Thewooh said:

Everyone with info should be consulted. But members of the Revolution have unfortunately proven time and again that they can't be trusted to get the facts right. And also rather than using interviews after Prince's death to further Prince's legacy they have taken every opportunity to build their own. I fear they would use the vault material in the same way.

what facts are U talking about?

Purple Music 101 starts up soon, make sure you are front in center

Let them have it. Please for the love of Jeezuz. But I would only support it if there is a NON-BIASED producer involved who's not a Revolution stan that is willing to do the research and put them in their place when the facts don't vibe. I get that they were there with Prince in the studio, but I can't shake the feeling that Prince had nothing to do with them for so long. And dont come at me with the same old story - he went to their house to shoot the breeze and talk about their children. Notice none of them speak too indepthly about him in his recent state of mind other than POSSIBLY working together again, IF we were to believe what BrownMark says. That's means no Questlove and hell to the no Alan Leeds! If this is all and for the ONLY sole purpose of preserving a Prince Legacy and nothing and no one else.

Thewooh said:

Everyone with info should be consulted. But members of the Revolution have unfortunately proven time and again that they can't be trusted to get the facts right. And also rather than using interviews after Prince's death to further Prince's legacy they have taken every opportunity to build their own. I fear they would use the vault material in the same way.

what facts? Yours?

Zannaloaf said:

Thewooh said:

Zannaloaf said:

what facts? Yours?

No. Facts as presented by former band members considered against other sources.

no facts

wonder505 said:

Let them have it. Please for the love of Jeezuz. But I would only support it if there is a NON-BIASED producer involved who's not a Revolution stan that is willing to do the research and put them in their place when the facts don't vibe. I get that they were there with Prince in the studio, but I can't shake the feeling that Prince had nothing to do with them for so long. And dont come at me with the same old story - he went to their house to shoot the breeze and talk about their children. Notice none of them speak too indepthly about him in his recent state of mind other than POSSIBLY working together again, IF we were to believe what BrownMark says. That's means no Questlove and hell to the no Alan Leeds! If this is all and for the ONLY sole purpose of preserving a Prince Legacy and nothing and no one else.

I want people who can do the job and keep their personal stuff out. I have included ALL and the ones in bold are included. I respect Questlove but he needs not be part of it either. I want to see the videos and films there even if there are some of people I may not fancy. I am sick of all the bias and info not shared because it does not match up to what peeps want the public to think. I do not that to happen with stuff in the Vault.

Thewooh said:

Zannaloaf said:

what facts? Yours?

No. Facts as presented by former band members considered against other sources.

what sources?

Well, Lisa was there pretty much from the beginning.

ChanGirl said:

Well, Lisa was there pretty much from the beginning.

right,

for some reason people forget this.

She will 4ever B the beautiful voice on Head

rogifan said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

rogifan said:

Lets face it fans are just as biased as anyone. We all have our favorite eras/band members. I say bring in someone like Dave Hampton or Scotty Baldwin and then get opinions and advice from former band members who worked on the music at the time.

Biased or not.
I think most are being reasonable in saying, we would want to see band members from each period have part in the rereleasing of music whether it be 'the Rebels' the Revolution the WB-NPG the Rainbowchildren-NPG or 3rd Eye Girl etc

I don't think that is biased.

I think after a while it turns into a too many chefs problem. Having a limited input is nice but a line has to be drawn somewhere if anything is going to get done.

morningsong said:

I think after a while it turns into a too many chefs problem. Having a limited input is nice but a line has to be drawn somewhere if anything is going to get done.

It depends on the synergy of each group.

A group wiyj alterior issues and not so intimately connect may have 'chef' issues whereas another group that does not, most likely won't

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

They want a paycheck.

Yes, well... The thought occured to me, too. That it would be a way to earn a little money as "creative consultants" or something.

Vashtix said:

I respect and thank ALL bands-incl. the Revolution but at this point

I want the music to be about Prince and even the discussions seem pointless because the bandmates did not create. PRINCE is the genius. Prince is the reason for the music, he is the Mozart.

You do not need to be a bandmate or associate to hear good music, catalogue it and release it.

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The Vault should not be about the bandmates but Prince. Leave them all out of it. I want this handled as a real excavation of Prince's music as if it is a dig of grand historical finds.

