Lisa Coleman states "Every one of us had something he didn’t have, even though he had it all."

Anyone care to share their thoughts on what each member had that Prince did not have? Just curious as to what other people's thoughts are.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/jul/24/how-we-made-princes-purple-rain-interview

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Asenath0607 said:

Lisa Coleman states "Every one of us had something he didn’t have, even though he had it all."

Anyone care to share their thoughts on what each member had that Prince did not have? Just curious as to what other people's thoughts are.

please include the article link

thanx

she might be talking about the same thing concering Purple Rain

http://www.startribune.com/revolution-keyboardist-shares-untold-stories-from-prince-s-soon-to-be-reissued-purple-rain/428738003/

Asenath0607 said:

I assume she is saying that P was a multi-instrumentalist, dancer, singer and songwriter of ecclectic ability but that he spread himself a bit too thin or was too self taught (or not quite as super human as some claim) to be an absolute expert on any one skill or talent. Apparently, they are the experts in their particular fields or had specific sensibilities etc that he didn't have... but they presumably were not as ecclectic as he was. She is not necessarily saying anything unreasonable but I do wish the Revolution would talk more about what they think his best contributions were (rather than -- the "he's great but some of his ideas were rather basic at first" type statements which are unnecessary at this point and starting to get old. After all, George Martin didn't always say (as far as I know) "The Beatles were great but they couldn't have done Sergent Peppers without my orchestral arrangements.." And unlike the Revolution, he isn't included on the album cover title. Most people when they see titles like Bruce Springsteen and E street band or Heuy Lewis and the News assume that the band members contributed as well. )

BTW, what does Bobby Z have that Prince didn't have? Am I missing something? And don't get me started on the clickbait of a title to that article. It almost sounds like the writer is stating that The Revolution completely did Prince's Purple Rain for him and without him..

rogifan said:

Asenath0607 said:

Lisa Coleman states "Every one of us had something he didn’t have, even though he had it all."

Anyone care to share their thoughts on what each member had that Prince did not have? Just curious as to what other people's thoughts are.

This doesn’t make any sense. If he had it all how could they have something he didn’t have?

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Asenath0607 said:

Lisa Coleman states "Every one of us had something he didn’t have, even though he had it all."

Anyone care to share their thoughts on what each member had that Prince did not have? Just curious as to what other people's thoughts are.

umm...

That makes absolutely ZERO sense....

Shes trying to take credit in the most insideous way....

grrrrrrrrr

Lovejunky said:

Asenath0607 said:

Lisa Coleman states "Every one of us had something he didn’t have, even though he had it all."

Anyone care to share their thoughts on what each member had that Prince did not have? Just curious as to what other people's thoughts are.

umm...

That makes absolutely ZERO sense....

Shes trying to take credit in the most insideous way....

grrrrrrrrr

Get over it. She's being very respectful.

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It sounds contradictory, but what she means is that Prince was an amazing artist before and after the Revolution and was always destined to fame....

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but that even someone with all his talents wanted to add to his palette by including other musicians who could contribute and make his music have some more qualities it wouldn't have had otherwise.

GaryMF said:

Lovejunky said:

umm...

That makes absolutely ZERO sense....

Shes trying to take credit in the most insideous way....

grrrrrrrrr

Get over it. She's being very respectful.

.

It sounds contradictory, but what she means is that Prince was an amazing artist before and after the Revolution and was always destined to fame....

.

.

but that even someone with all his talents wanted to add to his palette by including other musicians who could contribute and make his music have some more qualities it wouldn't have had otherwise.

Thanks for translating ....

Ive been like an overprotective Lioness last few weeks....

rogifan said:

Asenath0607 said:

Lisa Coleman states "Every one of us had something he didn’t have, even though he had it all."

Anyone care to share their thoughts on what each member had that Prince did not have? Just curious as to what other people's thoughts are.

This doesn’t make any sense. If he had it all how could they have something he didn’t have?

It does make sense.
Read the interview where Lisa & Bobby Z were talking. It makes perfect sense.

