terrible times. I applaud her for introducing us to a man rarely, if ever, seen by the public. I would imagine she realized there would be some blow back; however, I doubt she ever imagined it would result in death threats. That was simply beyond the scope of intolerance. Not one single former associate (to include collaborators, girlfriends, friends, etc.) deserves THAT type of treatment. A final thought on balance: let's not forget Sheila's continued promotion of product for sale that includes the addition of Prince's identity defining symbol placed with a butterfly. purplerabbithole said:

[Edited 10/2/17 16:14pm]

[Edited 10/2/17 16:30pm]

Strawberrylova123 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

nice.
So that note he sent her about the ballet was from 1996?

I think from the Gold experience era?? 1995

I don't think an actual date or year is mentioned anywhere is it? But I suspected the note might be referring to what later becacme "Curious Child" off Emancipation since the linear note state that it is "a simple ballet for an old friend", which would put it at '95, '96.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Anyone in the public eye has judgement passed on them. If she did not want judgement passed on her she could have remain anonymous but then she would not be able to prove the authenticity of the items and therefore not make money.

I hope she sells it all and actually goes out and finds a job but I am sure we have not heard the last of her and I will come back and remind you all when she starts selling more stuff or promoting her book.

ain't no body judging them but a few fan ladies in waiting...stiiiiill waiting. Prince ain't coming.

how is this being civil? Isn't this considered trolling?

Asenath0607 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

ain't no body judging them but a few fan ladies in waiting...stiiiiill waiting. Prince ain't coming.

how is this being civil? Isn't this considered trolling?

Well good morning to you and Happy Friday the 13th!!

.

nope, we are debating, it's a general comment, grown folk stuff

why did you take it so personal?

but you sure did 'tell' on yourself

.

what's wrong with you

Why can't we just dance

why can't we just dance

I don't talk about you

I don't talk about you

.

let's review:
1. You never posted in this thread(that no one posted in, in 10 days)

2. When you do you post something that has nothing to do with the topic

3. I must have posted something in some other thread that you disagreed with

and it got under your cyberskin

4. You stewed on it for a time

5. You searched out a thread I posted in and took it out here

.

.

the world of fan ladies in waiting extends way beyond the org

like those anti-Mayte woman...

.

Thread debate was kinda over 10days ago and you just post to say that?

OldFriends4Sale said:

Asenath0607 said:

how is this being civil? Isn't this considered trolling?

Well good morning to you and Happy Friday the 13th!!

.

nope, we are debating, it's a general comment, grown folk stuff

why did you take it so personal?

but you sure did 'tell' on yourself

.

what's wrong with you

Why can't we just dance

why can't we just dance

I don't talk about you

I don't talk about you

.

let's review:
1. You never posted in this thread(that no one posted in, in 10 days)

2. When you do you post something that has nothing to do with the topic

3. I must have posted something in some other thread that you disagreed with

and it got under your cyberskin

4. You stewed on it for a time

5. You searched out a thread I posted in and took it out here

.

.

the world of fan ladies in waiting extends way beyond the org

like those anti-Mayte woman...

.

Thread debate was kinda over 10days ago and you just post to say that?

SNIP - OF4$