I agree. Purple Rain Deluxe disc 2 is proof that there's no need for a lot of former associates to get involved. All that's needed is someone whose sole interest is getting the great music out to the fans. And apparantly, the people behind Purple Rain Deluxe knew what the fans wanted even though they were not in the band back in 1983/84.

And speaking as a fan, I want more Deluxe editions in the style of Purple Rain Deluxe, because I loved it. WB did a great job without consulting The Revolution.

Wow… this is an impassioned debate.

Who is paying them to argue the “meaningless” position?

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That is, if I were to play devil’s advocate… this might be my second or third response, if my intent were questioned about something I helped create. My first response is just too obvious.

Furthermore, continuing to bring up “who a song was written about” obscures and at times contradicts the position they’ve already taken regarding this thread; which is also very ironic for those who currently believe the Revolution should have no say.

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After you’ve heard it and fell in love with a song, what needs to be remembered, thought about and careful considered is (like icing on top of a delicious cake), what enhances the enjoyment of listening to a good or great song?

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Wrong or right, bias or no, very telling is the passion of this argument. Apparently some of the fans feel or have decided that they have stock, influence or some type of an ownership position that they need or want enforced; or if not somehow needing it legitimized, they at least want it recognized; irony abounds.

That feeling is legitimate and it should not be quickly dismissed.

However, those same fans should take that feeling, multiply it by infinity, add all the withheld/docked and overtime pay that was not received, subtract all the bonus received for all those small creative contributions (like interpreting what Prince means when he shouts over the music that they been playing for the past many hours, “give some more… or turn up the fuzz” or “add something pretty” or for writing or helping write an entire song). Now in conparison take that feeling of ownership and…

The Vault and WB needs the Revolution, they just don't know it yet.

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It is one thing to watch a company or an individual, profit off your efforts, talent, investment or contributions. In most cases it is viewed as a group effort, so their success is your success.

Attributing everything to the genius of Prince without providing credit or credence to those who lived through the experience with him would be a grave mistake, from a capitalistic, artistic and a fanatical point of view.

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“I just made it up” is never the answer Don Cornelius or Dick Clark would received when they ask an artist after their performance the meaning of the song or the story behind the song.

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Paisley and WB don’t own the vast collective memory of what went into the creation of a 3 minute song, nor do they own the memory of all those practice rehearsals, the added segues, or the memory of what it actually took to perform as many concerts with a perfectionist.

Prince had final say, yes, but do you not think he was getting input, advice and help from every artist in his presence?

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So the question to those with a passionate position, those who have taken stock and found that they do have a legitimate ownership interest. Once you have heard it and fell in love it, what enhances the enjoyment of listening to a good or great song?

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Be it a release coming from WB or coming from the Vault, there’s going to be a story behind each and every song that you have NEVER heard, and the people that own all these unheard songs don’t know those stories.

Without the Revolution and other artists the songs are not actually meaningless but they will definitely have less meaning.

Knowing the reason, the meaning and the stories behind the music enhances it, often making it more relevent in how, when and why you listen to it.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

I saw The Revolution Saturday night, and they were sensational. Because no one knows exactly what is in the vault - at least the public doesn't know - it would only seem fair that The Revolution participate in the organization and curation of their work with Prince. I wish Susan Rogers would handle the project for the entire body of his work, but I can dream, can't I?

1Sasha said:

I saw The Revolution Saturday night, and they were sensational. Because no one knows exactly what is in the vault - at least the public doesn't know - it would only seem fair that The Revolution participate in the organization and curation of their work with Prince. I wish Susan Rogers would handle the project for the entire body of his work, but I can dream, can't I?

Entire body of work? The years she worked with him yes. When was the last time Prince spoke to Susan? Dont see how she could speak to his later work?

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A good producer could handle the whole lot.

1Sasha said:

A good producer could handle the whole lot.

I disagree. With Princeexpressing how she doesnt know his music in a previos interview, and Susan she's stating she's only qualified to speak about him 1983-1988 in an interview, I dont feel good about that. But that's just my opinion.

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The article reveals the The Revolution is making a generous offer that should not be refused.

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Yes… My initial rant was all over the place defending, acknowledging, understanding and attacking passionate positions about something that Lisa actually didn’t state.

Out of concern she was mainly describing her reaction and the bands reaction with “Wait!” Collectively offering what Prince would have thought on the releases.

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The title of the article and the title of this thread is misleading. The concern with this should be was deliberately deceptive, and what was and did it accomplish its designed intent?