She is praising Prince. Prince couldn't play trumpet or sax. So there was something he didn't have, even though he had it all.
People are individuals. And they bring things to the table that someone else doesn't have because of our individual personalities souls and expression. This is not hard. You are unique.

purplerabbithole said:

I assume she is saying that P was a multi-instrumentalist, dancer, singer and songwriter of ecclectic ability but that he spread himself a bit too thin or was too self taught (or not quite as super human as some claim) to be an absolute expert on any one skill or talent. Apparently, they are the experts in their particular fields or had specific sensibilities etc that he didn't have... but they presumably were not as ecclectic as he was. She is not necessarily saying anything unreasonable but I do wish the Revolution would talk more about what they think his best contributions were (rather than -- the "he's great but some of his ideas were rather basic at first" type statements which are unnecessary at this point and starting to get old. After all, George Martin didn't always say (as far as I know) "The Beatles were great but they couldn't have done Sergent Peppers without my orchestral arrangements.." And unlike the Revolution, he isn't included on the album cover title. Most people when they see titles like Bruce Springsteen and E street band or Heuy Lewis and the News assume that the band members contributed as well. )

BTW, what does Bobby Z have that Prince didn't have? Am I missing something? And don't get me started on the clickbait of a title to that article. It almost sounds like the writer is stating that The Revolution completely did Prince's Purple Rain for him and without him..

rogifan said:

Asenath0607 said: This doesn’t make any sense. If he had it all how could they have something he didn’t have?

Bobby Z is a drummer, Prince couldn't play Purple Rain with guitar and drums at the same time. This isn't hard. Prince said Morris Day was a flashier drummer, and that could be a bad thing when they are into showing off more. He said he loved that Bobby Z was able to focus and follow him on all of his moves and breaks. He also said no one played Purple Rain like Bobby Z. That he played it like a slow love jam(or something like that) so it is about individuality and connection.

.

And they are not stating even closely that they did Purple Rain without him. Jezus this get's tired.

I don't care who plays Purple Rain whether it was someone from the camp or an unreleated artist. Prince Bobby Z Dr Fink Lisa Coleman BrownMark Wendy Melvoin David Coleman Novi Novog Suzi Katayama 'made' Purple Rain. From the Warehouse to the 1983 Danc Benefit show to the makeshift recording booth outside to the final touches at Sunset Sound and the assistance of engineers David Z and Susan Rogers. The magic happened.

Lovejunky said:

Asenath0607 said:

Lisa Coleman states "Every one of us had something he didn’t have, even though he had it all."

Anyone care to share their thoughts on what each member had that Prince did not have? Just curious as to what other people's thoughts are.

umm...

That makes absolutely ZERO sense....

Shes trying to take credit in the most insideous way....

grrrrrrrrr

come on Lovejunky

I don't mean to sound hard on Bobby but even your and Prince's very nice description of Bobby's talent, self discipline and humility doesn't suggest that he brought anything special to the table that PRince couldn't have done himself had he just been able to clone himself. Not over-drumming is something Prince was probably just as capable of.

As for the title, I referred to. I was not directing that disdain toward teh Revolution but instead toward the writer.

Slightly, unrelated question....Do you think there was magic in the superbowl performance of Purple Rain or was there something lacking because the rest of the original partiicipants weren't there. Is the Revolution now without PRince, Susan Rogers etc able to recreate the magic of Purple Rain? Or is the magic in both cases just unique and distinctive from the recording?

OldFriends4Sale said:

purplerabbithole said:

I assume she is saying that P was a multi-instrumentalist, dancer, singer and songwriter of ecclectic ability but that he spread himself a bit too thin or was too self taught (or not quite as super human as some claim) to be an absolute expert on any one skill or talent. Apparently, they are the experts in their particular fields or had specific sensibilities etc that he didn't have... but they presumably were not as ecclectic as he was. She is not necessarily saying anything unreasonable but I do wish the Revolution would talk more about what they think his best contributions were (rather than -- the "he's great but some of his ideas were rather basic at first" type statements which are unnecessary at this point and starting to get old. After all, George Martin didn't always say (as far as I know) "The Beatles were great but they couldn't have done Sergent Peppers without my orchestral arrangements.." And unlike the Revolution, he isn't included on the album cover title. Most people when they see titles like Bruce Springsteen and E street band or Heuy Lewis and the News assume that the band members contributed as well. )

BTW, what does Bobby Z have that Prince didn't have? Am I missing something? And don't get me started on the clickbait of a title to that article. It almost sounds like the writer is stating that The Revolution completely did Prince's Purple Rain for him and without him..

