anangellooksdown said:

See, I think Prince's head was always filled with music which as he said himself was a blessing and a curse. I think this was natural for him (by nature) but also his way of "escaping" at a young age (a result of nurture). But he was made so strong by God that he was able to leave his family and go out on his own at 12 (!) and be the boss so he could have a safe haven in this world, create a universe of his own wherre he could choose who to invite into it and also create his beloved music. Very smart. He knew to protect himself young. Thank God he was given this gift. Otherwise I believe he would've ended up like so many other people from broken or dysfunctional families. Let's not forget that in many ways he was no longer the same Prince from the 80s. The man grew. This is why I put little stock into what the Revolution or people who talk about the sex parties around him in the 90s say. Or even how he reacted to what happened in his first marriage. Some of him stayed the same but he changed a lot too. Flirting, intoxication, excitement, etc is all about obsession. Good stuff for song-writing but like someone else said, that is not real love. think he fell into those things and the musical world was part of that sometimes. But he loved Mayte as a child of God and his life did change when he was with her. I think with Manuela too. Although I believe there were other girls around sometimes, even if it was just flirting or tohave beautiful women around, I think he was always steadily growing more and more. By the 2010s, he was a lot more mature. Here's the thing though: I have talked about this many times...Remember in 2014 he said that whether he got married again would he up to God? And he said that something would have to pull him in to the point he couldn't get away. That's what I think he desired. But with really really young women, they may have sexiness and purity and perfect bodies and fun and music or talent to offer, but i don't think that fulfilled his deepest desires. I will always believe that what Prince wanted more than anything was a woman somewhat older, with some life experience, who was very spiritual[, very honest and very compassionate. Those three things are the most attractive qualities a human being can have. She would have to not need his power and already have her own purpose. She would have to have the other qualities he liked too. And she would have to love him for him, aside from "who he was" socially. She would have to have her own power. Not what we might think of as power, but real power. This is not easily described. But he would know her when she arrived. No manipulation or games or social media posts or using each other. Just total Respect. THAT is The One he wouldn't be able to leave. And there would be no struggle or dominance or inequality. They would be able to work through anything together because there would be trust, and real love is about keeping the others' happiness in utmost priority. Prince could do this. Does that make sense? We have all come so far on this journey together. We have learned so much about Prince. I really appreciate reading everyone's very thoughtful comments here. [Edited 9/13/17 11:02am]

What makes you think that is what he wanted? Is it possible that this is what YOU wanted for him; because surely I seriously doubt that Prince wanted a "somewhat older woman, with some life experience" he couldn't have found one. IMO Prince got exactly what he wanted, maybe not what he needed, but what he wanted.

Troy seems like a smart woman (she is college educated, I believe) and Devin seemed like a sensible woman in the interview i watched. I don't know who Manacea was.

laurarichardson said:

purplerabbithole said:

Not to belabor the point. I just hate the word bimbo where consenting sexual encounters are concerned. Judging only by P's highly sexualized music and his lack of a college education ( ignoring talent and ambition) that label could unfairly be thrown at him (if he were a woman, that is). Also since every woman who we know he dated publically was an aspiring musician, could they be labeled as bimbos because they slept with the successful rock star who helped them on their way. Plus being a bad girl doent mean you are dumber than the good girl. I took those statements about P to mean that he kind of liked the girls who gave him shit until he caught them that is. He did like the chase--I agree with that.

--Prince was a manhoe which is a little different then being a bimbo but make bimbo exsist. Not all of the women he dated publicly were musician. Devin and Manacea and Troy were not

Asenath0607 said:

anangellooksdown said:

See, I think Prince's head was always filled with music which as he said himself was a blessing and a curse. I think this was natural for him (by nature) but also his way of "escaping" at a young age (a result of nurture). But he was made so strong by God that he was able to leave his family and go out on his own at 12 (!) and be the boss so he could have a safe haven in this world, create a universe of his own wherre he could choose who to invite into it and also create his beloved music. Very smart. He knew to protect himself young. Thank God he was given this gift. Otherwise I believe he would've ended up like so many other people from broken or dysfunctional families. Let's not forget that in many ways he was no longer the same Prince from the 80s. The man grew. This is why I put little stock into what the Revolution or people who talk about the sex parties around him in the 90s say. Or even how he reacted to what happened in his first marriage. Some of him stayed the same but he changed a lot too. Flirting, intoxication, excitement, etc is all about obsession. Good stuff for song-writing but like someone else said, that is not real love. think he fell into those things and the musical world was part of that sometimes. But he loved Mayte as a child of God and his life did change when he was with her. I think with Manuela too. Although I believe there were other girls around sometimes, even if it was just flirting or tohave beautiful women around, I think he was always steadily growing more and more. By the 2010s, he was a lot more mature. Here's the thing though: I have talked about this many times...Remember in 2014 he said that whether he got married again would he up to God? And he said that something would have to pull him in to the point he couldn't get away. That's what I think he desired. But with really really young women, they may have sexiness and purity and perfect bodies and fun and music or talent to offer, but i don't think that fulfilled his deepest desires. I will always believe that what Prince wanted more than anything was a woman somewhat older, with some life experience, who was very spiritual[, very honest and very compassionate. Those three things are the most attractive qualities a human being can have. She would have to not need his power and already have her own purpose. She would have to have the other qualities he liked too. And she would have to love him for him, aside from "who he was" socially. She would have to have her own power. Not what we might think of as power, but real power. This is not easily described. But he would know her when she arrived. No manipulation or games or social media posts or using each other. Just total Respect. THAT is The One he wouldn't be able to leave. And there would be no struggle or dominance or inequality. They would be able to work through anything together because there would be trust, and real love is about keeping the others' happiness in utmost priority. Prince could do this. Does that make sense? We have all come so far on this journey together. We have learned so much about Prince. I really appreciate reading everyone's very thoughtful comments here. [Edited 9/13/17 11:02am]

What makes you think that is what he wanted? Is it possible that this is what YOU wanted for him; because surely I seriously doubt that Prince wanted a "somewhat older woman, with some life experience" he couldn't have found one. IMO Prince got exactly what he wanted, maybe not what he needed, but what he wanted.

I've always been curious about his Dec15 tweet, it was a joke but I wonder, was it. About his "new" girlfriend being his "old" girlfriend because she was his age.

I was wondering that myself.

morningsong said:

Asenath0607 said:

What makes you think that is what he wanted? Is it possible that this is what YOU wanted for him; because surely I seriously doubt that Prince wanted a "somewhat older woman, with some life experience" he couldn't have found one. IMO Prince got exactly what he wanted, maybe not what he needed, but what he wanted.

I've always been curious about his Dec15 tweet, it was a joke but I wonder, was it. About his "new" girlfriend being his "old" girlfriend because she was his age.

Mumio said:

Asenath0607 said:

purplegirl00 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

endiadj said:

I bet there are people who think Prince was single all of his life, was never married, never had a girlfriend, never had sex, etc. Never seen so much disagreement about who he dated, who he loved, who he married...lol

I have a gay friend who still thought Prince was gay until a couple of years ago...

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pinkcashmere23 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Asenath0607 said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Lala said she spoke with him as well and he told her the same thing,also agreed they should meet up soon.Dani Leigh(dancer in Breakfast Can Wait) said she spoke with him as well.It seems everyone he knew called him to check on him and he told them not to worry.I remember Apples said she wanted to go out there to take care of him when she thought he had the flu.