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I understand what it is like to be misunderstood and misquoted. My dyslexia is more severe than I care to admit, and it blatantly reveals itself mainly when I vent. But this article could have easily been entitled something else more appropriate with what was mostly discussed in the interview and less bombastic, but instead, and at the expense of truth, it wasn’t.

I understand that “sensation” sells, I hope its intent was just only that.

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They are making no demands, The Revolution is simply making it known (regarding their unheard music) that they are collectively willing to be in on the decision making as “Prince’s Brain” (or from the Prince’s point of view), not from their own.

This is very different than what the title reports in stating, “The Revolution wants a say in what gets released from Prince’s Vault.”

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Consider if they collectively stated the opposite.

What if they wanted nothing to do with any of the music that they took part in creating that had previously never been released? And then also collectively decided that they would never tell anyone their reasons for not speaking about it after it was released.

That is a real possibility given the reason that no one is asking for their input and the fans seems to be dismissing their knowledge and contributions.

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I don’t see ego in their offer, I see a valuable window of opportunity being handed to the fans and to history.

You can question or dismiss the extent of its value later. As a fan with an invested interest to protect, I would encourage that the Revolution’s offer be accepted.

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No one expects Prince Fans to blindly accept what is being told or offered to them. There are some dogged, agenda seeking, B.S. calling Posters amongst you. Which has been a very good thing. However, it is clear that things have changed and are in a state of flux. With people positioning themselves in places in preparation for a gold rush. Cleverly targeting the habits, patterns and biases of fans and fan sites to sway the market and influence for or against whatever they wish.

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Are these embellished headlines deliberately sensationalized to enflame Fans against the Revolution?

Is it a possible attempt to defame and diminish their potential status and influence, with regard to decisions made about the Vault, and by influencing those who rely on computer generated statistical reports to make such decisions?

The article was posted without commentary regarding its overall wide-ranging context.

Damage is done simply because many see the title without reading thread or the article.

It might as well said “The Prince Vault is opening and The Revolution is preparing for the Gold Rush!” Never stating that they are preparing by offering to help by providing their singular unique perspective on the songs they participated in creating.

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Right or Wrong, Agree to Disagree, no matter what eventually everyone will have their own favorite songs on their playlist.

The Revolution could wait for all the song to be release however and whenever the estate and WB sees fit and then write or make up whatever story they wish.

Prince rolled tape on vocal rehearsals, so maybe some don't believe they need any other artist input.

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If The Revolution are involved in the process it doesn’t mean they have final say, but at least the public, the fans and history will benefit from their official narrative statements regarding each song, as they explain their reasons based upon what they knew, from the “Prince’s Brain” point of view, from back in the day.

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Personally, I would want to know their individual decisions and selections and then also their collective One for Prince.

Toban said:

The article reveals the The Revolution is making a generous offer that should not be refused.

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Yes… My initial rant was all over the place defending, acknowledging, understanding and attacking passionate positions about something that Lisa actually didn’t state.

Out of concern she was mainly describing her reaction and the bands reaction with “Wait!” Collectively offering what Prince would have thought on the releases.

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The title of the article and the title of this thread is misleading. The concern with this should be was deliberately deceptive, and what was and did it accomplish its designed intent?

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I understand what it is like to be misunderstood and misquoted. My dyslexia is more severe than I care to admit, and it blatantly reveals itself mainly when I vent. But this article could have easily been entitled something else more appropriate with what was mostly discussed in the interview and less bombastic, but instead, and at the expense of truth, it wasn’t.

I understand that “sensation” sells, I hope its intent was just only that.

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They are making no demands, The Revolution is simply making it known (regarding their unheard music) that they are collectively willing to be in on the decision making as “Prince’s Brain” (or from the Prince’s point of view), not from their own.

This is very different than what the title reports in stating, “The Revolution wants a say in what gets released from Prince’s Vault.”

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Consider if they collectively stated the opposite.

What if they wanted nothing to do with any of the music that they took part in creating that had previously never been released? And then also collectively decided that they would never tell anyone their reasons for not speaking about it after it was released.

That is a real possibility given the reason that no one is asking for their input and the fans seems to be dismissing their knowledge and contributions.

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I don’t see ego in their offer, I see a valuable window of opportunity being handed to the fans and to history.