Bobby Z is a drummer, Prince couldn't play Purple Rain with guitar and drums at the same time. This isn't hard. Prince said Morris Day was a flashier drummer, and that could be a bad thing when they are into showing off more. He said he loved that Bobby Z was able to focus and follow him on all of his moves and breaks. He also said no one played Purple Rain like Bobby Z. That he played it like a slow love jam(or something like that) so it is about individuality and connection.

.

And they are not stating even closely that they did Purple Rain without him. Jezus this get's tired.

I don't care who plays Purple Rain whether it was someone from the camp or an unreleated artist. Prince Bobby Z Dr Fink Lisa Coleman BrownMark Wendy Melvoin David Coleman Novi Novog Suzi Katayama 'made' Purple Rain. From the Warehouse to the 1983 Danc Benefit show to the makeshift recording booth outside to the final touches at Sunset Sound and the assistance of engineers David Z and Susan Rogers. The magic happened.

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If Prince could have cloned himself he would have never had a band.

Being someone who was there with Prince since 49East I think having someone in your band that totally believes in you, and is dedicated to you (not using you to get a record deal or as a stepping stone) is a big thing. There is a familia connection that happens ie Prince also had David Z(Bobby Z's brother) working with him. Prince was friends with Bobby's wife. knew the kids etc

So that kind of connection makes a big difference.

Bobby Z was really sharp in learning the technical aspects of drumming when the electric drums triggers and linn drum programing came into the camp. Those sounds were key to Prince's music and it being a distinct sound.

.

There is an interview(I think video) where Bobby goes into detail about what he did and had to learn in those earlier years. It sheds a whole different behind the scenes light of what we were hearing and seeing.

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I love the 3121/Planet Earth period. I don't find drummer Cora particularly standout-ish. I could say 'what did she bring?' I could not tell you. And I think Bobby Z was a much better drummer and did very good job playing Prince music so it sounded like Prince music. And I prefer Bobby Z as a drummer over Michael Bland.

.

But back to the OP's confusion. They've spelled it out in too many interviews.

purplerabbithole said:

I don't mean to sound hard on Bobby but even your and Prince's very nice description of Bobby's talent, self discipline and humility doesn't suggest that he brought anything special to the table that PRince couldn't have done himself had he just been able to clone himself. Not over-drumming is something Prince was probably just as capable of.

As for the title, I referred to. I was not directing that disdain toward teh Revolution but instead toward the writer.

Slightly, unrelated question....Do you think there was magic in the superbowl performance of Purple Rain or was there something lacking because the rest of the original partiicipants weren't there. Is the Revolution now without PRince, Susan Rogers etc able to recreate the magic of Purple Rain? Or is the magic in both cases just unique and distinctive from the recording?

OldFriends4Sale said:

Bobby Z is a drummer, Prince couldn't play Purple Rain with guitar and drums at the same time. This isn't hard. Prince said Morris Day was a flashier drummer, and that could be a bad thing when they are into showing off more. He said he loved that Bobby Z was able to focus and follow him on all of his moves and breaks. He also said no one played Purple Rain like Bobby Z. That he played it like a slow love jam(or something like that) so it is about individuality and connection.

.

And they are not stating even closely that they did Purple Rain without him. Jezus this get's tired.

I don't care who plays Purple Rain whether it was someone from the camp or an unreleated artist. Prince Bobby Z Dr Fink Lisa Coleman BrownMark Wendy Melvoin David Coleman Novi Novog Suzi Katayama 'made' Purple Rain. From the Warehouse to the 1983 Danc Benefit show to the makeshift recording booth outside to the final touches at Sunset Sound and the assistance of engineers David Z and Susan Rogers. The magic happened.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Lovejunky said:

umm...

That makes absolutely ZERO sense....

Shes trying to take credit in the most insideous way....

grrrrrrrrr

come on Lovejunky

yeah yeah..I know...