Makes me a bit sad to think that no one that he spoke to knew him well enough to know that he wasn't really doing great

It makes angry no one in his group of friends/acquaintances cared enough about him to stay with him for a few days after he almost died and was released from the hospital.Some of his friends have said they were told he couldn't come to the phone or that he was resting when they called.

sharpieheartz said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Prince seemed pretty into Andy.They were constantly creating music together in and out of the studio.They were writing songs for and about each other.They probably developed a deep bond during that time.It may have started out as a superficial attraction but evolved into something more.They were going every where together in 2012.Andy did not accompany him to Australia in 2012-though some say they saw her and Dr F said she was there.She was posting clips of performances on her FB at the time.While in Australia he had the ladies perform Africa by Toto which may have been a subtle nod to Andy. There is a performance of TBO out there from a performance at Sydney's Allphones arena where it sounds like he possibly sang Andy's name toward the end of the song and then screamed it again while down on his knees.Someone posted a video of it here last year in a Andy thread and pointed it out. I saw it recently and it certainly sounds like it to me so it seems she was on his mind.Someone else noticed that Prince was wearing Andy's vest that she is wearing in the picture that Prince put up at PP, in another clip of the show.After Australia,Prince went to Sacramento.He and Andy were also seen record shopping and after they were discovered,Andy did a few radio interviews where she said Prince stopped in town to surprise her while she was working on her album.She also downplayed the idea that they were in a romantic relationship,insisting they were just good friends.She said they also went to see a movie but had to leave because she was scared.They left Sac shortly after and headed to Hollywood where they finished work on Superconductor at the Record Plant.Dr.Funk interviewed Andy while they were there,mentioning that a "friend"of hers was helping her in the studio and that they whooped him at pingpong.After finishing the album,Andy said in another interview they celebrated with "lots of cake".In September of that year,Andy accompanied Prince to Chicago performing with him(I saw a clip online of them singing Take Me With You while staring into each others eyes,Prince turned to the audience saying "Awww,ain't she cute?"with a grin)Andy also performed at the HOB and had a listening party while there.Someone who was there with Prince said he got very angry over the way the audience responded to Andy.They said he was upset because Andy had just performed her heart out for everyone and no one clapped for her.They agreed with him that his response was justified.Prince then went out and said to the audience,"I don't care what ya'll say,I've got a crush on that girl!".In October,Prince and Andy performed on Jimmy Kimmel Live.Someone who was there said that Prince didn't let Andy out of his sight the whole time they were there though she was sick and perhaps he was concerned.In November,Andy released Superconductor.To celebrate,she posted a pics that they had taken of each other playing with ring lights.The caption said "Today we celebrate with Superconductor Afros"The pic is still on her FB and she posted it again last year.In December,Andy went with Prince to NYC where they attended an event at Butter restaurant,honoring Esperanza Spaulding.Andy posted on her FB that they had a Prince drink there and it was "delicous."She also later posted about salsa dancing. Prince and Andy spent the holidays at his home in Turks and Caicos and she posted a few pictures of her frolicking in the water that Prince had taken.They decided to make a calendar with some of the pictures,posting a different inspirational quote that she later said they chose together ,for each month.She posted a few of the months as a free wallpaper download.At the end of January Andy shared the recording of U Will B on FB,the video ends with Prince2013 and AlloEvolution.Prince performed at the Dakota that month,debuting his new band,3EG.Andy was in Chanhassen but was not seen at the shows.At the end of February ,Andy was in NYC for the taping of Prince and 3EG's Jimmy Fallon performance and posted her support on social media.In March they both performed at SXSW.Afterwards,they flew back to Minnesota where Prince began rehearsals and recording with 3EG.At the Dakota shows he was seen with a new girl,Mikala Love and she had begun hanging around PP and the band.Her purpose was not clear but Prince did have her hold his guitar during his BMA performance.Lala was also back in the picture and it was around this time Andy appeared to have left for awhile and began focusing on her solo career.Prince and Andy were not seen together again until her NSJ performance later that summer.They appeared to be a part after that and were doing their own thing.I do remember while Prince was in Montreux summer 2013,3EG posted in the chat on 3rd Eye TV about Andy.They typed that Prince was excited about beginning work on Superconductor Reloaded and then they started talking about Andy,complementing her,gushing about how wonderful she was.It was random and fans asked if the person typing was Prince.They replied saying Prince was in Montreux and they were at PP.It was random and kind of funny.They were posting under 3EG'S official account so it may have been Prince lol. When he returned to the States he did an interview with DrFunk.He talks about Superconductor and Andy,telling him how much he admires her work ethic and how proud he is of her and her album.He then says he may have to re-release it as Superconductor Reloaded with some of the duets they did.Andy was asked about it in a Spreecast afterward and she said she knew nothing about it.Later that year,Prince posted a clip of a remix of Superconductor on 3rd EyeTV calling it Superconductor Reloaded.November 4th,2013 Prince was at Andy's show at Hotel Café.He entered by a side door and watched from the side of the stage,virtually unnoticed.DrFunk was there and said Andy didn't know he was coming. As she left the stage,he said she ran right into Prince and they were eye to eye.Dr Funk said she looked shocked to see him and they shared a moment then Prince left the way he came in before being noticed.DrFunk said he asked Andy about Superconductor Reloaded and she said that she didn't know anything about it and to ask Prince.Prince and Andy were not seen together again until early March 2014 at Liv Warfield's show at the Palladium.People who were there said they were holding hands and appeared to be back together.Andy was seen by the stage at his show at the Palladium the next night and Prince performed People Pleaser and Superconductor without her.They were not seen together much after that.though Prince was at Andy's show at The Bootleg Theater in LA September 10th,2015.They seemed to share a mutual attraction and admiration.Andy said they"shared a great love".Perhaps to them, they did.In the picture she posted with her tribute,they look like a couple and they look very happy.I'm not sure if the pic had been released before but most assumed it was her way of confirming what many of us thought.I'm glad she shared it and it's one of my favorite pictures of Prince.