You can question or dismiss the extent of its value later. As a fan with an invested interest to protect, I would encourage that the Revolution’s offer be accepted.

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No one expects Prince Fans to blindly accept what is being told or offered to them. There are some dogged, agenda seeking, B.S. calling Posters amongst you. Which has been a very good thing. However, it is clear that things have changed and are in a state of flux. With people positioning themselves in places in preparation for a gold rush. Cleverly targeting the habits, patterns and biases of fans and fan sites to sway the market and influence for or against whatever they wish.

.

Are these embellished headlines deliberately sensationalized to enflame Fans against the Revolution?

Is it a possible attempt to defame and diminish their potential status and influence, with regard to decisions made about the Vault, and by influencing those who rely on computer generated statistical reports to make such decisions?

The article was posted without commentary regarding its overall wide-ranging context.

Damage is done simply because many see the title without reading thread or the article.

It might as well said “The Prince Vault is opening and The Revolution is preparing for the Gold Rush!” Never stating that they are preparing by offering to help by providing their singular unique perspective on the songs they participated in creating.

.

Right or Wrong, Agree to Disagree, no matter what eventually everyone will have their own favorite songs on their playlist.

The Revolution could wait for all the song to be release however and whenever the estate and WB sees fit and then write or make up whatever story they wish.

Prince rolled tape on vocal rehearsals, so maybe some don't believe they need any other artist input.

.

If The Revolution are involved in the process it doesn’t mean they have final say, but at least the public, the fans and history will benefit from their official narrative statements regarding each song, as they explain their reasons based upon what they knew, from the “Prince’s Brain” point of view, from back in the day.

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Personally, I would want to know their individual decisions and selections and then also their collective One for Prince.

I'm definitely not against them being a part of the think tank. But if there are 40 versions of the same song with different inflections contributed by a wide variety of people who should have what say to the final 1, 2, 5 versions of the song that gets released? It could get messy very fast.

morningsong said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It depends on the synergy of each group.

A group wiyj alterior issues and not so intimately connect may have 'chef' issues whereas another group that does not, most likely won't

No matter what a line has to be drawn, somebody isn't going to get as much input as they want. Personally I don't see why credit can't be given where credit is due but so far I've seen quite a bit of disagreement along those lines about of few well know songs so its obvious this situation isn't going to have that ideal synergy. Forming cliques over music is going to be a mess. Needs someone at this point thinking about the fans and not their personal ego.

I just want the music.
I would prefer the people in the camp during the energy of the vision/music be involved for each period 1978-2016

But I just want the music more music
I need it

morningsong said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

It depends on the synergy of each group.

A group wiyj alterior issues and not so intimately connect may have 'chef' issues whereas another group that does not, most likely won't

No matter what a line has to be drawn, somebody isn't going to get as much input as they want. Personally I don't see why credit can't be given where credit is due but so far I've seen quite a bit of disagreement along those lines about of few well know songs so its obvious this situation isn't going to have that ideal synergy. Forming cliques over music is going to be a mess. Needs someone at this point thinking about the fans and not their personal ego.

I agree with everything you've said here.

OldFriends4Sale said:

morningsong said:

No matter what a line has to be drawn, somebody isn't going to get as much input as they want. Personally I don't see why credit can't be given where credit is due but so far I've seen quite a bit of disagreement along those lines about of few well know songs so its obvious this situation isn't going to have that ideal synergy. Forming cliques over music is going to be a mess. Needs someone at this point thinking about the fans and not their personal ego.

I just want the music.
I would prefer the people in the camp during the energy of the vision/music be involved for each period 1978-2016

But I just want the music more music
I need it

Both you and morningsong make excellent points in your post.

double post

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OldFriends4Sale said:

morningsong said:

OldFriends4Sale said: No matter what a line has to be drawn, somebody isn't going to get as much input as they want. Personally I don't see why credit can't be given where credit is due but so far I've seen quite a bit of disagreement along those lines about of few well know songs so its obvious this situation isn't going to have that ideal synergy. Forming cliques over music is going to be a mess. Needs someone at this point thinking about the fans and not their personal ego.

I just want the music.
I would prefer the people in the camp during the energy of the vision/music be involved for each period 1978-2016

But I just want the music more music
I need it

We all do. But next we'll have another 14 different lawyers involved on every single song, everybody vying for equal time and equal space. It was so much easier when there was just one massive ego that squashed all the others. We were happy.