Did you read the comments section in that article. People on this site aren't the only ones arguing about the vibe these Revolution articles give off sometimes (probably not intentionally) . One guy defending the article stated that the Revolution's statement doesn't take anything away from Prince because Prince set up the conditions so that he and his bandmates could create and write the songs together. This description is fine for songs like PUrple Rain (although what falls under 'write' as opposed to "arrange"?,) but is it accurate for all his songs? I am actually getting tired of hearing only about PR (and it collaborative creation) but not about the Beautiful ONes, Darling Nikki and When Doves Cry. It is nOt necessarily the Revolution's fault (after all, PR is what they are probably being asked about). But, even with all his hype, Prince is still underrated about certain things.. Maybe if the Revolution could see the ways in which he is occasionally underrated, they would make a point to describe what they loved about those solo efforts I listed. (they did a great job in liner notes of PR deluxe.) I know they have in the past, but newer fans or less ardent fans haven't read every interview in the last 30 years.

Recently, I was reading about SXSW 2013 and P's performance.. One of the reviewers stated that Prince did a cover of Tevin Campbell's "SHHH"..and needless to say it definitely annoyed me (how do you do a cover of a song you wrote?). So I looked into the recordings of both versions. It turns out even the arrangment and playing on Campbell's earlier released version were P and the NPG's. So I listened to Campbell version on youtube and read the comments. Some of the commenters didn't know he wrote the song, most of them did,but the commenters also didn't know that Campbell's version (with the exception of vocals) was P and NPG's version as well.. The commenters were divided on which version was better..(some of the posters preferred Prince's raw sexual version, some preferred Tevin's more more romantic and sensual version and stated that he brought it to a new level..). LOL> Can you believe I spent 45 minutes reading about his crap yesterday. Pathetic, I know.

OldFriends4Sale said:

If Prince could have cloned himself he would have never had a band.

Being someone who was there with Prince since 49East I think having someone in your band that totally believes in you, and is dedicated to you (not using you to get a record deal or as a stepping stone) is a big thing. There is a familia connection that happens ie Prince also had David Z(Bobby Z's brother) working with him. Prince was friends with Bobby's wife. knew the kids etc

So that kind of connection makes a big difference.

Bobby Z was really sharp in learning the technical aspects of drumming when the electric drums triggers and linn drum programing came into the camp. Those sounds were key to Prince's music and it being a distinct sound.

.

There is an interview(I think video) where Bobby goes into detail about what he did and had to learn in those earlier years. It sheds a whole different behind the scenes light of what we were hearing and seeing.

.

But back to the OP's confusion. They've spelled it out in too many interviews.

purplerabbithole said:

I don't mean to sound hard on Bobby but even your and Prince's very nice description of Bobby's talent, self discipline and humility doesn't suggest that he brought anything special to the table that PRince couldn't have done himself had he just been able to clone himself. Not over-drumming is something Prince was probably just as capable of.

As for the title, I referred to. I was not directing that disdain toward teh Revolution but instead toward the writer.

Slightly, unrelated question....Do you think there was magic in the superbowl performance of Purple Rain or was there something lacking because the rest of the original partiicipants weren't there. Is the Revolution now without PRince, Susan Rogers etc able to recreate the magic of Purple Rain? Or is the magic in both cases just unique and distinctive from the recording?

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Purplerabbithole, no I didn't. It is the same ole BS. People either love em or they don't. Like em or maybe not. Why would I pay attention to it. These are many of the same people who think he was murdered or still alive and there is some conspiracy. Some of the same people who are stuck in the same place of grief that they were April 21 2016, some of the same people who think everyone(but their favorites) are 'Cashing In' or 'Milking Prince...' And some of those same bitchers are the same ones here bitching.

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It has been stated over and over and over again. That there are songs Prince did by himself, songs Prince did with the full band, songs Prince did with a few or 1 musician singer, songs he did by himself then added people etc

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Again I just don't think, with all that is going on in their lives that being so detailed to cover everything everyone thinks they should say or not is able to happen. Remember, they are not sitting at the house reading every article out their and commenting on them like we do.

Maybe when they see how things go now that this celebration period of shows is done, they might be able to sit back and take it all in and remember and think about stuff.

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When Prince was alive. Should he have reiterated everthing that newer fans missed? The answer is no. They should find he interviews if it is needed. Think about all the information from the past that is not captured in the modern ages. Stuff that was done in the 80s early 90s. Album reviews or interviews just because of the times.