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Watch Pink, it's gonna be that one person who comes and be like: THIS IS ALL FANFICTION, YOURE ANDY. BLAH GO AWAY. But thanks for this post.

You're welcome.

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pinkcashmere23 said:

sharpieheartz said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

He included three songs with her on Phase 2 as well.2Y2D is about her and speculation on their relationship,she's also on vocals.Rock and Roll Love Affair and Black Muse that turns into 1000 Light Years,another sweet duet.

Not to mention, Groovy Potential. He repeats a same lyric from that song that he does in U Will B. Didn't realize that until last night lol

Interesting! Hadn't noticed that.Screwdriver seems to be about her/them as well.

pinkcashmere23 said:

I have mixed feelings about this. At times,I agree with folks' statements on here that everyone knew about his addiction but were waiting around for someone else to say or do something.

But let's consider something...how often do people have a drug overdose of which they survive and then die the same week of a second drug overdose. Its like lightening striking the same tree twice in the same week . Associates not living and working in Paisley anymore may have hoped that Prince had gotten the scare he needed to get better and didn't want to invade his privacy or hurt his pride and assumed that P and maybe even Kurt had time to work on the problem. . Nobody (other than his supplier and possible direct enablers) could have predicted that lethal fentanyl was in his pills. Close calls usually result in at least a brief period of caution. A terrorist attack on a plane will alert us that there is a terrorism problem that needs to be addressed in the long run but usually we assume that the week after an attack is the safest time to travel because the security is on high alert. Maybe folks thought that his direct associates were taking care of him and then just tried to keep track of if P was improving from a distance. It was a hard bubble to break through sometimes.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Asenath0607 said:

Makes me a bit sad to think that no one that he spoke to knew him well enough to know that he wasn't really doing great

It makes angry no one in his group of friends/acquaintances cared enough about him to stay with him for a few days after he almost died and was released from the hospital.Some of his friends have said they were told he couldn't come to the phone or that he was resting when they called.

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sharpieheartz said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

Interesting! Hadn't noticed that.Screwdriver seems to be about her/them as well.

Yep, it's that "I learned my lines, I'm ready to play the part" lyrics. And I think so too. Andy didn't like that song although Prince meant it as a "jokey-joke".