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LOL not pathetic. What you did is what everyone should do.
I mean with some people they might not even relate Prince & Tevin Campbell (I think he went on to record with Motown) or Mavis Staple or so many other people that they just wouldn't know to equate with working with Prince. I remember back in 87 I believe. Sheila E was on a night show in her black 1 legged outtfit knee high boots or it was from the Romance 1600 period. Well she did some James Brown slides in heels and was talking about the people outside of Prince camp that were copying the style and such. And I remember talking about this with some people who did not even know she was Prince's protege. And they said something stupid about her copying Prince.

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I know after 1990 the who protege scene was kinda done and over, and there were a lot of people coming and going. That I would not know to relate to Prince. So at least you did your homework on that song. That was from the Graffiti Bridge period that I tend to block out.

purplerabbithole said:

Did you read the comments section in that article. People on this site aren't the only ones arguing about the vibe these Revolution articles give off sometimes (probably not intentionally) . One guy defending the article stated that the Revolution's statement doesn't take anything away from Prince because Prince set up the conditions so that he and his bandmates could create and write the songs together. This description is fine for songs like PUrple Rain (although what falls under 'write' as opposed to "arrange"?,) but is it accurate for all his songs? I am actually getting tired of hearing only about PR (and it collaborative creation) but not about the Beautiful ONes, Darling Nikki and When Doves Cry. It is nOt necessarily the Revolution's fault (after all, PR is what they are probably being asked about). But, even with all his hype, Prince is still underrated about certain things.. Maybe if the Revolution could see the ways in which he is occasionally underrated, they would make a point to describe what they loved about those solo efforts I listed. (they did a great job in liner notes of PR deluxe.) I know they have in the past, but newer fans or less ardent fans haven't read every interview in the last 30 years.

Recently, I was reading about SXSW 2013 and P's performance.. One of the reviewers stated that Prince did a cover of Tevin Campbell's "SHHH"..and needless to say it definitely annoyed me (how do you do a cover of a song you wrote?). So I looked into the recordings of both versions. It turns out even the arrangment and playing on Campbell's earlier released version were P and the NPG's. So I listened to Campbell version on youtube and read the comments. Some of the commenters didn't know he wrote the song, most of them did,but the commenters also didn't know that Campbell's version (with the exception of vocals) was P and NPG's version as well.. The commenters were divided on which version was better..(some of the posters preferred Prince's raw sexual version, some preferred Tevin's more more romantic and sensual version and stated that he brought it to a new level..). LOL> Can you believe I spent 45 minutes reading about his crap yesterday. Pathetic, I know.

OldFriends4Sale said:

If Prince could have cloned himself he would have never had a band.

Being someone who was there with Prince since 49East I think having someone in your band that totally believes in you, and is dedicated to you (not using you to get a record deal or as a stepping stone) is a big thing. There is a familia connection that happens ie Prince also had David Z(Bobby Z's brother) working with him. Prince was friends with Bobby's wife. knew the kids etc

So that kind of connection makes a big difference.

Bobby Z was really sharp in learning the technical aspects of drumming when the electric drums triggers and linn drum programing came into the camp. Those sounds were key to Prince's music and it being a distinct sound.

.

There is an interview(I think video) where Bobby goes into detail about what he did and had to learn in those earlier years. It sheds a whole different behind the scenes light of what we were hearing and seeing.

.

But back to the OP's confusion. They've spelled it out in too many interviews.

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I think I did a good job of answer your question about Z

purplerabbithole said:

Did you read the comments section in that article. People on this site aren't the only ones arguing about the vibe these Revolution articles give off sometimes (probably not intentionally) . One guy defending the article stated that the Revolution's statement doesn't take anything away from Prince because Prince set up the conditions so that he and his bandmates could create and write the songs together. This description is fine for songs like PUrple Rain (although what falls under 'write' as opposed to "arrange"?,) but is it accurate for all his songs? I am actually getting tired of hearing only about PR (and it collaborative creation) but not about the Beautiful ONes, Darling Nikki and When Doves Cry. It is nOt necessarily the Revolution's fault (after all, PR is what they are probably being asked about). But, even with all his hype, Prince is still underrated about certain things.. Maybe if the Revolution could see the ways in which he is occasionally underrated, they would make a point to describe what they loved about those solo efforts I listed. (they did a great job in liner notes of PR deluxe.) I know they have in the past, but newer fans or less ardent fans haven't read every interview in the last 30 years.

Recently, I was reading about SXSW 2013 and P's performance.. One of the reviewers stated that Prince did a cover of Tevin Campbell's "SHHH"..and needless to say it definitely annoyed me (how do you do a cover of a song you wrote?). So I looked into the recordings of both versions. It turns out even the arrangment and playing on Campbell's earlier released version were P and the NPG's. So I listened to Campbell version on youtube and read the comments. Some of the commenters didn't know he wrote the song, most of them did,but the commenters also didn't know that Campbell's version (with the exception of vocals) was P and NPG's version as well.. The commenters were divided on which version was better..(some of the posters preferred Prince's raw sexual version, some preferred Tevin's more more romantic and sensual version and stated that he brought it to a new level..). LOL> Can you believe I spent 45 minutes reading about his crap yesterday. Pathetic, I know.

OldFriends4Sale said:

If Prince could have cloned himself he would have never had a band.

Being someone who was there with Prince since 49East I think having someone in your band that totally believes in you, and is dedicated to you (not using you to get a record deal or as a stepping stone) is a big thing. There is a familia connection that happens ie Prince also had David Z(Bobby Z's brother) working with him. Prince was friends with Bobby's wife. knew the kids etc

So that kind of connection makes a big difference.

Bobby Z was really sharp in learning the technical aspects of drumming when the electric drums triggers and linn drum programing came into the camp. Those sounds were key to Prince's music and it being a distinct sound.

.

There is an interview(I think video) where Bobby goes into detail about what he did and had to learn in those earlier years. It sheds a whole different behind the scenes light of what we were hearing and seeing.

.

But back to the OP's confusion. They've spelled it out in too many interviews.

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GaryMF said:

Lovejunky said:

umm...

That makes absolutely ZERO sense....

Shes trying to take credit in the most insideous way....

grrrrrrrrr

Get over it. She's being very respectful.

.

It sounds contradictory, but what she means is that Prince was an amazing artist before and after the Revolution and was always destined to fame....

.

.

but that even someone with all his talents wanted to add to his palette by including other musicians who could contribute and make his music have some more qualities it wouldn't have had otherwise.

No she is being ridiculous and we have been seeing these types of comments for several months. They know exactly what they are doing and they are not above being called on it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

If Prince could have cloned himself he would have never had a band.

Being someone who was there with Prince since 49East I think having someone in your band that totally believes in you, and is dedicated to you (not using you to get a record deal or as a stepping stone) is a big thing. There is a familia connection that happens ie Prince also had David Z(Bobby Z's brother) working with him. Prince was friends with Bobby's wife. knew the kids etc

So that kind of connection makes a big difference.

Bobby Z was really sharp in learning the technical aspects of drumming when the electric drums triggers and linn drum programing came into the camp. Those sounds were key to Prince's music and it being a distinct sound.

.

There is an interview(I think video) where Bobby goes into detail about what he did and had to learn in those earlier years. It sheds a whole different behind the scenes light of what we were hearing and seeing.

.

I love the 3121/Planet Earth period. I don't find drummer Cora particularly standout-ish. I could say 'what did she bring?' I could not tell you. And I think Bobby Z was a much better drummer and did very good job playing Prince music so it sounded like Prince music. And I prefer Bobby Z as a drummer over Michael Bland.

.

But back to the OP's confusion. They've spelled it out in too many interviews.

purplerabbithole said:

I don't mean to sound hard on Bobby but even your and Prince's very nice description of Bobby's talent, self discipline and humility doesn't suggest that he brought anything special to the table that PRince couldn't have done himself had he just been able to clone himself. Not over-drumming is something Prince was probably just as capable of.

As for the title, I referred to. I was not directing that disdain toward teh Revolution but instead toward the writer.

Slightly, unrelated question....Do you think there was magic in the superbowl performance of Purple Rain or was there something lacking because the rest of the original partiicipants weren't there. Is the Revolution now without PRince, Susan Rogers etc able to recreate the magic of Purple Rain? Or is the magic in both cases just unique and distinctive from the recording?

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Well if you think Bobby z is better drummer than Mike Bland then we know you are just a stan for the Revolution no matter the facts. Some of us know better. Even Morris Day said he was a better drummer than Bob

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laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

If Prince could have cloned himself he would have never had a band.