I listened to it after your post and I caught it,thanks!I had heard that about Andy not liking Screwdriver.He mentioned during one of the P&M shows that "she didn't like that one."after he played it.He went into a detailed explanation during one of the Dakota shows telling the audience it was about the "counter clockwise." I noticed Andy has a post on her IG from 2014 with a bit of a poem.'Spending so much time looking to the future,you forget to see the present.I find that the earth rotates counter clockwise the moment I look in your eyes'.

purplerabbithole said:

I have mixed feelings about this. At times,I agree with folks' statements on here that everyone knew about his addiction but were waiting around for someone else to say or do something.

But let's consider something...how often do people have a drug overdose of which they survive and then die the same week of a second drug overdose. Its like lightening striking the same tree twice in the same week . Associates not living and working in Paisley anymore may have hoped that Prince had gotten the scare he needed to get better and didn't want to invade his privacy or hurt his pride and assumed that P and maybe even Kurt had time to work on the problem. . Nobody (other than his supplier and possible direct enablers) could have predicted that lethal fentanyl was in his pills. Close calls usually result in at least a brief period of caution. A terrorist attack on a plane will alert us that there is a terrorism problem that needs to be addressed in long run but usually we assume that the week after an attack is the safest because the security is on high alert. Maybe folks thought that his direct associates were taking care of him and then just tried to keep track of if P was improving from a distance. It was a hard bubble to break through sometimes.

pinkcashmere23 said:

It makes angry no one in his group of friends/acquaintances cared enough about him to stay with him for a few days after he almost died and was released from the hospital.Some of his friends have said they were told he couldn't come to the phone or that he was resting when they called.

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That's true and he was out and about before the party at PP and afterward so they may have assumed he was doing better also.I was more referring to his physical condition.He just didn't look well.It looks like they would have noticed that and been more worried.I was also referring to his close associates at the time btw.

sharpieheartz said:

People: PRINCE WAS NOT DATING ANDY Kim: *confirms it* Them: WHATS SO SPECIAL ABOUT ANDy?

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sharpieheartz said:

Susu1976 said:

sharpieheartz said:

Asenath0607 said:

sharpieheartz said:

About the weight decline, Prince had a history of periods in which he got super thin and then recovered. Yes, he was alarmingly thin at the end of the his life, but he was also alarmingly thin in 1993 and in 2009. I know Elisa Fiorillo tweeted him about eating more. So I think there was concern but not a lot true understanding of the extent of the problem.

Also, maybe they thought that it might be a waste of time to travel all the way to Minnesota to attend a party at which time Prince and his inner circle would just give them the run-around or put on airs that everything was cool. . If Prince had called associates and told them that he wasn't feeling okay and was really struggling, I am sure at least a few of the associates he called would have made the trip because for him to admit that he had a problem, it must have meant the problem had really gotten bad. But he might have just succeeded too well at deluding people that he was on his way to recovery.

pinkcashmere23 said:

purplerabbithole said:

I have mixed feelings about this. At times,I agree with folks' statements on here that everyone knew about his addiction but were waiting around for someone else to say or do something.

But let's consider something...how often do people have a drug overdose of which they survive and then die the same week of a second drug overdose. Its like lightening striking the same tree twice in the same week . Associates not living and working in Paisley anymore may have hoped that Prince had gotten the scare he needed to get better and didn't want to invade his privacy or hurt his pride and assumed that P and maybe even Kurt had time to work on the problem. . Nobody (other than his supplier and possible direct enablers) could have predicted that lethal fentanyl was in his pills. Close calls usually result in at least a brief period of caution. A terrorist attack on a plane will alert us that there is a terrorism problem that needs to be addressed in long run but usually we assume that the week after an attack is the safest because the security is on high alert. Maybe folks thought that his direct associates were taking care of him and then just tried to keep track of if P was improving from a distance. It was a hard bubble to break through sometimes.

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That's true and he was out and about before the party at PP and afterward so they may have assumed he was doing better also.I was more referring to his physical condition.He just didn't look well.It looks like they would have noticed that and been more worried.I was also referring to his close associates at the time btw.

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Nothing will keep you away from a friend in need.

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