Being someone who was there with Prince since 49East I think having someone in your band that totally believes in you, and is dedicated to you (not using you to get a record deal or as a stepping stone) is a big thing. There is a familia connection that happens ie Prince also had David Z(Bobby Z's brother) working with him. Prince was friends with Bobby's wife. knew the kids etc

So that kind of connection makes a big difference.

Bobby Z was really sharp in learning the technical aspects of drumming when the electric drums triggers and linn drum programing came into the camp. Those sounds were key to Prince's music and it being a distinct sound.

.

There is an interview(I think video) where Bobby goes into detail about what he did and had to learn in those earlier years. It sheds a whole different behind the scenes light of what we were hearing and seeing.

.

I love the 3121/Planet Earth period. I don't find drummer Cora particularly standout-ish. I could say 'what did she bring?' I could not tell you. And I think Bobby Z was a much better drummer and did very good job playing Prince music so it sounded like Prince music. And I prefer Bobby Z as a drummer over Michael Bland.

.

But back to the OP's confusion. They've spelled it out in too many interviews.

Well if you think Bobby z is better drummer than Mike Bland then we know you are just a stan for the Revolution no matter the facts. Some of us know better. Even Morris Day said he was a better drummer than Bob

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No, I think Z brought more to the table. I don't care for Blands style. I didn't say he wasn't a good drummer. Kirk is another story. I love Blackwell, I enjoy the 3121-Planet Earth period and had no qualms with Corra, but she didn't actually do anything specific. I talk about Sheila E way more than Bobby Z.

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And I don't 'stan' for anyone. We already looked at what that word means and why. We have to use it correctly for it to mean something.

laurarichardson said:

GaryMF said:

Get over it. She's being very respectful.

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It sounds contradictory, but what she means is that Prince was an amazing artist before and after the Revolution and was always destined to fame....

.

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but that even someone with all his talents wanted to add to his palette by including other musicians who could contribute and make his music have some more qualities it wouldn't have had otherwise.

No she is being ridiculous and we have been seeing these types of comments for several months. They know exactly what they are doing and they are not above being called on it.

They have explained in other interviews what she is saying. It is nothing far fetched.

When Prince in 1998 said Lisa had a way of playing that was beautiful and compared her to a famous pianist, and that he could sing off her playing with straight soul. That is what she brought. I don't think this is that hard to comprehend.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

No she is being ridiculous and we have been seeing these types of comments for several months. They know exactly what they are doing and they are not above being called on it.

They have explained in other interviews what she is saying. It is nothing far fetched.

When Prince in 1998 said Lisa had a way of playing that was beautiful and compared her to a famous pianist, and that he could sing off her playing with straight soul. That is what she brought. I don't think this is that hard to comprehend.

No one is saying they contributed nothing. They are just overstating their contributions and they certainly cannot stop talking about themselves. I can give W&L a little bit of slack as they have actually worked over the last 30 years but Matt and Mark need to shut up.

Bob seems to be the only one in touch with reality and I bet he knows he was not on the same planet as Morris, Sheila E, Mike Bland or John Blackwell.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

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No, I think Z brought more to the table. I don't care for Blands style. I didn't say he wasn't a good drummer. Kirk is another story. I love Blackwell, I enjoy the 3121-Planet Earth period and had no qualms with Corra, but she didn't actually do anything specific. I talk about Sheila E way more than Bobby Z.

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And I don't 'stan' for anyone. We already looked at what that word means and why. We have to use it correctly for it to mean something.

Stan means what it means and I am using it correctly. You got Mayte and Revolution fans that are going off the deep end.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No, I think Z brought more to the table. I don't care for Blands style. I didn't say he wasn't a good drummer. Kirk is another story. I love Blackwell, I enjoy the 3121-Planet Earth period and had no qualms with Corra, but she didn't actually do anything specific. I talk about Sheila E way more than Bobby Z.

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And I don't 'stan' for anyone. We already looked at what that word means and why. We have to use it correctly for it to mean something.

Stan means what it means and I am using it correctly. You got Mayte and Revolution fans that are going off the deep end.

No, you are not using it correctly.

I don't go off the deep end. I don't go deep like you and others.

A fan is a fan a stan is something different.

I'm a huge fan of everyone from 1978-1988 and the period, and I've been consistent with that.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

They have explained in other interviews what she is saying. It is nothing far fetched.

When Prince in 1998 said Lisa had a way of playing that was beautiful and compared her to a famous pianist, and that he could sing off her playing with straight soul. That is what she brought. I don't think this is that hard to comprehend.

No one is saying they contributed nothing. They are just overstating their contributions and they certainly cannot stop talking about themselves. I can give W&L a little bit of slack as they have actually worked over the last 30 years but Matt and Mark need to shut up.

Bob seems to be the only one in touch with reality and I bet he knows he was not on the same planet as Morris, Sheila E, Mike Bland or John Blackwell.

Are you even following what this thread is about or did you just come to argue?

The OP posted something, that was in no way an overstatement of what Lisa said.
What is the opposite of a Stanner? the person that extremely exaggerates things about people they don't like?

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

Stan means what it means and I am using it correctly. You got Mayte and Revolution fans that are going off the deep end.

No, you are not using it correctly.

I don't go off the deep end. I don't go deep like you and others.

A fan is a fan a stan is something different.

I'm a huge fan of everyone from 1978-1988 and the period, and I've been consistent with that.

Some people on this make ridculous claims about Prince associates therefore, they are stans.

I do not think Prince was Mozart or Beethovan but I know these chicks would be playing music at a corner cofffee house if Prince had not come along and no one would know them from Adam.

I know Mark Brown was trying to get a job via his Facebook just over a year ago.

I know Matt Fink was traveling the country playing with a Prince look a like and Bobby well he was not doing anything at all.

These are facts.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No, you are not using it correctly.

I don't go off the deep end. I don't go deep like you and others.

A fan is a fan a stan is something different.

I'm a huge fan of everyone from 1978-1988 and the period, and I've been consistent with that.

Stan

Based on the central character in the Eminem song of the same name, a "stan" is an overzealous maniacal fan for any celebrity or athlete.

A Typical Kobe Bryant Stan would say something like.
"Kobe Bryant scored 81 points last night. Kobe could beat God himself in a game of 1 on 1 hoops. To hell with Michael Jordan or Wilt Chamberlain, they arent on Kobe's level!"

Some people on this make ridculous claims about Prince associates therefore, they are stans.

I do not think Prince was Mozart or Beethovan but I know these chicks would be playing music at a corner cofffee house if Prince had not come along and no one would know them from Adam.

I know Mark Brown was trying to get a job via his Facebook just over a year ago.

I know Matt Fink was traveling the country playing with a Prince look a like and Bobby well he was not doing anything at all.

These are facts.

Right, so you are using it wrong.
People around here throw that word out as soon as someone likes or speaks positively about someone, they(you) don't like. That is not a Stan.

I've never met any of these people, I don't go running to try to meet any of them, including Prince.

Ridiculous claims about Prince or Prince associates without ever backing anything up and going overboard to the point of attack other people or 'stalking' the people they admire is one thing.
You cannot call someone a "STAN" which is not even an official word, just because they like someone you don't or someone you have a problem with.

throw out that made up term STAN whenever someone says you don't like (and you seem to be against everyone from 1978-2017) is a strawman

use of STAN is a STRAWMAN

How is this statement not understood?

"Every one of us had something he didn’t have, even though he had it all."

http://www.twincities.com/2017/07/18/how-the-revolution-goes-on-without-prince-and-why/amp/

Rivkin: “Nobody lived like him. Nobody had that talent, nobody had that panache. He really was one of a kind. Watch the Syracuse ’85 concert video (recently reissued as part of the deluxe version of ‘Purple Rain’). When you watch him, you realize he’s probably the greatest entertainer of all time. Nobody had the songs, the dances, the moves, the look. And if Prince is gone, wow, this really is a temporary place. He sang about this and he wrote about this. It was all about life and death for him.”

Coleman: “He sang about really personal things and took a lot of chances with how he looked, what he was saying and how he performed. He was really courageous. Think about things we hold very close. Our personal identities, our religious and sexual and racial identities. He was putting it all out there in a big, strong way, like whoever you are, whatever you are, it’s all good. He made risk-taking cool and made your dark side something to proud of. People really connected to all of that.”